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On April 13 2012 03:31 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 03:18 nihlon wrote:On April 13 2012 03:05 SupLilSon wrote:On April 13 2012 02:05 Flonomenalz wrote:On April 13 2012 01:59 Fubi wrote:On April 13 2012 01:24 Flonomenalz wrote:On April 13 2012 00:38 SeaSwift wrote:On April 13 2012 00:31 Fubi wrote:On April 13 2012 00:20 MONXY FIST wrote:
Have people ever thought that the reason we just don't have a player of Flash caliber is simply that the players are not good enough? We had very inconsistent players in BW to. There was fluke winners who would win a starleague and fall down into mediocrity. There were players who were proleague monsters but failed in proleague. Even Flash has fallen early in starleagues.Hell SAVIOR struggled to qualify for on starleague at his peak.
You ever thought that maybe the inconsistency was the fact that tournaments are more frequent? Therefore increasing the chances of a player having a bad season? Or maybe its the fact that korean players are flying all over the place when you travel so much it can take a toll on a person. Starcraft 2 players in general practice less then BW players. The SC2 Scene is different then the BW scene in more ways then just the game they play. We have had multiple winners multiple runners ups we have players who are heavy favorites etc. You can tell the top players from the mediocre and that's whats important. But when it happens so often, like in SC2 (literally every season, can happen to every one including top4's from previous), then it just creates a sense of randomness and volatility for the spectators. It's bad for sponsorship too; should we dedicate money to sponsor this player when there is a decent chance that he'll just fall off early on in the next season? Probably not. As far as the "top4 from previous" comment goes, the fact that in OSLs the semifinalists are seeded into the Ro16, and the Ro16 from last season n.i. the top 4 are seeded into the Ro24 probably helps with consistency between seasons. The format in GSL has it so that it's deliberately very hard to be consistent, because at the end of last year that's what all the feedback we gave them said - more chances for up-and-coming players to rise up, more chances for the older generation (Ensnare et al) to fall. SeaSwift, you're arguing with people that probably never watched BW or know about OSL seedings, they're just spewing out nonsense for the sake of having an argument. The fact of the matter is, Code S is really, really hard. SC2 has been out for a year and a half. Making comparisons to Federer in tennis, who has been dominating for years upon years, makes about as much sense as a fifth grader trying to do calculus. Use your freaking brains guys. GSL format makes it so hard to be consistent, that's why MVP's, Nestea's, and MC's runs of dominance where so heralded, because it's just so hard to do that. MMA has been KNOWN to have skaky TvP. He lost. Leenock has some of the best ZvT in the world, how is him beating MMA evidence of SC2 skill ceiling or randomness? Yes, MMA is the best TvZ player in the world at his best, but Leenock played arguably the most skilled ZvT in his GSL finals vs JJakji that we've ever seen. People are so quick to discredit players just because their favorites lose, and don't want to watch SC2 to see good game play, they want to watch to see their favorites win every time. This is like me saying, "OMG FLASH LOST TWICE IN PL IN THE SAME SERIES! BW IS RANDOM! NO SKILL CEILING!" Like, seriously? Pretty sure I've started watching BW before you were even born. And you're supporting exactly what I'm trying to say: that BW has been more consistent in terms of it's top players, and the fact that when upset actually happens (such as flash losing), it's ACTUALLY a shocker, not something that we can go "meh, happens every season, no big deal". BW is like every other sport, you don't always get the same person winning the trophy, but for the most part, the top tier players will be the ones advancing forward; and when they don't it's actually a real shocker. The fact that Federer can dominate for so long, so consistently, due to his pure skills, further proves that Tennis has a system and is balanced (multiple sets, multiple games per set, 4 points per game, etc) and measures skills almost perfectly. SC2 on the other hand, doesn't do this. And you exactly nailed one of the reason right now: the tournament format. It doesn't allow for consistency, because it is VERY easy to lose 1-2 sets of Bo3 in SC2, where the game is all about death-balling your army, and making one mistake can be the end of the game. It's almost like watching a basketball game that only lasts 5mins, and so whoever misses the first shot will lose. What SC2 are you watching where every game is about deathballing your army? Not anymore... not even close. In BW one mistake can lose you the game as well, I don't know when this became exclusive to SC2. The fact that Federer and Flash dominate so much is less about the game and more about them being THAT good. At one point in SC2, Nestea, MVP, and MC were THAT far ahead of everyone else. But it is a young game, and people catch up. People are making hasty generalizations compared to games/sports that have been going on for a much longer time frame. Sheesh. Stop comparing BW to SC2, it's like comparing Chess to Checkers. People can bleet on about how SC2 is new and people are still figuring out the game but honestly how many game changing innovations have their been? TvP has been MMMVG forever. 1-1-1 fell out of favor mostly due to balance changes and not anyone figuring it out. TvZ has been MMM Tank since forever. Zerg's finally started using infestors and actually getting their Tier3, I guess, some pretty intense innovation there (even though destiny had been doing it since forever, no one took him seriously though). Protoss found out that chargelots are better than stalkers and that having both collosus and high temps is pretty stronk. Biggest game play change out of protoss was the decrease in 4 gate usage (thanks to patches). The game is pretty stagnant. The strategies we see now are pretty reminiscient of the strategies from a year ago. Doesn't look like anything is going to change drastically until HOTS comes out. I dare you to go and actually watch 1 year old games and then come back to say they are basically the same. It's not just about build orders... No it's not, I agree. But balance patches and drastic map changes have contributed more than any one player in altering the game play. The players are all better, pros make a lot less mistakes, everyone's gameplay is much crisper. But actually strategies? Yea, some early rushes have been figured out and are now pretty uncommon but nothing huge.
Terrans:
- Ghosts in TvZ? Before MVP and to a lesser extent Thorzain, all terrans did was bitch and moan about T3 zerg. Then those two came along and showed just how powerful the unit could be and the complaining switched sides.
- MKP seems to be on to something with his tankless style as of late.
- Hellion usage increased dramatically in all match ups. Especially in TvZ when Slayers terrans wrecked zergs at MLG
- Terrans are a lot more macro-oriented than they were back then. Would credit Jinro and MVP with this.
Zerg:
- While not the originator of the style, I think Stephano has been a huge influence on zerg play considering he revitalized the ling/infestor style and also seems to be single-handedly breaking ZvP with his roaches.
- Spanishiwa's late gas builds are still used.
- Burrowed Banelings really caught on. Nestea, Leenock, and Moon (lol) I guess should get the credit here.
- Fast third hatcheries and delayed gas against FFE. Nestea and Losira seem to be the ones who popularized this.
- Mass Spinecrawler usage. ...Think Nestea gets the credit on this one from what I recall. First used against sC.
- Think Nestea is responsible for the return of more muta play in ZvZ.
Protoss:
- Think Kiwikaki was the first person to really utilize Mothership's regularly with the archon toilet.
- Whitera used warp prisms before they were cool. I believe even Sage said his play was inspired by him.
- Creator gets credit on the double-forge upgrade-centric style
- Maybe give Parting credit for his expansive style that makes TvP look downright broken.
Those are probably the main ones that I can think of off the top of my head. In particular I think PvZ/ZvP has been the most polarized and dynamic matchup. Even to this day, I feel that MU is still evolving. Not necessarily the best MU though...far from it.
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meeeh GSL without MMA thats hurts =/
it is really looking not that well for terrans this season, but there's still MKP,Maru, (Mvp) left :D
so there is hope for me!!
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MMA gone  Nada gone 
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On April 13 2012 06:28 red4ce wrote:MMA gone Nada gone
seriously how can one not like mma
so handsome,mannered,!!good looking!!, beautiful clean playstyle, boxers true son
// fanboyism off ;D
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i see my squirtle has evolved into a wortortle
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On April 13 2012 06:37 NanowaX wrote:seriously how can one not like mma so handsome,mannered,!!good looking!!, beautiful clean playstyle, boxers true son // fanboyism off ;D
everyone has their players that they just don't like for whatever reason. for me personally it's mkp (which i'm sure someone will come crucify me for) but it's how it is. to each their own.
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On April 13 2012 03:56 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 03:52 SupLilSon wrote:On April 13 2012 03:44 boxturtle wrote:
This is getting a bit ridiculous. Terrans need to start building 2-3 vikings at least against Squirtle if they don't see a third base. His colo timings are going unscouted and beating the living crap out of top tier Terrans. 2-3 vikings won't help that much and if Protoss doesn't go Collo then huge waste of supply and your medivac/bio count will suffer and you'll just lose to double forge/temps. Shitty matchup but w/e. Maybe, but against him specifically it would probably be a good idea, given that he's 7-0 with the same build (with slight variations) during the last couple of days, all vs top korean terrrans.
This exactly. He's beaten MKP, MMA, and even initiated a 0-2 comeback on the first set against aLive with that build. I'm getting the feeling that it's well nigh impossible to stop with only MMM. It's reminiscent of the build naNi used heavily during MLG Providence against Zerg. It would go unscouted and he'd stomp all over them.
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NOOOOO FFFFFFF WAY!?
MMA?! LOST?! a TVZ?!
This is the most unexpected thing to happen in sc2 ! As far as I can tell from MMA's TLPD, he hasn't lost a single TvZ series! How on earth could leenock be the first to beat this kid after alll this time?! o.0
Amazing!
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On April 13 2012 07:47 Cereb wrote:
NOOOOO FFFFFFF WAY!?
MMA?! LOST?! a TVZ?!
This is the most unexpected thing to happen in sc2 ! As far as I can tell from MMA's TLPD, he hasn't lost a single TvZ series! How on earth could leenock be the first to beat this kid after alll this time?! o.0
Amazing!
He got beaten by Leenock already in MLG Providence, as well as by Lucky in IPL and maybe in another tourney too.
TvZ is hard these days and MMA's TvZ is a bit overrated.
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On April 13 2012 07:52 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 07:47 Cereb wrote:
NOOOOO FFFFFFF WAY!?
MMA?! LOST?! a TVZ?!
This is the most unexpected thing to happen in sc2 ! As far as I can tell from MMA's TLPD, he hasn't lost a single TvZ series! How on earth could leenock be the first to beat this kid after alll this time?! o.0
Amazing! He got beaten by Leenock already in MLG Providence, as well as by Lucky in IPL and maybe in another tourney too. TvZ is hard these days and MMA's TvZ is a bit overrated.
Ah ty, I missed that!
Still no way I'm calling it overrated, at all! If you look at the list of players he's slain it's still quite sick.
And I definitely don't agree with the TvZ is hard these days.
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On April 13 2012 07:52 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 07:47 Cereb wrote:
NOOOOO FFFFFFF WAY!?
MMA?! LOST?! a TVZ?!
This is the most unexpected thing to happen in sc2 ! As far as I can tell from MMA's TLPD, he hasn't lost a single TvZ series! How on earth could leenock be the first to beat this kid after alll this time?! o.0
Amazing! He got beaten by Leenock already in MLG Providence, as well as by Lucky in IPL and maybe in another tourney too. TvZ is hard these days and MMA's TvZ is a bit overrated.
I think that it's less that it's over rated and more that people have caught on to how he plays. When he first burst onto the scene and was slaying zergs left and right, everyone just kept saying "how do you defend someone who drops you in so many spots at once?" As time's gone on, I think people have started to figure out how to beat his style.
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On April 13 2012 07:26 Spicy_Curry wrote:
i see my squirtle has evolved into a wortortle
Overall results: 
Squirtle evolves to Code S Ro16
Leenock advances to Code S Ro16
MMA falls to Code A Ro32 :[
NaDa falls to Code A Ro48 T-T
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On April 13 2012 07:52 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 07:47 Cereb wrote:
NOOOOO FFFFFFF WAY!?
MMA?! LOST?! a TVZ?!
This is the most unexpected thing to happen in sc2 ! As far as I can tell from MMA's TLPD, he hasn't lost a single TvZ series! How on earth could leenock be the first to beat this kid after alll this time?! o.0
Amazing! He got beaten by Leenock already in MLG Providence, as well as by Lucky in IPL and maybe in another tourney too. TvZ is hard these days and MMA's TvZ is a bit overrated.
losing 3 matches in 6month and you call him overrated really? .
No player wins 100% in a matchup But MMA is proberly still the best TvZ player in the world
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On April 13 2012 06:24 NanowaX wrote:
meeeh GSL without MMA thats hurts =/
it is really looking not that well for terrans this season, but there's still MKP,Maru, (Mvp) left :D
so there is hope for me!!
Actually, there are currently 5 Terrans, 5 Protosses, and 2 Zergs in the Ro16, so Terrans are looking fine. 
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On April 13 2012 04:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 03:31 SupLilSon wrote:On April 13 2012 03:18 nihlon wrote:On April 13 2012 03:05 SupLilSon wrote:On April 13 2012 02:05 Flonomenalz wrote:On April 13 2012 01:59 Fubi wrote:On April 13 2012 01:24 Flonomenalz wrote:On April 13 2012 00:38 SeaSwift wrote:On April 13 2012 00:31 Fubi wrote:On April 13 2012 00:20 MONXY FIST wrote:
Have people ever thought that the reason we just don't have a player of Flash caliber is simply that the players are not good enough? We had very inconsistent players in BW to. There was fluke winners who would win a starleague and fall down into mediocrity. There were players who were proleague monsters but failed in proleague. Even Flash has fallen early in starleagues.Hell SAVIOR struggled to qualify for on starleague at his peak.
You ever thought that maybe the inconsistency was the fact that tournaments are more frequent? Therefore increasing the chances of a player having a bad season? Or maybe its the fact that korean players are flying all over the place when you travel so much it can take a toll on a person. Starcraft 2 players in general practice less then BW players. The SC2 Scene is different then the BW scene in more ways then just the game they play. We have had multiple winners multiple runners ups we have players who are heavy favorites etc. You can tell the top players from the mediocre and that's whats important. But when it happens so often, like in SC2 (literally every season, can happen to every one including top4's from previous), then it just creates a sense of randomness and volatility for the spectators. It's bad for sponsorship too; should we dedicate money to sponsor this player when there is a decent chance that he'll just fall off early on in the next season? Probably not. As far as the "top4 from previous" comment goes, the fact that in OSLs the semifinalists are seeded into the Ro16, and the Ro16 from last season n.i. the top 4 are seeded into the Ro24 probably helps with consistency between seasons. The format in GSL has it so that it's deliberately very hard to be consistent, because at the end of last year that's what all the feedback we gave them said - more chances for up-and-coming players to rise up, more chances for the older generation (Ensnare et al) to fall. SeaSwift, you're arguing with people that probably never watched BW or know about OSL seedings, they're just spewing out nonsense for the sake of having an argument. The fact of the matter is, Code S is really, really hard. SC2 has been out for a year and a half. Making comparisons to Federer in tennis, who has been dominating for years upon years, makes about as much sense as a fifth grader trying to do calculus. Use your freaking brains guys. GSL format makes it so hard to be consistent, that's why MVP's, Nestea's, and MC's runs of dominance where so heralded, because it's just so hard to do that. MMA has been KNOWN to have skaky TvP. He lost. Leenock has some of the best ZvT in the world, how is him beating MMA evidence of SC2 skill ceiling or randomness? Yes, MMA is the best TvZ player in the world at his best, but Leenock played arguably the most skilled ZvT in his GSL finals vs JJakji that we've ever seen. People are so quick to discredit players just because their favorites lose, and don't want to watch SC2 to see good game play, they want to watch to see their favorites win every time. This is like me saying, "OMG FLASH LOST TWICE IN PL IN THE SAME SERIES! BW IS RANDOM! NO SKILL CEILING!" Like, seriously? Pretty sure I've started watching BW before you were even born. And you're supporting exactly what I'm trying to say: that BW has been more consistent in terms of it's top players, and the fact that when upset actually happens (such as flash losing), it's ACTUALLY a shocker, not something that we can go "meh, happens every season, no big deal". BW is like every other sport, you don't always get the same person winning the trophy, but for the most part, the top tier players will be the ones advancing forward; and when they don't it's actually a real shocker. The fact that Federer can dominate for so long, so consistently, due to his pure skills, further proves that Tennis has a system and is balanced (multiple sets, multiple games per set, 4 points per game, etc) and measures skills almost perfectly. SC2 on the other hand, doesn't do this. And you exactly nailed one of the reason right now: the tournament format. It doesn't allow for consistency, because it is VERY easy to lose 1-2 sets of Bo3 in SC2, where the game is all about death-balling your army, and making one mistake can be the end of the game. It's almost like watching a basketball game that only lasts 5mins, and so whoever misses the first shot will lose. What SC2 are you watching where every game is about deathballing your army? Not anymore... not even close. In BW one mistake can lose you the game as well, I don't know when this became exclusive to SC2. The fact that Federer and Flash dominate so much is less about the game and more about them being THAT good. At one point in SC2, Nestea, MVP, and MC were THAT far ahead of everyone else. But it is a young game, and people catch up. People are making hasty generalizations compared to games/sports that have been going on for a much longer time frame. Sheesh. Stop comparing BW to SC2, it's like comparing Chess to Checkers. People can bleet on about how SC2 is new and people are still figuring out the game but honestly how many game changing innovations have their been? TvP has been MMMVG forever. 1-1-1 fell out of favor mostly due to balance changes and not anyone figuring it out. TvZ has been MMM Tank since forever. Zerg's finally started using infestors and actually getting their Tier3, I guess, some pretty intense innovation there (even though destiny had been doing it since forever, no one took him seriously though). Protoss found out that chargelots are better than stalkers and that having both collosus and high temps is pretty stronk. Biggest game play change out of protoss was the decrease in 4 gate usage (thanks to patches). The game is pretty stagnant. The strategies we see now are pretty reminiscient of the strategies from a year ago. Doesn't look like anything is going to change drastically until HOTS comes out. I dare you to go and actually watch 1 year old games and then come back to say they are basically the same. It's not just about build orders... No it's not, I agree. But balance patches and drastic map changes have contributed more than any one player in altering the game play. The players are all better, pros make a lot less mistakes, everyone's gameplay is much crisper. But actually strategies? Yea, some early rushes have been figured out and are now pretty uncommon but nothing huge. Terrans: - Ghosts in TvZ? Before MVP and to a lesser extent Thorzain, all terrans did was bitch and moan about T3 zerg. Then those two came along and showed just how powerful the unit could be and the complaining switched sides. - MKP seems to be on to something with his tankless style as of late. - Hellion usage increased dramatically in all match ups. Especially in TvZ when Slayers terrans wrecked zergs at MLG - Terrans are a lot more macro-oriented than they were back then. Would credit Jinro and MVP with this. Zerg: - While not the originator of the style, I think Stephano has been a huge influence on zerg play considering he revitalized the ling/infestor style and also seems to be single-handedly breaking ZvP with his roaches. - Spanishiwa's late gas builds are still used. - Burrowed Banelings really caught on. Nestea, Leenock, and Moon (lol) I guess should get the credit here. - Fast third hatcheries and delayed gas against FFE. Nestea and Losira seem to be the ones who popularized this. - Mass Spinecrawler usage. ...Think Nestea gets the credit on this one from what I recall. First used against sC. - Think Nestea is responsible for the return of more muta play in ZvZ. Protoss: - Think Kiwikaki was the first person to really utilize Mothership's regularly with the archon toilet. - Whitera used warp prisms before they were cool. I believe even Sage said his play was inspired by him. - Creator gets credit on the double-forge upgrade-centric style - Maybe give Parting credit for his expansive style that makes TvP look downright broken. Those are probably the main ones that I can think of off the top of my head. In particular I think PvZ/ZvP has been the most polarized and dynamic matchup. Even to this day, I feel that MU is still evolving. Not necessarily the best MU though...far from it.
Well the way Fantasy was playing, it wasn't an upset he beat Flash (He even said he had a strategy ready for him and he beasted up this PL as well).
Bisu beating Flash was an upset though
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On April 13 2012 08:34 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 06:24 NanowaX wrote:
meeeh GSL without MMA thats hurts =/
it is really looking not that well for terrans this season, but there's still MKP,Maru, (Mvp) left :D
so there is hope for me!! Actually, there are currently 5 Terrans, 5 Protosses, and 2 Zergs in the Ro16, so Terrans are looking fine.
More Terrans for Parting to feast on plz.
People keep talking about Squirtle's PvT, but it really still pales in comparison to his PvZ, lol. His match win-ratio against top Zergs is ridiculous. I'm not surprised he beat MMA though, since MMA's never been stellar in TvP. Same with Leenock. And NaDa too really, so this was the best group Squirtle could possibly get.
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On April 13 2012 00:34 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote:On April 12 2012 22:22 MrMercuG wrote:On April 12 2012 22:19 Gorlin wrote:On April 12 2012 21:50 noddy wrote:
MVP's TvP was never good. He just has incredible TvT/TvZ which is why he succeeded lots, I doubt he'll have that success this season. Yeah, only a 63% win rate, awful TvP... Also 4 previous Code S champions down O.O What is this madness?! ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. Polt. Now we just need group e to be inca and virus and MVP to drop from group G
On April 13 2012 00:36 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote:On April 12 2012 22:22 MrMercuG wrote:On April 12 2012 22:19 Gorlin wrote:On April 12 2012 21:50 noddy wrote:
MVP's TvP was never good. He just has incredible TvT/TvZ which is why he succeeded lots, I doubt he'll have that success this season. Yeah, only a 63% win rate, awful TvP... Also 4 previous Code S champions down O.O What is this madness?! ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. Well there was that one guy, won some small time gsl tournament awhile ago, so I guess he counts too
On April 13 2012 00:35 Xarles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote:On April 12 2012 22:22 MrMercuG wrote:On April 12 2012 22:19 Gorlin wrote:On April 12 2012 21:50 noddy wrote:
MVP's TvP was never good. He just has incredible TvT/TvZ which is why he succeeded lots, I doubt he'll have that success this season. Yeah, only a 63% win rate, awful TvP... Also 4 previous Code S champions down O.O What is this madness?! ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. There's also Polt, as other fellow posters were happy to correct me earlier on heh.
On April 13 2012 00:34 PradamadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote:On April 12 2012 22:22 MrMercuG wrote:On April 12 2012 22:19 Gorlin wrote:On April 12 2012 21:50 noddy wrote:
MVP's TvP was never good. He just has incredible TvT/TvZ which is why he succeeded lots, I doubt he'll have that success this season. Yeah, only a 63% win rate, awful TvP... Also 4 previous Code S champions down O.O What is this madness?! ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. U forgot Polt who dropped yesterday
No, Polt didn't win code S. He won the super tournament. The statement was specifically about code S champions.
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On April 13 2012 17:19 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 00:34 ragnorr wrote:On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote:On April 12 2012 22:22 MrMercuG wrote:On April 12 2012 22:19 Gorlin wrote:On April 12 2012 21:50 noddy wrote:
MVP's TvP was never good. He just has incredible TvT/TvZ which is why he succeeded lots, I doubt he'll have that success this season. Yeah, only a 63% win rate, awful TvP... Also 4 previous Code S champions down O.O What is this madness?! ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. Polt. Now we just need group e to be inca and virus and MVP to drop from group G Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 00:36 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote:On April 12 2012 22:22 MrMercuG wrote:On April 12 2012 22:19 Gorlin wrote:On April 12 2012 21:50 noddy wrote:
MVP's TvP was never good. He just has incredible TvT/TvZ which is why he succeeded lots, I doubt he'll have that success this season. Yeah, only a 63% win rate, awful TvP... Also 4 previous Code S champions down O.O What is this madness?! ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. Well there was that one guy, won some small time gsl tournament awhile ago, so I guess he counts too Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 00:35 Xarles wrote:On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote:On April 12 2012 22:22 MrMercuG wrote:On April 12 2012 22:19 Gorlin wrote:On April 12 2012 21:50 noddy wrote:
MVP's TvP was never good. He just has incredible TvT/TvZ which is why he succeeded lots, I doubt he'll have that success this season. Yeah, only a 63% win rate, awful TvP... Also 4 previous Code S champions down O.O What is this madness?! ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. There's also Polt, as other fellow posters were happy to correct me earlier on heh. Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 00:34 PradamadeR wrote:On April 13 2012 00:30 TheBB wrote:On April 12 2012 22:22 MrMercuG wrote:On April 12 2012 22:19 Gorlin wrote:On April 12 2012 21:50 noddy wrote:
MVP's TvP was never good. He just has incredible TvT/TvZ which is why he succeeded lots, I doubt he'll have that success this season. Yeah, only a 63% win rate, awful TvP... Also 4 previous Code S champions down O.O What is this madness?! ? I count three. Jjakji, DRG, MMA. On the other hand, finalists (non-winners) are doing just fine and dandy. Genius, MKP, July, Leenock, all still in. U forgot Polt who dropped yesterday No, Polt didn't win code S. He won the super tournament. The statement was specifically about code S champions.
close enough in terms of prestige and much better in terms of cash.
FD never won a code S either
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On April 13 2012 07:35 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 06:37 NanowaX wrote:On April 13 2012 06:28 red4ce wrote:MMA gone Nada gone seriously how can one not like mma so handsome,mannered,!!good looking!!, beautiful clean playstyle, boxers true son // fanboyism off ;D everyone has their players that they just don't like for whatever reason. for me personally it's mkp (which i'm sure someone will come crucify me for) but it's how it is. to each their own.
Crucio!!
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