EPT[GSL] 2012 Season 2 Code S Ro32 Group F - Page 99
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
except Virus, again :p  I would be much more surprised if all GSL champions suddenly vanished after losing in Code A Ro48 against randoms (because there are randoms at this level on the other hand). Then again, it's not impossible :D I'm just hoping it won't be the case but for now GSL is fine with me. + Show Spoiler + Wait until MKP loses and I'll be like "WTF IS THIS JOKE?". Biggest MKP fan :D | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
not only failing, but failing after killing fanfavourite nada. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:20 Chunhyang wrote: Squirtle and Leenock. Protoss on a roll, and Leenock is cyclical, he's due for a high. MMA has become predictable, and Nada has dropped off a bit. Got it, but I have no idea why I was so confident in saying MMA would drop, because he's damn good. I just think that MMA is really too vulnerable to be called the best player in the world. I think though it may have been the lack of preparation for this one, rather than fatigue or lack of determination or poor execution. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On April 12 2012 23:58 Chunhyang wrote: Got it, but I have no idea why I was so confident in saying MMA would drop, because he's damn good. I just think that MMA is really too vulnerable to be called the best player in the world. I think though it may have been the lack of preparation for this one, rather than fatigue or lack of determination or poor execution. MMA's looking dodgy in both TvP and TvT now, with his TvP record speaking for itself and notable TvT losses recently against players like Puma, MKP and Bomber, players who a few months ago MMA would be heavily favoured against. At the same time, it's hard to say he's looking bad in the MU, having beaten Jjakji, Polt and GhostKing too, quite recently. He's still normally a boss in TvZ. A bad day against probably the second best ZvT out there might be poor for MMA, but nobody else (maybe MKP). Definitely not the best player in the world, though. He could arguably have been called that at the end of last year, but no more. | ||
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Laplaces_imp
368 Posts
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MentalGNT
Denmark1264 Posts
On April 12 2012 21:53 poorcloud wrote: His TvP was rather decent at that period of time when he was dominating. I remember him pulling out 1 million variations of marine tank pushes and dominating players like huk. To be fair, terran was extremely favoured at that time thanks to 1 1 1 but his TvP is still good enough to match the likes of MC. I think people is underrating Mvp's TvP. He still has a 63 % winrate which is actually higher than DRG's ZvT. Of course during Mvp's prime terran was favored in TvP which has of course affected his winrate, but still... His TvP is FAR from bad. | ||
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MONXY FIST
United States142 Posts
You ever thought that maybe the inconsistency was the fact that tournaments are more frequent? Therefore increasing the chances of a player having a bad season? Or maybe its the fact that korean players are flying all over the place when you travel so much it can take a toll on a person. Starcraft 2 players in general practice less then BW players. The SC2 Scene is different then the BW scene in more ways then just the game they play. We have had multiple winners multiple runners ups we have players who are heavy favorites etc. You can tell the top players from the mediocre and that's whats important. | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On April 12 2012 22:22 MrMercuG wrote: Also 4 previous Code S champions down O.O What is this madness?! ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:20 MONXY FIST wrote: Have people ever thought that the reason we just don't have a player of Flash caliber is simply that the players are not good enough? We had very inconsistent players in BW to. There was fluke winners who would win a starleague and fall down into mediocrity. There were players who were proleague monsters but failed in proleague. Even Flash has fallen early in starleagues.Hell SAVIOR struggled to qualify for on starleague at his peak. You ever thought that maybe the inconsistency was the fact that tournaments are more frequent? Therefore increasing the chances of a player having a bad season? Or maybe its the fact that korean players are flying all over the place when you travel so much it can take a toll on a person. Starcraft 2 players in general practice less then BW players. The SC2 Scene is different then the BW scene in more ways then just the game they play. We have had multiple winners multiple runners ups we have players who are heavy favorites etc. You can tell the top players from the mediocre and that's whats important. Yea it's definitely a possibility as well, that the players in general just aren't good enough (at least not yet). The difference between BW and SC2 is, upsets happen not too often, so that when it does, it actually adds excitement and surprise factors to the game. And this is true in every other sports too, upsets happens here and there and that's what makes it fun. It is rare in NBA or NHL that an 8th seed beats 1st in the playoff, but when it does happen, it is actually a fun shock. But when it happens so often, like in SC2 (literally every season, can happen to every one including top4's from previous), then it just creates a sense of randomness and volatility for the spectators. It's bad for sponsorship too; should we dedicate money to sponsor this player when there is a decent chance that he'll just fall off early on in the next season? Probably not. | ||
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Mlex
Canada324 Posts
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PradamadeR
123 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote: ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. U forgot Polt who dropped yesterday  | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote: ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. Polt. Now we just need group e to be inca and virus and MVP to drop from group G | ||
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Geegeez
Canada226 Posts
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Xarles
459 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote: ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. There's also Polt, as other fellow posters were happy to correct me earlier on heh. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote: ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. Well there was that one guy, won some small time gsl tournament awhile ago, so I guess he counts too | ||
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MONXY FIST
United States142 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:31 Fubi wrote: Yea it's definitely a possibility as well, that the players in general just aren't good enough (at least not yet). The difference between BW and SC2 is, upsets happen not too often, so that when it does, it actually adds excitement and surprise factors to the game. And this is true in every other sports too, upsets happens here and there and that's what makes it fun. It is rare in NBA or NHL that an 8th seed beats 1st in the playoff, but when it does happen, it is actually a fun shock. But when it happens so often, like in SC2 (literally every season, can happen to every one including top4's from previous), then it just creates a sense of randomness and volatility for the spectators. It's bad for sponsorship too; should we dedicate money to sponsor this player when there is a decent chance that he'll just fall off early on in the next season? Probably not. I agree with you that SC2 is more Volatile then BW but this could because of multiple reason or a combination of reason people just jumped to the game itself before considering other options. The worst part about this discusion is its just like balance talk. Person from said race lost to another race, ITS IMMEDIATELY A BALANCE PROBLEM!!!!! No one ever talks about the games or the players and how they played, its the game fault. The same thing, while i didn't see the games today i would probably bet that MMA played bad today that's not a SC2 problem that's a MMA problem. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:31 Fubi wrote: But when it happens so often, like in SC2 (literally every season, can happen to every one including top4's from previous), then it just creates a sense of randomness and volatility for the spectators. It's bad for sponsorship too; should we dedicate money to sponsor this player when there is a decent chance that he'll just fall off early on in the next season? Probably not. As far as the "top4 from previous" comment goes, the fact that in OSLs the semifinalists are seeded into the Ro16, and the Ro16 from last season n.i. the top 4 are seeded into the Ro24 probably helps with consistency between seasons. The format in GSL has it so that it's deliberately very hard to be consistent, because at the end of last year that's what all the feedback we gave them said - more chances for up-and-coming players to rise up, more chances for the older generation (Ensnare et al) to fall. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:17 Laplaces_imp wrote: in some ways i am glad to see MMA not doing that hot anymore, it means i can start cheering for him again, lol. I don't mean that 100% but it is kind of boring cheering for the dude that wins EVERYTHING I understand what you are feeling.. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On April 13 2012 00:38 SeaSwift wrote: As far as the "top4 from previous" comment goes, the fact that in OSLs the semifinalists are seeded into the Ro16, and the Ro16 from last season n.i. the top 4 are seeded into the Ro24 probably helps with consistency between seasons. The format in GSL has it so that it's deliberately very hard to be consistent, because at the end of last year that's what all the feedback we gave them said - more chances for up-and-coming players to rise up, more chances for the older generation (Ensnare et al) to fall. Yea that's true too. It was definitely a hard decision to decide whether they should make it more forgiving and risk allowing bad players to stay, or adding even more randomness to an already very volatile game and risk having actual good players drop out early. I guess the answer is definitely to find a perfect sweet spot or a balance; I just don't think we're there yet at all, and some changes, whether its how the game works or how the tournaments are run, can work. | ||
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