On February 25 2012 03:19 Type|NarutO wrote:
Elfi such a symphatic guy haha. Really people here need to calm down. TvP is more than "T OP" or "P OP" its actually a match up where you can do a lot if you are good. Be it with strategy, micro or multitasking. Sad people here don't seem to realize it.

Yeah because thats why every korean Terran hates the matchup and have something negative to say about TvP or Protoss in like every interview they are doing. But guys, NarutO has realized something they havent.

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Zealot Orgy

United Kingdom537 Posts

February 24 2012 18:23 GMT

#3384

Meanwhile, Strelok is out.

Even if he wins he goes 4-3 like Bishu but lost the h2h.

FnaticNaama

Finland120 Posts

February 24 2012 18:23 GMT

#3385

Elfi really outplayed his opponent! GG elfi, go go finland!

0ne

Spain2464 Posts

February 24 2012 18:24 GMT

#3386

On February 25 2012 03:21 PeaCeR wrote:
Lol these Jinro fanboys are very pathetic.

"Jinro played much better."

Elfi mindgame destroyed Jinro.

He cancelled a robo and made gateways, sick high level mindgames

Kevan

Sweden2303 Posts

February 24 2012 18:24 GMT

#3387

Jinro should just completely switch his style up. More aggressive play. And more cheese and less whine.

darkest44

United States1009 Posts

February 24 2012 18:24 GMT

#3388

On February 25 2012 03:21 Zealot Orgy wrote:
23 wins for terran against 22 wins for protoss in the TvP on this tournament so far.

But the only stats the whiners here care about are how many the TeamLiquid player won. O and even though he lost 1-2 and Jinro hasn't been a top pro for a long, long time now and usually gets eliminated early in tournmanets, clearly "protoss is imba" based on that one match Jinro lost. /eyeroll

ComplexConf

Ireland161 Posts

February 24 2012 18:24 GMT

#3389

Jinro not playing up to par with Elfi in those series.. Too bad, I know he can do better..

Ryukku

Singapore545 Posts

February 24 2012 18:24 GMT

#3390

On February 25 2012 03:23 Zealot Orgy wrote:
Meanwhile, Strelok is out.

Even if he wins he goes 4-3 like Bishu but lost the h2h.

damn... after his play against lucky i thought he would make it. =(

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

February 24 2012 18:24 GMT

#3391

lucky 2-0 bischu

pripple

Finland1714 Posts

February 24 2012 18:24 GMT

#3392

damn it might be only 2 zergs in the ro16 -_-

WigglingSquid

5194 Posts

February 24 2012 18:24 GMT

#3393

Jinro's TvT has been looking good in Korean, but it would take a serious amount of luck to defeat TaeJa. =(

s3rp

Germany3192 Posts

February 24 2012 18:24 GMT

#3394

On February 25 2012 03:21 Zealot Orgy wrote:
23 wins for terran against 22 wins for protoss in the TvP on this tournament so far.

Doesn't mean the Matchup is fun to play or watch. It allways make me wanna throw stuff at my screen or hit something . The MU is just badly designed. And the games drag out for ages even though the game is pretty much already decided but still goes on because its impossible to attack without losing half your army.

Rybaia

Italy213 Posts

February 24 2012 18:25 GMT

#3395

On February 25 2012 03:20 Ventor wrote:

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Don't start this bullshit.

Yeah. Let's not ruin this thread with stupid comments on balance like that one.

NarutO

Germany18839 Posts

February 24 2012 18:25 GMT

#3396

On February 25 2012 03:23 Gosi wrote:

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The races are all crying about each other all the time. But you should keep an eye on players that are actually not whining as much or look at their results. Polt is very good in TvP for example. Your cocky attitude is annoying. Are you actually Gosi[Terran]? Would suit you very well.

Deleted User 137586

7859 Posts

February 24 2012 18:25 GMT

#3397

2-0 by adel, assuming Taeja 2-0's jinro and Adel gets second in the group?!

ceaRshaf

Romania4926 Posts

February 24 2012 18:25 GMT

#3398

On February 25 2012 03:24 pripple wrote:
damn it might be only 2 zergs in the ro16 -_-

GSL had the same and one got to the finals. So it's still good.

VPCursed

1044 Posts

February 24 2012 18:25 GMT

#3399

On February 25 2012 03:22 Coolhwip wrote:

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On February 25 2012 03:19 VPCursed wrote:

On February 25 2012 03:17 parazice wrote:

On February 25 2012 03:14 Zorgaz wrote:

On February 25 2012 03:13 Ryukku wrote:

On February 25 2012 03:12 Poopi wrote:

On February 25 2012 03:08 zefreak wrote:

On February 25 2012 03:04 Loooui wrote:

On February 25 2012 02:58 goswser wrote:
People thinking jinro played terribly are so wrong. You guys can't appreciate strategical brilliance. His nukes were a tactical game, not a "I hope one of these hits his army" ploy. Did none of you notice that while all these nukes were going on, Jinro was slowly transitioning to mass mules instead of scvs, leaving him with a much bigger army? He was winning those engagements because of a much larger army supply, a maneuver achieved through his use of the nukes.

I totally agree. It is stupid to think he wanted to get lucky with a nuke, it was all tactical movement and a strategy to control space. Sure Jinro made some smaller mistakes, and so did Elfi. But it is laughable to see all those people calling it a terrible game.

Elfi had some very good decisions for example when he managed to kill the planetary 2 times in a row when jinro was out of position, good reactions to nukes and had very nice army micro with zealots in front and hts out of emp range etcetera.

I understand that he was trying to control space, but he wasn't doing it very effectively. Watch MVP use defensive nukes against Lucky for example. He doesn't throw nukes everywhere at random, he uses them sparingly to continuously drive back the deathball. Jinro was constantly wasting nukes when Elfi wasn't even considering moving out.

Also, considering Elfi's previous play, I think drops would have worked wonders even in late game.

Watch Mvp... Are you kidding us?
No terran ever can play as good as Mvp in a tactical nuke based game. It's pointless to compare

i think thats his point. The fact that so much more could have been done with that strategy means that it wasnt that good of a play by jinro

So if you can't play as MVP it's not good play?

yes : if you want to be a champion
no : if you only want to make some money

MVP Consistently loses TVP.. its his worst matchup by far.
The problem was jinro got very unlucky.. jinro was actually playing very very well.. you're suppose to take risks vs protoss but game 1 and game 3 he just got BO countered... nothing u can do... I feel bad for jinro... it's really upsetting to lose the series after his play in g2

Those games were absolutley not BO win. He just played too greedy. Its not the same thing.

g1 he 3 CC and his opp 4 gates... game 3 he goes FE into Fast tech. for a 2 base pressure... gets 4 gated...
I've seen many korean terrans in the gsl doing what jinro was doing... jinro just got the shit end of the stick today... i commend his play... but right now tvp is very hard. Not much else to say

ETisME

12685 Posts

February 24 2012 18:25 GMT

#3400

On February 25 2012 03:24 0ne wrote:

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He cancelled a robo and made gateways, sick high level mindgames

mind games work only when your opponent is good enough.