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On April 29 2012 09:52 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:On April 29 2012 09:46 sc14s wrote:On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really??? lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate. It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning. Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening. if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft... *sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game. Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming. And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals. My point was that it wasn't the highest level play i've seen.. idk honestly that first game was really fucking sloppy was my point because i do understand the small things that seperate gm from top pros.. want an example? losing 13 fucking infestors is not high lvl play, sorry to burst your bubble.
Making HT's and not making them archons, then securing the high ground, finding the infestors and quickly feedbacking them was a great play by MC. Good players make other good players look bad.
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Pretty sick 3 gate all-in. Mixing up the build orders.
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On April 29 2012 09:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!
Not even a 4gate all-in!
Fuck yeah. That pressure. It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in. That definitely wasn't an all-in. He originally planned to just do pressure, and then he committed more when he saw that he could actually kill Stephano, but if Stephano had ended up holding, MC wouldn't have lost the game (or even been behind, let alone very far behind) because Stephano had lost so much larvae to dead zerglings instead of drones and hypothetical mining time. Stephano had no tech, low drone count, and two bases.
This.
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On April 29 2012 09:54 JitnikoVi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:46 sc14s wrote:On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really??? lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate. It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning. Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening. if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft... *sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game. Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming. lol.. go play mario kart, the learning curve is enough for you to understand it
seriously trolls like this shouldn't be posting.. its entirely unconstructive.
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On April 29 2012 09:53 Supah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!
Not even a 4gate all-in!
Fuck yeah. That pressure. It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in. Not necessarily. The Stalkers are good since if the battles start going poorly, you can really book it before Speed pops. It's a strong pressure, and you're not committed as a Sentry/Zealot attack or even a 4 gas variation.
I would say he was very committed. If MC wanted to expand, he would have to warp in stuff at home to be able to even get out of his base. Completely walling off is a pretty good indication that MC was not planning on having to expand.
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On April 29 2012 09:53 FataLe wrote:
For those that were thinking it was pressure. No that was all in.
It's a 3 gate because he's makeing almost unanimously stalkers, this is because he saw late/no gas.
This build is all in because the protoss cannot afford 4 gates if he's producing stalkers non - stop. 3 Gates takes care of that.
yeah, and to hold it zerg needs to basically treat it as a 4 gate it seems, especially if they delay gas.
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sick build by mc, stephano misread
lol@people spouting "arrogance"
haters really crack me up :D
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On April 29 2012 09:53 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how can anyone hate on stephano....
Not really the place to bring up all of the controversial issues surrounding him, but there are many threads about them and enough missed games to make people dislike his approaches. And his overzealous fanbase doesn't hurt either.
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On April 29 2012 09:53 Kodak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:
And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals. What are you on about? Just because somebody didn't find a game to be mindblowing doesn't mean they have no understanding of the game. The first game wasn't bad, but just because it's long and drawn out doesn't automatically make it a stellar match. Yes, they're playing at a high level, but watching players posture for 20 minutes with negligible harassment isn't exactly exciting as a viewer.
I never said the game was mindblowing, I never said it was exciting. I was telling him that comparing any macro based game to the games he plays in platinum is ignorant.
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On April 29 2012 09:55 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:52 sc14s wrote:On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:On April 29 2012 09:46 sc14s wrote:On April 29 2012 09:42 JitnikoVi wrote:On April 29 2012 09:41 hifriend wrote:On April 29 2012 09:39 Zheryn wrote:On April 29 2012 09:29 hifriend wrote:On April 29 2012 09:27 BuzZoo wrote:
People saying that was an awful game???
Really??? lol it was really bad.. endless posturing with no engagement. I hate it when sc2 games play out like this, when there's zero harassment and no splitting of armies, then a 5 second battle to close the 15 minute stalemate. It probably wasn't the most "entertaining" game for people with low understanding of the game. However, I thougt the game was freaking awesome by mostly watching the production tab. So high level play and awesome game for learning. Yes I probably just couldn't comprehend what was happening. if you thought that game was anything below stellar you must have a miniscule knowledge of starcraft... *sigh* i guess the since BW is dieing sc2 fans can turn on their elitist switch apparently.. you also have no clue what the other players understanding of the game. Personally it was an avg GM level PvT late game i was watching that i can watch on the live stream tab... I am not saying the game was awful but it certainly wasn't mindblowingly amazing as all these people keep claiming. And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals. My point was that it wasn't the highest level play i've seen.. idk honestly that first game was really fucking sloppy was my point because i do understand the small things that seperate gm from top pros.. want an example? losing 13 fucking infestors is not high lvl play, sorry to burst your bubble. Making HT's and not making them archons, then securing the high ground, finding the infestors and quickly feedbacking them was a great play by MC. Good players make other good players look bad.
sure that was something mc did well.. howabout the fact that he did a fail vortex 45 seconds later? (which is game ending)
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On April 29 2012 09:54 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:53 Heinsenzerg wrote:
how can anyone hate on stephano.... Because he's french.. No good reasons to hate on him, real nice guy. (the french comment was a joke btw)
Wait hang on. Is the 'Because he's french' a joke because it is preposterous to hate on someone because they are for a certain country? Or is it a joke because he is widely accepted to be American?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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On April 29 2012 09:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!
Not even a 4gate all-in!
Fuck yeah. That pressure. It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in. That definitely wasn't an all-in. He originally planned to just do pressure, and then he committed more when he saw that he could actually kill Stephano, but if Stephano had ended up holding, MC wouldn't have lost the game (or even been behind, let alone very far behind) because Stephano had lost so much larvae to dead zerglings instead of drones and hypothetical mining time. Stephano had no tech, low drone count, and two bases.
He walled himself in with a pylon he wasn't going to expand. Going all stalker from 3 gates is pretty much all you can afford anyway.
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On April 29 2012 09:56 blooblooblahblah wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:53 Supah wrote:On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!
Not even a 4gate all-in!
Fuck yeah. That pressure. It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in. Not necessarily. The Stalkers are good since if the battles start going poorly, you can really book it before Speed pops. It's a strong pressure, and you're not committed as a Sentry/Zealot attack or even a 4 gas variation. I would say he was very committed. If MC wanted to expand, he would have to warp in stuff at home to be able to even get out of his base. Completely walling off is a pretty good indication that MC was not planning on having to expand.
Any pressure should include this, because a handful of lings running by means you lose attack force by having to warp in at home (minus just ONE warp in to save the wall), and you could lose your Probes. Lack of second gas, lack of another gate, MC actually getting his second gas partly through the attack, the late-ish forward Pylon really showed it wasn't an all in. There was a planned transition out of this.
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No stargate yet? Damm.. this is stephano's game right now -__-
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On April 29 2012 09:57 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:53 Kodak wrote:On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:
And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals. What are you on about? Just because somebody didn't find a game to be mindblowing doesn't mean they have no understanding of the game. The first game wasn't bad, but just because it's long and drawn out doesn't automatically make it a stellar match. Yes, they're playing at a high level, but watching players posture for 20 minutes with negligible harassment isn't exactly exciting as a viewer. I never said the game was mindblowing, I never said it was exciting. I was telling him that comparing any macro based game to the games he plays in platinum is ignorant.
AND apparently you missed the fact that i told you it was hyperbole when you quoted me.
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On April 29 2012 09:55 JitnikoVi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 29 2012 09:51 Daray wrote:On April 29 2012 09:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
MC WOW!!!
Not even a 4gate all-in!
Fuck yeah. That pressure. It wasn't 4gate but it was an all-in. That definitely wasn't an all-in. He originally planned to just do pressure, and then he committed more when he saw that he could actually kill Stephano, but if Stephano had ended up holding, MC wouldn't have lost the game (or even been behind, let alone very far behind) because Stephano had lost so much larvae to dead zerglings instead of drones and hypothetical mining time. Stephano had no tech, low drone count, and two bases. This.
Not this. MC blindly blocked his base b4 he even reached Stephano's base. He was definitely wanting to do more than just pressure.
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That minimap looks like a bear willing to put his giant paws around you for a hug.
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On April 29 2012 09:57 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 09:53 Kodak wrote:On April 29 2012 09:49 the`postman wrote:
And this is how people know you have a low understanding of the game, you don't notice the small things that separate GM players from the top professionals. What are you on about? Just because somebody didn't find a game to be mindblowing doesn't mean they have no understanding of the game. The first game wasn't bad, but just because it's long and drawn out doesn't automatically make it a stellar match. Yes, they're playing at a high level, but watching players posture for 20 minutes with negligible harassment isn't exactly exciting as a viewer. I never said the game was mindblowing, I never said it was exciting. I was telling him that comparing any macro based game to the games he plays in platinum is ignorant.
Fair enough, but his point about it being similar to his platinum games was not him ignoring the superior skill of MC/Stephano, rather he was simply stating it in reference to the passivity of the match. I believe he said something along the lines of "if I wanted to watch players sit back and macro for 20 minutes I'd just watch one of my plat games"
Regardless, enjoy the games!
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We're spoiled by the GSL observers. Everygame not "directed" by them looks pale now 
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