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[Code S] Ro16 2012 GSL Season 2 Group A - Page 154

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Hamdemon
Profile Joined September 2011
United States348 Posts
April 18 2012 20:43 GMT
#3061
On April 19 2012 05:39 dangerjoe wrote:
The picture for this VOD on gom.tv says this is 'Free' but I can only watch Game 1


It's always been free to watch game 1, have to get a ticket to watch the rest.
"All warfare is based on deception." - Sun Tzu
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
April 18 2012 20:45 GMT
#3062
On April 19 2012 05:43 Hamdemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 05:39 dangerjoe wrote:
The picture for this VOD on gom.tv says this is 'Free' but I can only watch Game 1


It's always been free to watch game 1, have to get a ticket to watch the rest.


Yeah I know, but why did they put a 'Free' on the picture unlike the other VODS?
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Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
April 18 2012 20:47 GMT
#3063
^Tricked me too, not sure what they mean.
BBMorti
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark242 Posts
April 18 2012 20:56 GMT
#3064
On April 19 2012 04:37 Liquid`NonY wrote:
It's hard to tell when a player plays poorly because of the pressure his opponent is putting on him. Sometimes certain timings and strategies are quite confounding when seeing them for the first time in Code S. And once a player kind of establishes his momentum and presence in a match, a lot of players will get intimidated and lose confidence and start making all kinds of random mistakes. I think the dominating player deserves credit for that.

Also when a player commits to something and it works, and he does this over and over again and every time he commits he's winning, well then you can't really call him risky or all-in. For all we know, the only time he commits is when he knows it works.

It seems to me that a lot of viewers cannot tell the difference between luck and skill, whether we're talking about the smallest bit of micro or the strategy of the whole game. Anything and everything that a player does could be done with a lot of knowledge backing it up that we don't know about. Myself included. When I'm trying to learn from a player I'm watching, it's very important for me to know whether he took a risk and whether this thing that appeared to be lucky was intentionally set up. Or when there's a very close call that the player knew would go in his favor but everyone else thought could've gone either way, I need to be able to make the right call too.

When a player keeps winning, you've got to give him credit. That's all it comes down to.

As for attempts at ranking and who belongs where etc, I'm surprised that it's not obvious to everyone that most of those thoughts are in vain. There are a lot of people that can beat a lot of people. Players that can make a deep run in Code S can fail to qualify for Code A for a couple seasons. IMO watch the games, enjoy the fruits of the progamers' hard work, cheer on your favorites, talk about the games themselves and call it a day =]

Impressive post, in many peoples mind it simply comes down to the winner being Korean or not, if the winner is not Korean, excuses *will* be made.

The worst part is when they end up bashing Korean top players trying to excuse how they lost to this foreigner. A small edge in strategy or skill can cause a snowball effect, it doesn't mean the loser played, or is, a bad player even though the resistance might look lesser than seen in other games.
Alkro
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden88 Posts
April 18 2012 21:00 GMT
#3065
It's quite cool that the foreigners who have reached furthest in GSL are both Swedish. (Jinro and Naniwa)
raser
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway301 Posts
April 18 2012 21:18 GMT
#3066
have there been any reaction from the korean Netizens?
bikefrog
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway451 Posts
April 18 2012 21:20 GMT
#3067
On April 19 2012 03:34 GreyKnight wrote:
also I think naniwa needs a back and forth series where the opponent actually plays a strong code s level game. the games he's playing are really weak or he just wins.

his games just look less effort on his part and he still wins. his engagements look really sloppy and bad honestly and the pvp vs genius was just weird. like for example, nobody doubts supernova's code s quality when he plays games like that vs genius on daybreak. naniwa needs something like that before it cements his status in my opinion. people are blinded by the fact he's a foreigner but i actually think his opponents played insanely poor.

i dont want to detract from his accomplishment either but code s feels alot less skilled than last season with champions playing poorly and dropping out.

NaNiwa has proved himself so many times it's ridiculous. He's pretty much always been among the top 3 foreigners. You can't blame him for his opponents making mistakes, that's what SC2 is about.
Foreigners fighting! Ovethrow our Korean overlords!
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
April 18 2012 21:30 GMT
#3068
On April 19 2012 06:00 Alkro wrote:
It's quite cool that the foreigners who have reached furthest in GSL are both Swedish. (Jinro and Naniwa)

Remember that one time HuK got to the RO8? I guess not. =/
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
April 18 2012 21:38 GMT
#3069
On April 19 2012 06:30 Phobbers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 06:00 Alkro wrote:
It's quite cool that the foreigners who have reached furthest in GSL are both Swedish. (Jinro and Naniwa)

Remember that one time HuK got to the RO8? I guess not. =/



Idra too.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
April 18 2012 21:39 GMT
#3070
On April 19 2012 03:34 GreyKnight wrote:
people are blinded by the fact he's a foreigner but i actually think his opponents played insanely poor.

i dont want to detract from his accomplishment either but code s feels alot less skilled than last season with champions playing poorly and dropping out.


i think it's insane to call all the gsl players from this season 'less skilled' just because of one naniwa... just a thought
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
April 18 2012 21:41 GMT
#3071
On April 19 2012 06:38 Juvant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 06:30 Phobbers wrote:
On April 19 2012 06:00 Alkro wrote:
It's quite cool that the foreigners who have reached furthest in GSL are both Swedish. (Jinro and Naniwa)

Remember that one time HuK got to the RO8? I guess not. =/



Idra too.

That to! Ah, how time has gone by.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
April 19 2012 00:25 GMT
#3072
A lot of you will make excuses or brush off players as "not code S" worthy. Just watch the games and see if you think they're code S worthy, not the players.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 04:42:33
April 19 2012 04:41 GMT
#3073
On April 19 2012 04:37 Liquid`NonY wrote:
It's hard to tell when a player plays poorly because of the pressure his opponent is putting on him. Sometimes certain timings and strategies are quite confounding when seeing them for the first time in Code S. And once a player kind of establishes his momentum and presence in a match, a lot of players will get intimidated and lose confidence and start making all kinds of random mistakes. I think the dominating player deserves credit for that.

Also when a player commits to something and it works, and he does this over and over again and every time he commits he's winning, well then you can't really call him risky or all-in. For all we know, the only time he commits is when he knows it works.

It seems to me that a lot of viewers cannot tell the difference between luck and skill, whether we're talking about the smallest bit of micro or the strategy of the whole game. Anything and everything that a player does could be done with a lot of knowledge backing it up that we don't know about. Myself included. When I'm trying to learn from a player I'm watching, it's very important for me to know whether he took a risk and whether this thing that appeared to be lucky was intentionally set up. Or when there's a very close call that the player knew would go in his favor but everyone else thought could've gone either way, I need to be able to make the right call too.

When a player keeps winning, you've got to give him credit. That's all it comes down to.

As for attempts at ranking and who belongs where etc, I'm surprised that it's not obvious to everyone that most of those thoughts are in vain. There are a lot of people that can beat a lot of people. Players that can make a deep run in Code S can fail to qualify for Code A for a couple seasons. IMO watch the games, enjoy the fruits of the progamers' hard work, cheer on your favorites, talk about the games themselves and call it a day =]

So much wisdom in this ! This is the kind of advice everybody should follow. Thank you so much !
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