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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
March 27 2012 13:08 GMT
#1741
Pooplords come, Gumiho rolls over and dies.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 13:11:13
March 27 2012 13:08 GMT
#1742
On March 27 2012 22:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 22:01 rothsbury wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition

At least now anyways

Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced.


Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however.

That's an economy issue then; broodlord/corruptor is really expensive, so if the terran has let the zerg get such an economic lead that the zerg can afford to lose all his corruptors and broods and then mass out of ultra/lings, then you were probably behind anyway. In a lot of broodlord corruptor pushes the zerg uses all of his money on those units, so if he loses them he can't really afford a big tech switch.


I think that leads us to the point: Don't let zerg reach the lategame. I wouldn't call fast tech with no economy to back it up lategame.

Lategame =/= letting zerg do whatever he wants. If you let the zerg sit on 5 bases without attacking for 20 mins, then yeah they gcan do that really expensive gas switch no problem. The idea is that even in the lategame you deny expansions, snipe expos, trade armies etc. so the zerg can't build up a giant bank while on 200/200.

Edit: also drops are really good against zerg lategame. Couple of dropships can kill a lot of tech / drones etc..
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 27 2012 13:08 GMT
#1743
On March 27 2012 22:07 vndods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 22:05 Huragius wrote:
TvZ more and more starts looking like TvP. I hate the "deathball effect" in sc2 :/

i wish Terran could have the option to turtle to 200/200 and win too sometimes


watch TvZ and TvT Mech games; pretty much every game a Terran wins with Mech is a 200/200 turtle.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 27 2012 13:08 GMT
#1744
On March 27 2012 22:06 Ketch wrote:
Pfff... Gumiho to Code A Ro48? Semifinals last year... these players are dropping so fast... T_T


Yeah, this new format is very unforgiving.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 13:09:47
March 27 2012 13:09 GMT
#1745
On March 27 2012 22:08 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 22:07 vndods wrote:
On March 27 2012 22:05 Huragius wrote:
TvZ more and more starts looking like TvP. I hate the "deathball effect" in sc2 :/

i wish Terran could have the option to turtle to 200/200 and win too sometimes


watch TvZ and TvT Mech games; pretty much every game a Terran wins with Mech is a 200/200 turtle.

obviously mirror match doesn't count haha.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
March 27 2012 13:09 GMT
#1746
oh wow, last seasons semifinalist into ro48 code a
Shardz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States349 Posts
March 27 2012 13:09 GMT
#1747
Nice play from Curious haha.
Oh Hi
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
March 27 2012 13:09 GMT
#1748
HerO Curious Rematch. excited.
-

and no, Curious hasnt been making an ultralisk cavern. so realistically if Gumiho had bothered making vikings earlier he might have just been fine. =\
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
March 27 2012 13:10 GMT
#1749
Ouch. Gumiho with the sharp fall into ro48 Code A.

That's gotta hurt.
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
March 27 2012 13:10 GMT
#1750
Poor Gumibear.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
March 27 2012 13:10 GMT
#1751
Pocker face !
silverstyle
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1108 Posts
March 27 2012 13:10 GMT
#1752
HerO you can do this, another 2-0 please!
Liquid`HerO!!!
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
March 27 2012 13:10 GMT
#1753
I just came home, oooh Maru such class.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
March 27 2012 13:10 GMT
#1754
On March 27 2012 22:10 silverstyle wrote:
HerO you can do this, another 2-0 please!

was 2-1 last time
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 27 2012 13:10 GMT
#1755
On March 27 2012 22:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 22:01 rothsbury wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition

At least now anyways

Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced.


Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however.

That's an economy issue then; broodlord/corruptor is really expensive, so if the terran has let the zerg get such an economic lead that the zerg can afford to lose all his corruptors and broods and then mass out of ultra/lings, then you were probably behind anyway. In a lot of broodlord corruptor pushes the zerg uses all of his money on those units, so if he loses them he can't really afford a big tech switch.


I think that leads us to the point: Don't let zerg reach the lategame. I wouldn't call fast tech with no economy to back it up lategame.


With builds like this ( Infestor ling who is i=ultrasafe against midgame push ) into 16min Greater Spire, the window where you can actually move out is quickly reducing. :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
March 27 2012 13:10 GMT
#1756
Gumiho didn't really play that badly today, and yet he finds himself 1-4 and in the first round of Code A. This group doesn't look so tough on the surface, but it's been pretty brutal so far.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
etrensce
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia337 Posts
March 27 2012 13:10 GMT
#1757
I feel foolish for liquidbetting gumiho
If life gives you lemons, burn lifes house down
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 13:11:19
March 27 2012 13:11 GMT
#1758
Hope Hero has calmed himself down while Curious and Gumi were playing so he won't be nervous for the last series, I think he has a good chance to defeat Curious and make it through.

On March 27 2012 22:10 etrensce wrote:
I feel foolish for liquidbetting gumiho


Yeah me too =/
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9443 Posts
March 27 2012 13:11 GMT
#1759
On March 27 2012 22:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 22:01 rothsbury wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:
On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition

At least now anyways

Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced.


Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however.

That's an economy issue then; broodlord/corruptor is really expensive, so if the terran has let the zerg get such an economic lead that the zerg can afford to lose all his corruptors and broods and then mass out of ultra/lings, then you were probably behind anyway. In a lot of broodlord corruptor pushes the zerg uses all of his money on those units, so if he loses them he can't really afford a big tech switch.


I think that leads us to the point: Don't let zerg reach the lategame. I wouldn't call fast tech with no economy to back it up lategame.


This isn't a long term solution. Terran needs an answer late game. And it cant rely on just counter attacking.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
March 27 2012 13:11 GMT
#1760
On March 27 2012 22:08 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 22:06 Ketch wrote:
Pfff... Gumiho to Code A Ro48? Semifinals last year... these players are dropping so fast... T_T


Yeah, this new format is very unforgiving.


Unforgiving? It's all bo3 matches, both in Code S and A! What was unforgiving was the bo1 round robin that Code S used to have ^_^
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