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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On February 25 2012 02:48 zefreak wrote: Lategame TvP doesn't have to be this bad, not all the blame can be placed on the matchup That map doesn't really allow Terran to fight straight up in the lategame, there's no wide open space to get that huge arc you need to have a chance. Almost every spot will funnel you into a location where colossi and/or templar will annihilate you. Jinro was way too indecisive with his armies and his nukes weren't very well thought out, but trying to match the chargelot/templar/colossus/archon deathball in areas where he can't get optimal surface area is a bad idea. I must disagree with you however. Lategame TvP has to be this bad because there's no such thing as good TvP. It's a terrible matchup in all phases. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:01 Nicck wrote: Bischu going crazy in group G  guaranteed spot to RO16 | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On February 25 2012 02:58 goswser wrote: People thinking jinro played terribly are so wrong. You guys can't appreciate strategical brilliance. His nukes were a tactical game, not a "I hope one of these hits his army" ploy. Did none of you notice that while all these nukes were going on, Jinro was slowly transitioning to mass mules instead of scvs, leaving him with a much bigger army? He was winning those engagements because of a much larger army supply, a maneuver achieved through his use of the nukes. I understand bad play when I see it. He should've never let the game get to a point where he needs to rely on sacrificing SCVs for a larger army. He's not Bomber and doesn't play in the aggressive style that rewards such a decision. | ||
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:00 JayJay_90 wrote: He didn't do a single drop. That is terrible against protoss and against Elfi especially. His nukes did basically nothing. The only good thing was him constantly sniping observers with vikings. His micro in the engagements was mediocre at best. How the hell do you drop at that stage of the game and archive anything ? Other then losing units . You lose more if you drop at that stage of the game instead of nuking if the opponent is even half competent. Especially at that point 1 Medivac full of Units makes a gigantic difference . Elfi could just attack and then before the drop archives anything of notice Warp-in Zealots will clear the drop. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
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Eshra
France1009 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:01 Poopi wrote: Most people in here don't understand such things, it's sad because what Jinro displayed is the only way to really win in a lategame situation in TvP without being already in advance (lots of PF, nukes, and minimal scv count until protoss mines out, controlling where the P engages). But the map helped allowing that with these chokes Luckily you're here to cast lights upon our path. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On February 25 2012 02:58 goswser wrote: People thinking jinro played terribly are so wrong. You guys can't appreciate strategical brilliance. His nukes were a tactical game, not a "I hope one of these hits his army" ploy. Did none of you notice that while all these nukes were going on, Jinro was slowly transitioning to mass mules instead of scvs, leaving him with a much bigger army? He was winning those engagements because of a much larger army supply, a maneuver achieved through his use of the nukes. Actually I'd not call his play terrible, yet I wouldn't call it brilliant either. There's a lot of things he could've done better. Just one example would be getting more ghosts, less marauders and more marines. Anyways I did enjoy the game, people calling him terrible have no clue but it wasn't the best play possible. | ||
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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Alokiya
United States648 Posts
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Gator
United States3432 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:02 s3rp wrote: How the hell do you drop at that stage of the game and archive anything ? Other then losing units . You lose more if you drop at that stage of the game instead of nuking if the opponent is even half competent. i never said you have to wait with drops until the 30 minute mark. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
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RJGooner
United States2076 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:02 CosmicSpiral wrote: I understand bad play when I see it. He should've never let the game get to a point where he needs to rely on sacrificing SCVs for a larger army. He's not Bomber. I'm gonna trust the progamer on this one. | ||
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Sgt. Bilko
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