EPT[SPL] Air Force ACE vs. KT Rolster - Page 74
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 22 2012 18:36 Caihead wrote: But they aren't bronze leaguers, they are BW progamers with professional help from their existing coaching staff. It's just about having a level playing field. If Kespa said "all Kespa teams must now recruit SC2 team coaches and players to maximize their starcraft 2 progress, and we will remove the "players must play alternating games" restriction, and SC2 results and independent of BW results" then it would be fine. Everybody is comparing SC2 current pros to BW pros because they want to, but until those groups play each other it's not relevant. What is relevant now is BW pros playing each other in SC2 and BW. Injecting SC2 pros into it just makes the competition unfair. When BW players go full SC2 ofcourse they want SC2 teammates, SC2 coaches and SC2 competitive scene to train in, as of now it makes the games ridiculous (see lizzy). In a format like this you are either going to see A) A drop in BW skill level as pros practice SC2 more because that is where the future is or B) Ringers to help win SC2 because the top BW pros have been splitting their time between the two games. Don't blame the teams or the game. Blame the format. It is putting emphasis on the new game while keeping a pointless game around for the fans. Yes, sorry to say, BW is pointless in this format. Every team could cease all BW practice and focus on SC2 simply because the Ace Match is SC2. And that is why you are getting ringers. The teams want to win, and SC2 is the only way to win it all. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 22 2012 18:40 Caihead wrote: Moletrap will soon cast this in english, not sure what OGN's policy will be then tho. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On May 22 2012 18:36 Caihead wrote: What is relevant now is BW pros playing each other in SC2 and BW. Injecting SC2 pros into it just makes the competition unfair. When BW players go full SC2 ofcourse they want SC2 teammates, SC2 coaches and SC2 competitive scene to train in, as of now it makes the games ridiculous (see lizzy). no one that i have seen, even this lizzy guy, have shown me code-s or even high level code-a play. the fact is that they have really good mechanics and overall RTS skill, but do not know the specific rythms of the game because they haven't practiced it enough or with the highest level of competition. as of now, throwing them into a showmatch or something with someone like MVP or DRG or Squirtle would be like throwing lambs at ravenous wolves. ravenous wolves whose livelihood depends somewhat upon them staying better than all of the incoming players. now, it would be great for the scene if in about six months we could be seeing some legitimate GSL vs. Kespa showmatches or what have you. Flash vs. DRG would be sick as hell to think about. Flash v. DRG right now would be sick in a different way to think about. the only way for these guys to catch up is to take some hits and lose hard now. they need to be playing with and against at least some decent SC2 players. the unfortunate side of the format they've chosen is that some of those SC2 players will have to play BW too. lopsided games might not be your cup of tea, but at least on the SC2 front it's actually kind of important to prepare these guys for the current pro scene. obviously it would be bad if these teams suddenly started hiring whole slews of SC2 guys and dropped their BW pros but i highly doubt that is what they want. i think its kind of a "trial by fire/learn the hard way" kind of thing. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On May 22 2012 18:53 MrCon wrote: Moletrap will soon cast this in english, not sure what OGN's policy will be then tho. I'd personally prefer it the way it is right now as long as restreams and free VOD's are allowed. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 22 2012 18:17 letian wrote:  God, I hate new "ratings" section so much, I can't even express it)) Where is the old "Yes" "No" ??? It is much easier to judge out the value of the game since it has 3 parameters and not 5, where you also have to count stars! On May 22 2012 18:22 BLinD-RawR wrote: there are nicer ways of telling the OP that. On May 22 2012 18:36 Sawamura wrote: But he is right .. I want my yes,no,maybe if you have time .. I'm happy to do whatever, I'm not particularly attached to the stars, but that's how I started LR'ing Poll: Stars or yes/no/if you have time? Y/N for both (89) Stars for both BW/SC2 (43) I don't mind that much (13) Stars for SC2, Y/N for BW (10) Stars for BW, Y/N for SC2 (1) 156 total votes Your vote: Stars or yes/no/if you have time? (Vote): Stars for both BW/SC2 | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 22 2012 18:57 CruelZeratul wrote: I'd personally prefer it the way it is right now as long as restreams and free VOD's are allowed. I like it like that too :-) | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Like is anyone going to differentiate between 1 and 2 stars? Neither would be worth watching if they were rated that way honestly. Also it dilutes the negative vote for that particular game. It's much clearer and more definitive it's a bad game if there were just 100 votes for 'no' rather than 50 for 1 star and 50 for 2. Not a big deal of course, I never watch vods anyway unless it's something I want to watch again after seeing live!  | ||
ydeer1993
United Kingdom569 Posts
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On May 22 2012 19:06 Full.tilt wrote: Yes/no for both, no idea why people started using stars. Most people aren't good at reviewing games so the stars rating is pointless. As well as people's opinions on what makes a good game is so varied, a yes/no is much simpler. Like is anyone going to differentiate between 1 and 2 stars? Neither would be worth watching if they were rated that way honestly. Also it dilutes the negative vote for that particular game. It's much clearer and more definitive it's a bad game if there were just 100 votes for 'no' rather than 50 for 1 star and 50 for 2. Not a big deal of course, I never watch vods anyway unless it's something I want to watch again after seeing live! I seem to remember some GSL thread where somebody wanted Seeker to basically use the 5-star system to make recs more continuous and give an idea of just how good or bad a given game is, and Seeker did so because he's a | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50632 Posts
On May 22 2012 19:14 ydeer1993 wrote: any BW players impress on SC2 Today? Goojila vs Stats was an interesting PvP. | ||
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bubl100500
Ukraine538 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On May 22 2012 19:01 opterown wrote: I'm happy to do whatever, I'm not particularly attached to the stars, but that's how I started LR'ing Poll: Stars or yes/no/if you have time? Y/N for both (89) Stars for both BW/SC2 (43) I don't mind that much (13) Stars for SC2, Y/N for BW (10) Stars for BW, Y/N for SC2 (1) 156 total votes Your vote: Stars or yes/no/if you have time? (Vote): Stars for both BW/SC2 yes, no & if you have time thats how it goes  | ||
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 22 2012 20:20 torm3ntin wrote: wow. What hapenned in here? O.o. Am i Reading it right? You are reading it right. This season is the time for Airforce Ace to shine (and hopefully get better sponsors) | ||
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Jumbled
1543 Posts
On May 22 2012 19:21 Mobius_1 wrote: I seem to remember some GSL thread where somebody wanted Seeker to basically use the 5-star system to make recs more continuous and give an idea of just how good or bad a given game is, and Seeker did so because he's a Yeah, somebody suggested it, people pointed out it was a pretty poor idea, change was made anyway for some reason. | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 22 2012 21:22 Jumbled wrote: Yeah, somebody suggested it, people pointed out it was a pretty poor idea, change was made anyway for some reason. Cause people were putting Yes if their favourite player win and NO when he lost no matter if the games were good or not. On May 22 2012 21:56 Gorlin wrote: Stardust (granted he took out Flash recently, but I'm assuming he's good at SC2 since he won his game on opening day) and Flash. Interesting stuff. Just no... Stardust was lucky that he played versus a very passive zerg that basically didn't scout the carrier fleet. Carriers take ages in SC2 and apart from some 2 carrier +1 early game all in are rarely used cause zerg can make enough corruptors before the carriers level down 1-2 bases. From the games played i think he is better than BW than SC2 | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On May 22 2012 22:06 Frankon wrote: Cause people were putting Yes if their favourite player win and NO when he lost no matter if the games were good or not. That's always gonna happen. But with Yes/No/Maybe at least you make it easier to see if a game was actually worth watching instead of some random unsorted amount of stars. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45296 Posts
On May 22 2012 17:30 Aetherial wrote: Wow, KT lose to ACE. ROFL I am a happy camper | ||
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