lol, why are people telling MKP to just play standard? You realise he got many wins by being greedy, right? A lot of the game is about cutting corners (no scout, fast 3rd) and getting away with it. It is all about risk and reward.
Do you think MKP just 'forgot' to scout? It was done to gain a slight econ advantage and he either felt the chance of 1 base all-in was small (which is true in the current meta) or he could hold it off. Obviously, it did not work out that game. However, if he played 'standard' every game, his opponents would have builds which counters that.
It is the same as people saying July/MC would own if he knew when to stop his aggression. Of course, the ideal play would play as aggressive as possible without being overaggressive but since the players don't get to see what their opponent has, this is impossible. Aggressive players are always walking the fine line between being aggressive and overly aggressive.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i make sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
now you are doing same thing for NesTea
MKP doesnt have 80%+ TvZ winrate
winrate isnt everything.
Oz have 46% PvT but you cant tell "his PvT is bad" after watching GSL games.
also you can beat 1st rate ZvZ with practicing 2nd rate zergs.Jaedong's practice partners full of B teamers
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
now you are doing same thing for NesTea
MKP doesnt have 80%+ TvZ winrate
winrate isnt everything.
Oz have 46% PvT but you cant tell "his PvT is bad" after watching GSL games.
also you can beat 1st rate ZvZ with practicing 2nd rate zergs.Jaedong's practice partners full of B teamers
Oz has bad PVT did you not see his games against MarineKing today? He went 0-4 and none of the games were even remotely close.
On April 16 2012 06:10 vndods wrote: Still can't believe MKP lost 0-3 to one of those forever border Code A/Code B dwellers. Kind of embarrassing but whatever
Just shows how ignorant ppl are when it comes to Code B "dwellers". There's plenty of talent in there, they just haven't had countless opportunities to show their skill like MKP even though they're just as good if not better players
On April 16 2012 06:26 DeathProfessor wrote: I know we love an underdog but damn if you were a real MKP fan I don't think you would be dancing around with joy either. That was really sad to see.
Game 1 was a major stanky limburger cheese by Symbol Game 2 was MKP tilting and trying his own major cheese and failing GG Game 3 was MKP not playing his best and Symbol easily holding off an early attack then countering
That series wasn't awesome. Game 3 was decent I will give you that.
Really I think everyone in Paris has a great shot to win, Alive vs. Nestea rematch would be great, MMA vs. Symbol I think Symbol has a punchers chance.
Here is how I think it goes down.
aLive is on fire lately I see MMA trying some 1-1-1's and surprising aLive though. Edge goes to Alive's stunning macro but a great series was had
aLive > MMA - 4-3
Nestea should handle Symbol quite easily if he can take out Stephano exhausted on Jetlag at IPL Now Nestea has time to prepare and he's going to be rested and ready
Nestea > Symbol 4-1
aLive vs. Nestea rematch. Last time aLive seemed to have a little trouble with Nestea. I think its too close to call with Nestea on a good rest. I think the MMA vs. aLive game wearies aLive to where Nestea can kill aLive with speed.
Nestea > aLive 4-2
so you are still don't underestimate Symbol.
TSL is zerg heavy team, so NesTea better worrying about this match
it doesnt matter how much you practice against 2nd rate zergs youll never beat NesTeas 1st rate ZvZ
NesTea is already in the finals
i thought MKP was already in semi final?!
at least all of them better zergs than IdrA, if IdrA takes a map against NesTea, Symbol will beat him
are we talking abot the same tournament?
sorry, i made sarcasm.
everyone said "mkp already in semi-final, ezpz 3-0, 3-1" before the match.
now you are doing same thing for NesTea
MKP doesnt have 80%+ TvZ winrate
winrate isnt everything.
Oz have 46% PvT but you cant tell "his PvT is bad" after watching GSL games.
also you can beat 1st rate ZvZ with practicing 2nd rate zergs.Jaedong's practice partners full of B teamers
Oz has bad PVT did you not see his games against MarineKing today? He went 0-4 and none of the games were even remotely close.
hmm then, how about MC's PvP?
its 72% win rate but everyone know his best match up is PvZ with 55% win rate.
i mean TLPD dont prove anything, players practicing and improve their weakness.
On April 16 2012 05:46 Canucklehead wrote: Symbol reminding me of stephano. No chance to beat mkp for real, so has to rely on all ins.
did you realize that last game was 2 rax by MKP?
2 rax isn't cheese. It's just a pressure move.
The only type of 2 rax that isn't cheese is 12/14. Every other 2 rax, you have to cut scvs to pull off which is pretty cheesy imo.
Actually it isn't. The reasoning is, when you do those 2 rax openings that cuts SCV, the Zerg has to sacrifice even more economy to deal with it (making more lings, spine, pull drones etc). So in the end, it either puts the terran on even ground economically, or ahead. So to say that all 2 rax are cheese besides 12/14 is plain out wrong. I do agree that going to the extreme of pulling an extra 3-4 scv's to make 3 bunkers is somewhat cheesy tho.
Not true. If you define cheese as a strategy that HAS to do damage in order to compensate for risks made to make the strategy stronger, then only 12/14 stands as a build that has no risks/economic losses to make up for. If an 11/11 doesn't do significant damage, trust me, the terran is plenty behind
Just watched the games. Beautiful play by Symbol. Sure it was a bit cheesy, but they were all well executed and he did what he had to do. Part of MKP's dominance came from him getting away with all sorts of greedy play and Symbol just stomped him for it with nasty roach-timings. What was he supposed to do? Just play standard and get owned like every other Zerg?
Three of the 4 players are probably ones we expected to make it to Ro16 in GSL but didn't. So I think it is kind of nice to be able to see aLive, MMA and Nestea in Iron Squid. Symbol is one of the better zergs in Code A so hopefully this will give him confidence and help him get to code S. We need more zergs in Code S.
On April 16 2012 15:33 kmh wrote: MKP's greedy style got completely exposed by Symbol. I'm so happy for this. Maybe this will teach MKP to scout or be less greedy.
This will teach MKP not to play a tourney right after coming back from a NA lan. What was he thinking
On April 16 2012 15:33 kmh wrote: MKP's greedy style got completely exposed by Symbol. I'm so happy for this. Maybe this will teach MKP to scout or be less greedy.
This will teach MKP not to play a tourney right after coming back from a NA lan. What was he thinking
oh yeah, because it's not like he had more time than he had when playing GSL right after MLG... Symbol just prepared better, stop looking for excuses to explain MKP's loss
On April 16 2012 15:33 kmh wrote: MKP's greedy style got completely exposed by Symbol. I'm so happy for this. Maybe this will teach MKP to scout or be less greedy.
This will teach MKP not to play a tourney right after coming back from a NA lan. What was he thinking
oh yeah, because it's not like he had more time than he had when playing GSL right after MLG... Symbol just prepared better, stop looking for excuses to explain MKP's loss
their terran god stomped 3-0, let them find excuses lol.
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