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rushian
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom568 Posts
March 27 2012 11:08 GMT
#841
Good game. I like curious' constant aggression, unusual to see no hive tech in either game
"Love every protoss unit" - oGsMC
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
March 27 2012 11:09 GMT
#842
On March 27 2012 20:07 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Curious played this out great. I do not think that it is obvious that Hero 'outplayed' him. Hero did some awesome harass in the early game, but did nothing against the drone count. If the zerg can maintain a high enough drone count during stargate harass, the roach pump afterwards can be punishing.


Just crushing roach army after roach army tell muta ling came out. The map is really unfavorable to Protoss so many angles for zerg to exploit. Hero played it really well and his 3 stalker opening was really cool.
I am Godzilla You are Japan
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
March 27 2012 11:09 GMT
#843
stop blame to a map
HerO choose to not 2-base all-in in this map
it's his choice
vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
March 27 2012 11:09 GMT
#844
Those late game Muta transitions can be so bad but so good :S
I think we'll see a 2 base timing from HerO now.
Jaedong gives me a deep resonance.
itsjuspeter
Profile Joined November 2010
United States668 Posts
March 27 2012 11:10 GMT
#845
Entombed Valley, okay decent protoss map here you got this herO
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
March 27 2012 11:10 GMT
#846
Excellent map for hero (obviously lol)
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
fidelity
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden410 Posts
March 27 2012 11:10 GMT
#847
Was sure Hero would win after all that phoenix harass, but I guess he just wasn't prepared for the counterattack. Curious was free to drone for a very long time...
uThermal
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
March 27 2012 11:10 GMT
#848
its stupid to do 2base timing on entombed, very good map for pvz 3base
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MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
March 27 2012 11:10 GMT
#849
On March 27 2012 20:09 vol_ wrote:
Those late game Muta transitions can be so bad but so good :S
I think we'll see a 2 base timing from HerO now.


I think it's pretty unlikely on Entombed. I expect HerO will dive into a pretty fast 3rd base
@x5_MegaFonzie
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
March 27 2012 11:10 GMT
#850
On March 27 2012 20:06 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 20:04 Montana[TK] wrote:
On March 27 2012 20:01 Asha` wrote:
On March 27 2012 20:00 Ghoststrikes wrote:
Fuck this map. HerO is playing so well... but it's useless


Yeah, damn Zergs and their 42% win rate on this map.


TLPD not a big sample size of top-level players (i.e. GSL), also the 1.0 version has the same stats in favor of Zerg

Protosses have been complaning about the map for a long time


80 games is a decent sample size. And I know Toss complain about it, but they win on it a ton. Play to the map?

Metropolis is a very hard map for ZvP but you didn't see Zergs blaming Curious loss on how easy it is for Protoss to turtle on 3 bases there =/


tbh i hold no value to results of random cups and the like, there's few GSL games in there and that's why TLPD isn't really representative of much (as shown by the completely different results on dual sight 1.0)

did you see how hard curious abused hero in the mid-game? if P doesn't want to get raped the shiz out of him he has to stay on 2base and against someone as skilled as curious that means gambling on some crappy 2base all-in
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
March 27 2012 11:10 GMT
#851
Poor Curious getting screwed by maps =p
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
March 27 2012 11:11 GMT
#852
Cmon Curious!!!
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
March 27 2012 11:11 GMT
#853
On March 27 2012 20:07 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 20:04 Thugtronik wrote:
On March 27 2012 20:01 Asha` wrote:
On March 27 2012 20:00 Ghoststrikes wrote:
Fuck this map. HerO is playing so well... but it's useless


Yeah, damn Zergs and their 42% win rate on this map.


probably because protoss has to 2 base all in every game. if all protoss went for thirds like this im sure zerg's winrate would be higher

rofl, so if protoss wins most of the games on this map by 2-basing its BAD for protoss? And then you fault map because its weak for 3 base? Never heard of map dependant builds?

A map which limits any races options is kinda imbalanced. If your opponent knows you're 2 basing they will know how to prepare for it. Dual Sight has a horribly Zerg favored bias in all other versions of this map on TLPD

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/445_Dual_Sight
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/445_Dual_Sight
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/499_Dual_Sight_1.1 (funnily this is quite balanced)

That's why Lost Temple was a bad map because Thor and tanks on cliffs forced Zergs to go Roaches. And when you know your opponent is going for roaches, you kinda know how to defend.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
March 27 2012 11:11 GMT
#854
On March 27 2012 20:09 parazice wrote:
stop blame to a map
HerO choose to not 2-base all-in in this map
it's his choice

Haha
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michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
March 27 2012 11:11 GMT
#855
Seriously It's that teamliquidPro just tweeted who won else I would still have to guess with all these controversy in posts here Don't make it so hard for us working people who ain't able to watch the stream
- me (L) competitive gaming -
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
March 27 2012 11:11 GMT
#856
On March 27 2012 19:59 Crashburn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 19:59 Valikyr wrote:
What is dual sight doing in the map pool? Really?


This.

Crossfire and Dual Sight need to be tossed in the ol' incinerator.


Seriously check the TLPD before you spew out nonsense.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/499_Dual_Sight_1.1 ZvP Korean TLPD is 42,5% winrate for zerg

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/499_Dual_Sight_1.1 ZvP international is 51,2% winrate for zerg.

Im so tired of people arguing or pointing without facts
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
March 27 2012 11:12 GMT
#857
If HerO wins this i propose we all complain about how Entombed Valley is a crappy zerg map since maps seem to be the focus of this LR thread.
I'm probably being ironic
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
March 27 2012 11:12 GMT
#858
On March 27 2012 20:09 parazice wrote:
stop blame to a map
HerO choose to not 2-base all-in in this map
it's his choice


Imo, it shows poor map design if it's necessary to do a specific type of strategy to have a chance. I think dual sight needs to go out, it's just an outdated map.
memes are a dish best served dank
teamamerica
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States958 Posts
March 27 2012 11:12 GMT
#859
On March 27 2012 20:09 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 20:07 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Curious played this out great. I do not think that it is obvious that Hero 'outplayed' him. Hero did some awesome harass in the early game, but did nothing against the drone count. If the zerg can maintain a high enough drone count during stargate harass, the roach pump afterwards can be punishing.


Just crushing roach army after roach army tell muta ling came out. The map is really unfavorable to Protoss so many angles for zerg to exploit. Hero played it really well and his 3 stalker opening was really cool.


Curious did play well though...his attacks from lots of angles let him get some favorable engagments - at one point early he sniped 6 sentries. The sentry snipes early let him later pick off money units like collusi and immortals. That slows down any collusi timing HerO could have been aiming for. That slowdown gives Curious the time to get massive econ going for ling/muta.

Besides considering everyone on TL seems to know that map only allows 2base allin, HerO should have played to the map. Or come up with something innovative. Or played better. Some combination of that, instead of just playing like other Toss have and losing like other toss have on that map.
RIP GOMTV. RIP PROLEAGUE.
Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
March 27 2012 11:13 GMT
#860
do you know what keyboard hero uses?
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