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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
February 24 2012 18:07 GMT
#3241
mech ghost on the way for jinro
MostDifferent
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway124 Posts
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3242
jinro not scouting enough? did he even have any units out on the map too see the pressure coming?
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3243
On February 25 2012 03:04 Loooui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 02:58 goswser wrote:
People thinking jinro played terribly are so wrong. You guys can't appreciate strategical brilliance. His nukes were a tactical game, not a "I hope one of these hits his army" ploy. Did none of you notice that while all these nukes were going on, Jinro was slowly transitioning to mass mules instead of scvs, leaving him with a much bigger army? He was winning those engagements because of a much larger army supply, a maneuver achieved through his use of the nukes.


I totally agree. It is stupid to think he wanted to get lucky with a nuke, it was all tactical movement and a strategy to control space. Sure Jinro made some smaller mistakes, and so did Elfi. But it is laughable to see all those people calling it a terrible game.

Elfi had some very good decisions for example when he managed to kill the planetary 2 times in a row when jinro was out of position, good reactions to nukes and had very nice army micro with zealots in front and hts out of emp range etcetera.


I understand that he was trying to control space, but he wasn't doing it very effectively. Watch MVP use defensive nukes against Lucky for example. He doesn't throw nukes everywhere at random, he uses them sparingly to continuously drive back the deathball. Jinro was constantly wasting nukes when Elfi wasn't even considering moving out.

Also, considering Elfi's previous play, I think drops would have worked wonders even in late game.
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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3244
On February 25 2012 03:07 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 03:06 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 25 2012 03:05 ceaRshaf wrote:
So Jinro stayed on Korea too much maybe and has no effect on him anymore.


Watch the interview with qxc. That should give some answers.


Provide link or irrelevant answer?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313914

The first link to the search "qxc interview". Not that hard...
Matkap
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain627 Posts
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3245
On February 25 2012 03:07 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 03:06 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 25 2012 03:05 ceaRshaf wrote:
So Jinro stayed on Korea too much maybe and has no effect on him anymore.


Watch the interview with qxc. That should give some answers.


Provide link or irrelevant answer?


still on the main page

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=311941
A man tells his stories so many times that he becomes the stories. They live on after him, and in that way he becomes immortal.
Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3246
game 2 wasn't bad play, but relative to something like the lategame genius vs sc (i think sc) in the gsl it was pretty freaking sloppy. Elfi attacking up the ramp with his archons infront of his zealots was cringe-worthy.
jliu
Profile Joined March 2011
282 Posts
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3247
wow 1rax FE into 1/1/1 into marine tank banshee ghost.... so cool.
i LOVE thse use of siege tanks in midgame
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3248
I can't see Jinro winning this, but Elfis multitasking is terrible so maybe harass will get him back in. He was really ahead all last game and barely squeezed through now hes pretty far back.Needs his third asap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3249
jinro lacks a lot of scv production
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 18:09:39
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3250
On February 25 2012 03:04 goswser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 03:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On February 25 2012 02:58 goswser wrote:
People thinking jinro played terribly are so wrong. You guys can't appreciate strategical brilliance. His nukes were a tactical game, not a "I hope one of these hits his army" ploy. Did none of you notice that while all these nukes were going on, Jinro was slowly transitioning to mass mules instead of scvs, leaving him with a much bigger army? He was winning those engagements because of a much larger army supply, a maneuver achieved through his use of the nukes.


I understand bad play when I see it.

Some of the engagements were a bit sloppy but jinro's game plan and transitions were brilliant. Despite elfi's greedy opening, jinro pulled off very very good transition timings and had a strong overarching game plan. Of course, all you see is the engagements and ignore the strategical decisions.


I understand the overall strategy, I just think it's a very ill-advised strategy for the matchup. A lot of its success was an indirect byproduct of Elfi's indecisiveness with army movement.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12715 Posts
February 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#3251
On February 25 2012 03:04 goswser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 03:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On February 25 2012 02:58 goswser wrote:
People thinking jinro played terribly are so wrong. You guys can't appreciate strategical brilliance. His nukes were a tactical game, not a "I hope one of these hits his army" ploy. Did none of you notice that while all these nukes were going on, Jinro was slowly transitioning to mass mules instead of scvs, leaving him with a much bigger army? He was winning those engagements because of a much larger army supply, a maneuver achieved through his use of the nukes.


I understand bad play when I see it.

Some of the engagements were a bit sloppy but jinro's game plan and transitions were brilliant. Despite elfi's greedy opening, jinro pulled off very very good transition timings and had a strong overarching game plan. Of course, all you see is the engagements and ignore the strategical decisions.

strategy:
mass nuke to zone out the map, get lots of expos
contain with nuke and sniping obs, get more CCs to zone out more of the map.

that's the game plan. He didn't sac those scvs as well, he just had so much of the map that those scvs stormed to death didn't matter lol
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
February 24 2012 18:09 GMT
#3252
On February 25 2012 03:06 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 03:03 Type|NarutO wrote:
On February 25 2012 02:58 goswser wrote:
People thinking jinro played terribly are so wrong. You guys can't appreciate strategical brilliance. His nukes were a tactical game, not a "I hope one of these hits his army" ploy. Did none of you notice that while all these nukes were going on, Jinro was slowly transitioning to mass mules instead of scvs, leaving him with a much bigger army? He was winning those engagements because of a much larger army supply, a maneuver achieved through his use of the nukes.


Actually I'd not call his play terrible, yet I wouldn't call it brilliant either. There's a lot of things he could've done better. Just one example would be getting more ghosts, less marauders and more marines. Anyways I did enjoy the game, people calling him terrible have no clue but it wasn't the best play possible.

It's hard to produce a perfect unit composition when playing such a stressful game imo


I don't blame a player for mistakes, yet thats his task. Make your game (plan) work and make your transitions and timings work. He's a proplayer so obviously he is allowed to make mistakes, but his aim should always be to have a near perfect to perfect game even if it is very hard.

Also I don't think the game itself was that stressful. He could have played a lot more defensively and make it very hard for elfi to engage. Actually I think the defensive stance of Terran in lategame is even better than attacking!

Anyways what I wanted to say is that no one here should BASH players for mistakes or not perfect play, just because there are some players out there that are above ones level, there is no reason not to appriciate the play we just saw.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
February 24 2012 18:09 GMT
#3253
On February 25 2012 03:05 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 03:04 goswser wrote:
On February 25 2012 03:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On February 25 2012 02:58 goswser wrote:
People thinking jinro played terribly are so wrong. You guys can't appreciate strategical brilliance. His nukes were a tactical game, not a "I hope one of these hits his army" ploy. Did none of you notice that while all these nukes were going on, Jinro was slowly transitioning to mass mules instead of scvs, leaving him with a much bigger army? He was winning those engagements because of a much larger army supply, a maneuver achieved through his use of the nukes.


I understand bad play when I see it.

Some of the engagements were a bit sloppy but jinro's game plan and transitions were brilliant. Despite elfi's greedy opening, jinro pulled off very very good transition timings and had a strong overarching game plan. Of course, all you see is the engagements and ignore the strategical decisions.


Then explain it to all us mere observers.


Did you read goswser first post ? t.t
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
February 24 2012 18:09 GMT
#3254
GO Jinro! You can do this.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
February 24 2012 18:09 GMT
#3255
i dont understand elfi just pop up 4th nexus ...
Stork[gm]
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
February 24 2012 18:09 GMT
#3256
Jinro is so much better than Elfi, if he loses this game i'm going to be very upset
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 18:10:00
February 24 2012 18:09 GMT
#3257
On February 25 2012 03:08 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 03:07 ceaRshaf wrote:
On February 25 2012 03:06 SeaSwift wrote:
On February 25 2012 03:05 ceaRshaf wrote:
So Jinro stayed on Korea too much maybe and has no effect on him anymore.


Watch the interview with qxc. That should give some answers.


Provide link or irrelevant answer?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=313914

The first link to the search "qxc interview". Not that hard...


It's hard when you don't specify witch interview with QXC. Don't expect everyone to be up with the news by the minute.

Anyway, thanks for the answer.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Am3ndment
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland37 Posts
February 24 2012 18:09 GMT
#3258
btw, was wondering why they are allowed to play on their own accounts, since between games teammates can go and tell tips and tricks how to beat his enemy?
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
February 24 2012 18:10 GMT
#3259
Tanks are rubbish.. What are you on about Apollo.. Zealots destroy them.
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
February 24 2012 18:10 GMT
#3260
elfi is so bad it is heartbreaking to see jinro lose to this ~_~
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