On May 23 2012 08:35 Antisocialmunky wrote: Well Flash tried to out macro larva inject. One does not simply out macro larva inject.
Bomber and MVP do.
Flash just transitioned to tank/thor way too late and only had 1 bunker instead of 3.
MVP and Bomber are pretty weak examples of players being able to outmacroing Zerg.
MVP doesn't now, and he never could. He uses aggressive timings now like MC in most of his games these days anyways. MVP used to harass like a madman while macroing up a ghost + mech deathball, but ghosts got nerfed and the strategy isn't viable anymore. MVP isn't a very good at macro as far as the top tier pros go. People like aLive make his macro look like trash. Using similar builds against gumiho in the same day, MVP showed his 3 base meching was a whole lot slower than aLive's. MVP doesn't have the capacity to macro like other top tier Terrans like MKP.
Bomber isn't exactly top tier now, and he dropped sets to idra in macro games when he was. He was best when no Zerg knew how to react properly (by react properly I mean completely shit on, they were holding fine) to his 3 base into marine/tank pushes. Now, he probably wouldn't be able to outmacro any Zerg because queens got buffed enough for people to pull fast thirds off against his old build.
I've seen MKP outmacro a couple Zergs. Taeja did beat idra in that showmatch series, but idra didn't look too hot for that. It's generally incredibly rare to see a Terran straight up outmacro a Zerg without dealing significant damage.
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen such rubbish. Even the garbage on the previous pages about Kal having the best phoenix control in sc2 history is better than this.
Does someone know the name of the Firebathero theme song? The name during the games was written in Korean? I would really apreciate if someone could help me.
On May 23 2012 08:35 Antisocialmunky wrote: Well Flash tried to out macro larva inject. One does not simply out macro larva inject.
Bomber and MVP do.
Flash just transitioned to tank/thor way too late and only had 1 bunker instead of 3.
MVP and Bomber are pretty weak examples of players being able to outmacroing Zerg.
MVP doesn't now, and he never could. He uses aggressive timings now like MC in most of his games these days anyways. MVP used to harass like a madman while macroing up a ghost + mech deathball, but ghosts got nerfed and the strategy isn't viable anymore. MVP isn't a very good at macro as far as the top tier pros go. People like aLive make his macro look like trash. Using similar builds against gumiho in the same day, MVP showed his 3 base meching was a whole lot slower than aLive's. MVP doesn't have the capacity to macro like other top tier Terrans like MKP.
Bomber isn't exactly top tier now, and he dropped sets to idra in macro games when he was. He was best when no Zerg knew how to react properly (by react properly I mean completely shit on, they were holding fine) to his 3 base into marine/tank pushes. Now, he probably wouldn't be able to outmacro any Zerg because queens got buffed enough for people to pull fast thirds off against his old build.
I've seen MKP outmacro a couple Zergs. Taeja did beat idra in that showmatch series, but idra didn't look too hot for that. It's generally incredibly rare to see a Terran straight up outmacro a Zerg without dealing significant damage.
I have to say, I liked Motives play a lot at the opening day of SPL. The way he defended those drops with feedbacks was really awesome. He also was chosen as the ace player. Really looking forward to see more of him. Btw, this transition is also the opportunity for many new names to shine and step out of the shadows of their more famous teammates. I am curious who will make a slpash at sc2.
On May 23 2012 08:35 Antisocialmunky wrote: Well Flash tried to out macro larva inject. One does not simply out macro larva inject.
Bomber and MVP do.
Flash just transitioned to tank/thor way too late and only had 1 bunker instead of 3.
MVP and Bomber are pretty weak examples of players being able to outmacroing Zerg.
MVP doesn't now, and he never could. He uses aggressive timings now like MC in most of his games these days anyways. MVP used to harass like a madman while macroing up a ghost + mech deathball, but ghosts got nerfed and the strategy isn't viable anymore. MVP isn't a very good at macro as far as the top tier pros go. People like aLive make his macro look like trash. Using similar builds against gumiho in the same day, MVP showed his 3 base meching was a whole lot slower than aLive's. MVP doesn't have the capacity to macro like other top tier Terrans like MKP.
Bomber isn't exactly top tier now, and he dropped sets to idra in macro games when he was. He was best when no Zerg knew how to react properly (by react properly I mean completely shit on, they were holding fine) to his 3 base into marine/tank pushes. Now, he probably wouldn't be able to outmacro any Zerg because queens got buffed enough for people to pull fast thirds off against his old build.
I've seen MKP outmacro a couple Zergs. Taeja did beat idra in that showmatch series, but idra didn't look too hot for that. It's generally incredibly rare to see a Terran straight up outmacro a Zerg without dealing significant damage.
This is just complete bullshit... You obviously haven't watched much GSL. MVP and Bomber were the two macro Terrans in Code S when everybody other Terran was emphasizing fancy micro and multitasking over just making more stuff. Go look up some of MVP's games of 2011 and tell me he again that he could never macro as well as other Terrans. Learn GSL history before spouting bullshit. Saying that Alive and MKP have better macro that MVP is just fanboyism to whole other level. And MKP doesn't "outmacro" Zergs. If you bothered to watch replays, you'll see that because of his micro he trades very efficiently with his opponents and keeps supplies even that way.
On May 23 2012 22:13 Eee wrote: Does someone know the name of the Firebathero theme song? The name during the games was written in Korean? I would really apreciate if someone could help me.
On May 22 2012 16:12 Goldfish wrote: Q: For your next games, you have to play BW and not SC2. How are your BW skills? A: I was a BW progamer so I know how to play. I have enough confidence in my BW skills as well.
On May 22 2012 16:12 Goldfish wrote: Q: For your next games, you have to play BW and not SC2. How are your BW skills? A: I was a BW progamer so I know how to play. I have enough confidence in my BW skills as well.
If he says it, it must be true!
lol key word in this is supposed to be "was" :D
A question to all the BW players. Didn't Motiv have to make Courage to get a pro license? How could he have made it through?
On May 24 2012 05:41 Canucklehead wrote: Wait, did someone just say MVP can't macro? Ahahahahah. MVP was the best macro terran in the world during his dominance last year.
Whilst it's true Mvp has great macro, it's also true that there are Terrans with better macro. They lack Mvp's unpredictability, multitasking, decision making and game sense though and it's the combination of those traits that make Mvp the best SC2 player.
On May 22 2012 16:12 Goldfish wrote: Q: For your next games, you have to play BW and not SC2. How are your BW skills? A: I was a BW progamer so I know how to play. I have enough confidence in my BW skills as well.
If he says it, it must be true!
lol key word in this is supposed to be "was" :D
A question to all the BW players. Didn't Motiv have to make Courage to get a pro license? How could he have made it through?
He probably made it through about a year ago, and starting playing purely SC2 like 6+ months ago.
On May 24 2012 02:12 Pokebunny wrote: Does anyone know what the matchups will be for this weekend's matches? They're not on the calendar.
From Liquidpedia:
May 26th, 2012 Air Force ACE vs STX SouL
May 27th, 2012 CJ Entus vs SKT T1 KT Rolster vs Team 8
May 28th, 2012 STX Soul vs Samsung Khan
May 29th, 2012 SKT T1 vs Woongjin Stars
Interesting, two matches on Sunday?
Last SPL there used to be two matches on Sat and Sun each starting around lunchtime KR, then one match evenings KR Tue and Wed.
They seem to be using the same schedule but sticking to it as much as possible, but OGN has a lot of other (like LoL) events which clash, and Hybrid PL is taking a back seat to some of them.
EPT
