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vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 13:02:48
March 27 2012 13:02 GMT
#1721
GGSpire on the way already.

Stephano style.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 27 2012 13:02 GMT
#1722
Guess Seal took over while Curious went to the bathroom
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12740 Posts
March 27 2012 13:02 GMT
#1723
On March 27 2012 21:58 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 21:56 ETisME wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:54 Hider wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:52 InformationTV wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition

At least now anyways

me: just because 1 terran lose tvz late game, doesn't mean all terran lose tvz late game.


According to idra turtling mech beats it. But I have no idea what he is talking about. Is he talking about thor/viking. Only thors? Viking/ravens ?

Anyway. I think with perfect emp + viking control you have a decent chance in a straight up battle. However the problem is that getting perfect emps off every time is close to impossible, and even if you get those perfect emps off, its not like you just crush the zerg (but at leasts it gives a theoretical solution).

thor hellion tank viking raven are so strong.


Well you always still needs some tanks (dealin with potential roach tech swwitch). But how do you beat fungals + corrupters ? Ravens just seems so weak vs fungals.

you don't, vikings and thors and ravens stop corruptors so easily, you just walk your way in.
I don't remember which korean terran stream I was watching but he just dropped PDD, moved his vikings and the thors and vikings kills every anti-air the zerg had. afterward he just kill the broodlords and move in with the large mech army
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
March 27 2012 13:02 GMT
#1724
Only thing I don't like about Curious play this game is the slower upgrades, still looking very good though =)
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9443 Posts
March 27 2012 13:03 GMT
#1725
On March 27 2012 21:58 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition

At least now anyways

Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced.


Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however.


Which is exactly why we said that nerfing snipe by so much was a bad idea. Terran needs some good all around unit that can deal with both Ultra and BL/Corrupter, because zerg can tech switch to both so easily. We had Ghost and then Blizz decided to nerf that, now we're seeing the results.

¨
Well not totally agree. I can understand the zerg POV that mass snipe would just hard counter too much (and there was really no way for zergs to outmicro (avoiding) snipe - causing a bad design problem. What a terran needs is a bit more efficient way of dealing with broodlord/infestors. Overmaking vikings shouldn't be the solution.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
March 27 2012 13:03 GMT
#1726
On March 27 2012 22:01 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition

At least now anyways

Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced.


Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however.

That's an economy issue then; broodlord/corruptor is really expensive, so if the terran has let the zerg get such an economic lead that the zerg can afford to lose all his corruptors and broods and then mass out of ultra/lings, then you were probably behind anyway. In a lot of broodlord corruptor pushes the zerg uses all of his money on those units, so if he loses them he can't really afford a big tech switch.


I think that leads us to the point: Don't let zerg reach the lategame. I wouldn't call fast tech with no economy to back it up lategame.
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4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
March 27 2012 13:03 GMT
#1727
turtle mech is prety terrible vs zerg on most maps dunno why people keep suggesting it.
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
March 27 2012 13:04 GMT
#1728
note to self: spread creep like a madman
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
March 27 2012 13:05 GMT
#1729
amazing play by curious.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 27 2012 13:05 GMT
#1730
On March 27 2012 22:01 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 21:58 Destructicon wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition

At least now anyways

Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced.


Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however.


Which is exactly why we said that nerfing snipe by so much was a bad idea. Terran needs some good all around unit that can deal with both Ultra and BL/Corrupter, because zerg can tech switch to both so easily. We had Ghost and then Blizz decided to nerf that, now we're seeing the results.

Yeah it's a bitch that you don't have a unit that counters everything.


That's ironic given that mass fungals can kill almost anything and fit into any composition, and storm is in the same boat, snipe isn't even AOE.

I can see why snipe was nerfed in the context of Ghosts being so versatile, but at the same time a buff somewhere to Thors and BCs so they are more viable late game would have been appropriate.
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Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
March 27 2012 13:05 GMT
#1731
TvZ more and more starts looking like TvP. I hate the "deathball effect" in sc2 :/
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
March 27 2012 13:05 GMT
#1732
gumiho could have secured a 4th like 3 minutes ago
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 27 2012 13:06 GMT
#1733
ZzzzZzZzzz

Infestor ling into 3 bases Hive BLs is so boring to watch.
Bring back Mutalingbane against marinetank midgame fight please.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
March 27 2012 13:06 GMT
#1734
Pfff... Gumiho to Code A Ro48? Semifinals last year... these players are dropping so fast... T_T
fidelity
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden410 Posts
March 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#1735
Curious could really work on his infestor control...
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#1736
Infestor Ling zzz..
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
March 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#1737
On March 27 2012 22:05 Huragius wrote:
TvZ more and more starts looking like TvP. I hate the "deathball effect" in sc2 :/

i wish Terran could have the option to turtle to 200/200 and win too sometimes
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
March 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#1738
Blizzard: "We think snipe is too good a counter to a lot of things. So we're only going to make them useful against two things. Balance!"

I may be paraphrasing =P
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
March 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#1739
Curious should be spamming hatcheries around the map now, there's no reason not to be given how big it is.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
March 27 2012 13:07 GMT
#1740
Please tell me Curious has an ultra cavern for the tech switch once Vikings are out?
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