[SPL] Air Force ACE vs. KT Rolster - Page 76

On May 22 2012 18:53 sc2superfan101 wrote:

no one that i have seen, even this lizzy guy, have shown me code-s or even high level code-a play. the fact is that they have really good mechanics and overall RTS skill, but do not know the specific rythms of the game because they haven't practiced it enough or with the highest level of competition. as of now, throwing them into a showmatch or something with someone like MVP or DRG or Squirtle would be like throwing lambs at ravenous wolves. ravenous wolves whose livelihood depends somewhat upon them staying better than all of the incoming players.

now, it would be great for the scene if in about six months we could be seeing some legitimate GSL vs. Kespa showmatches or what have you. Flash vs. DRG would be sick as hell to think about. Flash v. DRG right now would be sick in a different way to think about. the only way for these guys to catch up is to take some hits and lose hard now. they need to be playing with and against at least some decent SC2 players. the unfortunate side of the format they've chosen is that some of those SC2 players will have to play BW too. lopsided games might not be your cup of tea, but at least on the SC2 front it's actually kind of important to prepare these guys for the current pro scene. obviously it would be bad if these teams suddenly started hiring whole slews of SC2 guys and dropped their BW pros but i highly doubt that is what they want. i think its kind of a "trial by fire/learn the hard way" kind of thing.

On May 22 2012 07:53 Fionn wrote:
Flash and Hoejja win in BW. Use Motive as a pawn so he can play next series SC2 sets.

If it goes to ace, Motive comes out again to win.

ACE looked like they had 100% given up on BW to focus solely on SC2, so if Flash + Friend can take care of BW, then Motive/Lizzy can clean whoever ACE has in the ace.

On May 23 2012 07:50 OptimusYale wrote:
Why is it that what ever team I support in a league does shit.

I support EG...they've put some shit results out
I started to support KT and they lose -.-
and my football team are relegated to the championship....fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

On May 23 2012 02:51 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
All those who were good in BW seem to be relatively bad in SC2. Stats lost today.. both KT aces lose in SC2.

On May 23 2012 08:35 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Well Flash tried to out macro larva inject. One does not simply out macro larva inject.

On May 23 2012 09:03 oOOoOphidian wrote:

Bomber and MVP do.

Flash just transitioned to tank/thor way too late and only had 1 bunker instead of 3.

On May 23 2012 09:36 boxturtle wrote:


I've seen MKP outmacro a couple Zergs. Taeja did beat idra in that showmatch series, but idra didn't look too hot for that. It's generally incredibly rare to see a Terran straight up outmacro a Zerg without dealing significant damage.

On May 23 2012 09:36 boxturtle wrote:


MVP and Bomber are pretty weak examples of players being able to outmacroing Zerg.

MVP doesn't now, and he never could. He uses aggressive timings now like MC in most of his games these days anyways. MVP used to harass like a madman while macroing up a ghost + mech deathball, but ghosts got nerfed and the strategy isn't viable anymore. MVP isn't a very good at macro as far as the top tier pros go. People like aLive make his macro look like trash. Using similar builds against gumiho in the same day, MVP showed his 3 base meching was a whole lot slower than aLive's. MVP doesn't have the capacity to macro like other top tier Terrans like MKP.

Bomber isn't exactly top tier now, and he dropped sets to idra in macro games when he was. He was best when no Zerg knew how to react properly (by react properly I mean completely shit on, they were holding fine) to his 3 base into marine/tank pushes. Now, he probably wouldn't be able to outmacro any Zerg because queens got buffed enough for people to pull fast thirds off against his old build.

I've seen MKP outmacro a couple Zergs. Taeja did beat idra in that showmatch series, but idra didn't look too hot for that. It's generally incredibly rare to see a Terran straight up outmacro a Zerg without dealing significant damage.

On May 23 2012 08:32 Dfgj wrote:

Flash lost to fucking Effort, who some may remember is an OSL champion who defeated flash to win it. Stats down to Kal isn't insane either.

These aren't unheard-of upsets in BW either.

On May 23 2012 03:37 lorkac wrote:


Right now I'm imagining OSL winner vs GSL winner for ePeen pride and moneyz.

On May 23 2012 17:22 Dakure wrote:

It'd be pretty cool to have a showmatch that has a Bo7 BW and Bo7 SC2 part. I wonder which group would do better. That is, would BW Pros win more convincingly in BW than SC2 Pros in SC2?