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On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced.
Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however.
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On March 27 2012 21:55 0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:52 Destructicon wrote:On March 27 2012 21:51 vndods wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways mechhhhhhh or kill them in the mid game. Mech isn't the answer, it just gets steamrolled harder see Leenock vs MVP at MLG Providence. Kill them in the mid game may or may not work, it depends a lot on both how the zerg and the terran handle it. MVP overmade tanks on that game and got caught off guard by the BL transition. Polt uses thors, vikings and doom drops to beat broodlord infestor.
However polt just relies on zergs making mistakes. There will be a time when zergs just learns to deal with drops and counter attacks. And then terrans needs to find a way to be somewhat efficient in a straight up battle. I think the POLT/MMA style of abusing immobillity will only work for a few more months (at top level).
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On March 27 2012 21:52 InformationTV wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways
me: just because 1 terran lose tvz late game, doesn't mean all terran lose tvz late game.
Well, it's been more than 1 game...
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On March 27 2012 21:51 Ketch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:50 figq wrote:
I really hope Gumiho loses this series somehow, because I'm kind of afraid for Hero if he has to face Gumiho for a rematch. Hero came prepared for him with smart strategies but a rematch will be much trickier for him to win. Heh, Hero played Curious today, not Gumiho Oops I meant it the other way around oO
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On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced. Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however.
Which is exactly why we said that nerfing snipe by so much was a bad idea. Terran needs some good all around unit that can deal with both Ultra and BL/Corrupter, because zerg can tech switch to both so easily. We had Ghost and then Blizz decided to nerf that, now we're seeing the results.
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On March 27 2012 21:56 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:54 Hider wrote:On March 27 2012 21:52 InformationTV wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways
me: just because 1 terran lose tvz late game, doesn't mean all terran lose tvz late game. According to idra turtling mech beats it. But I have no idea what he is talking about. Is he talking about thor/viking. Only thors? Viking/ravens ? Anyway. I think with perfect emp + viking control you have a decent chance in a straight up battle. However the problem is that getting perfect emps off every time is close to impossible, and even if you get those perfect emps off, its not like you just crush the zerg (but at leasts it gives a theoretical solution). thor hellion tank viking raven are so strong.
Well you always still needs some tanks (dealin with potential roach tech swwitch). But how do you beat fungals + corrupters ? Ravens just seems so weak vs fungals.
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yay good map for Curious, really think he can win this in two and we'll get a hopefully good rematch vs Hero =)
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wow 4 hours already and one more bo3 after this, gsl heaven finally again!
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On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced. Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however.
That's an economy issue then; broodlord/corruptor is really expensive, so if the terran has let the zerg get such an economic lead that the zerg can afford to lose all his corruptors and broods and then mass out of ultra/lings, then you were probably behind anyway. In a lot of broodlord corruptor pushes the zerg uses all of his money on those units, so if he loses them he can't really afford a big tech switch.
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Gumiho is way too passive, letting the zerg get away with way to much.
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I really don't like this build Gumiho is playing. The early tanks combined with the late stim and the even later starport makes for very little aggressive potential for such a long long time. I seem to remember Gumiho as the guy that just kept dropping and doing things.
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On March 27 2012 21:55 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:54 Fluffboll wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways Only way for Terran to beat Zerg lategame is to not let the zerg get to the lategame. MMA does this very well as did MKP in MLG  MMA also kinda won the Blizzard Cup without Ghosts vs that late game Zerg composition. It is possible. Just very difficult. Requires a lot of multitasking and good splitting of Vikings + lots of them.
Yeah, or you go Mech 
Bio compositions have to outplay opponents lategame, but can get a lot of "easy" wins in the early-midgame, unless the Zerg plays perfectly;
Mech pretty much puts the Terran in the Zerg "turtle" position, where your composition in the lategame is just as strong as the Zergs, but you simply should not be able to win until then.
Until shortly, the early-midgame compositions have always been favored by winrates overall, we will see if Zergs (and Terrans Mech players) will be (consistantly) able to play well enough early-mid game to force Terrans into more meching.
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On March 27 2012 21:58 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced. Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however. Which is exactly why we said that nerfing snipe by so much was a bad idea. Terran needs some good all around unit that can deal with both Ultra and BL/Corrupter, because zerg can tech switch to both so easily. We had Ghost and then Blizz decided to nerf that, now we're seeing the results.
Yeah it's a bitch that you don't have a unit that counters everything.
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This creep spread is actually just fucking insane.
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This is some ridiculous creep spread. Like. Seal level, almost.
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That creep spread is insane lol
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On March 27 2012 21:57 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:55 0ne wrote:On March 27 2012 21:52 Destructicon wrote:On March 27 2012 21:51 vndods wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways mechhhhhhh or kill them in the mid game. Mech isn't the answer, it just gets steamrolled harder see Leenock vs MVP at MLG Providence. Kill them in the mid game may or may not work, it depends a lot on both how the zerg and the terran handle it. MVP overmade tanks on that game and got caught off guard by the BL transition. Polt uses thors, vikings and doom drops to beat broodlord infestor. However polt just relies on zergs making mistakes. There will be a time when zergs just learns to deal with drops and counter attacks. And then terrans needs to find a way to be somewhat efficient in a straight up battle. I think the POLT/MMA style of abusing immobillity will only work for a few more months (at top level).
If you play a good midgame denying zerg a great economy they shouldn't be able to have a huge broodlord infestor army and money to build enough static defenses on every base.
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imo it was a huge mistake to let an overlord see the 3rd cc, curious could play way more economically than if he had to be safe vs anything else
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On March 27 2012 22:01 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 21:55 pdd wrote:On March 27 2012 21:54 Fluffboll wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways Only way for Terran to beat Zerg lategame is to not let the zerg get to the lategame. MMA does this very well as did MKP in MLG MMA also kinda won the Blizzard Cup without Ghosts vs that late game Zerg composition. It is possible. Just very difficult. Requires a lot of multitasking and good splitting of Vikings + lots of them. Yeah, or you go Mech Bio compositions have to outplay opponents lategame, but can get a lot of "easy" wins in the early-midgame, unless the Zerg plays perfectly;Mech pretty much puts the Terran in the Zerg "turtle" position, where your composition in the lategame is just as strong as the Zergs, but you simply should not be able to win until then. Until shortly, the early-midgame compositions have always been favored by winrates overall, we will see if Zergs (and Terrans Mech players) will be (consistantly) able to play well enough early-mid game to force Terrans into more meching.
Really ?...
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