EPT[Code S] "The Chosen 8" 2012 GSL Season 2 Day 2 - Page 108
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NinjaNitrate
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On May 04 2012 07:44 NinjaNitrate wrote: I'll be honest. SuperNoVa's hair looked amazing last night. I think that's more important than anything. Is that you, Wolf? | ||
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foxmulder_ms
United States140 Posts
 Nothing really changed dramatically people. Supernova could have won the 1st game, he was just too reluctant to attack after 4-gate failled. And they both stayed in two base like forever. Naturally, toss started close the army gap by higher worker count. If it was MKP, this game would have ended after the failed 4-gate. Terran still have many more options than protoss and this still makes it stronger in the start of the game. At latter stages I find the match up quite balanced. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:06 foxmulder_ms wrote: Better players won. I cannot believe the terrans here. They used to say "learn how to play" now they are saying "your race is op" ?? Nothing really changed dramatically people. Supernova could have won the 1st game, he was just too reluctant to attack after 4-gate failled. And they both stayed in two base like forever. Naturally, toss started close the army gap by higher worker count. If it was MKP, this game would have ended after the failed 4-gate. Terran still have many more options than protoss and this still makes it stronger in the start of the game. At latter stages I find the match up quite balanced. Very Map dependent . If Blizzard and the tournaments want the Maps to stay the way they currently are ( like Daybreak f.e ) there needs to be some patching. TvP even if you believe it is balanced is still horrible to play and watch. | ||
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power-overwhelming
Canada306 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:12 power-overwhelming wrote: A 1-1-1 still has no counter btw. Just thought I'd say that. Nexus first or big Maps ( most of the current Maps are big enough ) counter it pretty well unless you completely fuck up. | ||
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tranmillitary
210 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On May 04 2012 09:56 tranmillitary wrote: I never thought in a million years that Hero would make the final 4. So happy for team liquid which we are all apart (on these forums supporting at least). I always thought hero was a 2nd rate toss, but he has proven he's not. I hope it's MVP vs Hero finals, but my head is telling me it's gonna be Parting and squirtle. We can all still believe | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
Right now T and P are both about equal, and Zerg probably just lacks new Talent. Squirtle proved at IPL already, that hes one of the MIP, most improved players in 2012 HerO just plays the season of his life, first time in Code S too afaik, and hes the most solid player in Teamliquid right now. PartinG is a PvT monster, and GSL naturally has most Terrans, so he has always chances to run deep. only guys like DRG and aLive are to blame, they could have easily made it to the finals from here. | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
Meanwhile, the next week, or month, with no patches happening you watch sets with the other race winning just as handedly, or things like MKP winning multiple tournaments in a row while gold league armchair experts are whining about how horribly weak and hopeless Terran are. Eyeroll. Fucking joke the lot of you whiners. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
A 1-1-1 still has no counter btw. Just thought I'd say that. And yet, out of the 10 TvP games in Ro8, there was not 1 attempt at a 1-1-1... Have Korean Terrans gotten more honorable (unlikely) or are most Protosss builds, maps, better control making the 1-1-1 not as effective??? Terran still have many more options than protoss and this still makes it stronger in the start of the game. At latter stages I find the match up quite balanced. Terrans do have more options. But with the bigger maps and smaller ramps, Protoss with a decent sentry count/scouting can counter many of these options. Not sure why you find the latter stages balanced considering the protoss army upgrades faster and better, has warp ins. | ||
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
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whirlpool
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Fjodorov
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
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Andre
Slovenia3515 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:12 power-overwhelming wrote: It's called comprehension. I was responding to the guy who whined about all the Terran nerfs when they were overpowered to begin with, hence the need for the nerf. Spells are unique on their own already, the fact that EMP is instant and free is VERY unique to storm which is progressive and need to be researched. Blizzard obviously found it unfair for EMP to have bigger radius than storm, hence the nerf. Shouldn't throw the word dumb around if you didn't even comprehend my argument. I'm retarded sorry, didn't want to quote you but the guy you were adressing. And not all spells are really unique, aside from the cast ranges and such EMP/storm/fungal are really similiar in their function. | ||
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blamekilly
466 Posts
On May 04 2012 04:24 Heavenlee wrote: So many complaints about storms lately...yet so few terrans are even using ghosts effectively nowadays. A lot of them aren't even bothering to build them, as if the EMP radius nerf somehow made them useless. It's been widely known that there is a major AOE battle between ghosts and high templar but terrans are losing it constantly, for no reason. Ghost v Templar is not imbalanced in either favor, it comes down to skill, but in recent months terrans just haven't been doing it. All those devastating storms that go off and make the game look imbalanced...? How about use some actual EMPs, ghost cloak, snipe templar and observers? How many games in the past have been completely swung by EMPs but now terran aren't even using them? Because you need really high APM(higher than pros even) for all the shit you listed while the Protoss A-moves and clicks storm. I'd really like to see you try to EMP a split up army, snipe templars, dodge storms, split your own units, move out of storms, stim, focus fire collosi with vikings since you made it sound soooo easy to do. | ||
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noddy
United Kingdom927 Posts
Please kill him MVP! | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On May 04 2012 05:34 snowfox330 wrote: I'm tired at seeing all these people crying about balance. PLEASE, just because protoss players found a way to beat terran, that doesn't mean protoss is unbeatable. You need to wait for the meta game to solidify before you can say "something needs to be nerfed right now!" Terran players haven't tried everything yet. Heres what I can think of off the top of my head: adding tanks to the bio mix, dropping with low energy medivacs to prevent feedback, abusing the cloak/speed/range on ghosts against high templars(all ghost spells are range 10 and all high templar spells are range 9), and building extra orbital commands for scans to anticipate tech switch. When the 111 build got popular, it was 80%+ win rate against protoss. Nothing was done to fix it, but now protoss players can hold it off. Although I'm in vague agreement with your general sentiment; Tanks with bio; being tried. All the time. Watched any pro games recently? Low energy medivacs; Good. Probably being done by some players. Still pretty minor stuff though, not gonna turn a match up around. Using ghosts spells; Use EMP and snipe you say? Well why didn't anyone think of this before. Extra orbitals; Late game you should have scans coming out of your arse. Also I'd like to point out that learning to deal with an early game rush and learning to play against the late game of a whole race are different things. And this 'P>T lategame' jazz isn't exactly new, it's been around since release. I don't think anything needs nerfing right now anyhow. Just sayin'. On May 05 2012 02:47 noddy wrote: Expecting Parting to win this GSL then never making it past ro32 again before dropping to code B in like 4 seasons Please kill him MVP! I dunno, I don't see him as one of those, seeing as we've all known he's really good for a little while now. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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