With aLive – MC, this serie was supposed to be the tighter. aLive defeated MC in a highly tense Bo5 as the Protoss made the comeback from 0-2 to 2-2, which that NesTea can feel the pressure of the whole world not wanting four Terrans in the semifinals. NesTea has been quite hard to predict lately, he was pretty off the radar before playing very good in IPL4 but fell to Virus in GSL Code S which is worth concerns before facing Jjakji. The Terran has an amazing TvZ and he prouved it by defeating Leenock to win his GSL title. NesTea has to bring his A game to beat Jjakji, he has no choice, and even with his best ZvT, that might be difficult for the god of Zerg, time to show he is still a genius.
Prime MarineKing VS TSL Symbol
MarineKing is arguably the best player in the world right now, and is obviously a favorite when facing Symbol. Symbol is the success story of this Iron Squid. He came all the way from the qualifiers and managed to get through his group taking the spot that was expected to be Mvp’s thanks to a better map average. Symbol has the advantage of having no pressure on him. If the Zerg loses to MKP, well it will be “normal” as even DRG loses to MKP. But if he manages to beat the Prime player, Symbol’s story will keep on growing and he will travel to Paris with the label of giants’ killer. Nevertheless it is a long way before beating MKP, Symbol will have a hard time tonight.
Wow tough road for Nestea. Could potentially face Jjakji, MKP, and MMA, the three best TvZ'ers out there. Hope he can pull through, would love Nestea vs MMA final!
On April 13 2012 06:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Super stoked for this! MC vs. Puma possibility in round of four, although MMA is more likely to beat Puma.
MC vs. MMA and Nestea vs. MKP hopefully... and then I'm just hoping for a non- TvT finals 5/8 are Terran...
We can't in LIVE because we talked with GSL, and they have matches scheduled this weekend.
On April 13 2012 06:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Super stoked for this! MC vs. Puma possibility in round of four, although MMA is more likely to beat Puma.
MC vs. MMA and Nestea vs. MKP hopefully... and then I'm just hoping for a non- TvT finals 5/8 are Terran...
We can't in LIVE because we talked with GSL, and they have matches scheduled this weekend.
On April 13 2012 06:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Super stoked for this! MC vs. Puma possibility in round of four, although MMA is more likely to beat Puma.
MC vs. MMA and Nestea vs. MKP hopefully... and then I'm just hoping for a non- TvT finals 5/8 are Terran...
We can't in LIVE because we talked with GSL, and they have matches scheduled this weekend.
On April 13 2012 06:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Super stoked for this! MC vs. Puma possibility in round of four, although MMA is more likely to beat Puma.
MC vs. MMA and Nestea vs. MKP hopefully... and then I'm just hoping for a non- TvT finals 5/8 are Terran...
We can't in LIVE because we talked with GSL, and they have matches scheduled this weekend.
Sorry for it.
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Okay...
Cast will be LIVE.
Okay. I don't really understand why you're telling me this though or writing some words in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS
On April 13 2012 06:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Super stoked for this! MC vs. Puma possibility in round of four, although MMA is more likely to beat Puma.
MC vs. MMA and Nestea vs. MKP hopefully... and then I'm just hoping for a non- TvT finals 5/8 are Terran...
We can't in LIVE because we talked with GSL, and they have matches scheduled this weekend.
Sorry for it.
???
Okay...
Cast will be LIVE.
Okay. I don't really understand why you're telling me this though or writing some words in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS
My Bad, I have the bad habit to write LIVE with capital letter, wasn't an aggression sorry :p
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
OK, I just have to call you out here. MMA is weakest vs T?? You're not the first person I've heard say this utter nonsense. It is public knowledge (to the rest of us at least) that MMA's weakest matchup is TvP, and the stats clearly support that. (Casters in GSL today said MMA's TvP was 47% + TLPD) And why on earth would you say that the guy who went 7:1 vs MVP in his prime has tvt as his weakest matchup?
On April 13 2012 05:45 Poopi wrote: Wow that means if MarineKing beats Symbol he goes to Paris? I'm sure gonna go here to watch it live if he manages to qualify :D
I must say I'm feeling pretty jealous right now :S :S :/
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA
You have never seen his TvP, have you?
i mean most recently head-to-head puma beat MMA but i trust MMA to take this one -_- i think
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
OK, I just have to call you out here. MMA is weakest vs T?? You're not the first person I've heard say this utter nonsense. It is public knowledge (to the rest of us at least) that MMA's weakest matchup is TvP, and the stats clearly support that. (Casters in GSL today said MMA's TvP was 47% + TLPD) And why on earth would you say that the guy who went 7:1 vs MVP in his prime has tvt as his weakest matchup?
.. please don't spread misinformation.
His most recent huge loses are vT actually. 2012 GSL Season 1, he lost to Alive 1-3. Then he lost in IEM Championships to Puma 1-3 as well. TLPD is on two separate levels(International, Korean - Results are 50/50), ALL T's are generally struggling vs P atm, so I still consider him currently weakest vs T. You make it sound like I'm trying to lie for no reason....I think its a matter of opinion ATM.
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
OK, I just have to call you out here. MMA is weakest vs T?? You're not the first person I've heard say this utter nonsense. It is public knowledge (to the rest of us at least) that MMA's weakest matchup is TvP, and the stats clearly support that. (Casters in GSL today said MMA's TvP was 47% + TLPD) And why on earth would you say that the guy who went 7:1 vs MVP in his prime has tvt as his weakest matchup?
.. please don't spread misinformation.
His most recent huge loses are vT actually. 2012 GSL Season 1, he lost to Alive 1-3. Then he lost in IEM Championships to Puma 1-3 as well. TLPD is on two separate levels(International, Korean - Results are 50/50), ALL T's are generally struggling vs P atm, so I still consider him currently weakest vs T. You make it sound like I'm trying to lie for no reason....I think its a matter of opinion ATM.
MMA already struggled vs P when other Terrans were nearly invincible against Protoss.
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
lol, I knew this would be the result when Iron Squid announced an extra set of 4 of all Korean players. The obvious conclusion when you have #Koreans>#Players is of course an all Korean playoffs.
I don't mind, but I know there will be complainers.
i would love an MMA/MC/NesTea/MKP semis in Paris. Would've liked an in-form Mvp over MMA, but MMA is cool too. Is this going to be two quarters per day then? Seeing as how it's over 2 days.
On April 13 2012 15:28 opterown wrote: i would love an MMA/MC/NesTea/MKP semis in Paris. Would've liked an in-form Mvp over MMA, but MMA is cool too. Is this going to be two quarters per day then? Seeing as how it's over 2 days.
MMA > PuMa. Mostly fanboyism, but it all depends on early-game control. If MMA and PuMa go into the mid/late-game relatively even, then MMA will win. If PuMa can do enough damage early game like he and MKP have done recently, then PuMa will most likely win. All of MMA's strats revolve around being super greedy in early game, which leaves him open to certain strategies, especially TvT, which PuMa will obviously try to punish. MC > Alive. Alive beat Squirtle, yeah, but MC is still the second best PvT player out there by a long shot. MC is also kind of immune to most early pressure attacks like the 2rax/banshee strats Alive pulled on Squirtle. Nestea > Jjakji. Most unpredictable, depends if Nestea is going to continue playing like he did in the early stages of IPL4. Jjakji looks really scary vs Z right now, but he's still super patient and relies on turtling, which i honestly feels plays right into the hands of most Zergs in the matchup right now MKP > Symbol. MKP is good vs Z. Not MMA level, but he can pretty much beat the same people. Symbol looked decent vs MMA and MVP in the early-game, but fell apart when the multitasking came in.
I dont understand this.. what happend to Stephano etc? As far as i know just the group playes have been showed so far.. with both stephano and nericho advancing? Is there something i have missed? Can't even find any updated vods anywhere...........
On April 13 2012 16:02 Rizell wrote: I dont understand this.. what happend to Stephano etc? As far as i know just the group playes have been showed so far.. with both stephano and nericho advancing? Is there something i have missed? Can't even find any updated vods anywhere...........
On April 13 2012 05:43 Jetaap wrote: Wow i didn't realize that the ironsquid was already purely korean...
People start to become somewhat good at the game, which means koreans have a way bigger advantage thanks to the fact that they actually practice, and not just mass ladder games or some shit. I can't really see much more then 1-2 foreigners doing well in competitions with a lot of koreans in them until hots sets everyone back and rapes the metagame.
I forgot which part of this was live, but I really hope that nestea/mc/mkp make it really far.
So much depends on Jjakji vs Nestea. If Nestea wins, MKP has a decent chance to take him because he has strong TvZ. If Jjakji wins, MKP would probably lose because his TvT is still pretty weak. And all that's assuming MKP beats symbol.
On April 13 2012 17:11 Yonnua wrote: So much depends on Jjakji vs Nestea. If Nestea wins, MKP has a decent chance to take him because he has strong TvZ. If Jjakji wins, MKP would probably lose because his TvT is still pretty weak. And all that's assuming MKP beats symbol.
On April 13 2012 17:11 Yonnua wrote: So much depends on Jjakji vs Nestea. If Nestea wins, MKP has a decent chance to take him because he has strong TvZ. If Jjakji wins, MKP would probably lose because his TvT is still pretty weak. And all that's assuming MKP beats symbol.
On April 13 2012 16:02 Rizell wrote: I dont understand this.. what happend to Stephano etc? As far as i know just the group playes have been showed so far.. with both stephano and nericho advancing? Is there something i have missed? Can't even find any updated vods anywhere...........
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
On April 13 2012 06:34 Slardar wrote: Looks good........ sad that not a single foreigner made it to Ro8 for this tournament. We need to step up our game.
Nerchio was very close to make it though.
Yeah so was IdrA, if only Symbol lost another game. Either way the brackets are completely STACKED. You know it will be an amazing tournament if you have problems predicting what will happen.
Alive vs MC - Will be a tossup since Alive is playing so well currently, yet still the safer bet is President. Slight Adv MC MMA Vs Puma - MMA is weakest vs T but I think overall is a stronger player atm. Slight Adv MMA Nestea vs JJakJi - No one way to say it, this should be an intensely close fought battle. Slight Adv Nestea MKP vs Symbol - The easiest to place a bet on at the moment, MKPs TvZ is on fire. Still a few cheeses here and there could make it interesting. ADV MKP
On April 14 2012 04:10 Kraznaya wrote: I have an idea on some of the results, and they're not what you'd expect
This is even worse than a real spoiler :D Do you think, that we expect that MMA wins vs Puma? and MC vs alive? and so on... (Btw: I dont want an answer^^)
Are these live replay casts this weekend and not pre-rec? I don't really mind either way but I seem to recall there being some talk of that at least =)
On April 15 2012 03:05 Asha` wrote: Fuck yeah Iron Squid!
Are these live replay casts this weekend and not pre-rec? I don't really mind either way but I seem to recall there being some talk of that at least =)
Pretty sure they are cast from replays(Quite sure i saw the result of symbol/MKP and jjakji/nestea from their match histories at least)
On April 15 2012 03:05 Asha` wrote: Fuck yeah Iron Squid!
Are these live replay casts this weekend and not pre-rec? I don't really mind either way but I seem to recall there being some talk of that at least =)
Pretty sure they are cast from replays(Quite sure i saw the result of symbol/MKP and jjakji/nestea from their match histories at least)
I know they are replays.
I'm wondering if TB and Apollo are actually casting the replays live, or whether this is pre-recorded too ^^
On April 15 2012 03:05 Asha` wrote: Fuck yeah Iron Squid!
Are these live replay casts this weekend and not pre-rec? I don't really mind either way but I seem to recall there being some talk of that at least =)
Pretty sure they are cast from replays(Quite sure i saw the result of symbol/MKP and jjakji/nestea from their match histories at least)
I know they are replays.
I'm wondering if TB and Apollo are actually casting the replays live, or whether this is pre-recorded too ^^
Quite sure i saw it was live from replays, ill find source in a few mins cooking atm
On April 15 2012 03:13 Dekkers wrote: They are casting live IMO. Why would TB and Apollo wait for French casters? Live casting of replays.
Run the same games at the same moment
Yeah so that's what i am saying.
If this were pre recorded, they'll just have put the stream to start at 20h. The fact that they are waiting for other casters to run the games at the same time is the proof that it is live casting from replays.
On April 13 2012 06:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Super stoked for this! MC vs. Puma possibility in round of four, although MMA is more likely to beat Puma.
MC vs. MMA and Nestea vs. MKP hopefully... and then I'm just hoping for a non- TvT finals 5/8 are Terran...
We can't in LIVE because we talked with GSL, and they have matches scheduled this weekend.
lol MC, ups finishing in like 10 seconds and he engaged in a horrendous choke where not every unit could attack, even with losing those scvs, now aLive has a ridiculous upgrade lead AND vikings.
On April 15 2012 03:35 THM wrote: Sorry for maybe missing this but is this live or not? I tend to think it is live, as I don't see the end of the replay bar on the lower right.
3/3 vs 1/1 come on MC... if it weren't for Alive making a terrible mistake in not making Vikings for that engagement at MC's natural, MC would have died long before.
MC being MC, being cocky when ahead and staying when he's unwelcomed. Shoulda just when over around the third with better area to fight and take out the third instead trying to squeeze in that choke.
On April 15 2012 04:02 Schelim wrote: god damn it alive is so good but so frustrating/boring to watch lol. fellow terran player speaking here.
MC bring it back!!!
and lol @ incontrol pylon.
What´s difference in dullness between him and other Korean Terrans like Gumiho, Ryung, Teaja, Virus, Maru, TheSTC?
TheStC does pelvic thrusts.
that's one thing, but thestc tends to pull out more interesting builds than alive sometimes.
gumiho? you kiddin me? this guy is entertaining as hell to watch, drops all over the fuckin place at once and better controlled than the opponent can defend.
ryung and taeja are on slayers which makes me love them automatically. i kinda see your point though. EDIT: taeja does interesting stuff in tvt though and whatnot.
maru is like 15 and owning shit. i like every player where this applies (creator, leenock etc)
virus? i don't know. he was always that guy where it was funny that he was STILL in code S (him and inca), and then he won his code S group by beating MC and Nestea. but i haven't watched those games yet so i can't say anything about that guy.
On April 15 2012 04:02 Schelim wrote: god damn it alive is so good but so frustrating/boring to watch lol. fellow terran player speaking here.
MC bring it back!!!
and lol @ incontrol pylon.
What´s difference in dullness between him and other Korean Terrans like Gumiho, Ryung, Teaja, Virus, Maru, TheSTC?
Gumiho's always played some of the most innovative Terran styles, and he enjoys using heavy multitasking + has great micro. Didn't have many fans before playing such a close GSL semis with DRG.
Ryung is incredibly boring, don't think he has that many fans outside of being on SlayerS.
Taeja has some of the best micro on the planet. Even then he didn't have that many fans before joining Liquid.
Virus is fairly boring, has decent multitask but you won't find that many fans.
Maru is young and talented, that's why he gets attention.
TheStC has historically had some of the craziest harass builds, and was one of the big names in beta.
On April 15 2012 04:02 Schelim wrote: god damn it alive is so good but so frustrating/boring to watch lol. fellow terran player speaking here.
MC bring it back!!!
and lol @ incontrol pylon.
What´s difference in dullness between him and other Korean Terrans like Gumiho, Ryung, Teaja, Virus, Maru, TheSTC?
Completely different players.. Of that list the only one as boring as aLive is probably Ryung.
Are you kidding lol? Ryung is the fucking boss of the SlayerS clan, he's fucking hilarious.
Edit: I really like the late game cannon placement of MC, there are some pros still that don't have the static defenses to defend against drop play late game, especially on this map.
On April 15 2012 04:29 CruelZeratul wrote: Most of the time he goes 3 bases than upgrades. Guess he knows what he is doing
He lost two of them, the first basically because of missing upgrades.
He botched his initial attack on alives expandsion and did a gamble to put all of his gas into Colossus to be able to win before the lack of upgrades came into play. He nearly did it, just another bad attack angle stopped him. He is just the timing man, but he knows what he is doing.
lol, it's really mindboggling how MC keeps delaying upgrades for so long, there's a reason it's so popular, aLive just got a heap of medivacs out and without the need to kite zealots forever and a day he can win engagements straight up.
On April 15 2012 04:46 Badfatpanda wrote: lol, it's really mindboggling how MC keeps delaying upgrades for so long, there's a reason it's so popular, aLive just got a heap of medivacs out and without the need to kite zealots forever and a day he can win engagements straight up.
With this style he can mass produce units and just outright kill someone who plays to greedy. With Chronoboost he can get the upgrades later and not be far behind anyway.
On April 15 2012 04:46 Badfatpanda wrote: lol, it's really mindboggling how MC keeps delaying upgrades for so long, there's a reason it's so popular, aLive just got a heap of medivacs out and without the need to kite zealots forever and a day he can win engagements straight up.
With this style he can mass produce units and just outright kill someone who plays to greedy. With Chronoboost he can get the upgrades later and not be far behind anyway.
But the midgame is really, really weak. Sometimes he engages with 2 upgrade disadvantage, even with more units, considering how strong MMM is, it's a slaughter
MC should really fix his PvT, lost so many games recently, and his wins are really shaky. He can learn a thing or two from parting and squirtle. And his PvP is really horrible right now, lost almost every single one.
On April 15 2012 05:13 Ouroborosian wrote: Wish the prize pool was larger for this tournament.
Also that they didn't have so many online matches and turned it more into a singular weekend event rather than this fragmented hip-hap.
For a first run this is pretty good, and the online games cost a lost less to produce, which was probably a factor for an operation that is just starting. To boot, it is already better than any NASL season ever.
On April 15 2012 05:14 Ouroborosian wrote: Alive is pretty fucking good. Don't let his uninteresting disposition deter you from appreciating the skill this motherfucker has.
Yeah he is good. He just doesn't have that wow factor that makes a player really great.
On April 15 2012 05:15 Pachwa wrote: For a first run this is pretty good, and the online games cost a lost less to produce, which was probably a factor for an operation that is just starting. To boot, it is already better than any NASL season ever.
This. I would have loved a full weekend for the offline playoffs aswell, but given the venue they picked it would have been super expensive.
I feel like MC lost more than Alive won. MC completely botched the first game when he was so far ahead (4 colossus with no vikings yet produced but he decides to attack where he did and loses it all?). Not to mention some other overextending MC did. Disappointed that Protoss is no longer represented in this tournament.
On April 15 2012 05:18 mordk wrote: Wow, if jjakji and MKP win this tournament is going to have the worst live experience possible. Only TvT? Saaaaad
whats wrong with TvT, usually TvT and TvZs are the matchups that give the most epic games
I could watch TvZ all day long, same as PvZ, but TvT is epic at first, and then gets old really, really fast. A few TvTs make me more tired than swimming for 2 hours straight.
Seriously? No missile turrets, halting SCV productions when worker count is sub-20, losing a dropship to a single viking, and running a raven into marines?
On April 15 2012 05:54 jmbthirteen wrote: You guys realize that Puma and MMA practice together all the time right? This series is straight up mind games.
The mistakes that MMA made in that game were not the result of mind games. It's incredibly frustrating to see him basically beat Puma with the elevator, then lose with sloppy play.
Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
On April 15 2012 05:54 jmbthirteen wrote: You guys realize that Puma and MMA practice together all the time right? This series is straight up mind games.
Bad micro/engagements has nothing to do with mind games tho
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
Hurting esports is hurting esports. Alive won due to being the better player, it would be bad if the whole scene turned into a popularity contest which decided who gets to the finals
On April 15 2012 05:54 jmbthirteen wrote: You guys realize that Puma and MMA practice together all the time right? This series is straight up mind games.
that's no excuse for poor games. they're not playing at the level they should be.
On April 15 2012 05:54 jmbthirteen wrote: You guys realize that Puma and MMA practice together all the time right? This series is straight up mind games.
Bad micro/engagements has nothing to do with mind games tho
Puma letting 1 hesitant hellion scout everything he was doing, and then letting his wall in and whole economy die to 4 hellions in game 1 was total mind games!
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
Okay let's have an invitational with White-Ra, MC, Dragon and some guy on Liquid.
The better players win. How do you want to get around that?
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
I like aLive very much, he's a very humble player that knows how to win all matchups in straight up games. That really can't be said for a lot of Korean Terrans out there. I think the best player should advance, and the community should accept the fact that better games will follow, despite the fact that their idol got knocked out. I really wish hurting esports would be banned, so no, he's not.
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
That's absolute bullshit. He earned his wins, give him credit. He might not be as flashy, but we shouldn't put everything in personality. The foreign scene puts way too much emphasis on player personality over results, and that is exactly why the foreign scene has stagnated.
I like the decision to allin after scouting MMAs third, but it was poorly executed, generally you save up scans rather than investing in air with a timing like this, Jjakji, Taeja and MajOr have recently been experimenting with this.
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and his game play isnt interesting at all.
On April 15 2012 06:14 Zorgaz wrote: If your going for that push Puma did you need turrets in your main protecting against drop.
Even leaving 2-3 vikings there would have been okay,
How hard can it be too predict that a bio/biomech player is gonna drop =/
On April 15 2012 06:12 dragonborn wrote:
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
On April 15 2012 06:27 CruelZeratul wrote: Why not building a Planetary at the third when going mech? I don't get it. And better get turret range.
MMA is sitting literally right on top of his third, no need to get it when you want to push at three base. Plus, he's a SlayerS Terran. Greed runs strong in the royal line. lol he just built a PF beside his third
On April 15 2012 06:14 Zorgaz wrote: If your going for that push Puma did you need turrets in your main protecting against drop.
Even leaving 2-3 vikings there would have been okay,
How hard can it be too predict that a bio/biomech player is gonna drop =/
On April 15 2012 06:12 dragonborn wrote:
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
On April 15 2012 06:14 cablesc wrote: I thought it was dicey for MMA to load up those two medivacs to counter-drop, but it was perfect decision making and he held off like a boss.
i thought it was absolutely nuts at the time since i thought puma was about to overrun him . . . of course, he's MMA and i clearly didn't remember to take that into account.
On April 15 2012 06:14 Zorgaz wrote: If your going for that push Puma did you need turrets in your main protecting against drop.
Even leaving 2-3 vikings there would have been okay,
How hard can it be too predict that a bio/biomech player is gonna drop =/
On April 15 2012 06:12 dragonborn wrote:
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
On April 15 2012 06:14 Zorgaz wrote: If your going for that push Puma did you need turrets in your main protecting against drop.
Even leaving 2-3 vikings there would have been okay,
How hard can it be too predict that a bio/biomech player is gonna drop =/
On April 15 2012 06:12 dragonborn wrote:
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
I think Alive is great but there's just something about his personality that doesn't make me a fan of his. I'm not saying I dislike him, im more neutral. He has like a stone face and shows no emotions win or lose. His standard play doesn't help but whatever, it's working out great for him. You can''t really change who you are.
Boring players don't hurt eSports but they don't bring more fans over either IMHO. Lots of boring players through history were some of the greatest ever in real sports, aLive is in the company of these guys.
Tennis had Bjorn Borg and Federer isn't the most outrageous guy but a good dude and all time great. Baseball has Jim Thome if you look at his stats he's one of the best power hitters ever but low on personality to the point of not having many fans outside of Minnesota. Basketball with John Stockton one of the best ever but very boring.
Guys just go to work everyday with absolute professionalism, Alive is like these guys, he is a great macro player who is a beast against Protoss which is commendable as Terran is getting torn apart by Protoss lately.
BTW I had a RL argument close to what you guys are having with my brother. I love MC and he was outraged that I would feel like aLive was making Ironsquid suck LOL. What can I say MC would be so much fun interacting with the casters and the fans and aLive seems shy. To me aLive winning Ironsquid would just be so blase'
But its stupid to say aLive is hurting eSports, he can actually be a villain if he takes out enough fan favorites.
On April 15 2012 06:14 Zorgaz wrote: If your going for that push Puma did you need turrets in your main protecting against drop.
Even leaving 2-3 vikings there would have been okay,
How hard can it be too predict that a bio/biomech player is gonna drop =/
On April 15 2012 06:12 dragonborn wrote:
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
On April 15 2012 06:49 bucckevin wrote: I think Alive is great but there's just something about his personality that doesn't make me a fan of his. I'm not saying I dislike him, im more neutral. He has like a stone face and shows no emotions win or lose. His standard play doesn't help but whatever, it's working out great for him. You can''t really change who you are.
We can say it clearly : He's as funny as a jail's door. He's awesome, but he's far from a show man. That's why he's not famous.
On April 15 2012 06:14 Zorgaz wrote: If your going for that push Puma did you need turrets in your main protecting against drop.
Even leaving 2-3 vikings there would have been okay,
How hard can it be too predict that a bio/biomech player is gonna drop =/
On April 15 2012 06:12 dragonborn wrote:
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
On April 15 2012 06:14 Zorgaz wrote: If your going for that push Puma did you need turrets in your main protecting against drop.
Even leaving 2-3 vikings there would have been okay,
How hard can it be too predict that a bio/biomech player is gonna drop =/
On April 15 2012 06:12 dragonborn wrote:
On April 15 2012 05:57 Powerfoe wrote: Is Fnatic_aLive hurting eSports? Although he is a solid player, there is nothing noteworthy to be taken from either his play or his demeanor. Fans would rather see players like SlayerSMMA and SKMC make it through in tournaments, whether it be due to their outrageous personalities or flashy playstyles, but instead these fan favourites are being slaughtered by aLive's standard terran playstyle which does not appeal to the masses. In the Iron Squid tournament, aLive has successfully prevented MC from making it to the offline tournament and there is no doubt that it would have been more exciting had MC made it instead.
im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
Eh, I gotta disagree. I love polt, but after watching his stream and his tournament games, he plays really, really standard. I see him do about 2 builds per MU, and thats it, but he still kicks ass.
On April 15 2012 06:14 Zorgaz wrote: If your going for that push Puma did you need turrets in your main protecting against drop.
Even leaving 2-3 vikings there would have been okay,
How hard can it be too predict that a bio/biomech player is gonna drop =/
On April 15 2012 06:12 dragonborn wrote: [quote] im agreeing with you except hurting esports part :D
aLive isnt a interesting player, just another solid terran.
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
Eh, I gotta disagree. I love polt, but after watching his stream and his tournament games, he plays really, really standard. I see him do about 2 builds per MU, and thats it, but he still kicks ass.
Polt is such a interesting player, TvP, TvT even TvZ very unique due his unit control.
do you think why peoples calling him as "MarauderKing"?
On April 15 2012 06:14 Zorgaz wrote: If your going for that push Puma did you need turrets in your main protecting against drop.
Even leaving 2-3 vikings there would have been okay,
How hard can it be too predict that a bio/biomech player is gonna drop =/
[quote]
I disagree 100%, These last months aLive has clearly stepped his game up and i enjoy his play,
Not all of us loves MC either. Shame no other Protoss players are left though =/
he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
Eh, I gotta disagree. I love polt, but after watching his stream and his tournament games, he plays really, really standard. I see him do about 2 builds per MU, and thats it, but he still kicks ass.
Polt is such a interesting player, TvP, TvT even TvZ very unique due his unit control.
do you think why peoples calling him as "MarauderKing"?
and why peoples calling aLive as "captain boring"
Because people are stupid and most people who watch SC2 can't play it worth a damn and don't know what is going on.
Because the market is oversaturated with terrans already, and unless you're indisputably the best, there's no real reason to prefer alive over say... MMA. The other popular terrans all have stylistic playstyles, but Alive is about as standard as they come. Bomber is famous for his macro, MVP for his mech and late game play, MMA for his multitasking, Marineking and Polt for their micro. Also, has Alive ever really given off a memorable series?
On April 15 2012 06:49 bucckevin wrote: I think Alive is great but there's just something about his personality that doesn't make me a fan of his. I'm not saying I dislike him, im more neutral. He has like a stone face and shows no emotions win or lose. His standard play doesn't help but whatever, it's working out great for him. You can''t really change who you are.
Actually, most of us don't know much about aLive, and from the little that we do know, we think he is emotionless. I hope Fnatic does try to promote aLive a bit more personality-wise, considering that he is their top SC2 player. He doesn't even have to be a showman like MC. Liquid Hero has what seems to be a pretty shy personality, but Liquid did a good job promoting him, and he is very popular in the community. The same could be done with aLive I think
On April 15 2012 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: Because the market is oversaturated with terrans already, and unless you're indisputably the best, there's no real reason to prefer alive over say... MMA. The other popular terrans all have stylistic playstyles, but Alive is about as standard as they come. Bomber is famous for his macro, MVP for his mech and late game play, MMA for his multitasking, Marineking and Polt for their micro.
I guess I don't even know what we're arguing about. Alive is really, really good. That's why I like to watch him play. It's not like I don't watch someone's matches unless they are #1.
On April 15 2012 06:19 dragonborn wrote: [quote] he is not stepped his game up, just started to making more 1 base pushes.
other than, he is a robot and isnt interesting at all
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
Eh, I gotta disagree. I love polt, but after watching his stream and his tournament games, he plays really, really standard. I see him do about 2 builds per MU, and thats it, but he still kicks ass.
Polt is such a interesting player, TvP, TvT even TvZ very unique due his unit control.
do you think why peoples calling him as "MarauderKing"?
and why peoples calling aLive as "captain boring"
Because people are stupid and most people who watch SC2 can't play it worth a damn and don't know what is going on.
On April 15 2012 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: Because the market is oversaturated with terrans already, and unless you're indisputably the best, there's no real reason to prefer alive over say... MMA. The other popular terrans all have stylistic playstyles, but Alive is about as standard as they come. Bomber is famous for his macro, MVP for his mech and late game play, MMA for his multitasking, Marineking and Polt for their micro. Also, has Alive ever really given off a memorable series?
LOL That's so far from the truth why do you just shit on every thread with your bias.
The medivac timing from MMA will probably send 4 hellions out on the map while PuMa is pushing, if he can defend this, he's in a good position but with delaying his CC he cannot afford to take any more economy losses.
it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
Eh, I gotta disagree. I love polt, but after watching his stream and his tournament games, he plays really, really standard. I see him do about 2 builds per MU, and thats it, but he still kicks ass.
Polt is such a interesting player, TvP, TvT even TvZ very unique due his unit control.
do you think why peoples calling him as "MarauderKing"?
and why peoples calling aLive as "captain boring"
Because people are stupid and most people who watch SC2 can't play it worth a damn and don't know what is going on.
On April 15 2012 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: Because the market is oversaturated with terrans already, and unless you're indisputably the best, there's no real reason to prefer alive over say... MMA. The other popular terrans all have stylistic playstyles, but Alive is about as standard as they come. Bomber is famous for his macro, MVP for his mech and late game play, MMA for his multitasking, Marineking and Polt for their micro. Also, has Alive ever really given off a memorable series?
i couldn't agree more with you!
I like to watch games played by very good players. Alive is very good, so I enjoy watching him play.
It sounds like you enjoy watching games by players who aren't necessarily the best, but are unpredictable or have eccentric personalities out of the game. Thats cool too.
Every person has a personality, Alive just puts in a lot of effort to remain a blank slate. I don't know why he does it: people want to see players humanized. Maybe Fnatic could do a video series like GSL did with MarineKing?
On April 15 2012 06:32 dragonborn wrote: [quote] it is?
im not only one saying this.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
Eh, I gotta disagree. I love polt, but after watching his stream and his tournament games, he plays really, really standard. I see him do about 2 builds per MU, and thats it, but he still kicks ass.
Polt is such a interesting player, TvP, TvT even TvZ very unique due his unit control.
do you think why peoples calling him as "MarauderKing"?
and why peoples calling aLive as "captain boring"
Because people are stupid and most people who watch SC2 can't play it worth a damn and don't know what is going on.
On April 15 2012 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: Because the market is oversaturated with terrans already, and unless you're indisputably the best, there's no real reason to prefer alive over say... MMA. The other popular terrans all have stylistic playstyles, but Alive is about as standard as they come. Bomber is famous for his macro, MVP for his mech and late game play, MMA for his multitasking, Marineking and Polt for their micro. Also, has Alive ever really given off a memorable series?
i couldn't agree more with you!
I like to watch games played by very good players. Alive is very good, so I enjoy watching him play.
It sounds like you enjoy watching games by players who aren't necessarily the best, but are unpredictable or have eccentric personalities out of the game. Thats cool too.
Does that sum it up?
No.
All of them GSL champions/finalists, all of them have unique style and top 3-5 in Korea
aLive isnt something special like itsdudeman's said.
May wanna google fallacy... aLive got to where he is on the scene by strong macro oriented play, he is one of the only Terran in the world that can beat Protoss consistently in the late game. His TvT and TvZ play generally consists of multitasking heavy drop play while continuing to macro up and win with superior decision making and positioning. 1 base lol.
aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
Eh, I gotta disagree. I love polt, but after watching his stream and his tournament games, he plays really, really standard. I see him do about 2 builds per MU, and thats it, but he still kicks ass.
Polt is such a interesting player, TvP, TvT even TvZ very unique due his unit control.
do you think why peoples calling him as "MarauderKing"?
and why peoples calling aLive as "captain boring"
Because people are stupid and most people who watch SC2 can't play it worth a damn and don't know what is going on.
On April 15 2012 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: Because the market is oversaturated with terrans already, and unless you're indisputably the best, there's no real reason to prefer alive over say... MMA. The other popular terrans all have stylistic playstyles, but Alive is about as standard as they come. Bomber is famous for his macro, MVP for his mech and late game play, MMA for his multitasking, Marineking and Polt for their micro. Also, has Alive ever really given off a memorable series?
i couldn't agree more with you!
I like to watch games played by very good players. Alive is very good, so I enjoy watching him play.
It sounds like you enjoy watching games by players who aren't necessarily the best, but are unpredictable or have eccentric personalities out of the game. Thats cool too.
Does that sum it up?
No.
All of them GSL champions/finalists, all of them have unique style and top 3-5 in Korea
aLive isnt something special like itsdudeman's said.
You've convinced me. I don't see why he even is allowed to play in tournaments, let alone win them. He's just too boring.
On April 15 2012 06:48 dragonborn wrote: [quote] aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
Eh, I gotta disagree. I love polt, but after watching his stream and his tournament games, he plays really, really standard. I see him do about 2 builds per MU, and thats it, but he still kicks ass.
Polt is such a interesting player, TvP, TvT even TvZ very unique due his unit control.
do you think why peoples calling him as "MarauderKing"?
and why peoples calling aLive as "captain boring"
Because people are stupid and most people who watch SC2 can't play it worth a damn and don't know what is going on.
On April 15 2012 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: Because the market is oversaturated with terrans already, and unless you're indisputably the best, there's no real reason to prefer alive over say... MMA. The other popular terrans all have stylistic playstyles, but Alive is about as standard as they come. Bomber is famous for his macro, MVP for his mech and late game play, MMA for his multitasking, Marineking and Polt for their micro. Also, has Alive ever really given off a memorable series?
i couldn't agree more with you!
I like to watch games played by very good players. Alive is very good, so I enjoy watching him play.
It sounds like you enjoy watching games by players who aren't necessarily the best, but are unpredictable or have eccentric personalities out of the game. Thats cool too.
Does that sum it up?
No.
All of them GSL champions/finalists, all of them have unique style and top 3-5 in Korea
aLive isnt something special like itsdudeman's said.
You've convinced me. I don't see why he even is allowed to play in tournaments, let alone win them. He's just too boring.
On April 15 2012 06:48 dragonborn wrote: [quote] aLive's TvP isnt even top 3, also his TvZ isnt that great if you watched his GSL games/last games
about his TvT, he is a good TvT macro player but using 1 base all-ins very often.
He must be a good macro player, but he is a robot, another uninteresting Korean terran.
What does 'robot' mean? Good mechanics?
How is anyone who plays standard not a robot. Idra would be the robot king. Naniwa a close second. Alive varies his play way more than a lot of players.
IdrA is a robot as well, even PuMa said at NASL S2 finals "he is always playing same style and never change it."
if you watch players like Polt, MMA, MKP, all of them have such a amazing micro and unique style.
but aLive is just another standart Korean terran, 1 base all in or standard macro play, which is make him uninteresting.
Eh, I gotta disagree. I love polt, but after watching his stream and his tournament games, he plays really, really standard. I see him do about 2 builds per MU, and thats it, but he still kicks ass.
Polt is such a interesting player, TvP, TvT even TvZ very unique due his unit control.
do you think why peoples calling him as "MarauderKing"?
and why peoples calling aLive as "captain boring"
Because people are stupid and most people who watch SC2 can't play it worth a damn and don't know what is going on.
On April 15 2012 07:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: Because the market is oversaturated with terrans already, and unless you're indisputably the best, there's no real reason to prefer alive over say... MMA. The other popular terrans all have stylistic playstyles, but Alive is about as standard as they come. Bomber is famous for his macro, MVP for his mech and late game play, MMA for his multitasking, Marineking and Polt for their micro. Also, has Alive ever really given off a memorable series?
i couldn't agree more with you!
I like to watch games played by very good players. Alive is very good, so I enjoy watching him play.
It sounds like you enjoy watching games by players who aren't necessarily the best, but are unpredictable or have eccentric personalities out of the game. Thats cool too.
Does that sum it up?
No.
All of them GSL champions/finalists, all of them have unique style and top 3-5 in Korea
aLive isnt something special like itsdudeman's said.
You've convinced me. I don't see why he even is allowed to play in tournaments, let alone win them. He's just too boring.
lol now you're just being childish and putting words in other people's mouths.
I just think one crazy series from Alive will totally change peoples views of him. Its just a shame he isn't the type of player to give us a crazy series. Yes he wins, and yes he is a great player, but he isn't memorable in the way other players are.
Meh fnatic if they want can easily market him better and you'll like him. Alot of the personalities in esports are somewhat fake or glamorized ablnyways. Perhaps alive just doesnt have the face for it
Its sort of like puma he just sells himself of his cheesier plays and EG acknowledges it with those 1-1-1 tshirts
On April 15 2012 07:45 GreyKnight wrote: Meh fnatic if they want can easily market him better and you'll like him. Alot of the personalities in esports are somewhat fake or glamorized ablnyways. Perhaps alive just doesnt have the face for it
Its sort of like puma he just sells himself of his cheesier plays and EG acknowledges it with those 1-1-1 tshirts
I like him. He's probably 2nd best terran in the world atm and play solid in all matchups. Would like to see him open up more.
On April 15 2012 06:44 mynameisgreat11 wrote: Alive is getting shit from half the people here for playing standard and 'boring', and the other half for going all-in. Lulz.
Well it's kind of only what he does though. He uses either the cheesiest strats you can find (and the most well known too), or the most standard macro ones. There is no in-between for aLive, I guess that's why people don't like him very much, he's not very creative, doesn't have builds/styles that only he does or invented (like other popular players MKP, MC, MMA, HuK, Nestea, MVP, DRG and so on...). His micro is average (like I've never see him attempt to fight banelings with bio, he just runs away), he multitasks and macro kinda well, correct decision making, etc... So yeah, he's sick good, no denying that, probably top 3 Terran atm, but don't expect him to become a fan favorite soon, unless he wins two GSLs or something (but he's down to Code A :D)
tl;dr; I think you could just label aLive as the "strongest random Korean Terran", and that would be his special thing :D
So Alive went to ro4 of GSL season 1, win IPL 4, and is in the ro4 of iron squid, and people come on teamliquid to complain about his lack of personality ? Sometimes I just can't understand :-/
On April 15 2012 09:05 Gevna wrote: So Alive went to ro4 of GSL season 1, win IPL 4, and is in the ro4 of iron squid, and people come on teamliquid to complain about his lack of personality ? Sometimes I just can't understand :-/
(Clide minus hype) plus (puma minus gimmicks) equal aLive.
On April 15 2012 09:05 Gevna wrote: So Alive went to ro4 of GSL season 1, win IPL 4, and is in the ro4 of iron squid, and people come on teamliquid to complain about his lack of personality ? Sometimes I just can't understand :-/
The guy above you explained it the best out of all the people that have tried over the last 5 pages
apollo, i am the biggest nestea fan there is, but please don't overhype nestea's decisionmaking. sometimes it is the best to find, but lately he actually messes things up from time to time.
nestea can still beat everyone on this planet and also today, you can still see the genius he is but he is not as perfect as you describe him and by highlighting that he, as every other player, makes mistakes, you can appreciate his awesome moments even more.
This tournament is great with world class players. Should get more attention imo. Looking forward to todays games. Would love to see nestea and mkp advance.
On April 15 2012 09:05 Gevna wrote: So Alive went to ro4 of GSL season 1, win IPL 4, and is in the ro4 of iron squid, and people come on teamliquid to complain about his lack of personality ? Sometimes I just can't understand :-/
(Clide minus hype) plus (puma minus gimmicks) equal aLive.
You forgot the part where he is a straight baller :p
On April 15 2012 09:05 Gevna wrote: So Alive went to ro4 of GSL season 1, win IPL 4, and is in the ro4 of iron squid, and people come on teamliquid to complain about his lack of personality ? Sometimes I just can't understand :-/
(Clide minus hype) plus (puma minus gimmicks) equal aLive.
You forgot the part where he is a straight baller :p
On April 15 2012 09:05 Gevna wrote: So Alive went to ro4 of GSL season 1, win IPL 4, and is in the ro4 of iron squid, and people come on teamliquid to complain about his lack of personality ? Sometimes I just can't understand :-/
(Clide minus hype) plus (puma minus gimmicks) equal aLive.
You forgot the part where he is a straight baller :p
Why didn't NesTea go for production when he had his entire army almost at Jjakji's base? He was only losing his fourth at that time and could have scraped something together with new banelings for defense.
There was also those banes a-moved onto the tank the lings were killing, late restarting upgrades. Bleh.
On April 16 2012 03:48 Ansinjunger wrote: Why didn't NesTea go for production when he had his entire army almost at Jjakji's base? He was only losing his fourth at that time and could have scraped something together with new banelings for defense.
I think seeing the two tanks make him change his mind.
On April 16 2012 04:02 Asha` wrote: Jjakji's marine control is ridiculous so far this series.
But yeah, I really hate this build...not sure when I've actually seen it win.
jjakji did it vs Leenock I think? or was it a 2 base version?
Are you talking about ghostking vs leenock in GSTL? He did the same all in on this map and got crushed to
Pretty sure I'm recalling jjakji.
Thanks for refreshing my memory Asha.
I'd say crossfire is a much better map for it too. Smaller distance to push and siegeing the high ground over that ramp > siegeing the very open nat here.
On April 16 2012 04:02 Asha` wrote: Jjakji's marine control is ridiculous so far this series.
But yeah, I really hate this build...not sure when I've actually seen it win.
jjakji did it vs Leenock I think? or was it a 2 base version?
Are you talking about ghostking vs leenock in GSTL? He did the same all in on this map and got crushed to
Pretty sure I'm recalling jjakji.
Thanks for refreshing my memory Asha.
I'd say crossfire is a much better map for it too. Smaller distance to push and siegeing the high ground over that ramp > siegeing the very open nat here.
Crossfire is a long chocked hell where you cant flank alot. The exact opposite of what this map is
On April 16 2012 04:22 DiViD wrote: 90 supply terran vs 40 supply zerg without tech and they talk about comeback potential -.-
They are casters, it's their role to make it entertaining. They're not going to say "Yeah, NesTea is dead, you can all take a beer from the fridge and get back in 10 minutes for the next game".
TB is the king of stretching out a commentary with a comedy bit "what do you say about this game?" "it's not just a blunder, its not a blunder where you fall off a cliff, not a blunder where you miss your taxes, a blunder where you get jettisoned off the planet earth, more like a blunder where you release Cthulu which destroys the sanity of everyone on earth resulting in a zombie apocolypse"
I'm just messing with you TB I realize not much to say about that game
On April 16 2012 04:31 THM wrote: To be honest, I read someone else post that same result a few days ago. Hope results have not leaked, but it might be true o.O
On April 16 2012 04:31 THM wrote: To be honest, I read someone else post that same result a few days ago. Hope results have not leaked, but it might be true o.O
the results can be seen from the players match history
Jakji was too obsessed with getting the third down quickly in that game without having enough units to defend. I've seen it work when the opponent doesn't scout properly (July, I think it was) but Nestea was too good.
On April 16 2012 05:06 tomatriedes wrote: Jakji was too obsessed with getting the third down quickly in that game without having enough units to defend. I've seen it work when the opponent doesn't scout properly (July, I think it was) but Nestea was too good.
I think it was more that he missed seeing the lings already out on the map? That's what I hate about it, so many paths for runby's. I can only presume he thought lings were positioned defensively and that he was free to build it at the low ground =(
when the english stream went down for a moment I switched to the french one and stayed. Idk they are just fun listening to, despite not understanding a word. I'm just afraid I'm gonna start eating and drinking only baguette and wine
On April 16 2012 05:08 RolleMcKnolle wrote: when the english stream went down for a moment I switched to the french one and stayed. Idk they are just fun listening to, despite not understanding a word. I'm just afraid I'm gonna start eating and drinking only baguette and wine
Pomf et Thud are the most energetic live casters I've ever seen and they play an audience so well.
On April 16 2012 05:08 RolleMcKnolle wrote: when the english stream went down for a moment I switched to the french one and stayed. Idk they are just fun listening to, despite not understanding a word. I'm just afraid I'm gonna start eating and drinking only baguette and wine
You're one step away from korean streams, the ultimate fun despite not understanding anything at all.
And yeah I agree, French casters > English casters
On April 16 2012 05:08 RolleMcKnolle wrote: when the english stream went down for a moment I switched to the french one and stayed. Idk they are just fun listening to, despite not understanding a word. I'm just afraid I'm gonna start eating and drinking only baguette and wine
You're one step away from korean streams, the ultimate fun despite not understanding anything at all.
And yeah I agree, French casters > English casters
watching bw streams made me fall in love with korean casters. english will never be the same without plaguuuuu
On April 16 2012 05:15 DeathProfessor wrote: French stream is always amazing. Its always like they are trying to 1up TB & dApollo because they want to stick it to the Brits. lol
They're cheating, they have a damn studio, we're using Skype
As usual the French never play by the rules. Alright well if they want a hype-off, they've got one.
On April 16 2012 05:25 FiWiFaKi wrote: MKP handled that so bad, not repairing the tank etc that made it look like match fixing, maybe I'm the only one that feels like that?
On April 16 2012 05:25 FiWiFaKi wrote: MKP handled that so bad, not repairing the tank etc that made it look like match fixing, maybe I'm the only one that feels like that?
On April 16 2012 05:25 FiWiFaKi wrote: MKP handled that so bad, not repairing the tank etc that made it look like match fixing, maybe I'm the only one that feels like that?
he cant, symbol bring drones as well.
thats would be more easy to kill his scvs.
After all the drones were dead MKP had 6 scv + tank vs 4-5 roaches, and he didn't just put the scvs on like hold position instead of repairing the tank or attacking with the scvs.
On April 16 2012 05:25 FiWiFaKi wrote: MKP handled that so bad, not repairing the tank etc that made it look like match fixing, maybe I'm the only one that feels like that?
On April 16 2012 05:25 FiWiFaKi wrote: MKP handled that so bad, not repairing the tank etc that made it look like match fixing, maybe I'm the only one that feels like that?
he cant, symbol bring drones as well.
thats would be more easy to kill his scvs.
After all the drones were dead MKP had 6 scv + tank vs 4-5 roaches, and he didn't just put the scvs on like hold position instead of repairing the tank or attacking with the scvs.
Don't know what TB/Apollo are talking about. It's no peg in anyone's career when they rely on cheese to beat a better player, cause it's not a reliable way to win. If symbol wins, no one will remember anything besides him cheesing mkp out.
On April 16 2012 05:45 Canucklehead wrote: Don't know what TB/Apollo are talking about. It's no peg in anyone's career when they rely on cheese to beat a better player, cause it's not a reliable way to win.
On April 16 2012 05:45 Canucklehead wrote: Don't know what TB/Apollo are talking about. It's no peg in anyone's career when they rely on cheese to beat a better player, cause it's not a reliable way to win.
On April 16 2012 05:45 Canucklehead wrote: Don't know what TB/Apollo are talking about. It's no peg in anyone's career when they rely on cheese to beat a better player, cause it's not a reliable way to win.
On April 16 2012 05:45 Canucklehead wrote: Don't know what TB/Apollo are talking about. It's no peg in anyone's career when they rely on cheese to beat a better player, cause it's not a reliable way to win.
haha
I can't wait for the mkp fanboy tears if he loses.
someone needs to shop the bisu bucket pic and change it to say MKP
I wish MKP would show more MVP-esque type of play sometimes, against arguably weaker players. Keep all the fanciness and unpredictability for GSL series :/
On April 16 2012 05:57 Zealot Orgy wrote: That's what happens when you treat much inferior players who rely on earlygame aggression as "standard opponents".
You stubbornly go for 3CCs every time and you just get 2 based
Or you stubbornly don't scout to go blind 2factories BFH because you know you're better
You'll just get allin'd
Then MKP should have studied his opponent, Symbol is very prone to this type of play, he's sort of a new Lucky. His lategame play is not bad either. MKP just didn't do his homework.
On April 16 2012 05:56 ZenithM wrote: I wish MKP would show more MVP-esque type of play sometimes, against arguably weaker players. Keep all the fanciness and unpredictability for GSL series :/
His whole game is not solid standard play, he couldn't be successful with MVP-like gameplay.
Yeah, Symbol. Great to see a Zerg with aggressive play punishing greedy Terran builds. But you have to note that MKP didn't show his best play in these games.
On April 16 2012 05:57 Zealot Orgy wrote: That's what happens when you treat much inferior players who rely on earlygame aggression as "standard opponents".
You stubbornly go for 3CCs every time and you just get 2 based
Or you stubbornly don't scout to go blind 2factories BFH because you know you're better
You'll just get allin'd
Oh come on. MKP is the king of early aggression. Symbol outplayed him mentally in each game. MKP went 2 rax 3 bunker in game two and thought he would either win or do a lot of damage. In game three he went mass hellions and symbol held it off with slow lings and queens. That was awesome play by symbol.
I can see a MMA NesTea finals, but it could be anyone. MMA just play that mech you showed against Byun at IPL4.
I still wouldn't call this a huge milestone for Symbol though. It has to be a finals appearance. Byun, Ganzi, and aLive all made ro4 in GSL, but only aLive has lived up to some of the hype so far. For that matter, wth happened to TOP? I know he's code B, but just...qq Losira, too.
On April 16 2012 05:56 ZenithM wrote: I wish MKP would show more MVP-esque type of play sometimes, against arguably weaker players. Keep all the fanciness and unpredictability for GSL series :/
His whole game is not solid standard play, he couldn't be successful with MVP-like gameplay.
Exactly- MKP only knows two ways to play- cheesy or greedy. Symbol was smart enough to find ways to exploit that fact.
I looked up MKP's account and spoiled myself the results. The games were played on Korea on 4/11, the day MKP came back from Vegas. I would not put too much stock into using these to judge MKP or Symbol's form, although MKP probably should learn a lesson or two from his lack of scout in game 1 that also hurt him in IPL matches.
MMA gets 1st or 3rd, depending on whether he wins or loses against aLive. MMA should be doing his homework on these 3 players, especially since he doesn't have GSL to worry about anymore, and he should not lose to either one of these Zergs.
Jesus fuckin christ, can't believe Foxer lost to 3 consecutive 2(1) base allins -_-
Well, he has only himself to blame... especially in that 1st game. I mean come on, I would've won that by building a bunker after my scv scouted a queen in the middle of the map. -_- -_- -_-
On April 16 2012 05:56 ZenithM wrote: I wish MKP would show more MVP-esque type of play sometimes, against arguably weaker players. Keep all the fanciness and unpredictability for GSL series :/
His whole game is not solid standard play, he couldn't be successful with MVP-like gameplay.
Exactly- MKP only knows two ways to play- cheesy or greedy. Symbol was smart enough to find ways to exploit that fact.
It's only his vZ though. His TvP and TvT are fairly standard.
On April 16 2012 06:01 happyness wrote: MKP lost those games horribly more than symbol won them.
These games are not at all indicitive of whether or not symbol is a good player.
Huh? Yes, they are. They didn't show late game skills, but they did show taking advantage of greed. Terrans skip marines and get 3 fast CC's all the time. I'm just glad it happened to MKP instead of MMA this time. MMA already had his Lucky...twice.
Also wtf happened that MKP lost to one of those forever Code A players? Didn't even bother to watch and I check the results and it's 0-3. THE HELL MKP!
While I was rooting for MKP I have to admit Symbol played well. He knew both how to handle mkp's pressure and how to abuse MKP's greed. I still wouldn't favour him vs Nestea but I expect their games to be filled with subtle mindgames and clever little tricks on both their parts.
It's funny that in the 2 of the 3 games MKP was the one who bunker rushed and went for early aggresion and ppl blame Symbol that "all-ined" when he just did the right thing that was to kill MKP after he defended...
On April 16 2012 05:56 ZenithM wrote: I wish MKP would show more MVP-esque type of play sometimes, against arguably weaker players. Keep all the fanciness and unpredictability for GSL series :/
His whole game is not solid standard play, he couldn't be successful with MVP-like gameplay.
Exactly- MKP only knows two ways to play- cheesy or greedy. Symbol was smart enough to find ways to exploit that fact.
It's only his vZ though. His TvP and TvT are fairly standard.
His TvT is not standard in the slightest. Just like in TvZ he does a lot of one-base aggression.
On April 16 2012 06:03 THM wrote: Jesus fuckin christ, can't believe Foxer lost to 3 consecutive 2(1) base allins -_-
Well, he has only himself to blame... especially in that 1st game. I mean come on, I would've won that by building a bunker after my scv scouted a queen in the middle of the map. -_- -_- -_-
Oh well, there is still GSL I guess.
mkp skips so many corners in TvZ, that build was symbol playing the player and not the race. the othee 2 games were just symbol defending the random stuff mkp likes to do and getting a huge advantage
Just checked TLPD, that was the first time Marineking has ever lost to a Zerg three games in a row outside of one series to DRG in the FXO invitational in 2012.
Okay just checked every page, MKP has only ever lost three games in a row to zerg twice in his sc2 career, once to Losira and once to DRG.
On April 16 2012 06:00 Ansinjunger wrote: I can see a MMA NesTea finals, but it could be anyone. MMA just play that mech you showed against Byun at IPL4.
I still wouldn't call this a huge milestone for Symbol though. It has to be a finals appearance. Byun, Ganzi, and aLive all made ro4 in GSL, but only aLive has lived up to some of the hype so far. For that matter, wth happened to TOP? I know he's code B, but just...qq Losira, too.
Being Ro4 of the GSL isn't hype. That's a testimony of performance. If you are looking for undeserved hype, there is ForGG.
On April 16 2012 06:01 happyness wrote: MKP lost those games horribly more than symbol won them.
These games are not at all indicitive of whether or not symbol is a good player.
Just indicitive of how bad a player marineking is by that logic then?
No it's more indicative of how strong zerg cheese and all-ins are.
Agree with this. These days almost EVERY PRO TvZ build I see, dies against these allins. There is almost nothing to learn from pro terrans atm, since 90% of them do greedy builds that do not work vs allin .
On April 16 2012 06:01 happyness wrote: MKP lost those games horribly more than symbol won them.
These games are not at all indicitive of whether or not symbol is a good player.
Just indicitive of how bad a player marineking is by that logic then?
No it's more indicative of how strong zerg cheese and all-ins are.
Might i refer you to this post
On April 16 2012 06:04 _Galad_ wrote: It's funny that in the 2 of the 3 games MKP was the one who bunker rushed and went for early aggresion and ppl blame Symbol that "all-ined" when he just did the right thing that was to kill MKP after he defended...
On April 16 2012 05:56 ZenithM wrote: I wish MKP would show more MVP-esque type of play sometimes, against arguably weaker players. Keep all the fanciness and unpredictability for GSL series :/
His whole game is not solid standard play, he couldn't be successful with MVP-like gameplay.
Exactly- MKP only knows two ways to play- cheesy or greedy. Symbol was smart enough to find ways to exploit that fact.
It's only his vZ though. His TvP and TvT are fairly standard.
I dunno- I've seen him go low ground CC first against toss without scouting, which is pretty damn greedy plus a few SCV conga lines. Maybe not as much recently.
On April 16 2012 05:56 ZenithM wrote: I wish MKP would show more MVP-esque type of play sometimes, against arguably weaker players. Keep all the fanciness and unpredictability for GSL series :/
His whole game is not solid standard play, he couldn't be successful with MVP-like gameplay.
Exactly- MKP only knows two ways to play- cheesy or greedy. Symbol was smart enough to find ways to exploit that fact.
It's only his vZ though. His TvP and TvT are fairly standard.
His TvT is not standard in the slightest. Just like in TvZ he does a lot of one-base aggression.
Which is actually quite frequent in Korean TvT. It's not just MKP.
I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression.
On April 16 2012 05:56 ZenithM wrote: I wish MKP would show more MVP-esque type of play sometimes, against arguably weaker players. Keep all the fanciness and unpredictability for GSL series :/
His whole game is not solid standard play, he couldn't be successful with MVP-like gameplay.
Exactly- MKP only knows two ways to play- cheesy or greedy. Symbol was smart enough to find ways to exploit that fact.
wtf are you guys talking about, mkp did a 2 rax triple bunker rush in g2 and a 1 base hellion drop in g3, both of which were shut down and reactively punished afterwards, only game symbol was cheesing was g1 obviously
On April 16 2012 06:03 vndods wrote: When were these games played?
Also wtf happened that MKP lost to one of those forever Code A players? Didn't even bother to watch and I check the results and it's 0-3. THE HELL MKP!
On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote: What? Games are already over?
I guess for racial balance it works out. But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament. While one might argue that if Symbol shines through and wins the tournament (haha, against Nestea), he will be gaining a big fanbase, it seems more likely he'll be treated in the same vain as Alive as he's a bit of a colorless dullard.
They re actually glad, they were kinda bummed that it could be all Terrans, now they have TvT, ZvZ and ZvT. Source: french stream XD
On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote: What? Games are already over?
I guess for racial balance it works out. But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament. While one might argue that if Symbol shines through and wins the tournament (haha, against Nestea), he will be gaining a big fanbase, it seems more likely he'll be treated in the same vain as Alive as he's a bit of a colorless dullard.
They re actually glad, they were kinda bummed that it could be all Terrans, now they have TvT, ZvZ and ZvT. Source: french stream XD
I'd bet for as many people as get turned off by no MKP you have just as many now firmly interested at the possibility of NesTea vs aLive/MMA too (let's face it, symbol rocks but he'll still be a massive underdog in a NvZ series).
Finals going to be so sick =)
On April 16 2012 06:10 vndods wrote: Still can't believe MKP lost 0-3 to one of those forever border Code A/Code B dwellers. Kind of embarrassing but whatever
say whut, Symbol steadily improved last year, but made it to Code A only to hit Genius at the start of his god streak. He had good games in the GSTL and requalified this season for Code A again. Tough match vs sC but we'll see how he does. He's at least Code A and Code S capable in my books.
On April 16 2012 06:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression.
Lol fucking symbol and his cheese can't win a standard macro game like MKP. fun day.
On April 16 2012 06:10 vndods wrote: Still can't believe MKP lost 0-3 to one of those forever border Code A/Code B dwellers. Kind of embarrassing but whatever
such a disrespectful post, lol.
see you when Symbol qualifying for code S this season
On April 16 2012 06:10 vndods wrote: Still can't believe MKP lost 0-3 to one of those forever border Code A/Code B dwellers. Kind of embarrassing but whatever
These games were played on 4/11, right as MKP landed on his vega trips, as someone has mentioned.
These games showed that Symbol really did his homework, and studied his opponent and played countered to that, while MKP didn't do his HW. But it's understandable that MKP didn't, as I doubt he had time, and had more important things to practice for (GSTL, IPL, etc)
On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote: What? Games are already over?
I guess for racial balance it works out. But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament. While one might argue that if Symbol shines through and wins the tournament (haha, against Nestea), he will be gaining a big fanbase, it seems more likely he'll be treated in the same vain as Alive as he's a bit of a colorless dullard.
They re actually glad, they were kinda bummed that it could be all Terrans, now they have TvT, ZvZ and ZvT. Source: french stream XD
I'd bet for as many people as get turned off by no MKP you have just as many now firmly interested at the possibility of NesTea vs aLive/MMA too (let's face it, symbol rocks but he'll still be a massive underdog in a NvZ series).
Finals going to be so sick =)
Just like he is an underdog vs. MKP. He can pull it off. Nestea might be the god of ZvZ but gods still bleed, and he can lose the series to symbol
On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote: What? Games are already over?
I guess for racial balance it works out. But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament. While one might argue that if Symbol shines through and wins the tournament (haha, against Nestea), he will be gaining a big fanbase, it seems more likely he'll be treated in the same vain as Alive as he's a bit of a colorless dullard.
This is symbols first tournament ever he didnt even have a chance to show anything yet
On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote: What? Games are already over?
I guess for racial balance it works out. But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament. While one might argue that if Symbol shines through and wins the tournament (haha, against Nestea), he will be gaining a big fanbase, it seems more likely he'll be treated in the same vain as Alive as he's a bit of a colorless dullard.
They re actually glad, they were kinda bummed that it could be all Terrans, now they have TvT, ZvZ and ZvT. Source: french stream XD
I'd bet for as many people as get turned off by no MKP you have just as many now firmly interested at the possibility of NesTea vs aLive/MMA too (let's face it, symbol rocks but he'll still be a massive underdog in a NvZ series).
Finals going to be so sick =)
Just like he is an underdog vs. MKP. He can pull it off. Nestea might be the god of ZvZ but gods still bleed, and he can lose the series to symbol
I know, I'll be cheering for him to do so again =)
Was just saying that general opinion will be that NesTea will probably win which will mean people will be excited for a rematch between NesTea and one of the Terrans
On April 16 2012 06:10 vndods wrote: Still can't believe MKP lost 0-3 to one of those forever border Code A/Code B dwellers. Kind of embarrassing but whatever
such a disrespectful post, lol.
see you when Symbol qualifying for code S this season
Truthful post so far. Let's how he does this season I guess.
On April 16 2012 06:10 vndods wrote: Still can't believe MKP lost 0-3 to one of those forever border Code A/Code B dwellers. Kind of embarrassing but whatever
such a disrespectful post, lol.
see you when Symbol qualifying for code S this season
Truthful post so far. Let's how he does this season I guess.
did you know, this forever code A/B player beat TaeJa 3-0, Polt 2-1, Squirtle 3-2, B4Prime 3-2.
All this talk about how it will end up being NesTea vs aLive/MMA. Is it really so hard to see an underdog really taking the win on this? Did he not just prove he could beat an obvious favorite, with an incredible steamroll I might add.
You guys are nuts talking about Symbol like he's a trash player. Korea is sorely lacking in top zergs so new blood is always welcome to the scene. For Symbol to make it to the quarterfinals from the qualifiers is a huge feat for him. You may not have known anything about him before but 3 months from now it might not even be an upset for him to beat MKP.
On April 16 2012 06:10 vndods wrote: Still can't believe MKP lost 0-3 to one of those forever border Code A/Code B dwellers. Kind of embarrassing but whatever
such a disrespectful post, lol.
see you when Symbol qualifying for code S this season
Truthful post so far. Let's how he does this season I guess.
did you know, this forever code A/B player beat TaeJa 3-0, Polt 2-1, Squirtle 3-2, B4Prime 3-2.
On April 16 2012 06:18 Bagration wrote: After seeing MKP eliminate Boxer by floating his buildings away in the group stages, it just seems like a bit of karma to see him lose here.
On April 16 2012 06:16 Degozaru wrote: All this talk about how it will end up being NesTea vs aLive/MMA. Is it really so hard to see an underdog really taking the win on this? Did he not just prove he could beat an obvious favorite, with an incredible steamroll I might add.
Considering how volatile the ZvZ match up is I definately wouldn't rule it out. Symbol is no joke, people talking as if he is some scrub.
On April 16 2012 06:18 Bagration wrote: After seeing MKP eliminate Boxer by floating his buildings away in the group stages, it just seems like a bit of karma to see him lose here.
So mkp should have gave boxer the win and let puma be eliminated? Lol
On April 16 2012 06:16 Degozaru wrote: All this talk about how it will end up being NesTea vs aLive/MMA. Is it really so hard to see an underdog really taking the win on this? Did he not just prove he could beat an obvious favorite, with an incredible steamroll I might add.
Considering how volatile the ZvZ match up is I definately wouldn't rule it out. Symbol is no joke, people talking as if he is some scrub.
Well I wouldn't call symbol trash. He played his cheese well and played well this tourney. He's definitely a better player than stephano from what I've seen. It's why I've never bought into the stephano hype. There are tons of players better than him that just don't get the chance to show it being stuck in korea.
On April 16 2012 06:15 ScaringKids wrote: Its a shame what LR's have become. Nothing but fanboys hating on haters who hate on fanboys...Enjoy the fucking events/matches instead.
On April 16 2012 05:46 Canucklehead wrote: Symbol reminding me of stephano. No chance to beat mkp for real, so has to rely on all ins.
did you realize that last game was 2 rax by MKP?
2 rax isn't cheese. It's just a pressure move.
The only type of 2 rax that isn't cheese is 12/14. Every other 2 rax, you have to cut scvs to pull off which is pretty cheesy imo.
Actually it isn't. The reasoning is, when you do those 2 rax openings that cuts SCV, the Zerg has to sacrifice even more economy to deal with it (making more lings, spine, pull drones etc). So in the end, it either puts the terran on even ground economically, or ahead. So to say that all 2 rax are cheese besides 12/14 is plain out wrong. I do agree that going to the extreme of pulling an extra 3-4 scv's to make 3 bunkers is somewhat cheesy tho.
On April 16 2012 06:18 Bagration wrote: After seeing MKP eliminate Boxer by floating his buildings away in the group stages, it just seems like a bit of karma to see him lose here.
So mkp should have gave boxer the win and let puma be eliminated? Lol
No of course not. But it's certainly sad to see an veteran like Boxer get eliminated the way he did. It was very, very frustrating to see as a fan of the Emperor.
Of course, I wasn't going to root against MKP for the rest of his life just for that game. Hell, even MMA denied Boxer a Code S spot at Anaheim. But it seemed interesting to me that the two guys who knocked Boxer out got knocked out as well, perhaps a testament to Boxer's divine power? :p
I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote: But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament.
In my opinion they were scared of a much much boring TvT demi and finals.
Symbol play was awesome, so funny to see zerg being so aggressive versus T especially against MKP and all the games he won vs Z with 2 rax and semi cheesy builds.
That was so funny to watch.Only game one was an all-in.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote: What? Games are already over?
I guess for racial balance it works out. But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament. While one might argue that if Symbol shines through and wins the tournament (haha, against Nestea), he will be gaining a big fanbase, it seems more likely he'll be treated in the same vain as Alive as he's a bit of a colorless dullard.
Me =)
Swarm needs some refinement and I've had my eye on Symbol ever since he played against IM in the GSTL.
On April 16 2012 06:06 Ouroborosian wrote: What? Games are already over?
I guess for racial balance it works out. But let's be honest--who gives a fuck about Symbol? Good for him and all but I feel bad for the Iron Squid organizers, who were probably wishing for a very popular and well-known Top 4 for the live tournament. While one might argue that if Symbol shines through and wins the tournament (haha, against Nestea), he will be gaining a big fanbase, it seems more likely he'll be treated in the same vain as Alive as he's a bit of a colorless dullard.
Me =)
Swarm needs some refinement and I've had my eye on Symbol ever since he played against IM in the GSTL.
On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote: Marineking aggressive almost every game... But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok
its only cheese if the player is not a fan favorite.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
this plus Symbol just proved he knows how to do his homework!
I don't know what people have against cheese. Cheese games are so exciting to watch. Lots of tension, lots of uncertainty. Thats what makes a good spectacle.
On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote: Marineking aggressive almost every game... But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok
Not saying MKP didn't cheese against Symbol or anything, but just generally speaking, you have to realize there is a difference between Zerg being aggresive vs Terran being aggresive.
When Terran does aggresive builds like 2 rax and bunker rush, all they're sacrificing is delaying their next CC by 150mineral or so; and even if they cut some SCVs to make it more aggressive, it means the zerg has to make extra lings/spines and pull more drones just to defend it. In the end, the Terran usually comes out equal footing economically, or ahead, and if Zerg messes up the defence, it's auto win.
On the other hand, when Zerg does aggressive builds, they are always trading drones and economy for it, always. And when Zerg is suppose to stay a base ahead of Terran and ahead of workers, these early aggression puts them at a much much bigger risk; and hence why people tend to call it cheesy.
On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote: Marineking aggressive almost every game... But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok
Not saying MKP didn't cheese against Symbol or anything, but just generally speaking, you have to realize there is a difference between Zerg being aggresive vs Terran being aggresive.
When Terran does aggresive builds like 2 rax and bunker rush, all they're sacrificing is delaying their next CC by 150mineral or so; and even if they cut some SCVs to make it more aggressive, it means the zerg has to make extra lings/spines and pull more drones just to defend it. In the end, the Terran usually comes out equal footing economically, or ahead, and if Zerg messes up the defence, it's auto win.
On the other hand, when Zerg does aggressive builds, they are always trading drones and economy for it, always. And when Zerg is suppose to stay a base ahead of Terran and ahead of workers, these early aggression puts them at a much much bigger risk; and hence why people tend to call it cheesy.
nice double standard lol.
why do people bitch about cheese still. gosh its part of the game.
On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote: Marineking aggressive almost every game... But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok
Not saying MKP didn't cheese against Symbol or anything, but just generally speaking, you have to realize there is a difference between Zerg being aggresive vs Terran being aggresive.
When Terran does aggresive builds like 2 rax and bunker rush, all they're sacrificing is delaying their next CC by 150mineral or so; and even if they cut some SCVs to make it more aggressive, it means the zerg has to make extra lings/spines and pull more drones just to defend it. In the end, the Terran usually comes out equal footing economically, or ahead, and if Zerg messes up the defence, it's auto win.
On the other hand, when Zerg does aggressive builds, they are always trading drones and economy for it, always. And when Zerg is suppose to stay a base ahead of Terran and ahead of workers, these early aggression puts them at a much much bigger risk; and hence why people tend to call it cheesy.
nice double standard lol.
why do people bitch about cheese still. gosh its part of the game.
i dont know why peoples bitching about this.
if defending MKP's early pressures and beating MKP with roach/bling is that easy, WHY DRG/LEENOCK OR JULY losing every single time against MKP?
its just Symbol played better than him, its not hard to understand.
On April 16 2012 06:31 eXeHephaistas wrote: Marineking aggressive almost every game... But when zerg is aggressive vs him it's suddenly cheese? yeah ok
Not saying MKP didn't cheese against Symbol or anything, but just generally speaking, you have to realize there is a difference between Zerg being aggresive vs Terran being aggresive.
When Terran does aggresive builds like 2 rax and bunker rush, all they're sacrificing is delaying their next CC by 150mineral or so; and even if they cut some SCVs to make it more aggressive, it means the zerg has to make extra lings/spines and pull more drones just to defend it. In the end, the Terran usually comes out equal footing economically, or ahead, and if Zerg messes up the defence, it's auto win.
On the other hand, when Zerg does aggressive builds, they are always trading drones and economy for it, always. And when Zerg is suppose to stay a base ahead of Terran and ahead of workers, these early aggression puts them at a much much bigger risk; and hence why people tend to call it cheesy.
nice double standard lol.
why do people bitch about cheese still. gosh its part of the game.
I don't understand why that is double standard, I clearly explained the difference. And I'm not complaining about cheese, there's definitely nothing wrong with it, and yes people need to stfu about symbol cheesing.
But I was just merely replying to people saying Terran's pressure builds are the same as cheese, when it's not, it's just the difference in race mechanics that allows Terran to do that and almost never be behind economically afterward, while it's completely different for Zerg.
A few months ago whenever you saw a zerg try to do an all in on MKP, he always deflected it it like it was absolutely nothing, these days it seems like the only player who has beaten MKP in a macro game was PartinG on Tal'darim Altar at MLG Winter Champ.
I think MKP needs to really train against all in / cheese attacks, it seems to be all thats really keeping him back, if you look at IPL, versus aLive, 2 proxy marauders and squirtle was 2 base attacks with no intention of a 3rd.
Feels like he just wanna get into a later game scenario, but Symbol studied him, figured out he was weak to those attacks, and took advantage of it.
On April 16 2012 06:45 Hiea wrote: A few months ago whenever you saw a zerg try to do an all in on MKP, he always deflected it it like it was absolutely nothing, these days it seems like the only player who has beaten MKP in a macro game was PartinG on Tal'darim Altar at MLG Winter Champ.
I think MKP needs to really train against all in / cheese attacks, it seems to be all thats really keeping him back, if you look at IPL, versus aLive, 2 proxy marauders and squirtle was 2 base attacks with no intention of a 3rd.
Feels like he just wanna get into a later game scenario, but Symbol studied him, figured out he was weak to those attacks, and took advantage of it.
You mean scouting it....he doesnt need to train vs cheese he can hold it off he just doesnt know its coming everytime
On April 16 2012 06:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression.
Lol fucking symbol and his cheese can't win a standard macro game like MKP. fun day.
MarineKing can't choose a safe opener, complain more.
On April 16 2012 06:45 Hiea wrote: A few months ago whenever you saw a zerg try to do an all in on MKP, he always deflected it it like it was absolutely nothing, these days it seems like the only player who has beaten MKP in a macro game was PartinG on Tal'darim Altar at MLG Winter Champ.
I think MKP needs to really train against all in / cheese attacks, it seems to be all thats really keeping him back, if you look at IPL, versus aLive, 2 proxy marauders and squirtle was 2 base attacks with no intention of a 3rd.
Feels like he just wanna get into a later game scenario, but Symbol studied him, figured out he was weak to those attacks, and took advantage of it.
You mean scouting it....he doesnt need to train vs cheese he can hold it off he just doesnt know its coming everytime
If he's gonna try and follow up every early aggression/cheese/whatever you want to call it when double CC every time, the least he can do is try and scout to make sure he doesn't get all inned while he's weak.
Symbol took a gamble that MKP was going to try and be super greedy behind the aggression and he got it right both times. MKP just played a bit too risky against an opponent who wasn't afraid to take his own risks.
On April 16 2012 06:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression.
Lol fucking symbol and his cheese can't win a standard macro game like MKP. fun day.
MarineKing can't choose a safe opener, complain more.
/sarcasm.
Just fucking around. People all heated and shit. It kinda reminds me of when a foreigner wins a series off a korean, like Thorzain Alicia yesterday.
On April 16 2012 06:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression.
Lol fucking symbol and his cheese can't win a standard macro game like MKP. fun day.
MarineKing can't choose a safe opener, complain more.
/sarcasm.
Just fucking around. People all heated and shit. It kinda reminds me of when a foreigner wins a series off a korean, like Thorzain Alicia yesterday.
Thorzain plays TvP exactly like (and as well as) a Korean. People shouldn't be surprised when he takes games off them in that matchup.
On April 16 2012 06:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: I drink in the tears of the butthurt fans. Failed 2 rax into 3CC + medivacs is a terrible transition and MKP deserves to be punished. Did he really think he could get away with a 1 base hellion elevator push into 3CC too? I'm sorry but you're not playing foreign zergs, Korean zergs will maul you at the slightest hint of weakness. 1 rax CC would have been so much more stable and given him a better chance to execute his midgame aggression.
Lol fucking symbol and his cheese can't win a standard macro game like MKP. fun day.
MarineKing can't choose a safe opener, complain more.
/sarcasm.
Just fucking around. People all heated and shit. It kinda reminds me of when a foreigner wins a series off a korean, like Thorzain Alicia yesterday.
Thorzain plays TvP exactly like (and as well as) a Korean. People shouldn't be surprised when he takes games off them in that matchup.
Thorzain is a beast. I still remember his Thor builds in TSL3. Guy broke the game.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
lol, why are people telling MKP to just play standard? You realise he got many wins by being greedy, right? A lot of the game is about cutting corners (no scout, fast 3rd) and getting away with it. It is all about risk and reward.
Do you think MKP just 'forgot' to scout? It was done to gain a slight econ advantage and he either felt the chance of 1 base all-in was small (which is true in the current meta) or he could hold it off. Obviously, it did not work out that game. However, if he played 'standard' every game, his opponents would have builds which counters that.
It is the same as people saying July/MC would own if he knew when to stop his aggression. Of course, the ideal play would play as aggressive as possible without being overaggressive but since the players don't get to see what their opponent has, this is impossible. Aggressive players are always walking the fine line between being aggressive and overly aggressive.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i make sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
now you are doing same thing for NesTea
MKP doesnt have 80%+ TvZ winrate
winrate isnt everything.
Oz have 46% PvT but you cant tell "his PvT is bad" after watching GSL games.
also you can beat 1st rate ZvZ with practicing 2nd rate zergs.Jaedong's practice partners full of B teamers
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
now you are doing same thing for NesTea
MKP doesnt have 80%+ TvZ winrate
winrate isnt everything.
Oz have 46% PvT but you cant tell "his PvT is bad" after watching GSL games.
also you can beat 1st rate ZvZ with practicing 2nd rate zergs.Jaedong's practice partners full of B teamers
Oz has bad PVT did you not see his games against MarineKing today? He went 0-4 and none of the games were even remotely close.
On April 16 2012 06:10 vndods wrote: Still can't believe MKP lost 0-3 to one of those forever border Code A/Code B dwellers. Kind of embarrassing but whatever
Just shows how ignorant ppl are when it comes to Code B "dwellers". There's plenty of talent in there, they just haven't had countless opportunities to show their skill like MKP even though they're just as good if not better players
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
now you are doing same thing for NesTea
MKP doesnt have 80%+ TvZ winrate
winrate isnt everything.
Oz have 46% PvT but you cant tell "his PvT is bad" after watching GSL games.
also you can beat 1st rate ZvZ with practicing 2nd rate zergs.Jaedong's practice partners full of B teamers
Oz has bad PVT did you not see his games against MarineKing today? He went 0-4 and none of the games were even remotely close.
hmm then, how about MC's PvP?
its 72% win rate but everyone know his best match up is PvZ with 55% win rate.
i mean TLPD dont prove anything, players practicing and improve their weakness.
On April 16 2012 05:46 Canucklehead wrote: Symbol reminding me of stephano. No chance to beat mkp for real, so has to rely on all ins.
did you realize that last game was 2 rax by MKP?
2 rax isn't cheese. It's just a pressure move.
The only type of 2 rax that isn't cheese is 12/14. Every other 2 rax, you have to cut scvs to pull off which is pretty cheesy imo.
Actually it isn't. The reasoning is, when you do those 2 rax openings that cuts SCV, the Zerg has to sacrifice even more economy to deal with it (making more lings, spine, pull drones etc). So in the end, it either puts the terran on even ground economically, or ahead. So to say that all 2 rax are cheese besides 12/14 is plain out wrong. I do agree that going to the extreme of pulling an extra 3-4 scv's to make 3 bunkers is somewhat cheesy tho.
Not true. If you define cheese as a strategy that HAS to do damage in order to compensate for risks made to make the strategy stronger, then only 12/14 stands as a build that has no risks/economic losses to make up for. If an 11/11 doesn't do significant damage, trust me, the terran is plenty behind
Just watched the games. Beautiful play by Symbol. Sure it was a bit cheesy, but they were all well executed and he did what he had to do. Part of MKP's dominance came from him getting away with all sorts of greedy play and Symbol just stomped him for it with nasty roach-timings. What was he supposed to do? Just play standard and get owned like every other Zerg?
Three of the 4 players are probably ones we expected to make it to Ro16 in GSL but didn't. So I think it is kind of nice to be able to see aLive, MMA and Nestea in Iron Squid. Symbol is one of the better zergs in Code A so hopefully this will give him confidence and help him get to code S. We need more zergs in Code S.
On April 16 2012 15:33 kmh wrote: MKP's greedy style got completely exposed by Symbol. I'm so happy for this. Maybe this will teach MKP to scout or be less greedy.
This will teach MKP not to play a tourney right after coming back from a NA lan. What was he thinking
On April 16 2012 15:33 kmh wrote: MKP's greedy style got completely exposed by Symbol. I'm so happy for this. Maybe this will teach MKP to scout or be less greedy.
This will teach MKP not to play a tourney right after coming back from a NA lan. What was he thinking
oh yeah, because it's not like he had more time than he had when playing GSL right after MLG... Symbol just prepared better, stop looking for excuses to explain MKP's loss
On April 16 2012 15:33 kmh wrote: MKP's greedy style got completely exposed by Symbol. I'm so happy for this. Maybe this will teach MKP to scout or be less greedy.
This will teach MKP not to play a tourney right after coming back from a NA lan. What was he thinking
oh yeah, because it's not like he had more time than he had when playing GSL right after MLG... Symbol just prepared better, stop looking for excuses to explain MKP's loss
their terran god stomped 3-0, let them find excuses lol.
On April 16 2012 15:33 kmh wrote: MKP's greedy style got completely exposed by Symbol. I'm so happy for this. Maybe this will teach MKP to scout or be less greedy.
This will teach MKP not to play a tourney right after coming back from a NA lan. What was he thinking
oh yeah, because it's not like he had more time than he had when playing GSL right after MLG... Symbol just prepared better, stop looking for excuses to explain MKP's loss
What? He played bad in the GSL also, almost losing to July, he even said in his interview that he struggled because he just went back from MLG. I don't explain why he lost, it's fine to lose if you play at your usual level ^^
On April 16 2012 15:33 kmh wrote: MKP's greedy style got completely exposed by Symbol. I'm so happy for this. Maybe this will teach MKP to scout or be less greedy.
This will teach MKP not to play a tourney right after coming back from a NA lan. What was he thinking
oh yeah, because it's not like he had more time than he had when playing GSL right after MLG... Symbol just prepared better, stop looking for excuses to explain MKP's loss
What? He played bad in the GSL also, almost losing to July, he even said in his interview that he struggled because he just went back from MLG. I don't explain why he lost, it's fine to lose if you play at your usual level ^^
MKP played on his usual level, every single agression denied by Symbol.
ahhhh the sweet tears of mkp fanboys. i feel like cartman at the end of 'scott tenorman must die' on a serious note, are the vods up anywhere? checked the website but couldnt find them
On April 17 2012 05:38 halfies wrote: ahhhh the sweet tears of mkp fanboys. i feel like cartman at the end of 'scott tenorman must die' on a serious note, are the vods up anywhere? checked the website but couldnt find them
Will the finals' announcement be community news this time? I feel this tournament has been in serious need of promotion as it is far superior than most we hear of all the time and is not even getting half the hype. On the other hand, maybe I am wrong and the organizers are less interested in an international audience than they are in a french audience and are very happy with their current results.
Surprised that *only* 2 of the 4 semifinal spots are Terran, considering it could have been all Terran. Hopefully Nestea vs. MMA finals, although aLive is beasting atm
On April 16 2012 17:15 grtgrt1 wrote: So Alive now has the tournement ez-pz?
I'd rather watch him destroy MKP in the finals since he plays godlike in TvT, his games against NesTea at IPL4 were great and so, but I like one-sided games for some reason.
On April 16 2012 17:15 grtgrt1 wrote: So Alive now has the tournement ez-pz?
I'd rather watch him destroy MKP in the finals since he plays godlike in TvT, his games against NesTea at IPL4 were great and so, but I like one-sided games for some reason.
MKP is still 3-2 against alive this year, with both losses coming to proxy marauders lawl
On April 19 2012 01:12 VavPK wrote: You guys crazy talking like anyone but MMA wins this...
If he makes it past Alive, it's pretty heavily MMA favored since both Nestea and Symbol showed potential TvZ weaknesses in both group stages and the Ro8, and we all know how good MMA's TvZ is. Alive is a great TvTer though.
On April 17 2012 05:38 halfies wrote: ahhhh the sweet tears of mkp fanboys. i feel like cartman at the end of 'scott tenorman must die' on a serious note, are the vods up anywhere? checked the website but couldnt find them
should be up tomorrow if everything goes fine
The VoD's of the 2nd quarter final are Online! VoD's here!
Anyway, can't wait to see what Symbol will propose for the semi-finals! As Kaoru said during the stream, get ready to build a statue!!!! xD
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
EPT![[image loading]](http://ironsquid.tv/data/img/season1/Fly%20quarts3.jpg)
Iron Squid![[image loading]](http://screensnapr.com/e/Ez2NoM.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.ironsquid.tv/data/uploads/players/UfyTZIesVYIBNW74/nestea.jpg)
VS ![[image loading]](http://www.ironsquid.tv/data/uploads/players/YBtvYJXXjzKA5uPf/jjakji.jpg)
NSHoseo Jjakji![[image loading]](http://www.ironsquid.tv/data/uploads/players/uZB1s8IEMiljDJTC/marineking.jpg)
VS ![[image loading]](http://www.ironsquid.tv/data/uploads/players/BBJAxrCOwJLn3BKT/symbol.jpg)
TSL Symbol
5/8 are Terran... 
