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On April 17 2012 21:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
gosh, are danish ppl generally dumb?
just gonna repost facts
aLive
> MVP (previous Code S)
> MMA (previous Code S)
> PuMa (IPL qualifier)
> DRG (IPL qualifier)
> MKP (IPL)
> Polt (IPL)
> NesTea (IPL)
> Leenock (Iron Squid)
> MC (Iron Squid)
over 65% against Code S players in 2012 - highest since MVP
There is absolutely no doubt, aLive is easily the best player in the world right now.
Bye
Also, me and Hider were discussing statistics, which we were both apparently pretty decent/good at, where as you are just saying random stuff, reposting facts (however aLive didn't play MVP in previous code S) and saying stupid shit like "there is absolutely no doubt"
Are German people generally this stupid?
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On April 17 2012 21:39 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 17 2012 21:00 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:56 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:50 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:44 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:40 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:34 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:32 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:28 rothsbury wrote:
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I wasn't talking about the alive thing at all, just arguing that you can't say that a win is never based on luck (I guess that's what meant by nothing "iffy") just because it is against code S / code A players. Just stop trying. Some ignorant people just cant make a distinction between being really good and having good results. Alive isn't really good like MKP. He is good, of similar caliber like other good korean terrans such as Ryung, Supernova etc. But he isn't the kind of player you expect to see dominate code S. He is the kidn of player who constantly have to work to just stay in code S. People like you kind of piss me off, what would you rather: Be "good" in your definition, or have good results? I am not saying aLive is the best T in the world, but he has good results. I do know what the difference is, like yellow in BW, he was fucking good, but never won a gold. But which is actually better? Why do you think the discussion is about what I rather want? This discussion is about being good, not about results, as results vary a lot in the short term. LEsser skilled players can often times get better results in a few tournaments even if they are 10% worse than other players. However long termish we can expect the best players to get best results. But of course if you dont play the game at a decent level your self, you can't really determine who is good/really good/mediocore, and your best bet is too look at results. Wow, what a delicate way to say that you know better than me. Even if this discussion is about being good, instead of producing results, who do you rate as the best? He who wins the most shit, or he who has more of this "skill" that everyone talks about. I can appreciate some players who are extremely good but never actually win the big finals (yellow), but in the end, those who win are the ones who win. Not those who are good. Because thats a totally different situation. Do I want to be someone who got lucky and won a million through gambling, or a hardworking man who "only" has won half a million? Its a compltetely pointless discussion, but I know that in the future we can expect the hardworking man to do better than the lucky gambler. And this is probably what you miss. There is no kind of (unexplainable) secret that has yielded Alive better results (and Ryung worse results). Its mostly due to variance (+ not having pariticapted in the right tournaments). ANd if you think there is some kind of "secret" that can explain why Ryung is doing worse than Alive, then it can be attributed to decision making/strategy/mechanicas/mentaliity that is a part of being good. So what is you point? aLive just got lucky and beat MMA, MVP, DRG, NESTEA, MC, MKP etc? Or was he good? Which is why he has gotten results? Also what you want is not the point, I believe just as much as the next guy that hard work > luck. But in a game based a lot on luck, there is bound to be some variations, however IM_MVP was pretty good for a long time, was he just lucky a long time in a row? Walking away from this discussion now. Please take a statistic class. You dont understand how variance works. in this Stats Class you are recommending make sure it covers this LAW ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/math/7/7/f/77fd8f4aee1576f5a4512f6b0d63a71f.png) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbersi remember 2 years ago on "another RTS Fan site" people insisting HuK got "lucky" to win 3 $100 CraftCups in a row. That many of his wins were "pure luck" based upon "gamble builds". Look at the guys he beat in the final few rounds of those $100 events. With two years of historical data to now examine ... would you say HuK was lucky or would you say he is the better player? Same logic applies here. As the victories pile up it'll become harder and harder for this "it was pure luck" talk to withstand any common sense scrutiny. The thing is, even though you may understand the "law of large numbers" in a nutshell, then its easy for me to see that on the way you try to simplifiy things (black/white), you dont understand statistics (especially since there is essiantelly no doubt that Huk had positive variance on his side to win 3 craftcups - though he probably was the best player at that time).
Alright guys, let's take it easy and simple, I see your point actually and whereas I'm not convinced, I'd say what you say still has some probability to be right.
Bye 
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On April 17 2012 21:39 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 17 2012 21:25 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:18 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 21:07 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:00 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:56 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:50 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:44 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:40 Hider wrote:
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Why do you think the discussion is about what I rather want?
This discussion is about being good, not about results, as results vary a lot in the short term. LEsser skilled players can often times get better results in a few tournaments even if they are 10% worse than other players. However long termish we can expect the best players to get best results.
But of course if you dont play the game at a decent level your self, you can't really determine who is good/really good/mediocore, and your best bet is too look at results. Wow, what a delicate way to say that you know better than me. Even if this discussion is about being good, instead of producing results, who do you rate as the best? He who wins the most shit, or he who has more of this "skill" that everyone talks about. I can appreciate some players who are extremely good but never actually win the big finals (yellow), but in the end, those who win are the ones who win. Not those who are good. Because thats a totally different situation. Do I want to be someone who got lucky and won a million through gambling, or a hardworking man who "only" has won half a million? Its a compltetely pointless discussion, but I know that in the future we can expect the hardworking man to do better than the lucky gambler. And this is probably what you miss. There is no kind of (unexplainable) secret that has yielded Alive better results (and Ryung worse results). Its mostly due to variance (+ not having pariticapted in the right tournaments). ANd if you think there is some kind of "secret" that can explain why Ryung is doing worse than Alive, then it can be attributed to decision making/strategy/mechanicas/mentaliity that is a part of being good. So what is you point? aLive just got lucky and beat MMA, MVP, DRG, NESTEA, MC, MKP etc? Or was he good? Which is why he has gotten results? Also what you want is not the point, I believe just as much as the next guy that hard work > luck. But in a game based a lot on luck, there is bound to be some variations, however IM_MVP was pretty good for a long time, was he just lucky a long time in a row? Walking away from this discussion now. Please take a statistic class. You dont understand how variance works. Ohh I waited for this, since you are Danish I am sure you will be able to understand this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PeyOV.png) NB: Videnskabsteori og metode II = Kvantitativ metode/statistik III So if you understand variance, then can you now tell me if its possible for observatations over a short sample size to go above the mean? Does that mean that the obersavations are of higher value or any different from the mean? Lets say we have some expert on the field who are able to esimate what the mean most likely is, and they estimate that the oberserved values are above the mean due to randomness. But they estimate that in the future these observed values will return to the mean. Does that make sense to you? And why cant you see that this is what I just did? Or will you try to argue that it is impossible for any starcraft player to try and estimate the "mean", and that the observed values give a better indication of the true mean than the estimations of the experts? Of course that makes sense to me, but who has established this "mean", because right now we are just arguing whether or not aLive's recent performances has been higher than his "mean" skill level?? I do understand your point, you say/think aLive's mean is lower than the last couple of observations/manifestations of this skill. So yes, it is possible for a worse player to play over his "mean" for an extended period of time. However playing above your skill level/mean in crunch situations, does that not make you a better player, even though more volatile.? gosh, are danish ppl generally dumb? just gonna repost facts aLive > MVP (previous Code S) > MMA (previous Code S) > PuMa (IPL qualifier) > DRG (IPL qualifier) > MKP (IPL) > Polt (IPL) > NesTea (IPL) > Leenock (Iron Squid) > MC (Iron Squid) 65% against Code S players in 2012 - highest since MVP There is absolutely no doubt, aLive is easily the best player in the world right now. Bye mvp never played alive. i'm also pretty sure mkp has a better record this year than alive too
"The fact that aLive is in Code A at all is a mystery. After his championship at IPL4, there's no doubt that he's a top three player in the world. His win rate in 2012 is over 65%, with most of his games against Code S class opposition in a couple hundred games. The last player to achieve that kind of statistical feat was IMMvp in the very midst of his prime".
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329665
wow, u made it quite easy for me. maybe u should actually read this very same page sometimes.
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On April 17 2012 21:46 SilentBonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:39 opterown wrote:On April 17 2012 21:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 17 2012 21:25 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:18 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 21:07 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:00 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:56 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:50 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:44 Grovbolle wrote:
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Wow, what a delicate way to say that you know better than me.
Even if this discussion is about being good, instead of producing results, who do you rate as the best?
He who wins the most shit, or he who has more of this "skill" that everyone talks about.
I can appreciate some players who are extremely good but never actually win the big finals (yellow), but in the end, those who win are the ones who win. Not those who are good.
Because thats a totally different situation. Do I want to be someone who got lucky and won a million through gambling, or a hardworking man who "only" has won half a million? Its a compltetely pointless discussion, but I know that in the future we can expect the hardworking man to do better than the lucky gambler. And this is probably what you miss. There is no kind of (unexplainable) secret that has yielded Alive better results (and Ryung worse results). Its mostly due to variance (+ not having pariticapted in the right tournaments). ANd if you think there is some kind of "secret" that can explain why Ryung is doing worse than Alive, then it can be attributed to decision making/strategy/mechanicas/mentaliity that is a part of being good. So what is you point? aLive just got lucky and beat MMA, MVP, DRG, NESTEA, MC, MKP etc? Or was he good? Which is why he has gotten results? Also what you want is not the point, I believe just as much as the next guy that hard work > luck. But in a game based a lot on luck, there is bound to be some variations, however IM_MVP was pretty good for a long time, was he just lucky a long time in a row? Walking away from this discussion now. Please take a statistic class. You dont understand how variance works. Ohh I waited for this, since you are Danish I am sure you will be able to understand this: NB: Videnskabsteori og metode II = Kvantitativ metode/statistik III So if you understand variance, then can you now tell me if its possible for observatations over a short sample size to go above the mean? Does that mean that the obersavations are of higher value or any different from the mean? Lets say we have some expert on the field who are able to esimate what the mean most likely is, and they estimate that the oberserved values are above the mean due to randomness. But they estimate that in the future these observed values will return to the mean. Does that make sense to you? And why cant you see that this is what I just did? Or will you try to argue that it is impossible for any starcraft player to try and estimate the "mean", and that the observed values give a better indication of the true mean than the estimations of the experts? Of course that makes sense to me, but who has established this "mean", because right now we are just arguing whether or not aLive's recent performances has been higher than his "mean" skill level?? I do understand your point, you say/think aLive's mean is lower than the last couple of observations/manifestations of this skill. So yes, it is possible for a worse player to play over his "mean" for an extended period of time. However playing above your skill level/mean in crunch situations, does that not make you a better player, even though more volatile.? gosh, are danish ppl generally dumb? just gonna repost facts aLive > MVP (previous Code S) > MMA (previous Code S) > PuMa (IPL qualifier) > DRG (IPL qualifier) > MKP (IPL) > Polt (IPL) > NesTea (IPL) > Leenock (Iron Squid) > MC (Iron Squid) 65% against Code S players in 2012 - highest since MVP There is absolutely no doubt, aLive is easily the best player in the world right now. Bye mvp never played alive. i'm also pretty sure mkp has a better record this year than alive too "The fact that aLive is in Code A at all is a mystery. After his championship at IPL4, there's no doubt that he's a top three player in the world. His win rate in 2012 is over 65%, with most of his games against Code S class opposition in a couple hundred games. The last player to achieve that kind of statistical feat was IMMvp in the very midst of his prime". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329665wow, u made it quite easy for me. maybe u should actually read this very same page sometimes.
article is an opinion piece, please do your own research
mkp's win rate, this, year, for your information, is well over 65%. including a positive head-to-head against alive.
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On April 17 2012 21:45 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:39 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 21:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 17 2012 21:00 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:56 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:50 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:44 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:40 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:34 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:32 Hider wrote:
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Just stop trying. Some ignorant people just cant make a distinction between being really good and having good results.
Alive isn't really good like MKP. He is good, of similar caliber like other good korean terrans such as Ryung, Supernova etc. But he isn't the kind of player you expect to see dominate code S. He is the kidn of player who constantly have to work to just stay in code S. People like you kind of piss me off, what would you rather: Be "good" in your definition, or have good results? I am not saying aLive is the best T in the world, but he has good results. I do know what the difference is, like yellow in BW, he was fucking good, but never won a gold. But which is actually better? Why do you think the discussion is about what I rather want? This discussion is about being good, not about results, as results vary a lot in the short term. LEsser skilled players can often times get better results in a few tournaments even if they are 10% worse than other players. However long termish we can expect the best players to get best results. But of course if you dont play the game at a decent level your self, you can't really determine who is good/really good/mediocore, and your best bet is too look at results. Wow, what a delicate way to say that you know better than me. Even if this discussion is about being good, instead of producing results, who do you rate as the best? He who wins the most shit, or he who has more of this "skill" that everyone talks about. I can appreciate some players who are extremely good but never actually win the big finals (yellow), but in the end, those who win are the ones who win. Not those who are good. Because thats a totally different situation. Do I want to be someone who got lucky and won a million through gambling, or a hardworking man who "only" has won half a million? Its a compltetely pointless discussion, but I know that in the future we can expect the hardworking man to do better than the lucky gambler. And this is probably what you miss. There is no kind of (unexplainable) secret that has yielded Alive better results (and Ryung worse results). Its mostly due to variance (+ not having pariticapted in the right tournaments). ANd if you think there is some kind of "secret" that can explain why Ryung is doing worse than Alive, then it can be attributed to decision making/strategy/mechanicas/mentaliity that is a part of being good. So what is you point? aLive just got lucky and beat MMA, MVP, DRG, NESTEA, MC, MKP etc? Or was he good? Which is why he has gotten results? Also what you want is not the point, I believe just as much as the next guy that hard work > luck. But in a game based a lot on luck, there is bound to be some variations, however IM_MVP was pretty good for a long time, was he just lucky a long time in a row? Walking away from this discussion now. Please take a statistic class. You dont understand how variance works. in this Stats Class you are recommending make sure it covers this LAW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbersi remember 2 years ago on "another RTS Fan site" people insisting HuK got "lucky" to win 3 $100 CraftCups in a row. That many of his wins were "pure luck" based upon "gamble builds". Look at the guys he beat in the final few rounds of those $100 events. With two years of historical data to now examine ... would you say HuK was lucky or would you say he is the better player? Same logic applies here. As the victories pile up it'll become harder and harder for this "it was pure luck" talk to withstand any common sense scrutiny. The thing is, even though you may understand the "law of large numbers" in a nutshell, then its easy for me to see that on the way you try to simplifiy things (black/white), you dont understand statistics (especially since there is essiantelly no doubt that Huk had positive variance on his side to win 3 craftcups - though he probably was the best player at that time). Alright guys, let's take it easy and simple, I see your point actually and whereas I'm not convinced, I'd say what you say still has some probability to be right. Bye
Your "taking the high road"-level, it's over 9000!!!!!
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On April 17 2012 21:44 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
gosh, are danish ppl generally dumb?
just gonna repost facts
aLive
> MVP (previous Code S)
> MMA (previous Code S)
> PuMa (IPL qualifier)
> DRG (IPL qualifier)
> MKP (IPL)
> Polt (IPL)
> NesTea (IPL)
> Leenock (Iron Squid)
> MC (Iron Squid)
over 65% against Code S players in 2012 - highest since MVP
There is absolutely no doubt, aLive is easily the best player in the world right now.
Bye Also, me and Hider were discussing statistics, which we were both apparently pretty decent/good at, where as you are just saying random stuff, reposting facts (however aLive didn't play MVP in previous code S) and saying stupid shit like "there is absolutely no doubt" Are German people generally this stupid?
I really agree with Grovbolle. Saying this "absolutely no doubt" calls for bash.
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So many saying Mvp didnt play aLive, they played in GSL Nov.
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On April 17 2012 21:39 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 17 2012 21:00 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:56 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:50 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:44 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:40 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:34 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:32 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:28 rothsbury wrote:
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I wasn't talking about the alive thing at all, just arguing that you can't say that a win is never based on luck (I guess that's what meant by nothing "iffy") just because it is against code S / code A players. Just stop trying. Some ignorant people just cant make a distinction between being really good and having good results. Alive isn't really good like MKP. He is good, of similar caliber like other good korean terrans such as Ryung, Supernova etc. But he isn't the kind of player you expect to see dominate code S. He is the kidn of player who constantly have to work to just stay in code S. People like you kind of piss me off, what would you rather: Be "good" in your definition, or have good results? I am not saying aLive is the best T in the world, but he has good results. I do know what the difference is, like yellow in BW, he was fucking good, but never won a gold. But which is actually better? Why do you think the discussion is about what I rather want? This discussion is about being good, not about results, as results vary a lot in the short term. LEsser skilled players can often times get better results in a few tournaments even if they are 10% worse than other players. However long termish we can expect the best players to get best results. But of course if you dont play the game at a decent level your self, you can't really determine who is good/really good/mediocore, and your best bet is too look at results. Wow, what a delicate way to say that you know better than me. Even if this discussion is about being good, instead of producing results, who do you rate as the best? He who wins the most shit, or he who has more of this "skill" that everyone talks about. I can appreciate some players who are extremely good but never actually win the big finals (yellow), but in the end, those who win are the ones who win. Not those who are good. Because thats a totally different situation. Do I want to be someone who got lucky and won a million through gambling, or a hardworking man who "only" has won half a million? Its a compltetely pointless discussion, but I know that in the future we can expect the hardworking man to do better than the lucky gambler. And this is probably what you miss. There is no kind of (unexplainable) secret that has yielded Alive better results (and Ryung worse results). Its mostly due to variance (+ not having pariticapted in the right tournaments). ANd if you think there is some kind of "secret" that can explain why Ryung is doing worse than Alive, then it can be attributed to decision making/strategy/mechanicas/mentaliity that is a part of being good. So what is you point? aLive just got lucky and beat MMA, MVP, DRG, NESTEA, MC, MKP etc? Or was he good? Which is why he has gotten results? Also what you want is not the point, I believe just as much as the next guy that hard work > luck. But in a game based a lot on luck, there is bound to be some variations, however IM_MVP was pretty good for a long time, was he just lucky a long time in a row? Walking away from this discussion now. Please take a statistic class. You dont understand how variance works. in this Stats Class you are recommending make sure it covers this LAW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbersi remember 2 years ago on "another RTS Fan site" people insisting HuK got "lucky" to win 3 $100 CraftCups in a row. That many of his wins were "pure luck" based upon "gamble builds". Look at the guys he beat in the final few rounds of those $100 events. With two years of historical data to now examine ... would you say HuK was lucky or would you say he is the better player? Same logic applies here. As the victories pile up it'll become harder and harder for this "it was pure luck" talk to withstand any common sense scrutiny. The thing is, even though you may understand the "law of large numbers" in a nutshell, then its easy for me to see that on the way you try to simplifiy things (black/white), you dont understand statistics (especially since there is essiantelly no doubt that Huk had positive variance on his side to win 3 craftcups - though he probably was the best player at that time).
Who cares if some guy has the same levl of understanding of statistics as you. This isn't a math forum, this is a starcraft2 forum, and it's pretty obvious you are simply arguing about nothing for the sake of it.
I do know however that you are trying to apply your statistics skills to a place where they don't fit. Who cares if aLive is performing "above his mean" results-wise. That's what happen when you improve... Should we fault players for improving? Should we ignore players who didn't start out being the best?
How dare he not win tournaments for a year and then suddenly start to melt face?! It ruins my system!!
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On April 17 2012 21:47 mycro wrote:
So many saying Mvp didnt play aLive, they played in GSL Nov.
They played a single game, which Mvp won.
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On April 17 2012 21:46 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:46 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 17 2012 21:39 opterown wrote:On April 17 2012 21:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 17 2012 21:25 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:18 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 21:07 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:00 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:56 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:50 Hider wrote:
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Because thats a totally different situation. Do I want to be someone who got lucky and won a million through gambling, or a hardworking man who "only" has won half a million?
Its a compltetely pointless discussion, but I know that in the future we can expect the hardworking man to do better than the lucky gambler.
And this is probably what you miss. There is no kind of (unexplainable) secret that has yielded Alive better results (and Ryung worse results). Its mostly due to variance (+ not having pariticapted in the right tournaments).
ANd if you think there is some kind of "secret" that can explain why Ryung is doing worse than Alive, then it can be attributed to decision making/strategy/mechanicas/mentaliity that is a part of being good.
So what is you point? aLive just got lucky and beat MMA, MVP, DRG, NESTEA, MC, MKP etc? Or was he good? Which is why he has gotten results? Also what you want is not the point, I believe just as much as the next guy that hard work > luck. But in a game based a lot on luck, there is bound to be some variations, however IM_MVP was pretty good for a long time, was he just lucky a long time in a row? Walking away from this discussion now. Please take a statistic class. You dont understand how variance works. Ohh I waited for this, since you are Danish I am sure you will be able to understand this: NB: Videnskabsteori og metode II = Kvantitativ metode/statistik III So if you understand variance, then can you now tell me if its possible for observatations over a short sample size to go above the mean? Does that mean that the obersavations are of higher value or any different from the mean? Lets say we have some expert on the field who are able to esimate what the mean most likely is, and they estimate that the oberserved values are above the mean due to randomness. But they estimate that in the future these observed values will return to the mean. Does that make sense to you? And why cant you see that this is what I just did? Or will you try to argue that it is impossible for any starcraft player to try and estimate the "mean", and that the observed values give a better indication of the true mean than the estimations of the experts? Of course that makes sense to me, but who has established this "mean", because right now we are just arguing whether or not aLive's recent performances has been higher than his "mean" skill level?? I do understand your point, you say/think aLive's mean is lower than the last couple of observations/manifestations of this skill. So yes, it is possible for a worse player to play over his "mean" for an extended period of time. However playing above your skill level/mean in crunch situations, does that not make you a better player, even though more volatile.? gosh, are danish ppl generally dumb? just gonna repost facts aLive > MVP (previous Code S) > MMA (previous Code S) > PuMa (IPL qualifier) > DRG (IPL qualifier) > MKP (IPL) > Polt (IPL) > NesTea (IPL) > Leenock (Iron Squid) > MC (Iron Squid) 65% against Code S players in 2012 - highest since MVP There is absolutely no doubt, aLive is easily the best player in the world right now. Bye mvp never played alive. i'm also pretty sure mkp has a better record this year than alive too "The fact that aLive is in Code A at all is a mystery. After his championship at IPL4, there's no doubt that he's a top three player in the world. His win rate in 2012 is over 65%, with most of his games against Code S class opposition in a couple hundred games. The last player to achieve that kind of statistical feat was IMMvp in the very midst of his prime". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329665wow, u made it quite easy for me. maybe u should actually read this very same page sometimes. article is an opinion piece, please do your own research mkp's win rate, this, year, for your information, is well over 70%. including a positive head-to-head against alive.
share source of info pls, with link or never happened / MKP fanboy wish
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On April 17 2012 21:47 mycro wrote:
So many saying Mvp didnt play aLive, they played in GSL Nov.
So many people saying MVP didn't play aLive in last code S (which is NOT GSL Nov.)
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On April 17 2012 21:49 Severian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:47 mycro wrote:
So many saying Mvp didnt play aLive, they played in GSL Nov. They played a single game, which Mvp won.
I know, but once is more than never.
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On April 17 2012 21:49 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:47 mycro wrote:
So many saying Mvp didnt play aLive, they played in GSL Nov. So many people saying MVP didn't play aLive in last code S (which is NOT GSL Nov.)
previous != last.
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On April 17 2012 21:50 mycro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:49 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:47 mycro wrote:
So many saying Mvp didnt play aLive, they played in GSL Nov. So many people saying MVP didn't play aLive in last code S (which is NOT GSL Nov.) previous != last.
last = last finished code S
but w/e :D
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On April 17 2012 21:39 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 17 2012 21:00 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:56 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:50 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:44 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:40 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:34 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 20:32 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:28 rothsbury wrote:
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I wasn't talking about the alive thing at all, just arguing that you can't say that a win is never based on luck (I guess that's what meant by nothing "iffy") just because it is against code S / code A players. Just stop trying. Some ignorant people just cant make a distinction between being really good and having good results. Alive isn't really good like MKP. He is good, of similar caliber like other good korean terrans such as Ryung, Supernova etc. But he isn't the kind of player you expect to see dominate code S. He is the kidn of player who constantly have to work to just stay in code S. People like you kind of piss me off, what would you rather: Be "good" in your definition, or have good results? I am not saying aLive is the best T in the world, but he has good results. I do know what the difference is, like yellow in BW, he was fucking good, but never won a gold. But which is actually better? Why do you think the discussion is about what I rather want? This discussion is about being good, not about results, as results vary a lot in the short term. LEsser skilled players can often times get better results in a few tournaments even if they are 10% worse than other players. However long termish we can expect the best players to get best results. But of course if you dont play the game at a decent level your self, you can't really determine who is good/really good/mediocore, and your best bet is too look at results. Wow, what a delicate way to say that you know better than me. Even if this discussion is about being good, instead of producing results, who do you rate as the best? He who wins the most shit, or he who has more of this "skill" that everyone talks about. I can appreciate some players who are extremely good but never actually win the big finals (yellow), but in the end, those who win are the ones who win. Not those who are good. Because thats a totally different situation. Do I want to be someone who got lucky and won a million through gambling, or a hardworking man who "only" has won half a million? Its a compltetely pointless discussion, but I know that in the future we can expect the hardworking man to do better than the lucky gambler. And this is probably what you miss. There is no kind of (unexplainable) secret that has yielded Alive better results (and Ryung worse results). Its mostly due to variance (+ not having pariticapted in the right tournaments). ANd if you think there is some kind of "secret" that can explain why Ryung is doing worse than Alive, then it can be attributed to decision making/strategy/mechanicas/mentaliity that is a part of being good. So what is you point? aLive just got lucky and beat MMA, MVP, DRG, NESTEA, MC, MKP etc? Or was he good? Which is why he has gotten results? Also what you want is not the point, I believe just as much as the next guy that hard work > luck. But in a game based a lot on luck, there is bound to be some variations, however IM_MVP was pretty good for a long time, was he just lucky a long time in a row? Walking away from this discussion now. Please take a statistic class. You dont understand how variance works. in this Stats Class you are recommending make sure it covers this LAW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbersi remember 2 years ago on "another RTS Fan site" people insisting HuK got "lucky" to win 3 $100 CraftCups in a row. That many of his wins were "pure luck" based upon "gamble builds". Look at the guys he beat in the final few rounds of those $100 events. With two years of historical data to now examine ... would you say HuK was lucky or would you say he is the better player? Same logic applies here. As the victories pile up it'll become harder and harder for this "it was pure luck" talk to withstand any common sense scrutiny. The thing is, even though you may understand the "law of large numbers" in a nutshell, then its easy for me to see that on the way you try to simplifiy things (black/white), you dont understand statistics (especially since there is essiantelly no doubt that Huk had positive variance on his side to win 3 craftcups - though he probably was the best player at that time).
people use complex goobledygook to try to obfuscate simple facts.
in order to "believe" in your perspective requires twisting my mind into a pretzel of rationalizations, therefore, i'm providing a simple case.
Statistics is a branch of mathematics.
my education and knowledge of math and statistics is solid. 2 years of hard core math and 3 hard core stats courses taking engineering in a place
that hands out Bachelor of Mathematics and produces associate Actuaries annually.
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On April 17 2012 21:49 SilentBonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:46 opterown wrote:On April 17 2012 21:46 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 17 2012 21:39 opterown wrote:On April 17 2012 21:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 17 2012 21:25 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:18 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 21:07 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:00 Hider wrote:On April 17 2012 20:56 Grovbolle wrote:
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So what is you point?
aLive just got lucky and beat MMA, MVP, DRG, NESTEA, MC, MKP etc?
Or was he good? Which is why he has gotten results?
Also what you want is not the point, I believe just as much as the next guy that hard work > luck.
But in a game based a lot on luck, there is bound to be some variations, however IM_MVP was pretty good for a long time, was he just lucky a long time in a row?
Walking away from this discussion now. Please take a statistic class. You dont understand how variance works. Ohh I waited for this, since you are Danish I am sure you will be able to understand this: NB: Videnskabsteori og metode II = Kvantitativ metode/statistik III So if you understand variance, then can you now tell me if its possible for observatations over a short sample size to go above the mean? Does that mean that the obersavations are of higher value or any different from the mean? Lets say we have some expert on the field who are able to esimate what the mean most likely is, and they estimate that the oberserved values are above the mean due to randomness. But they estimate that in the future these observed values will return to the mean. Does that make sense to you? And why cant you see that this is what I just did? Or will you try to argue that it is impossible for any starcraft player to try and estimate the "mean", and that the observed values give a better indication of the true mean than the estimations of the experts? Of course that makes sense to me, but who has established this "mean", because right now we are just arguing whether or not aLive's recent performances has been higher than his "mean" skill level?? I do understand your point, you say/think aLive's mean is lower than the last couple of observations/manifestations of this skill. So yes, it is possible for a worse player to play over his "mean" for an extended period of time. However playing above your skill level/mean in crunch situations, does that not make you a better player, even though more volatile.? gosh, are danish ppl generally dumb? just gonna repost facts aLive > MVP (previous Code S) > MMA (previous Code S) > PuMa (IPL qualifier) > DRG (IPL qualifier) > MKP (IPL) > Polt (IPL) > NesTea (IPL) > Leenock (Iron Squid) > MC (Iron Squid) 65% against Code S players in 2012 - highest since MVP There is absolutely no doubt, aLive is easily the best player in the world right now. Bye mvp never played alive. i'm also pretty sure mkp has a better record this year than alive too "The fact that aLive is in Code A at all is a mystery. After his championship at IPL4, there's no doubt that he's a top three player in the world. His win rate in 2012 is over 65%, with most of his games against Code S class opposition in a couple hundred games. The last player to achieve that kind of statistical feat was IMMvp in the very midst of his prime". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329665wow, u made it quite easy for me. maybe u should actually read this very same page sometimes. article is an opinion piece, please do your own research mkp's win rate, this, year, for your information, is well over 70%. including a positive head-to-head against alive. share source of info pls, with link or never happened / MKP fanboy wish
+ Show Spoiler + 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Happy Win
IPL4 aLive Loss
IPL4 aLive Win
IPL4 aLive Loss
IPL4 MMA Win
IPL4 MMA Win
2012 GSTL Season 1 Daybreak Bomber Win
12-03-23 2012 MLG Winter: C.. ThorZaIN Win
12-03-23 2012 MLG Winter: C.. ThorZaIN Win
12-03-23 2012 MLG Winter: C.. Entombed Valley GanZi Win
12-03-23 2012 MLG Winter: C.. Shakuras Plateau.. GanZi Loss
12-03-23 2012 MLG Winter: C.. Dual Sight 1.1 GanZi Win
12-03-11 2012 Iron Squid Antiga Shipyard .. BoxeR Win
12-03-11 2012 Iron Squid Dual Sight 1.1 BoxeR Win
12-03-11 2012 Iron Squid Tal'Darim A.. BoxeR Loss
12-03-08 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Tal'Darim A.. Jjakji Loss
12-03-07 2012 Iron Squid Antiga Shipyard .. PuMa Win
12-03-07 2012 Iron Squid Dual Sight 1.1 PuMa Win
12-03-07 2012 Iron Squid ESV Cloud Kingdom PuMa Loss
12-02-28 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Tal'Darim A.. Bomber Loss
12-02-18 2012 GSTL Season 1 ESV Cloud Kingdom Jjakji Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Bel'Shir Be.. Jjakji Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Daybreak Jjakji Loss
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Antiga Shipyard .. Jjakji Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Dual Sight 1.1 Jjakji Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Antiga Shipyard .. Polt Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Tal'Darim A.. Polt Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Dual Sight 1.1 Polt Win
12-02-06 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 GanZi Win
12-02-06 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Shakuras Plateau.. GanZi Win
12-02-05 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Daybreak SuperNoVa Win
12-02-05 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 SuperNoVa Loss
12-02-05 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Metalopolis 1.2 SuperNoVa Loss
12-02-05 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Tal'Darim A.. SuperNoVa Win
12-02-04 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Shakuras Plateau.. SuperNoVa Win
12-02-04 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Entombed Valley SuperNoVa Win
12-02-02 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Atlantis Spaceship Happy Win
12-01-30 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Antiga Shipyard .. Hoon Win
12-01-29 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Metropolis Keen Win
12-01-29 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Crossfire SE 1.1 Dream Win
12-01-28 FXO Invitational #5 Antiga Shipyard .. Polt Loss
12-01-28 FXO Invitational #5 Bel'Shir Be.. Polt Loss
12-01-18 2012 GSL S1 Code S Dual Sight 1.1 aLive Win
12-01-18 2012 GSL S1 Code S ESV Cloud Kingdom aLive Win
12-01-18 2012 GSL S1 Code S Daybreak IMHappy Win
12-01-18 2012 GSL S1 Code S Antiga Shipyard .. IMHappy Win
12-01-02 AoL: King of Kongs Metropolis TOP Win
12-01-02 AoL: King of Kongs Dual Sight 1.1 TOP Win
34-12: 74%
2012 Iron Squid Symbol Loss
2012 Iron Squid Symbol Loss
2012 Iron Squid Symbol Loss
2012 KSL Team Leag.. LosirA Loss
2012 GSTL Season 1 Dual Sight 1.1 Curious Win
IPL4 Curious Win
IPL4 Curious Loss
IPL4 Curious Win
IPL4 Stephano Win
IPL4 Stephano Loss
IPL4 Stephano Win
12-04-01 2012 GSTL Season 1 Bel'Shir Be.. Leenock Win
12-03-28 2012 GSL S2 Code S Daybreak July Win
12-03-28 2012 GSL S2 Code S Entombed Valley July Win
12-03-28 2012 GSL S2 Code S Metropolis July Loss
12-03-28 2012 GSL S2 Code S Atlantis Spaceship Zenio Win
12-03-28 2012 GSL S2 Code S Daybreak Zenio Win
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. DongRaeGu Win
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. DongRaeGu Win
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. DongRaeGu Win
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. DongRaeGu Loss
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. DongRaeGu Win
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. DongRaeGu Loss
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. DongRaeGu Win
12-03-24 2012 MLG Winter: C.. CrazymoviNG Win
12-03-24 2012 MLG Winter: C.. CrazymoviNG Win
12-03-18 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Dual Sight 1.1 Monster Loss
12-03-11 2012 Iron Squid Dual Sight 1.1 Ret Win
12-03-11 2012 Iron Squid Bel'Shir Be.. Ret Win
12-03-10 2012 GSTL Season 1 Calm Before the .. Curious Loss
12-03-08 2012 IPL Team Aren.. The Shattered Te.. Seal Win
12-02-28 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Atlantis Spaceship July Win
12-02-26 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Antiga Shipyard .. DongRaeGu Win
12-02-26 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Metalopolis 1.2 DongRaeGu Win
12-02-26 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Entombed Valley DongRaeGu Win
12-02-26 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Shakuras Plateau.. DongRaeGu Loss
12-02-26 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Daybreak DongRaeGu Loss
12-02-26 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 DongRaeGu Win
12-02-25 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Daybreak viOLet Win
12-02-25 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 viOLet Win
12-02-24 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Antiga Shipyard .. LosirA Win
12-02-24 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Metalopolis 1.2 LosirA Loss
12-02-24 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 LosirA Win
12-02-18 2012 GSTL Season 1 Bel'Shir Be.. Seal Win
12-02-14 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Antiga Shipyard .. TLO Loss
12-02-14 2012 IPL Team Aren.. ESV Sanshorn Mis.. Zenio Win
12-02-14 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Atlantis Spaceship Sheth Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Tal'Darim A.. DongRaeGu Loss
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Bel'Shir Be.. DongRaeGu Loss
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Dual Sight 1.1 DongRaeGu Loss
12-02-11 FXO Invitational #5 Dual Sight 1.1 RevivaL Win
12-02-11 FXO Invitational #5 Bel'Shir Be.. RevivaL Win
12-02-09 2012 GSL S1 Code S Antiga Shipyard .. DongRaeGu Loss
12-02-09 2012 GSL S1 Code S Daybreak DongRaeGu Loss
12-02-06 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Tal'Darim A.. LosirA Loss
12-02-06 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Shakuras Plateau.. LosirA Win
12-02-06 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Antiga Shipyard .. LosirA Loss
12-02-05 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 LosirA Loss
12-02-05 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Daybreak LosirA Loss
12-02-05 FXO Invitational #5 Tal'Darim A.. Leenock Win
12-02-05 FXO Invitational #5 Dual Sight 1.1 Leenock Win
12-02-04 FXO Invitational #5 Antiga Shipyard .. XiGua Win
12-02-04 FXO Invitational #5 Dual Sight 1.1 XiGua Win
12-01-30 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Daybreak Seal Win
12-01-29 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Metropolis DongRaeGu Loss
12-01-29 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Daybreak Monster Win
12-01-18 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Metropolis Leenock Win
12-01-15 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Calm Before the .. True Win
12-01-15 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Crossfire SE 1.1 True Win
12-01-15 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Metropolis True Loss
12-01-15 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Daybreak True Win
12-01-15 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Dual Sight 1.1 True Win
12-01-15 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Bel'Shir Be.. True Loss
12-01-14 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Antiga Shipyard .. Monster Win
12-01-14 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Daybreak Monster Loss
12-01-14 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Bel'Shir Be.. Monster Win
12-01-14 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Dual Sight 1.1 Monster Win
12-01-14 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Crossfire SE 1.1 Monster Loss
12-01-13 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Dual Sight 1.1 LosirA Win
12-01-13 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Bel'Shir Be.. LosirA Loss
12-01-13 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. ESV Cloud Kingdom LosirA Win
12-01-13 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Antiga Shipyard .. LosirA Win
12-01-10 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Bel'Shir Be.. Life Win
12-01-10 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Daybreak Life Win
12-01-08 HSC #4 Antiga Shipyard .. viOLet Loss
12-01-08 HSC #4 Bel'Shir Be.. viOLet Win
12-01-08 HSC #4 Terminus RE 1.1 viOLet Loss
12-01-08 HSC #4 Dual Sight 1.1 viOLet Loss
12-01-08 HSC #4 Shakuras Plateau.. viOLet Win
12-01-07 HSC #4 Antiga Shipyard .. Stephano Win
12-01-07 HSC #4 The Shattered Te.. Stephano Win
12-01-05 HSC #4 Antiga Shipyard .. viOLet Win
12-01-05 HSC #4 Dual Sight 1.1 viOLet Win
12-01-05 HSC #4 Metalopolis 1.1 Delphi Loss
12-01-05 HSC #4 Dual Sight 1.1 Delphi Win
12-01-05 HSC #4 The Shattered Te.. Delphi Loss
12-01-04 AoL: King of Kongs Antiga Shipyard .. DongRaeGu Loss
12-01-04 AoL: King of Kongs Entombed Valley DongRaeGu Loss
12-01-04 AoL: King of Kongs Bel'Shir Be.. DongRaeGu Loss
12-01-04 AoL: King of Kongs Metropolis DongRaeGu Win
12-01-02 AoL: King of Kongs Daybreak Leenock Win
12-01-02 AoL: King of Kongs Dual Sight 1.1 Leenock Win
12-01-02 AoL: King of Kongs Bel'Shir Be.. Leenock Loss
12-01-02 AoL: King of Kongs Dual Sight 1.1 LosirA Loss
12-01-02 AoL: King of Kongs ESV Cloud Kingdom LosirA Loss
64-41: 61%
2012 KSL Team Leag.. Seed Win
IPL4 Squirtle Loss
IPL4 Squirtle Loss
2012 GSTL Season 1 Squirtle Win
2012 GSTL Season 1 PartinG Win
IPL4 JYP Win
IPL4 JYP Win
IPL4 JYP Loss
IPL4 White-Ra Win
IPL4 White-Ra Loss
IPL4 White-Ra Win
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. PartinG Win
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. Tal'Darim A.. PartinG Loss
12-03-25 2012 MLG Winter: C.. PartinG Win
12-03-23 2012 MLG Winter: C.. Tal'Darim A.. SaSe Win
12-03-23 2012 MLG Winter: C.. Dual Sight 1.1 SaSe Win
12-03-23 2012 MLG Winter: C.. Antiga Shipyard .. MC Win
12-03-23 2012 MLG Winter: C.. Entom12bed Valley MC Win
12-03-08 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Calm Before the .. Sage Win
12-03-04 2012 Iron Squid Antiga Shipyard .. ToD Win
12-03-04 2012 Iron Squid Daybreak ToD Win
12-03-02 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Shakuras Plateau.. Vines Loss
12-03-01 2012 GSL S1 Code A Dual Sight 1.1 SangHo Win
12-03-01 2012 GSL S1 Code A ESV Cloud Kingdom SangHo Loss
12-03-01 2012 GSL S1 Code A Bel'Shir Be.. SangHo Win
12-02-28 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Shakuras Plateau.. Squirtle Win
12-02-28 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Calm Before the .. PartinG Win
12-02-28 2012 IPL Team Aren.. The Shattered Te.. Tiger Win
12-02-26 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Metalopolis 1.2 HuK Win
12-02-26 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Antiga Shipyard .. HuK Win
12-02-25 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Tal'Darim A.. PartinG Win
12-02-25 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 PartinG Win
12-02-24 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 NaNiwa Win
12-02-24 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Shakuras Plateau.. NaNiwa Win
12-02-18 2012 GSTL Season 1 Entombed Valley Tassadar Win
12-02-18 2012 GSTL Season 1 Antiga Shipyard .. Sage Win
12-02-18 2012 GSTL Season 1 Dual Sight 1.1 San Win
12-02-14 2012 IPL Team Aren.. Calm Before the .. HerO Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Antiga Shipyard .. Puzzle Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Daybreak Puzzle Win
12-02-13 FXO Invitational #5 Dual Sight 1.1 Puzzle Win
12-02-11 FXO Invitational #5 Daybreak Oz Win
12-02-11 FXO Invitational #5 Antiga Shipyard .. Oz Loss
12-02-11 FXO Invitational #5 Bel'Shir Be.. Oz Win
12-02-09 2012 GSL S1 Code S Dual Sight 1.1 Genius Loss
12-02-09 2012 GSL S1 Code S Antiga Shipyard .. Genius Loss
12-02-09 2012 GSL S1 Code S Bel'Shir Be.. Genius Win
12-02-09 2012 GSL S1 Code S Daybreak Genius Win
12-02-09 2012 GSL S1 Code S Dual Sight 1.1 Genius Win
12-02-06 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Antiga Shipyard .. Oz Win
12-02-06 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 Oz Win
12-02-06 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Tal'Darim A.. Oz Loss
12-02-05 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Daybreak ToD Win
12-02-05 2012 MLG Winter Ar.. Dual Sight 1.1 ToD Win
12-01-30 2012 KSL Team Leag.. ESV Cloud Kingdom San Loss
12-01-29 2012 KSL Team Leag.. ESV Cloud Kingdom Vampire Win
12-01-21 FXO Invitational #5 Bel'Shir Be.. SaSe Win
12-01-21 FXO Invitational #5 Dual Sight 1.1 SaSe Win
12-01-18 2012 KSL Team Leag.. Daybreak Choya Win
12-01-16 2012 IPL TAC2 Qual.. Terminus SE San Loss
12-01-12 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Bel'Shir Be.. finale Win
12-01-12 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Daybreak finale Loss
12-01-12 2012 KSL Grand Ope.. Dual Sight 1.1 finale Win
12-01-07 HSC #4 Terminus RE 1.1 MC Win
12-01-07 HSC #4 Daybreak MC Win
12-01-07 HSC #4 Terminus RE 1.1 Socke Win
12-01-07 HSC #4 Shakuras Plateau.. Socke Win
12-01-05 HSC #4 The Shattered Te.. HasuObs Win
12-01-05 HSC #4 Antiga Shipyard .. HasuObs Win
55-14: 80%
Sorry for the poor formatting, but here you go. Marineking's record this year is 70%. Symbol's thrashing didn't help, otherwise MKP would be higher than that yet.
also, people alive have fallen to:
nestea
tlo
catz
rain
violet
keen
san
pet
zenio
july
so he's not exactly unbeatable
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On April 17 2012 21:51 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:50 mycro wrote:On April 17 2012 21:49 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:47 mycro wrote:
So many saying Mvp didnt play aLive, they played in GSL Nov. So many people saying MVP didn't play aLive in last code S (which is NOT GSL Nov.) previous != last. last = last finished code S but w/e :D
Okej, I'll help you:
On April 17 2012 21:44 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
gosh, are danish ppl generally dumb?
just gonna repost facts
aLive
> MVP (previous Code S)
> MMA (previous Code S)
> PuMa (IPL qualifier)
> DRG (IPL qualifier)
> MKP (IPL)
> Polt (IPL)
> NesTea (IPL)
> Leenock (Iron Squid)
> MC (Iron Squid)
over 65% against Code S players in 2012 - highest since MVP
There is absolutely no doubt, aLive is easily the best player in the world right now.
Bye Also, me and Hider were discussing statistics, which we were both apparently pretty decent/good at, where as you are just saying random stuff, reposting facts (however aLive didn't play MVP in previous code S) and saying stupid shit like "there is absolutely no doubt" Are German people generally this stupid?
"but w/e :D"
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i'm sad for huk 
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On April 17 2012 21:54 mycro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:51 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:50 mycro wrote:On April 17 2012 21:49 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:47 mycro wrote:
So many saying Mvp didnt play aLive, they played in GSL Nov. So many people saying MVP didn't play aLive in last code S (which is NOT GSL Nov.) previous != last. last = last finished code S but w/e :D Okej, I'll help you: Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 21:44 Grovbolle wrote:On April 17 2012 21:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
gosh, are danish ppl generally dumb?
just gonna repost facts
aLive
> MVP (previous Code S)
> MMA (previous Code S)
> PuMa (IPL qualifier)
> DRG (IPL qualifier)
> MKP (IPL)
> Polt (IPL)
> NesTea (IPL)
> Leenock (Iron Squid)
> MC (Iron Squid)
over 65% against Code S players in 2012 - highest since MVP
There is absolutely no doubt, aLive is easily the best player in the world right now.
Bye Also, me and Hider were discussing statistics, which we were both apparently pretty decent/good at, where as you are just saying random stuff, reposting facts (however aLive didn't play MVP in previous code S) and saying stupid shit like "there is absolutely no doubt" Are German people generally this stupid? "but w/e :D"
Okay I get it, no you are right that:
last =! previous
But last finished code S = previous code S.
no?
And yes I used both words, but my intention was the same.
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the great thing about this "alive is lucky" p.o.v. is ... if he keeps on winning.. .all the guys saying "he got lucky" will then say "he practised a lot and improved over the last 6 months".
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