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Hero is dead ? 
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 27 2012 22:12 Angel_ wrote:
I kind of hope HerO doesn't go for immediate stargate again. It looked either really good or really really sketch.
He kinda has to, thats the only way to play a safe pvz in the current metagame. Everything else is 2base all ins and I don't trust his nerves to hold up.
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On March 27 2012 22:09 Angel_ wrote:
HerO Curious Rematch. excited.
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and no, Curious hasnt been making an ultralisk cavern. so realistically if Gumiho had bothered making vikings earlier he might have just been fine. =\
Curious knew that bl/inf cant die 
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On March 27 2012 22:13 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:12 bittman wrote:On March 27 2012 22:09 Angel_ wrote:
HerO Curious Rematch. excited.
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and no, Curious hasnt been making an ultralisk cavern. so realistically if Gumiho had bothered making vikings earlier he might have just been fine. =\ Vikings made after Broodlords have been made appear to almost be useless considering zerg can always produce corruptors faster than vikings and almost one fungal to a viking cloud is death. Basically if a Zerg is economically ahead and is not fearing an impending Terran push, I don't actually see a reason they shouldn't go for a ling/infestor/BL/corruptor combo. Polt is the only player I've seen for a bit do anything decent against it. Unless you're MMA and can dropship tanks unto infestors!
Haha I forgot he did that. What game did he do that in again? It wasn't a MLG was it?
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On March 27 2012 22:13 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:08 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 22:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On March 27 2012 22:01 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced. Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however. That's an economy issue then; broodlord/corruptor is really expensive, so if the terran has let the zerg get such an economic lead that the zerg can afford to lose all his corruptors and broods and then mass out of ultra/lings, then you were probably behind anyway. In a lot of broodlord corruptor pushes the zerg uses all of his money on those units, so if he loses them he can't really afford a big tech switch. I think that leads us to the point: Don't let zerg reach the lategame. I wouldn't call fast tech with no economy to back it up lategame. Lategame =/= letting zerg do whatever he wants. If you let the zerg sit on 5 bases without attacking for 20 mins, then yeah they gcan do that really expensive gas switch no problem. The idea is that even in the lategame you deny expansions, snipe expos, trade armies etc. so the zerg can't build up a giant bank while on 200/200. Edit: also drops are really good against zerg lategame. Couple of dropships can kill a lot of tech / drones etc.. Watch stephano plays. He has great multitasking. And simply deals with early attacks. There is no way (IMO) that you can do a lot of damage early game/midgame to a zerg who simply plays very well like stephano. What works on your ladder game isn't suppoed to work on top top zerg players. And its only gonna get worse in the future (zergs gonna get better and better), untill (if) the terran finds a way to beat the army.
Man, I can't wait to see MKP vs Stephano style in IPL next week. MKP > DRG so I bet he can get past Stephano no problem. The problem is, it'll probably be some really micro intensive strategy that only he can do
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On March 27 2012 22:14 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:13 Azzur wrote:On March 27 2012 22:12 bittman wrote:On March 27 2012 22:09 Angel_ wrote:
HerO Curious Rematch. excited.
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and no, Curious hasnt been making an ultralisk cavern. so realistically if Gumiho had bothered making vikings earlier he might have just been fine. =\ Vikings made after Broodlords have been made appear to almost be useless considering zerg can always produce corruptors faster than vikings and almost one fungal to a viking cloud is death. Basically if a Zerg is economically ahead and is not fearing an impending Terran push, I don't actually see a reason they shouldn't go for a ling/infestor/BL/corruptor combo. Polt is the only player I've seen for a bit do anything decent against it. Unless you're MMA and can dropship tanks unto infestors! Haha I forgot he did that. What game did he do that in again? It wasn't a MLG was it?
vs drg blizzcup finals
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On March 27 2012 22:14 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:13 Azzur wrote:On March 27 2012 22:12 bittman wrote:On March 27 2012 22:09 Angel_ wrote:
HerO Curious Rematch. excited.
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and no, Curious hasnt been making an ultralisk cavern. so realistically if Gumiho had bothered making vikings earlier he might have just been fine. =\ Vikings made after Broodlords have been made appear to almost be useless considering zerg can always produce corruptors faster than vikings and almost one fungal to a viking cloud is death. Basically if a Zerg is economically ahead and is not fearing an impending Terran push, I don't actually see a reason they shouldn't go for a ling/infestor/BL/corruptor combo. Polt is the only player I've seen for a bit do anything decent against it. Unless you're MMA and can dropship tanks unto infestors! Haha I forgot he did that. What game did he do that in again? It wasn't a MLG was it?
Taldarim Alter vs DRG in Blizzard Cup!
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On March 27 2012 22:14 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:13 Azzur wrote:On March 27 2012 22:12 bittman wrote:On March 27 2012 22:09 Angel_ wrote:
HerO Curious Rematch. excited.
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and no, Curious hasnt been making an ultralisk cavern. so realistically if Gumiho had bothered making vikings earlier he might have just been fine. =\ Vikings made after Broodlords have been made appear to almost be useless considering zerg can always produce corruptors faster than vikings and almost one fungal to a viking cloud is death. Basically if a Zerg is economically ahead and is not fearing an impending Terran push, I don't actually see a reason they shouldn't go for a ling/infestor/BL/corruptor combo. Polt is the only player I've seen for a bit do anything decent against it. Unless you're MMA and can dropship tanks unto infestors! Haha I forgot he did that. What game did he do that in again? It wasn't a MLG was it?
Blizzard Cup vs DRG on Tal D'arim.
There was also another game (not the Blizzard Cup) but I can't remember that one.
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On March 27 2012 22:14 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:13 Azzur wrote:On March 27 2012 22:12 bittman wrote:On March 27 2012 22:09 Angel_ wrote:
HerO Curious Rematch. excited.
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and no, Curious hasnt been making an ultralisk cavern. so realistically if Gumiho had bothered making vikings earlier he might have just been fine. =\ Vikings made after Broodlords have been made appear to almost be useless considering zerg can always produce corruptors faster than vikings and almost one fungal to a viking cloud is death. Basically if a Zerg is economically ahead and is not fearing an impending Terran push, I don't actually see a reason they shouldn't go for a ling/infestor/BL/corruptor combo. Polt is the only player I've seen for a bit do anything decent against it. Unless you're MMA and can dropship tanks unto infestors! Haha I forgot he did that. What game did he do that in again? It wasn't a MLG was it?
Blizzard Cup finals vs DRG on Tal'Darim (think that was game 2 or 3)
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On March 27 2012 22:13 MrCon wrote:Hero is dead ?
Not yet, has to playoff against curious.
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On March 27 2012 22:13 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:12 bittman wrote:On March 27 2012 22:09 Angel_ wrote:
HerO Curious Rematch. excited.
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and no, Curious hasnt been making an ultralisk cavern. so realistically if Gumiho had bothered making vikings earlier he might have just been fine. =\ Vikings made after Broodlords have been made appear to almost be useless considering zerg can always produce corruptors faster than vikings and almost one fungal to a viking cloud is death. Basically if a Zerg is economically ahead and is not fearing an impending Terran push, I don't actually see a reason they shouldn't go for a ling/infestor/BL/corruptor combo. Polt is the only player I've seen for a bit do anything decent against it. MKP has the best way how to deal with it 
And that is? MKP meta-gamed DRG hard with some weird and unpredictable builds.
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Curious deserves to move on as much as Hero. Hero's decision making been pretty off lately.
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On March 27 2012 22:11 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On March 27 2012 22:01 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced. Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however. That's an economy issue then; broodlord/corruptor is really expensive, so if the terran has let the zerg get such an economic lead that the zerg can afford to lose all his corruptors and broods and then mass out of ultra/lings, then you were probably behind anyway. In a lot of broodlord corruptor pushes the zerg uses all of his money on those units, so if he loses them he can't really afford a big tech switch. I think that leads us to the point: Don't let zerg reach the lategame. I wouldn't call fast tech with no economy to back it up lategame. This isn't a long term solution. Terran needs an answer late game. And it cant rely on just counter attacking.
I think the problem for terrans are mostly stylistic. It still seems, when we have played this game for over year and half, that zerg brood lords come as a surprise to the terran. I have no evidence to back it up but I'd be very interested to see terran late game armies that look more like protoss compositions. Instead of massing MMM + vikings to try and get a few ghosts for EMP, 1-2 ravens for PDD etc. I bet there will be a lot of people saying that it is too expensive to reach that kind of composition but please remember that the zerg late game army of Broodlord, corruptor infestor is also insanely expensive
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On March 27 2012 22:14 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:13 Hider wrote:On March 27 2012 22:08 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 22:03 HwangjaeTerran wrote:On March 27 2012 22:01 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 21:56 Fluffboll wrote:On March 27 2012 21:52 rothsbury wrote:On March 27 2012 21:50 Azzur wrote:
Terrans have no answer to this Zerg lategame composition
At least now anyways Eh, Gumiho was really unprepared for the broodlords in this match; he didn't start viking production until broods were already morphing. I think it is pretty balanced. Actually, if you produce enough vikings to take out the Brood Lords and Corruptors the tech switch to Ultra/Ling will kill you so Terran lategame is really bad versus zerg lategame at this moment in time. Terrans can still win vs zerg by not letting the zerg get to the lategame however. That's an economy issue then; broodlord/corruptor is really expensive, so if the terran has let the zerg get such an economic lead that the zerg can afford to lose all his corruptors and broods and then mass out of ultra/lings, then you were probably behind anyway. In a lot of broodlord corruptor pushes the zerg uses all of his money on those units, so if he loses them he can't really afford a big tech switch. I think that leads us to the point: Don't let zerg reach the lategame. I wouldn't call fast tech with no economy to back it up lategame. Lategame =/= letting zerg do whatever he wants. If you let the zerg sit on 5 bases without attacking for 20 mins, then yeah they gcan do that really expensive gas switch no problem. The idea is that even in the lategame you deny expansions, snipe expos, trade armies etc. so the zerg can't build up a giant bank while on 200/200. Edit: also drops are really good against zerg lategame. Couple of dropships can kill a lot of tech / drones etc.. Watch stephano plays. He has great multitasking. And simply deals with early attacks. There is no way (IMO) that you can do a lot of damage early game/midgame to a zerg who simply plays very well like stephano. What works on your ladder game isn't suppoed to work on top top zerg players. And its only gonna get worse in the future (zergs gonna get better and better), untill (if) the terran finds a way to beat the army. Man, I can't wait to see MKP vs Stephano style in IPL next week. MKP > DRG so I bet he can get past Stephano no problem. The problem is, it'll probably be some really micro intensive strategy that only he can do
But MKP isn't gonna do a lot of damage by counterattacking /dropping. Stephano is too good for that.
He might of course to some kind cheesy unit composition that stpehano isn't prepared for. But agains that only works if the zerg isn't prepared for it/makes mistakes. Its not a long-term solid solution.
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On March 27 2012 22:13 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2012 22:11 silverstyle wrote:On March 27 2012 22:10 etrensce wrote:
I feel foolish for liquidbetting gumiho same here.... really feeling that he was over hyped lol. Feeling even more dumb that I bought into the hype lol Curious played better than Gumiho today.
If you guys saw his play last season you would understand the hype. He played poorly today but he is certainly capable of beating this group easy. Watch game 1 and 2 vs DRG in ro4/8 whatever it was. Or his TvT.
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EPT
