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Please have some respect for the players, teams, and tournament.
Criticism is fine, criticism without anything to back it up isn't so cool.
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Grubby got the hardest bracket I think any foreigner has ever got. Shame for him he didn't win any series but I imagine he learnt a lot from these losses.
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lol so MKP, DRG and Heart have 5-0ed their groups.
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Grubby donating probes to the banshee gods
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stream lagging so goooood
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On March 25 2012 11:03 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 11:01 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:58 Hamdemon wrote:On March 25 2012 10:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:48 Hamdemon wrote:On March 25 2012 10:39 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:36 nvs. wrote:On March 25 2012 10:34 megapants wrote:On March 25 2012 10:30 MooMu wrote:On March 25 2012 10:26 Hamdemon wrote:
I've missed the first day and a half of this tourney and feel like I've missed nothing. Blah blah blah koreans blah blah HuK blah Naniwa blah blah. A little interesting to see some new faces in the upper bracket though but they're just gonna get crushed 2-0 in lopsided matches. MLG should really be an NA tourney imo, does everyone really want to see the same 8 korean players or so who are well funded crushing through a bunch of fodder? Championship sunday is seeming more and more like the only point to these things.
(okay sorry for being a cynic but I've had a bad day) Take a shot or a toke, bro  For real bro just chillax majorly harsh buzzkill NA only? So no ret, TLO, Grubby, Thorzain, Hasu, etc. etc. Sounds 1000x worse LOL. No one would pay to watch a NA tournament, no one would sponsor it, no one would care about it. Koreans are going to keep getting invited because people like watching them, they bring viewers and viewers bring money. To say nothing of the fact that any tournament that prevents legitimate competition from entering is something no one would feel crazy about winning. My point is more out of frustration that I feel the NA scene is hampered by a general lack of ability to get anywhere, we're being choped off at the legs. The only way to prove yourself is to be able to beat koreans, and realistically if our ladder is really worse and our players are worse, how are we supposed to improve? I just saw IdrA and Ostojiy fold like an accordion to basic hellion pressure that didn't even look that impressive to me. The koreans have GSL and the GSTL and a proleague coming up IN KOREA. We have a bunch of tourneys that for now, are just going to be flying koreans and a few really good euro players to utterly crush anything we have. We need our own dedicated league and every time we set one it gets filled up with koreans. We don't have pro houses where a group of 12 people are practicing 80+ hours a week strategizing together, and even if we did it'd take a while to catch up. The NA scene needs a shot in the arm by someone willing to give a decent place for NA players to grow without having to face up against the top-tier koreans just yet. We should at least have some sort of "minor league" that is consistent so that we can grow. I know it's not always korean vs foreigners, but they have infastructure and a culture setup that currently, we can't compete with until we grow seperately. Well then you should be looking to simply create more small scale leagues. Koreans aren't going to bother showing up to events if it isn't worth it for them. There's no reason there can't be a semi-pro North American league (the NASL comes to mind) that is smaller scale with less financial incentive to draw in the big Korean boys, but you're still going to have to contend with European pros. Basically as long as people can make money, they're going to pursue it. The incentive to improve has to be beyond simply making money. That's the big difference about the Koreans and the North Americans. The people over there legitimately care about improving, and being the best. Over here, the motivation is about being able to make money. Euro pros I feel are on the same level as Americans, maybe a bit above because their welfare system allows people to spend more time gaming, less time in a real job. This resentful, almost spiteful attitude you have that comes through oh so clearly in this sentence. that right there is the real problem. Something Americans need to fix on their own. LOL Euros are better because of their wellfare system? You sir are hilarious.
My point in that being is how does someone justify being a "progamer" in the US? Even most of the top NA players are canadian which has a more generous social program. You either have to be insanely talented enough that 3-4 hours a day of practice is enough to be good enough to profit or you have to have someone willing to fund your ability to practice 8-10 horus a day like koreans do. I'm in the US and I'm in university and work 2 jobs and I'm not saying if I could play 10 hours a day I'd be a top progamer but i'd certainly be a lot better.
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Did Grubby play any non-Koreans this tournament? He got pummeled.
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30 probes down to 2 banshees ._______.
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Is there going to be another match on the main stream?
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On March 25 2012 11:05 Aemilia wrote:
Grubby got the hardest bracket I think any foreigner has ever got. Shame for him he didn't win any series but I imagine he learnt a lot from these losses.
his group was hard, no question about that, but bracket was actually playable and he just didnt deliver his A game :X
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lol @ ppl saying puma relies on build order wins.
If he relies on build order wins anyone can do the same thing. There is not much execution needed for build order wins.
He wins because of his amazing army control. Time and time again he gets supply blocked but still wins because of that.
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Can someone fill us in how the Thorzain game is going for those of us who don't have the gold stream pass thingy?
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On March 25 2012 11:07 Depetrify wrote:
Is there going to be another match on the main stream?
i hope not, i need sleep
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On March 25 2012 11:06 Fionn wrote:
Did Grubby play any non-Koreans this tournament? He got pummeled.
nope. parting, oz, thestc, rain, alive, select. total shitty draw. it's gotta suck
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On March 25 2012 11:07 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 11:07 Depetrify wrote:
Is there going to be another match on the main stream? i hope not, i need sleep
KT vs Khan
No sleep allowed
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On March 25 2012 11:07 amiGo_O wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 11:05 Aemilia wrote:
Grubby got the hardest bracket I think any foreigner has ever got. Shame for him he didn't win any series but I imagine he learnt a lot from these losses. his group was hard, no question about that, but bracket was actually playable and he just didnt deliver his A game :X
are immortals common in TvP these days? it seems like with marauders out-ranging marines? (i think)? wouldn't it tend to be that the auto-targetting would never take advantage of the marauder hard counter damage?
immortals are also a pretty big unit with a large separation radius so i think microing would be difficult if there were in fact time to do that (which would be strange given the army proportion)
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On March 25 2012 11:05 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 11:03 nvs. wrote:On March 25 2012 11:01 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:58 Hamdemon wrote:On March 25 2012 10:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:48 Hamdemon wrote:On March 25 2012 10:39 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:36 nvs. wrote:On March 25 2012 10:34 megapants wrote:On March 25 2012 10:30 MooMu wrote:[quote] Take a shot or a toke, bro For real bro just chillax majorly harsh buzzkill NA only? So no ret, TLO, Grubby, Thorzain, Hasu, etc. etc. Sounds 1000x worse LOL. No one would pay to watch a NA tournament, no one would sponsor it, no one would care about it. Koreans are going to keep getting invited because people like watching them, they bring viewers and viewers bring money. To say nothing of the fact that any tournament that prevents legitimate competition from entering is something no one would feel crazy about winning. My point is more out of frustration that I feel the NA scene is hampered by a general lack of ability to get anywhere, we're being choped off at the legs. The only way to prove yourself is to be able to beat koreans, and realistically if our ladder is really worse and our players are worse, how are we supposed to improve? I just saw IdrA and Ostojiy fold like an accordion to basic hellion pressure that didn't even look that impressive to me. The koreans have GSL and the GSTL and a proleague coming up IN KOREA. We have a bunch of tourneys that for now, are just going to be flying koreans and a few really good euro players to utterly crush anything we have. We need our own dedicated league and every time we set one it gets filled up with koreans. We don't have pro houses where a group of 12 people are practicing 80+ hours a week strategizing together, and even if we did it'd take a while to catch up. The NA scene needs a shot in the arm by someone willing to give a decent place for NA players to grow without having to face up against the top-tier koreans just yet. We should at least have some sort of "minor league" that is consistent so that we can grow. I know it's not always korean vs foreigners, but they have infastructure and a culture setup that currently, we can't compete with until we grow seperately. Well then you should be looking to simply create more small scale leagues. Koreans aren't going to bother showing up to events if it isn't worth it for them. There's no reason there can't be a semi-pro North American league (the NASL comes to mind) that is smaller scale with less financial incentive to draw in the big Korean boys, but you're still going to have to contend with European pros. Basically as long as people can make money, they're going to pursue it. The incentive to improve has to be beyond simply making money. That's the big difference about the Koreans and the North Americans. The people over there legitimately care about improving, and being the best. Over here, the motivation is about being able to make money. Euro pros I feel are on the same level as Americans, maybe a bit above because their welfare system allows people to spend more time gaming, less time in a real job. This resentful, almost spiteful attitude you have that comes through oh so clearly in this sentence. that right there is the real problem. Something Americans need to fix on their own. LOL Euros are better because of their wellfare system? You sir are hilarious. I wasn't agreeing with him. Try and read into what I said.
No man it was in reply to him its just how the quote worked out.
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On March 25 2012 11:06 Hamdemon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 11:03 nvs. wrote:On March 25 2012 11:01 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:58 Hamdemon wrote:On March 25 2012 10:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:48 Hamdemon wrote:On March 25 2012 10:39 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:36 nvs. wrote:On March 25 2012 10:34 megapants wrote:On March 25 2012 10:30 MooMu wrote:[quote] Take a shot or a toke, bro For real bro just chillax majorly harsh buzzkill NA only? So no ret, TLO, Grubby, Thorzain, Hasu, etc. etc. Sounds 1000x worse LOL. No one would pay to watch a NA tournament, no one would sponsor it, no one would care about it. Koreans are going to keep getting invited because people like watching them, they bring viewers and viewers bring money. To say nothing of the fact that any tournament that prevents legitimate competition from entering is something no one would feel crazy about winning. My point is more out of frustration that I feel the NA scene is hampered by a general lack of ability to get anywhere, we're being choped off at the legs. The only way to prove yourself is to be able to beat koreans, and realistically if our ladder is really worse and our players are worse, how are we supposed to improve? I just saw IdrA and Ostojiy fold like an accordion to basic hellion pressure that didn't even look that impressive to me. The koreans have GSL and the GSTL and a proleague coming up IN KOREA. We have a bunch of tourneys that for now, are just going to be flying koreans and a few really good euro players to utterly crush anything we have. We need our own dedicated league and every time we set one it gets filled up with koreans. We don't have pro houses where a group of 12 people are practicing 80+ hours a week strategizing together, and even if we did it'd take a while to catch up. The NA scene needs a shot in the arm by someone willing to give a decent place for NA players to grow without having to face up against the top-tier koreans just yet. We should at least have some sort of "minor league" that is consistent so that we can grow. I know it's not always korean vs foreigners, but they have infastructure and a culture setup that currently, we can't compete with until we grow seperately. Well then you should be looking to simply create more small scale leagues. Koreans aren't going to bother showing up to events if it isn't worth it for them. There's no reason there can't be a semi-pro North American league (the NASL comes to mind) that is smaller scale with less financial incentive to draw in the big Korean boys, but you're still going to have to contend with European pros. Basically as long as people can make money, they're going to pursue it. The incentive to improve has to be beyond simply making money. That's the big difference about the Koreans and the North Americans. The people over there legitimately care about improving, and being the best. Over here, the motivation is about being able to make money. Euro pros I feel are on the same level as Americans, maybe a bit above because their welfare system allows people to spend more time gaming, less time in a real job. This resentful, almost spiteful attitude you have that comes through oh so clearly in this sentence. that right there is the real problem. Something Americans need to fix on their own. LOL Euros are better because of their wellfare system? You sir are hilarious. My point in that being is how does someone justify being a "progamer" in the US? Even most of the top NA players are canadian which has a more generous social program. You either have to be insanely talented enough that 3-4 hours a day of practice is enough to be good enough to profit or you have to have someone willing to fund your ability to practice 8-10 horus a day like koreans do. I'm in the US and I'm in university and work 2 jobs and I'm not saying if I could play 10 hours a day I'd be a top progamer but i'd certainly be a lot better.
Welcome to every single competitive sport in the world. If you aren't among the best, you will do it as a hobby because you need to earn money. And you will not become the best without sacrificing and going all-in, and living on noodles and rice if necessary. Can't have it both ways. I.e. here in Norway it's completely normal for a professional hockeyplayer to also have a dayjob.
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On March 25 2012 11:05 Gingerninja wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 11:01 r4pture wrote:
Wow have yo guys been checking out the Halo stream? Talk about hype, the crowds and gameplay are crazy! Been switching through all 3 streams, Halo stream definitely the loudest. No one watching the Fighters, which is a shame cos the play has been excellent. Really enjoying the new reach settings though.
Been watching through the fighters as well, I'm hoping the FGC digs what MLG has set up from them and the solid casters they put up, its a LOT less sterile then IPLs attempt. Hopefully if the FGC digs it ,they will come out in person for next event.
One of the biggest reasons its not got a lot of people is because NCR10 is going on at the same time. Bad timing is mostly the fault sadly.
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On March 25 2012 11:06 Hamdemon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2012 11:03 nvs. wrote:On March 25 2012 11:01 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:58 Hamdemon wrote:On March 25 2012 10:52 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:48 Hamdemon wrote:On March 25 2012 10:39 Vindicare605 wrote:On March 25 2012 10:36 nvs. wrote:On March 25 2012 10:34 megapants wrote:On March 25 2012 10:30 MooMu wrote:[quote] Take a shot or a toke, bro For real bro just chillax majorly harsh buzzkill NA only? So no ret, TLO, Grubby, Thorzain, Hasu, etc. etc. Sounds 1000x worse LOL. No one would pay to watch a NA tournament, no one would sponsor it, no one would care about it. Koreans are going to keep getting invited because people like watching them, they bring viewers and viewers bring money. To say nothing of the fact that any tournament that prevents legitimate competition from entering is something no one would feel crazy about winning. My point is more out of frustration that I feel the NA scene is hampered by a general lack of ability to get anywhere, we're being choped off at the legs. The only way to prove yourself is to be able to beat koreans, and realistically if our ladder is really worse and our players are worse, how are we supposed to improve? I just saw IdrA and Ostojiy fold like an accordion to basic hellion pressure that didn't even look that impressive to me. The koreans have GSL and the GSTL and a proleague coming up IN KOREA. We have a bunch of tourneys that for now, are just going to be flying koreans and a few really good euro players to utterly crush anything we have. We need our own dedicated league and every time we set one it gets filled up with koreans. We don't have pro houses where a group of 12 people are practicing 80+ hours a week strategizing together, and even if we did it'd take a while to catch up. The NA scene needs a shot in the arm by someone willing to give a decent place for NA players to grow without having to face up against the top-tier koreans just yet. We should at least have some sort of "minor league" that is consistent so that we can grow. I know it's not always korean vs foreigners, but they have infastructure and a culture setup that currently, we can't compete with until we grow seperately. Well then you should be looking to simply create more small scale leagues. Koreans aren't going to bother showing up to events if it isn't worth it for them. There's no reason there can't be a semi-pro North American league (the NASL comes to mind) that is smaller scale with less financial incentive to draw in the big Korean boys, but you're still going to have to contend with European pros. Basically as long as people can make money, they're going to pursue it. The incentive to improve has to be beyond simply making money. That's the big difference about the Koreans and the North Americans. The people over there legitimately care about improving, and being the best. Over here, the motivation is about being able to make money. Euro pros I feel are on the same level as Americans, maybe a bit above because their welfare system allows people to spend more time gaming, less time in a real job. This resentful, almost spiteful attitude you have that comes through oh so clearly in this sentence. that right there is the real problem. Something Americans need to fix on their own. LOL Euros are better because of their wellfare system? You sir are hilarious. My point in that being is how does someone justify being a "progamer" in the US? Even most of the top NA players are canadian which has a more generous social program. You either have to be insanely talented enough that 3-4 hours a day of practice is enough to be good enough to profit or you have to have someone willing to fund your ability to practice 8-10 horus a day like koreans do. I'm in the US and I'm in university and work 2 jobs and I'm not saying if I could play 10 hours a day I'd be a top progamer but i'd certainly be a lot better.
You know, the funny thing about the way capitalism works.
the more of us that WANT to be professional gamers and actively try to do it, the faster the professional scene will grow.
The simple difference in the US is that so many of us that WANT to be professional gamers or want to be a part of e-sports just make excuses for why we can't. Day9 but it the best, if you want to do something don't ask for permission just go and do it.
The larger the scene grows, the more it will open opportunities for new faces to show up and rise the ranks.
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On March 25 2012 11:06 Hamdemon wrote:My point in that being is how does someone justify being a "progamer" in the US? Even most of the top NA players are canadian which has a more generous social program. You either have to be insanely talented enough that 3-4 hours a day of practice is enough to be good enough to profit or you have to have someone willing to fund your ability to practice 8-10 horus a day like koreans do. I'm in the US and I'm in university and work 2 jobs and I'm not saying if I could play 10 hours a day I'd be a top progamer but i'd certainly be a lot better.
I'm pretty sure South Korea doesn't have a very bright welfare system.
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