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On March 12 2012 08:52 Komentaja wrote:
DJwheat disappoints me. I used to like his casting, or at least I could tolerate it. Now, he makes about 2 mistakes/minute; critical, confusing mistakes. For example, using "He's going to ..." (without specifying the player), and saying "Oh this is bad." (without specifying for whom, why, or how "it" is bad, along with simple mistakes like calling the infestation pit a hydra den and saying mutas "chipped away" at the hydra den (while killing it in 6 short volleys.)
I am no longer going to watch DJwheat cast.
i felt the opposite to be honest. i saw the mistakes and the stuff he was saying wrong or misspeaking, but i found it endearing. rather than being a super tryhard thing he was just chatting away about the game like a friend. suited the feel of the whole thing.
and im not a huge djwheat fan.
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On March 12 2012 08:34 Flonomenalz wrote:Summary of Idra vs incontrol (sorry I missed Game 2, but I'll say what I heard) Game 1 + Show Spoiler +(Antiga Shipyard)
- Idra opens up 14p and goes into 3 hatch against incontrol's FFE.
- incontrol gets a 6 min SG and fast +1, aims to do a zealot VR timing on Idra's third
- idra gets an earlier warren, and defends his third with roach/queen/spore, but incontrol was quite indecisive on whether he wanted to kill the third or fight idras units. he should have targeted the third (imo)
- idra takes almost no damage and incontrol is forced to back away
- idra gets lair, techs to mutas, and rolls incontrols pitifully small stalker/immortal army with lots of mutas, roaches, and banelings.
- incontrol ggs
Game 2 + Show Spoiler +(Shattered Temple)
- It seems that Idra snuck 6 lings into incontrol's main early on in the game, and incontrol responded horribly losing a bunch of probes and macro slipping by floating 500 mins.
- ended up 36 drones to 12 probes
- idra then did an infestor timing? i think and easily beat incontrol
again, apologies if anythings wrong, didnt watch this game fully
Game 3 + Show Spoiler +(Daybreak)
- Again, FFE vs 3 hatch
- Incontrol sneaks a probe behind idras third, and cannons it
- The cannons time perfectly with the hatch finishing, and idra is forced to run drones away while taking the base to the right of his main at his third
- inc realizing idra is stuck on 2 base goes 2 SG, and moves out with 6 VRs
- idra does not have enough queens/spores to stall for hydras and leaves without gging
Game 4 + Show Spoiler +
(Dual Sight)
- 3 hatch vs FFE
- no early pressure, inc gets a pylon near idras third but no cannons
- incontrol goes 8 gate, but then decides not to go all in and goes DTs..?
- incontrols 8 gate is severely weakened by twilight council tech + dark shrine tech, and he retreats after severe losses
- incontrol saves up and warps in 5 DTs which kill a hatchery, but idra is already so far ahead and defends the DTs well
- idra techs to mutas and crushes inc with mutas and tons of roaches
- inc ggs, idra wins 3-1
Thanks for the summary. Wasn't too compelled to watch the games today but all my predictions were correct for the beyond gaming most evil genius betting system!
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to pick up on the 2 months break argument:
i remember nowitzki saying that he still went to the court doing shots like every day in off season, even if he was not in the mood.
i also remember boxer in some show were he said that after 1 week without playing it felt weird to him.
1 week was actually something big for him.
i think 2 months without any playing is quite sick.
and it also makes sense now that idra is so bad since the new year.
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On March 12 2012 10:57 kinglemon wrote:
to pick up on the 2 months break argument:
i remember nowitzki saying that he still went to the court doing shots like every day in off season, even if he was not in the mood.
i also remember boxer in some show were he said that after 1 week without playing it felt weird to him.
1 week was actually something big for him.
i think 2 months without any playing is quite sick.
and it also makes sense now that idra is so bad since the new year.
IdrA wasn't on a 2 month break. He went to Korea right after Dreamhack Winter. There he stayed at the Slayers house to train. Players like CoCa have tweeted how hard Greg was practicing in Korea. Because high number of tournaments at towards the end of 2011 and all the traveling he had to do, he did admit that he wasn't getting as much practice in as he wanted. But lets face it, when you travel that much and play in that many tournaments, its unreasonable to expect someone to get their full practice in. Its actually pretty remarkable that his run at the end of 2011 was so positive.
Comparing sc2 to basketball isn't a fair comparison either. A lot of players take long breaks during the offseason and there are so many different ways to work on your game (film, cardio, weight lifting, boxing (Kobe does this)). Nowitzki is a special case as well, hes one of the best players to ever play the game. His work ethic and dedication is what makes him a superstar and a MVP compared to the rest of NBA. There is a reason why some players will always at the top: Kobe, Dirk, Lebron, Wade, Rose and why the majority of players will never reach that level. Can't hold every player to the standard of a MVP like Dirk or a superstar like Boxer.
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On March 12 2012 08:52 Komentaja wrote:
DJwheat disappoints me. I used to like his casting, or at least I could tolerate it. Now, he makes about 2 mistakes/minute; critical, confusing mistakes. For example, using "He's going to ..." (without specifying the player), and saying "Oh this is bad." (without specifying for whom, why, or how "it" is bad, along with simple mistakes like calling the infestation pit a hydra den and saying mutas "chipped away" at the hydra den (while killing it in 6 short volleys.)
I am no longer going to watch DJwheat cast.
He specifically said during the cast that he hadn't gotten any rest in the last five days, give the guy a break. He is an excellent CASTER and he deserves respect.
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On March 12 2012 08:58 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 08:52 Komentaja wrote:
DJwheat disappoints me. I used to like his casting, or at least I could tolerate it. Now, he makes about 2 mistakes/minute; critical, confusing mistakes. For example, using "He's going to ..." (without specifying the player), and saying "Oh this is bad." (without specifying for whom, why, or how "it" is bad, along with simple mistakes like calling the infestation pit a hydra den and saying mutas "chipped away" at the hydra den (while killing it in 6 short volleys.)
I am no longer going to watch DJwheat cast. He (like basically all casters) just needs an analytical guy to partner with or at the very least another play by play to make jokes/chat with. DJWheat is great in the right partnership. Pretty much all casters are boring solo.
I highly prefer casters who are actually good (GM) at the game, rather than plat guys who just talk fast.
Oh well, to each his own.
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So what's the score/is there anywhere I can see it?
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Fuck you guys, I only accidentally saw the show yesterday right before I wanted to go to bed, I'm so fucking tired today.
I totally love the format, the presentation, the full hd and (of course) djwheat =D
I hope you guys keep doing this for a while, it's great seeing eg's members battle each other.
The only improvement I could think of (although djwheat is great) would be a co-caster as I think 2 casters is always better than one.
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On March 12 2012 09:09 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 09:04 Falconblade wrote:On March 12 2012 08:26 Perseverance wrote:
Idra crushed incontrol 3-1
Now Idra is crushing Machine (1-0 currently)
These 2 players, along with lzgamer are horrible (for progamers). I don't know why EG keeps em around, my only guess is incontrol does other stuff for EG and machine/lzgamer must play for free or something.
This isn't me being a dick either, I'm objectively saying something that can easily be determined as a fact. Lzgamer probably has banked credit from being in EG the longest from BW days. He's good for that atleast. And he doesn't live in the team house, so less expenses paid for him. Machine is marketable as fuck, and has a pretty good fanbase because he streams so much, a bit of a cult favorite. He's a very likable character who wont mind being thrown out for team leagues against far better players when HuK doesn't want to play cross. He's great for commercials as well. He's an asset to the sponsors, and thus EG then. Incontrol is easily one of the biggest names in the game as an ambassador for both the team, his numerous podcasts on SOTG, ITG, etc. He's well worth the money. All in all, they all have valid reasons to be there.` Machine had some decent results in 2011. People forget he spent almost the entire year in MLG Pool Play which is solid exposure.
yea where his results were roughly equal to TLO and Haypro nearly every single tournament, getting top 20 almost everytime even after the koreans came, and he got much better rankings then Nony - but shit happens unfortunately and players willl be hated on no matter what
does anyone know the idra vs machine series for yesterday?
they're really slow at updating the site
+ Show Spoiler +i bet on idra > incontrol and idra > machine and havent received any coins yet  i want my sensei mouse :p
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cant you put up the results in the OP?  that site is just a mess
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On March 12 2012 22:39 zuperketla wrote:cant you put up the results in the OP? that site is just a mess
what? the sites fine
click the link above, then click tournament, then standing, then show results
And it shows you all 4 players results in games and series and their position, what else can you want?
it would be good to have it in the OP somehow, but im not bothered
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I like how Idra rage quits even against his teammate and team captain.
Games like that are one of the (many) reasons I stopped playing zerg.
< - Idra Fanboy
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On March 12 2012 09:09 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 09:04 Falconblade wrote:On March 12 2012 08:26 Perseverance wrote:
Idra crushed incontrol 3-1
Now Idra is crushing Machine (1-0 currently)
These 2 players, along with lzgamer are horrible (for progamers). I don't know why EG keeps em around, my only guess is incontrol does other stuff for EG and machine/lzgamer must play for free or something.
This isn't me being a dick either, I'm objectively saying something that can easily be determined as a fact. Lzgamer probably has banked credit from being in EG the longest from BW days. He's good for that atleast. And he doesn't live in the team house, so less expenses paid for him. Machine is marketable as fuck, and has a pretty good fanbase because he streams so much, a bit of a cult favorite. He's a very likable character who wont mind being thrown out for team leagues against far better players when HuK doesn't want to play cross. He's great for commercials as well. He's an asset to the sponsors, and thus EG then. Incontrol is easily one of the biggest names in the game as an ambassador for both the team, his numerous podcasts on SOTG, ITG, etc. He's well worth the money. All in all, they all have valid reasons to be there.` Machine had some decent results in 2011. People forget he spent almost the entire year in MLG Pool Play which is solid exposure.
Seraphone defending a foreigner? Who are you and what did you do to Seraphone?
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On March 12 2012 13:45 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 08:58 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 08:52 Komentaja wrote:
DJwheat disappoints me. I used to like his casting, or at least I could tolerate it. Now, he makes about 2 mistakes/minute; critical, confusing mistakes. For example, using "He's going to ..." (without specifying the player), and saying "Oh this is bad." (without specifying for whom, why, or how "it" is bad, along with simple mistakes like calling the infestation pit a hydra den and saying mutas "chipped away" at the hydra den (while killing it in 6 short volleys.)
I am no longer going to watch DJwheat cast. He (like basically all casters) just needs an analytical guy to partner with or at the very least another play by play to make jokes/chat with. DJWheat is great in the right partnership. Pretty much all casters are boring solo. I highly prefer casters who are actually good (GM) at the game, rather than plat guys who just talk fast. Oh well, to each his own.
For stuff like this event for it's not really going to be exciting but you're just watching to see good games then analysis is better.
But a solid play by play can make LAN's more dramatic.
On March 13 2012 01:37 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 09:09 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 09:04 Falconblade wrote:On March 12 2012 08:26 Perseverance wrote:
Idra crushed incontrol 3-1
Now Idra is crushing Machine (1-0 currently)
These 2 players, along with lzgamer are horrible (for progamers). I don't know why EG keeps em around, my only guess is incontrol does other stuff for EG and machine/lzgamer must play for free or something.
This isn't me being a dick either, I'm objectively saying something that can easily be determined as a fact. Lzgamer probably has banked credit from being in EG the longest from BW days. He's good for that atleast. And he doesn't live in the team house, so less expenses paid for him. Machine is marketable as fuck, and has a pretty good fanbase because he streams so much, a bit of a cult favorite. He's a very likable character who wont mind being thrown out for team leagues against far better players when HuK doesn't want to play cross. He's great for commercials as well. He's an asset to the sponsors, and thus EG then. Incontrol is easily one of the biggest names in the game as an ambassador for both the team, his numerous podcasts on SOTG, ITG, etc. He's well worth the money. All in all, they all have valid reasons to be there.` Machine had some decent results in 2011. People forget he spent almost the entire year in MLG Pool Play which is solid exposure. Seraphone defending a foreigner? Who are you and what did you do to Seraphone?
I defend foreigners plenty when people are unduely harsh on foreigners, but that's prefer rare compared to the reverse.
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On March 13 2012 01:09 zEnVy wrote:
I like how Idra rage quits even against his teammate and team captain.
Games like that are one of the (many) reasons I stopped playing zerg.
< - Idra Fanboy
why do people saying that leaving without a GG is rage/bm?
he didnt call anyone anything bad, didnt BM, he just left without a gg. I do the same on ladder sometimes if i get 6 pooled on a 4 player map and he scouts me first an i see him last. Its not rage, its just not a good game.
I think leaving and not saying gg is fine, in the same way that starting a game and not saying GL HF is fine too
stop being such a fairy
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On March 12 2012 09:09 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 09:04 Falconblade wrote:On March 12 2012 08:26 Perseverance wrote:
Idra crushed incontrol 3-1
Now Idra is crushing Machine (1-0 currently)
These 2 players, along with lzgamer are horrible (for progamers). I don't know why EG keeps em around, my only guess is incontrol does other stuff for EG and machine/lzgamer must play for free or something.
This isn't me being a dick either, I'm objectively saying something that can easily be determined as a fact. Lzgamer probably has banked credit from being in EG the longest from BW days. He's good for that atleast. And he doesn't live in the team house, so less expenses paid for him. Machine is marketable as fuck, and has a pretty good fanbase because he streams so much, a bit of a cult favorite. He's a very likable character who wont mind being thrown out for team leagues against far better players when HuK doesn't want to play cross. He's great for commercials as well. He's an asset to the sponsors, and thus EG then. Incontrol is easily one of the biggest names in the game as an ambassador for both the team, his numerous podcasts on SOTG, ITG, etc. He's well worth the money. All in all, they all have valid reasons to be there.` Machine had some decent results in 2011. People forget he spent almost the entire year in MLG Pool Play which is solid exposure.
If you watch Machine in their practice sessions, he just isn't very good. I enjoy watching him play and root for him since he is a really nice guy, but that doesn't change the fact that the teamhouse hasn't really done anything to improve the skill of these guys.
Demuslim is like a level above everyone of them in both understanding and mechanical skill, yet even he struggles to get any results these days. The competition is just getting harder and harder, and no matter how many times Incontrol claims that they are practicing really hard over there, I just dont see it in their play at all. I think there just isn't enough pressure/motivation for them to become top level players any more.
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No one should be arguing that these are their best players. Neither JYP nor Puma are playing so we should be pretty clear on that. The focus here is pretty obviously on their North American players, for whatever reasons they have, and that would evidently exclude Demuslim as well. Perhaps that reason is exposure. They are an American organization and maybe they want to promote that focus in this way.
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On March 13 2012 01:45 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 09:09 Seraphone wrote:On March 12 2012 09:04 Falconblade wrote:On March 12 2012 08:26 Perseverance wrote:
Idra crushed incontrol 3-1
Now Idra is crushing Machine (1-0 currently)
These 2 players, along with lzgamer are horrible (for progamers). I don't know why EG keeps em around, my only guess is incontrol does other stuff for EG and machine/lzgamer must play for free or something.
This isn't me being a dick either, I'm objectively saying something that can easily be determined as a fact. Lzgamer probably has banked credit from being in EG the longest from BW days. He's good for that atleast. And he doesn't live in the team house, so less expenses paid for him. Machine is marketable as fuck, and has a pretty good fanbase because he streams so much, a bit of a cult favorite. He's a very likable character who wont mind being thrown out for team leagues against far better players when HuK doesn't want to play cross. He's great for commercials as well. He's an asset to the sponsors, and thus EG then. Incontrol is easily one of the biggest names in the game as an ambassador for both the team, his numerous podcasts on SOTG, ITG, etc. He's well worth the money. All in all, they all have valid reasons to be there.` Machine had some decent results in 2011. People forget he spent almost the entire year in MLG Pool Play which is solid exposure. If you watch Machine in their practice sessions, he just isn't very good. I enjoy watching him play and root for him since he is a really nice guy, but that doesn't change the fact that the teamhouse hasn't really done anything to improve the skill of these guys. Demuslim is like a level above everyone of them in both understanding and mechanical skill, yet even he struggles to get any results these days. The competition is just getting harder and harder, and no matter how many times Incontrol claims that they are practicing really hard over there, I just dont see it in their play at all. I think there just isn't enough pressure/motivation for them to become top level players any more.
Incontrol's stream where he, Demuslim, Machine and then a random assortment of non EG pro's (usually Goswer, Spades) play customs is my most watched stream by far so I know exactly what you're talking about.
I agree that Machine's play doesn't impress me when I watch that but the fact that I and many other watch it is in of itself a reason why Machine is worth keeping around.
A lot of people seem to think ESports is about winning, it's not. It's about sponsor representation, or basically ROI. Incontrol streaming to 2-3k people every single day of the year with his sponsors logos right there on the screen 100% of the time (not to mention SOTG, ITG etc..) is worth more and makes him a more valuable player than random foreigner like Happy, Slivko, Titan, Nightend, Feast where most casual/semi casual fans have a hard time remembering exacting which team they play on, nevermind which sponsors those guys have, even if they are objectively better players.
I'm sure we all agree that in an ideal world it would be like football where an Iniesta who keeps himself out of the public eye and is quietly the 3rd/4th best player in the world is worth infinitely more money than a Balotelli who has less skill but is always in the public eye.
But it's not like that, and Machine is a guy where everyone who frequents this website knows his face, they know his voice, his race, his team, his playstyle, what tournaments he plays in and even his teams sponsors. That right there is ROI and is what makes Machine valuable to a team. Regardless of how good he is at the game.
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