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On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote:
I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol
Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG
Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though.
Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL
Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match 
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On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote:
What? Games are already over?
I guess for racial balance it works out. But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament. While one might argue that if Symbol shines through and wins the tournament (haha, against Nestea), he will be gaining a big fanbase, it seems more likely he'll be treated in the same vain as Alive as he's a bit of a colorless dullard.
Me =)
Swarm needs some refinement and I've had my eye on Symbol ever since he played against IM in the GSTL.
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On April 16 2012 06:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote:
What? Games are already over?
I guess for racial balance it works out. But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament. While one might argue that if Symbol shines through and wins the tournament (haha, against Nestea), he will be gaining a big fanbase, it seems more likely he'll be treated in the same vain as Alive as he's a bit of a colorless dullard. Me =) Swarm needs some refinement and I've had my eye on Symbol ever since he played against IM in the GSTL.
me as well 
he is really good.
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Marineking aggressive almost every game...
But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok
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On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote:
Marineking aggressive almost every game...
But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok
its only cheese if the player is not a fan favorite.
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On April 16 2012 06:29 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote:
I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol
Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG
Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though.
Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL
Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2 so you are still don't underestimate Symbol. TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
this plus Symbol just proved he knows how to do his homework!
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I don't know what people have against cheese. Cheese games are so exciting to watch. Lots of tension, lots of uncertainty. Thats what makes a good spectacle.
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On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote:
Marineking aggressive almost every game...
But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok
Not saying MKP didn't cheese against Symbol or anything, but just generally speaking, you have to realize there is a difference between Zerg being aggresive vs Terran being aggresive.
When Terran does aggresive builds like 2 rax and bunker rush, all they're sacrificing is delaying their next CC by 150mineral or so; and even if they cut some SCVs to make it more aggressive, it means the zerg has to make extra lings/spines and pull more drones just to defend it. In the end, the Terran usually comes out equal footing economically, or ahead, and if Zerg messes up the defence, it's auto win.
On the other hand, when Zerg does aggressive builds, they are always trading drones and economy for it, always. And when Zerg is suppose to stay a base ahead of Terran and ahead of workers, these early aggression puts them at a much much bigger risk; and hence why people tend to call it cheesy.
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On April 16 2012 06:39 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote:
Marineking aggressive almost every game...
But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok Not saying MKP didn't cheese against Symbol or anything, but just generally speaking, you have to realize there is a difference between Zerg being aggresive vs Terran being aggresive. When Terran does aggresive builds like 2 rax and bunker rush, all they're sacrificing is delaying their next CC by 150mineral or so; and even if they cut some SCVs to make it more aggressive, it means the zerg has to make extra lings/spines and pull more drones just to defend it. In the end, the Terran usually comes out equal footing economically, or ahead, and if Zerg messes up the defence, it's auto win. On the other hand, when Zerg does aggressive builds, they are always trading drones and economy for it, always. And when Zerg is suppose to stay a base ahead of Terran and ahead of workers, these early aggression puts them at a much much bigger risk; and hence why people tend to call it cheesy.
nice double standard lol.
why do people bitch about cheese still. gosh its part of the game.
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On April 16 2012 06:42 aintz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:39 Fubi wrote:On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote:
Marineking aggressive almost every game...
But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok Not saying MKP didn't cheese against Symbol or anything, but just generally speaking, you have to realize there is a difference between Zerg being aggresive vs Terran being aggresive. When Terran does aggresive builds like 2 rax and bunker rush, all they're sacrificing is delaying their next CC by 150mineral or so; and even if they cut some SCVs to make it more aggressive, it means the zerg has to make extra lings/spines and pull more drones just to defend it. In the end, the Terran usually comes out equal footing economically, or ahead, and if Zerg messes up the defence, it's auto win. On the other hand, when Zerg does aggressive builds, they are always trading drones and economy for it, always. And when Zerg is suppose to stay a base ahead of Terran and ahead of workers, these early aggression puts them at a much much bigger risk; and hence why people tend to call it cheesy. nice double standard lol. why do people bitch about cheese still. gosh its part of the game.
i dont know why peoples bitching about this.
if defending MKP's early pressures and beating MKP with roach/bling is that easy, WHY DRG/LEENOCK OR JULY losing every single time against MKP?
its just Symbol played better than him, its not hard to understand.
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On April 16 2012 06:42 aintz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:39 Fubi wrote:On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote:
Marineking aggressive almost every game...
But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok Not saying MKP didn't cheese against Symbol or anything, but just generally speaking, you have to realize there is a difference between Zerg being aggresive vs Terran being aggresive. When Terran does aggresive builds like 2 rax and bunker rush, all they're sacrificing is delaying their next CC by 150mineral or so; and even if they cut some SCVs to make it more aggressive, it means the zerg has to make extra lings/spines and pull more drones just to defend it. In the end, the Terran usually comes out equal footing economically, or ahead, and if Zerg messes up the defence, it's auto win. On the other hand, when Zerg does aggressive builds, they are always trading drones and economy for it, always. And when Zerg is suppose to stay a base ahead of Terran and ahead of workers, these early aggression puts them at a much much bigger risk; and hence why people tend to call it cheesy. nice double standard lol. why do people bitch about cheese still. gosh its part of the game.
I don't understand why that is double standard, I clearly explained the difference. And I'm not complaining about cheese, there's definitely nothing wrong with it, and yes people need to stfu about symbol cheesing.
But I was just merely replying to people saying Terran's pressure builds are the same as cheese, when it's not, it's just the difference in race mechanics that allows Terran to do that and almost never be behind economically afterward, while it's completely different for Zerg.
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A few months ago whenever you saw a zerg try to do an all in on MKP, he always deflected it it like it was absolutely nothing, these days it seems like the only player who has beaten MKP in a macro game was PartinG on Tal'darim Altar at MLG Winter Champ.
I think MKP needs to really train against all in / cheese attacks, it seems to be all thats really keeping him back, if you look at IPL, versus aLive, 2 proxy marauders and squirtle was 2 base attacks with no intention of a 3rd.
Feels like he just wanna get into a later game scenario, but Symbol studied him, figured out he was weak to those attacks, and took advantage of it.
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On April 16 2012 06:45 Hiea wrote:
A few months ago whenever you saw a zerg try to do an all in on MKP, he always deflected it it like it was absolutely nothing, these days it seems like the only player who has beaten MKP in a macro game was PartinG on Tal'darim Altar at MLG Winter Champ.
I think MKP needs to really train against all in / cheese attacks, it seems to be all thats really keeping him back, if you look at IPL, versus aLive, 2 proxy marauders and squirtle was 2 base attacks with no intention of a 3rd.
Feels like he just wanna get into a later game scenario, but Symbol studied him, figured out he was weak to those attacks, and took advantage of it.
You mean scouting it....he doesnt need to train vs cheese he can hold it off he just doesnt know its coming everytime
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On April 16 2012 06:11 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression. Lol fucking symbol and his cheese can't win a standard macro game like MKP. fun day.
MarineKing can't choose a safe opener, complain more.
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On April 16 2012 06:57 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:45 Hiea wrote:
A few months ago whenever you saw a zerg try to do an all in on MKP, he always deflected it it like it was absolutely nothing, these days it seems like the only player who has beaten MKP in a macro game was PartinG on Tal'darim Altar at MLG Winter Champ.
I think MKP needs to really train against all in / cheese attacks, it seems to be all thats really keeping him back, if you look at IPL, versus aLive, 2 proxy marauders and squirtle was 2 base attacks with no intention of a 3rd.
Feels like he just wanna get into a later game scenario, but Symbol studied him, figured out he was weak to those attacks, and took advantage of it. You mean scouting it....he doesnt need to train vs cheese he can hold it off he just doesnt know its coming everytime
If he's gonna try and follow up every early aggression/cheese/whatever you want to call it when double CC every time, the least he can do is try and scout to make sure he doesn't get all inned while he's weak.
Symbol took a gamble that MKP was going to try and be super greedy behind the aggression and he got it right both times. MKP just played a bit too risky against an opponent who wasn't afraid to take his own risks.
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On April 16 2012 06:59 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:11 Jisall wrote:On April 16 2012 06:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression. Lol fucking symbol and his cheese can't win a standard macro game like MKP. fun day. MarineKing can't choose a safe opener, complain more.
/sarcasm.
Just fucking around. People all heated and shit.
It kinda reminds me of when a foreigner wins a series off a korean, like Thorzain Alicia yesterday.
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On April 16 2012 08:23 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:59 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 16 2012 06:11 Jisall wrote:On April 16 2012 06:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression. Lol fucking symbol and his cheese can't win a standard macro game like MKP. fun day. MarineKing can't choose a safe opener, complain more. /sarcasm. Just fucking around. People all heated and shit. It kinda reminds me of when a foreigner wins a series off a korean, like Thorzain Alicia yesterday.
Thorzain plays TvP exactly like (and as well as) a Korean. People shouldn't be surprised when he takes games off them in that matchup.
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On April 16 2012 08:30 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 08:23 Jisall wrote:On April 16 2012 06:59 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 16 2012 06:11 Jisall wrote:On April 16 2012 06:07 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression. Lol fucking symbol and his cheese can't win a standard macro game like MKP. fun day. MarineKing can't choose a safe opener, complain more. /sarcasm. Just fucking around. People all heated and shit. It kinda reminds me of when a foreigner wins a series off a korean, like Thorzain Alicia yesterday. Thorzain plays TvP exactly like (and as well as) a Korean. People shouldn't be surprised when he takes games off them in that matchup.
Thorzain is a beast. I still remember his Thor builds in TSL3. Guy broke the game.
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On April 16 2012 06:29 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote:
I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol
Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG
Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though.
Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL
Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2 so you are still don't underestimate Symbol. TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
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On April 16 2012 10:51 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 06:29 dragonborn wrote:On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote:
I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol
Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG
Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though.
Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL
Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2 so you are still don't underestimate Symbol. TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
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