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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
May 22 2012 07:54 GMT
#981
On May 22 2012 16:52 Kergy wrote:
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On May 22 2012 16:48 Megakenny wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 a9arnn wrote:
So lame, KT's (essentially) cheating the system against ACE, it seems kinda unfair to buy these guys up . ACE better take the next 2 games to smash these guys.

How is it cheating the system? Both teams play by the same rules, KT just seems to have a better stratagy with who they send out what days and matches.


I think he means that KT can rely on fresh blood that's playing SC2 full time, Ace can't do that


that's the same thing for every team not ACE though, so yea it is unfair against ACE but expecting every other team not to hire coaching / rookies for SC2 under some gentlemen's agreement is ridiculous when it's not an explicit rule
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Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
May 22 2012 07:54 GMT
#982
On May 22 2012 16:50 iamahydralisk wrote:
I mean this in the best way possible, but honestly, a lot of these games are just lolzy. Seeing SC2 pros fail spectacularly at BW, and then seeing the huge skill gap between SC2 pros and BW pros who are still learning the game. I like this proleague format quite a bit, but it's gonna take some time before we actually see mostly competitive games.


Hey, I'm just happy that certain "elitists" were proven wrong when they said that BW pros were immediately going to crush in SC2. I mean seriously, it's going to take them several months or so.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
May 22 2012 07:54 GMT
#983
On May 22 2012 16:53 raga4ka wrote:
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On May 22 2012 16:52 xxpack09 wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:51 baubo wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:48 Megakenny wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 a9arnn wrote:
So lame, KT's (essentially) cheating the system against ACE, it seems kinda unfair to buy these guys up . ACE better take the next 2 games to smash these guys.

How is it cheating the system? Both teams play by the same rules, KT just seems to have a better stratagy with who they send out what days and matches.


From a winning standpoint, I agree. But when your core audience is mainly hold-overs BW viewers, it's kind of lame. I think viewers would prefer watching a mediocre SC2 game and a good BW game from Stats, than an good SC2 game but horrible BW game from Lizzy/Acacia.


Blame KeSPA for making the ace match sc2 instead of BW...


They should have rotated the ACE match just like the players .


Should have been ace match based on coin flip
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 22 2012 07:54 GMT
#984
On May 22 2012 16:50 romanov wrote:
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On May 22 2012 16:48 Laurens wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 PhoenixDark wrote:
This is like first GSL quality play, and even that would be generous. Clearly they need some time to learn the game


really? That TvZ wasn't nearly as bad as the first GSL games let's be honest.

The entertainement quality was better because it wasn't just a marine/scv allin or a doubleport banshee. But at least in the first seasons of GSL the builds were thougt out and executed cleanly whilst i get the idea that these BW pro's are just winging it.


They know the builds they are suppose to be doing and thats what is saving the games but what they dont know is the why they are doing it which leads to weird games on both ends when deviations happen.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 22 2012 07:54 GMT
#985
On May 22 2012 16:53 GTR wrote:
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On May 22 2012 16:52 Jumbled wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:44 Dodgin wrote:
this isn't even fair lol

KT using their sc2 bonjwas vs ace who can't get any sc2 talent because none of them are doing military service

That's interesting actually. ACE could be a serious force in the next PL if a bunch of the current SC2 pros start military service.


they wouldn't be able to join unless they abolish the kespa license system

They said that they're working on something with the GSL teams, so hopefully by the time Oz, Ganzi, NaDa, July and the rest all get into the army they'll be able to play on ACE.
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hyperdemented
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria372 Posts
May 22 2012 07:55 GMT
#986
they need to get their marinesplits down, without that you wont win vs banelings ever

jongzor
Profile Joined January 2011
United States189 Posts
May 22 2012 07:55 GMT
#987
Announcer: How do you feel about the game?

Acacia: "I was so nervous that I don't really remember anything from the game."

lol
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
May 22 2012 07:55 GMT
#988
On May 22 2012 16:54 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:50 romanov wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:48 Laurens wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 PhoenixDark wrote:
This is like first GSL quality play, and even that would be generous. Clearly they need some time to learn the game


really? That TvZ wasn't nearly as bad as the first GSL games let's be honest.

The entertainement quality was better because it wasn't just a marine/scv allin or a doubleport banshee. But at least in the first seasons of GSL the builds were thougt out and executed cleanly whilst i get the idea that these BW pro's are just winging it.


They know the builds they are suppose to be doing and thats what is saving the games but what they dont know is the why they are doing it which leads to weird games on both ends when deviations happen.


It also doesn't help terran is in the most stale and difficult situation in sc2 atm. With the queen buff no one knows whats going on in TvZ atm :/
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 22 2012 07:55 GMT
#989
On May 22 2012 16:55 jongzor wrote:
Announcer: How do you feel about the game?

Acacia: "I was so nervous that I don't really remember anything from the game."

lol


this poor guy is going to look like a fool in his bw match next week most likely
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 22 2012 07:56 GMT
#990
On May 22 2012 16:53 MrCon wrote:
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On May 22 2012 16:51 Fragile51 wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:48 Dodgin wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:48 VENDIZ wrote:
Hmm, I have yet to see a decent terran play in PL.. I get that it's a new game for them, but the protoss & zerg players have shown themselves from a lot better side than the terrans.


Reality is legit.


Yeah Reality was the only one who looked anywhere near decent.

Flash looked good imo, except he did let Effort massing drones unharrassed. But his play by itself looked fine to me.


Yeah alright, he didn't look terrible but it was overshadowed by Effort who looked very competent.
jongzor
Profile Joined January 2011
United States189 Posts
May 22 2012 07:56 GMT
#991
On May 22 2012 16:55 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:55 jongzor wrote:
Announcer: How do you feel about the game?

Acacia: "I was so nervous that I don't really remember anything from the game."

lol


this poor guy is going to look like a fool in his bw match next week most likely


Don't quote me on this, but as I was writing the other quote they asked him about how much BW he was playing and he basically responded with "...".
Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
May 22 2012 07:56 GMT
#992
MMA, MKP, and MVP should all get together and plan to do their military service at the same time, haha.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
May 22 2012 07:56 GMT
#993
On May 22 2012 16:55 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:55 jongzor wrote:
Announcer: How do you feel about the game?

Acacia: "I was so nervous that I don't really remember anything from the game."

lol


this poor guy is going to look like a fool in his bw match next week most likely

as long as hoejja, crazy hydra or stats dont fail like action did today. they have the potential to 2-0 any team.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
May 22 2012 07:56 GMT
#994
the fuck guemchi?

stick with guemchi.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 07:57:15
May 22 2012 07:57 GMT
#995
xanadu who is... ?
oh right guemchi
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xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
May 22 2012 07:57 GMT
#996
On May 22 2012 16:53 roymarthyup wrote:
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On May 22 2012 16:51 Dante08 wrote:
On May 22 2012 16:46 roymarthyup wrote:
id say lizzies build in that game was akin to a 4pool. it would be strong against cc first but lose to pretty much everything else but be almost a garuntee win against CC first


that says alot about lizzies skill it must be horrible because if a zerg uses a 4pool because he knows he sucks at everything else, it must mean the zerg sucks


im just correcting people who are commenting about "oh lizzy lost those goons there, etc etc, man he sucks" as giving reasons he sucks but in reality you should be saying "lizzy did some horrible all-in build almost similar to a 4pool in function. it means he knows he cannot play a real game competitively and thus he sucks"


How is it akin to 4 pool vs CC first? He could have easily stopped unit production and expanded. Instead he chose to engage a bunker with 2 siege tanks behind, no way he would have broken that. I guess he was just saving his energy for the ace match or something. Still pretty horrible decision making.


normally the zerg just GG's if the 4pool doesnt grant him a BO win

lizzy decided he could either attack with a 100% chance of failing and maybe a miracle would happen

or lizzy could pull back and play at a 100% extreme disadvantage in the macro game. same as a 4pool pulling back and trying to play normal after failing to win with the initial attack


Again, the main point isn't that he chose to attack, it's that he doesn't even know the basics. Imagine a Zerg in SC2 going 12hatch14pool instead of 15hatch16pool. It's that bad.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 22 2012 07:57 GMT
#997
Is the studio not full just because it's still working hours on a weekday in Korea? I'm guessing it's about the same size when BW was on?
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
May 22 2012 07:57 GMT
#998
On May 22 2012 16:55 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 16:55 jongzor wrote:
Announcer: How do you feel about the game?

Acacia: "I was so nervous that I don't really remember anything from the game."

lol


this poor guy is going to look like a fool in his bw match next week most likely


Strategic decision from KT to load up on SC2 players to win the second set guaranteed and then take the ACE with the hopes they can 2-0 the BW set, I can see them going far.
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a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
May 22 2012 07:57 GMT
#999
GCHIZZLE FTW!!!
VOD finder guy for sc2ratings.com/ ! aka: ogndrahcir, a9azn2 | Go ZerO, Stork, Sea, and KawaiiRice :D | nesc2league.com/forum/index.php | youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 07:57:45
May 22 2012 07:57 GMT
#1000
Xanadu ( dunno who this is ) vs wooki

wooookiiiiiiii

On May 22 2012 16:57 pdd wrote:
Is the studio not full just because it's still working hours on a weekday in Korea? I'm guessing it's about the same size when BW was on?


It's filled up more since the bw games actually. people trickling in after school ends I guess.
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