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There is zero measure by which Stephano is better than MC. MC surpasses him in overall results, results in 2012, prize money, head to head record, record vs other top Koreans.
what about hair? I think stephano is ahead in that regard.
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Sorry Socke, good run but i guess it ends here. :/
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Holy crap this game is insane, one of the best ZvT I have ever seen.
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On May 20 2012 06:02 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +
There is zero measure by which Stephano is better than MC. MC surpasses him in overall results, results in 2012, prize money, head to head record, record vs other top Koreans.
what about hair? I think stephano is ahead in that regard.
Finally something everyone can agree on.
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On May 20 2012 06:02 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:02 Oboeman wrote:
There is zero measure by which Stephano is better than MC. MC surpasses him in overall results, results in 2012, prize money, head to head record, record vs other top Koreans.
what about hair? I think stephano is ahead in that regard. Finally something everyone can agree on.
MC wins on mousepads and t-shirts.
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On May 20 2012 06:00 Zeborg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 05:58 NipponBanzai wrote:On May 20 2012 05:56 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:54 MCDayC wrote:On May 20 2012 05:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:51 Hart_Zhen wrote:On May 20 2012 05:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:47 The_Darkness wrote:On May 20 2012 05:44 NeonFox wrote:On May 20 2012 05:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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Stephano is 5-10 vs MC. MC is better than him (as evidenced by MC's two major LAN wins this year) but obviously Stephano is no scrub and is capable of beating MC. The important part here is the reversal in score, it's like the whole Polt vs Stephano story, he used to get crushed by Polt all the time, then he won some, and now he wins most of them. Stephano lost to MC all the time before, the two latest records are 5-3 for MC and 2-0 for Stephano. Now I still think MC is better overall than Stephano but the rate at which that zerg player adapts and improves is impressive. MC isn't at all better than stephano. He squeaked out that FC win after Stephano was coming off a 10 day lay off. Stephano is 6-1 against JYP, who is far better at zvp than MC. Stephano is the better player, IMO and this is evidenced by his having a higher Elo in the matchup. Having taken down MC Stephano will trust himself and stomp MC just like all of the other protosses - at least that's what I predict. Go Stephano! Major LAN wins in 2012 for Stephano - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for MC - 2. MC is the better player. Major LAN wins in 2012 for Parting - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for Thorzain - 1 Thorzain is the better player. I don't know why I bother talking to such clueless fanboys. I agree that MC is better than Stephano, but you can't be angry that your terrible metric for player skill is turned against you. Yes, tournaments won and head to head record is such a poor way to compare players. Stop using stats to back up your words. We don't like that kind of thing around here. Quick yes no question for you: if Player A beats Player B in early 2011, does that play a factor in determining who's better in mid 2012 if they're playing an updated (patched) version of the game?
Not if the opposing argument uses the most recent win - ignoring their last best of 9 where Player A convincingly won - and claim Player B is better.
If Player A has consistently beaten Player B, and Player B won one series. That usually means Player A is still better, especially if it wasn't even a month ago that Player A has won a best of 9 series against Player B.
Hope this answer your questions, but then again I'm sure you knew this too.
Being a fanboy is good and all, showing support to your favourite player is admirable, but straying away from logic is laughable
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On May 20 2012 06:02 goswser wrote:
Holy crap this game is insane, one of the best ZvT I have ever seen.
Symbol is goooood man.
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On May 20 2012 06:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:58 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:57 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:54 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:51 L3g3nd_ wrote:
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10:00 twil;ight on the way, socke warping in more units but they are just getting picked off. DT shirne and blink incoming. 12:00 Socke sending DT accross the map, socke reveals the blink, no detection yet, finally morphing overseer. 13:00 not much damage from DTs, DRG now 60 food ahead, surely socke cant win 14:00 socke trying to take a 3rd, DRG almost double his supply. infestor ling roach as well, socke in a world of trouble 15:00 DRG taking a 4th, and teching hive, socke getting a collosus den. Symbol has gone muta, polt taking a 4th CC, greater spire morphing in as polt gets aggressive 17:00 with a 70 food ling DRG attacks the third, good force fields but so many units from DRG, socke only just holds, double robo pumping collosus, but greater spire almost done. * 3-3 half way done for polt, symbol about to start morphin in broods, polt is pushing into symbol natural 19:00 socke taking a 4th, DRG taking a 5th, both players making a deathball. Symbol flanks polts army ! but a bunch of marines survive and run into the natural, however broods pop out and polt has to run home. 20:00 socke attacks and the ling inefstor army of DRG cleans it up very easily. DT warp in at the 5th cant kill the hatch, 1 zealot on the field for Socke. 21:00 DRG doubling the supply of socke... going to take a miracle for socke to win. polt ruinning around everywhere trying to split up the immobile brood army, 24:00 game is over DRG wins, but socke not gg'ing yet. mothership and voids on the way, but the game is 100% over. symbol and polt trade armies, game time 26 for that game atm
28:00 Polt killing the mining bases of symbol, now broods out of positoon he goes to the other side of the map to do more damage, beautiful play from polt !
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On May 20 2012 05:56 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 05:54 MCDayC wrote:On May 20 2012 05:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:51 Hart_Zhen wrote:On May 20 2012 05:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:47 The_Darkness wrote:On May 20 2012 05:44 NeonFox wrote:On May 20 2012 05:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:39 The_Darkness wrote:
Stephano was 6-1 v. jyp and people still thought MC was better than him. Although this victory wasn't necessary since Mc isn't probably even top 5 in pvz, it will further cement Stephano as the great foreign hope. WP Stephano. Stephano is 5-10 vs MC. MC is better than him (as evidenced by MC's two major LAN wins this year) but obviously Stephano is no scrub and is capable of beating MC. The important part here is the reversal in score, it's like the whole Polt vs Stephano story, he used to get crushed by Polt all the time, then he won some, and now he wins most of them. Stephano lost to MC all the time before, the two latest records are 5-3 for MC and 2-0 for Stephano. Now I still think MC is better overall than Stephano but the rate at which that zerg player adapts and improves is impressive. MC isn't at all better than stephano. He squeaked out that FC win after Stephano was coming off a 10 day lay off. Stephano is 6-1 against JYP, who is far better at zvp than MC. Stephano is the better player, IMO and this is evidenced by his having a higher Elo in the matchup. Having taken down MC Stephano will trust himself and stomp MC just like all of the other protosses - at least that's what I predict. Go Stephano! Major LAN wins in 2012 for Stephano - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for MC - 2. MC is the better player. Major LAN wins in 2012 for Parting - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for Thorzain - 1 Thorzain is the better player. I don't know why I bother talking to such clueless fanboys. I agree that MC is better than Stephano, but you can't be angry that your terrible metric for player skill is turned against you. Yes, tournaments won and head to head record is such a poor way to compare players.
H2H record from a year ago, combined with tournament results from just 2012?
Besides the relevance of these stats, it's obvious that you're massaging the stats you're giving to paint Stephano in a worse light. Lifetime results are great for evaluating a player's career but not for how skilled they are right now. Tournament results are heavily dependent on the roll of the dice a lot of the times due to the way brackets are set up. Squirtle has zero LAN wins in 2012, does this make him worse than MC?
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On May 20 2012 06:01 kratos-23 wrote:
PvZ is so boring
Yeah, Protoss in WoL is a disgrace in game design. But Terran and Zerg are well-designed races. I am happy if they make Protoss weak and we won't have to watch them.
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Socke with some Fantasy GG timing there
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On May 20 2012 06:02 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +
There is zero measure by which Stephano is better than MC. MC surpasses him in overall results, results in 2012, prize money, head to head record, record vs other top Koreans.
what about hair? I think stephano is ahead in that regard.
MC has the superior clothing though like the murloc suit.
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On May 20 2012 06:00 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 05:58 MCDayC wrote:On May 20 2012 05:56 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:54 MCDayC wrote:On May 20 2012 05:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:51 Hart_Zhen wrote:On May 20 2012 05:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:47 The_Darkness wrote:On May 20 2012 05:44 NeonFox wrote:On May 20 2012 05:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
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Stephano is 5-10 vs MC. MC is better than him (as evidenced by MC's two major LAN wins this year) but obviously Stephano is no scrub and is capable of beating MC. The important part here is the reversal in score, it's like the whole Polt vs Stephano story, he used to get crushed by Polt all the time, then he won some, and now he wins most of them. Stephano lost to MC all the time before, the two latest records are 5-3 for MC and 2-0 for Stephano. Now I still think MC is better overall than Stephano but the rate at which that zerg player adapts and improves is impressive. MC isn't at all better than stephano. He squeaked out that FC win after Stephano was coming off a 10 day lay off. Stephano is 6-1 against JYP, who is far better at zvp than MC. Stephano is the better player, IMO and this is evidenced by his having a higher Elo in the matchup. Having taken down MC Stephano will trust himself and stomp MC just like all of the other protosses - at least that's what I predict. Go Stephano! Major LAN wins in 2012 for Stephano - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for MC - 2. MC is the better player. Major LAN wins in 2012 for Parting - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for Thorzain - 1 Thorzain is the better player. I don't know why I bother talking to such clueless fanboys. I agree that MC is better than Stephano, but you can't be angry that your terrible metric for player skill is turned against you. Yes, tournaments won and head to head record is such a poor way to compare players. So it's fair to say that Thorzain is better than Parting?  He is just ahead by every metric.
Yea bro, except he just got 2-0'd by Stephano.
Now go find a warm place somewhere under a large rock and evolve.
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Damn, Oz falls 0-4 and out of the tournament on PvP alone. Quite surprising really.
Pleasantly surprised to see Alicia and Ryung carry the Slayers banner through the LB in lieu of MMA though...
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I swear the IPL FC was like a month ago and MC fairly handily beat stephano there. Not to mention that MC has had significantly better tournament results over the course of his whole career and just in 2012.
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On May 20 2012 06:02 power-overwhelming wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:00 Zeborg wrote:On May 20 2012 05:58 NipponBanzai wrote:On May 20 2012 05:56 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:54 MCDayC wrote:On May 20 2012 05:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:51 Hart_Zhen wrote:On May 20 2012 05:49 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 20 2012 05:47 The_Darkness wrote:On May 20 2012 05:44 NeonFox wrote:
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The important part here is the reversal in score, it's like the whole Polt vs Stephano story, he used to get crushed by Polt all the time, then he won some, and now he wins most of them.
Stephano lost to MC all the time before, the two latest records are 5-3 for MC and 2-0 for Stephano. Now I still think MC is better overall than Stephano but the rate at which that zerg player adapts and improves is impressive. MC isn't at all better than stephano. He squeaked out that FC win after Stephano was coming off a 10 day lay off. Stephano is 6-1 against JYP, who is far better at zvp than MC. Stephano is the better player, IMO and this is evidenced by his having a higher Elo in the matchup. Having taken down MC Stephano will trust himself and stomp MC just like all of the other protosses - at least that's what I predict. Go Stephano! Major LAN wins in 2012 for Stephano - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for MC - 2. MC is the better player. Major LAN wins in 2012 for Parting - 0 Major LAN wins in 2012 for Thorzain - 1 Thorzain is the better player. I don't know why I bother talking to such clueless fanboys. I agree that MC is better than Stephano, but you can't be angry that your terrible metric for player skill is turned against you. Yes, tournaments won and head to head record is such a poor way to compare players. Stop using stats to back up your words. We don't like that kind of thing around here. Quick yes no question for you: if Player A beats Player B in early 2011, does that play a factor in determining who's better in mid 2012 if they're playing an updated (patched) version of the game? Not if the opposing argument uses the most recent win - ignoring their last best of 9 where Player A convincingly won - and claim Player B is better. If Player A has consistently beaten Player B, and Player B won one series. That usually means Player A is still better, especially if it wasn't even a month ago that Player A has won a best of 9 series against Player B. Hope this answer your questions, but then again I'm sure you knew this too. Being a fanboy is good and all, showing support to your favourite player is admirable, but straying away from logic is laughable
I hate to say it but people on both sides of the argument stray from logic. Anyways I'm done discussing this. Back to the games!
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On May 20 2012 06:03 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2012 06:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 06:00 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:59 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:58 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:57 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:55 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:54 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 20 2012 05:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:
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12:00 Socke sending DT accross the map, socke reveals the blink, no detection yet, finally morphing overseer. 13:00 not much damage from DTs, DRG now 60 food ahead, surely socke cant win 14:00 socke trying to take a 3rd, DRG almost double his supply. infestor ling roach as well, socke in a world of trouble 15:00 DRG taking a 4th, and teching hive, socke getting a collosus den. Symbol has gone muta, polt taking a 4th CC, greater spire morphing in as polt gets aggressive 17:00 with a 70 food ling DRG attacks the third, good force fields but so many units from DRG, socke only just holds, double robo pumping collosus, but greater spire almost done. * 3-3 half way done for polt, symbol about to start morphin in broods, polt is pushing into symbol natural 19:00 socke taking a 4th, DRG taking a 5th, both players making a deathball. Symbol flanks polts army ! but a bunch of marines survive and run into the natural, however broods pop out and polt has to run home. 20:00 socke attacks and the ling inefstor army of DRG cleans it up very easily. DT warp in at the 5th cant kill the hatch, 1 zealot on the field for Socke. 21:00 DRG doubling the supply of socke... going to take a miracle for socke to win. polt ruinning around everywhere trying to split up the immobile brood army, 24:00 game is over DRG wins, but socke not gg'ing yet. mothership and voids on the way, but the game is 100% over. symbol and polt trade armies, game time 26 for that game atm 28:00 Polt killing the mining bases of symbol, now broods out of positoon he goes to the other side of the map to do more damage, beautiful play from polt !
29:00 Viking marine doing huge damage huge damage ! but the infestor/banes go off and polt has to retreat with a lot of losses, both players on 130 pop now !
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Symbol continues to impress here.
I have to say, I'm pretty glad I bought this already.
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On May 20 2012 06:03 HowardRoark wrote:Yeah, Protoss in WoL is a disgrace in game design. But Terran and Zerg are well-designed races. I am happy if they make Protoss weak and we won't have to watch them.
i hope they fix protoss in heart of the swarm
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No shame in losing to DRG, but sad that it was due to a death march into spine crawlers which must have been some kind of misclick ...
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