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On January 31 2012 21:43 Leetley wrote:
Stephano didn't do that well in Blizzard cup, but he could have a good change in GSL... maybe. In Blizzard cup he was against almost the very best, so it was very tough. With the right opponents Stephano could get pretty far.
Dun underestimate GSL(its the highest level tournament besides blizz). Stephano did beat DRG(did a dumb all-in) and Hero in Blizzard Cup but he lost to MC and MVP.
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Good to see July still kicking and fighting. Tough day for eg though...
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On January 31 2012 21:43 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:41 Big J wrote:On January 31 2012 21:37 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Velicia wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 DwD wrote:On January 31 2012 21:28 RJGooner wrote:
Pretty disappointing that EG had both of their players lose to players of this caliber. Of this caliber? You mean players who actually managed to make it through the qualifiers and didn't get a free spot like Idra and Huk? Stop being such a blatent fanboy it's really annoying. I'm sorry but comments like this are very boring. This "free spot" you're referring to changes nothing, both Idra and Huk have consistently proved that they can compete on an even footing with top tier Koreans at MLG and other events. So has HerO, PuMa and a range of other foreigners, but that doesn't mean they belong in Code S. bla bla bla... they are there because GOM wants them to play in GOM's league, just like GOM wants players thar went through qualyfiers to pkay in GOM's league. GOM decides who is GOM-S-Class. if you dont like it, dont watch it. It does get a bit embarressing when they keep dropping out 0-3
lots of players drop out 0-3. Others like DRG or MC who got their spots through similar stuff are still in.
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On January 31 2012 21:46 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:43 Leetley wrote:
Stephano didn't do that well in Blizzard cup, but he could have a good change in GSL... maybe. In Blizzard cup he was against almost the very best, so it was very tough. With the right opponents Stephano could get pretty far. Dun underestimate GSL(its the highest level tournament besides blizz). Stephano did beat DRG(did a dumb all-in) and Hero in Blizzard Cup but he lost to MC and MVP.
Beating Hero doesn't make you Code S caliber, it hardly makes you Code A caliber. Hero is good, but he hasn't really shown anything to make me think he's on that level.
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On January 31 2012 21:45 Agnosthar wrote:
Huk and Idra get paid many times more than either of the koreans they lost to. (Reminds me of the England football team.)
Its an international industry, and HuK and IdrA can speak english. Why would anyone pay big for Bumblebee when he cannot even pronounce Steel Series?
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On January 31 2012 21:37 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:35 Velicia wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 DwD wrote:On January 31 2012 21:28 RJGooner wrote:
Pretty disappointing that EG had both of their players lose to players of this caliber. Of this caliber? You mean players who actually managed to make it through the qualifiers and didn't get a free spot like Idra and Huk? Stop being such a blatent fanboy it's really annoying. I'm sorry but comments like this are very boring. This "free spot" you're referring to changes nothing, both Idra and Huk have consistently proved that they can compete on an even footing with top tier Koreans at MLG and other events. So has HerO, PuMa and a range of other foreigners, but that doesn't mean they belong in Code S.
I don't know if you were watching, but this was Code A friend. You're essentially shitting all over their achievements because of the way they were invited to Code S. They have proved their capabilities time and time again but people constantly fall into the same old cycle of insulting them for not "earning spots" via code B. As for current results and the whole undeserved argument, everybody has slumps. (See: Nestea). I would go on but it will fall on deaf ears, because apparently hating foreigners is in vogue.
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On January 31 2012 21:48 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:46 FakeDeath wrote:On January 31 2012 21:43 Leetley wrote:
Stephano didn't do that well in Blizzard cup, but he could have a good change in GSL... maybe. In Blizzard cup he was against almost the very best, so it was very tough. With the right opponents Stephano could get pretty far. Dun underestimate GSL(its the highest level tournament besides blizz). Stephano did beat DRG(did a dumb all-in) and Hero in Blizzard Cup but he lost to MC and MVP. Beating Hero doesn't make you Code S caliber, it hardly makes you Code A caliber. Hero is good, but he hasn't really shown anything to make me think he's on that level.
Exactly.People overrating Stephano.
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On January 31 2012 21:46 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:41 0ne wrote:On January 31 2012 21:39 Hassybaby wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 31 2012 21:33 Hassybaby wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 31 2012 21:29 Darkthorn wrote:On January 31 2012 21:27 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 21:26 eYeball wrote:
No foreigner in Code A, except Sen. Shows how hard the competition has gotten or how low the foreigner standard is now. :/ Sen impressed me in ZvZ, we still got morrow left to morrow going to win vs maru and probably lose vs happy. Idk, I agree Morrow should beat maru but he did do very well against Happy during the TAC. Sure he didn't pull off the win but he did VERY well. Given the amount of training he has I don't see him winning out of the realm of possibility I hate to say it, but Happy's TvZ record speaks for itself Then again, it's there because he does the most generic TvZ builds ever, except for his innovation through cheese I'm not saying he's the favorite, because that's obviously happy. I just think its not outside the realm of possibility for morrow to 2-1 him I agree. I fancy Morrow's chances, especially when he plays both sides of this match-up. I hope at least, I like Morrow Morrow is going to get destroyed hardcore.... Maru got 2-0ed by FruitDealer...think Morrow has a great chance He said he'd get destroyed against IMHappy.
Read what you reply to :s
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Underwhelming play by the EG foreigners. Just seems like they don't prepare adequately for the GSL (prepare against the specific player). Specially from the interviews, it felt like Idra was "lol zerg isn't supposed to win anyway so I'll just do my thing and if I loose its because I'm supposed to", and Huk was "the other dude's got nerve issues, he'll be nervous and I'll win because of it"...I dunno...just seems that for someone who's so intimately familiar with how the Korean preparation for the GSL works, they approach the games the wrong way (which probably explains why they do seemingly better in the MLG style formats where you can't really prepare for the specific player).
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On January 31 2012 21:43 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:41 Big J wrote:On January 31 2012 21:37 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Velicia wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 DwD wrote:On January 31 2012 21:28 RJGooner wrote:
Pretty disappointing that EG had both of their players lose to players of this caliber. Of this caliber? You mean players who actually managed to make it through the qualifiers and didn't get a free spot like Idra and Huk? Stop being such a blatent fanboy it's really annoying. I'm sorry but comments like this are very boring. This "free spot" you're referring to changes nothing, both Idra and Huk have consistently proved that they can compete on an even footing with top tier Koreans at MLG and other events. So has HerO, PuMa and a range of other foreigners, but that doesn't mean they belong in Code S. bla bla bla... they are there because GOM wants them to play in GOM's league, just like GOM wants players thar went through qualyfiers to pkay in GOM's league. GOM decides who is GOM-S-Class. if you dont like it, dont watch it. It does get a bit embarressing when they keep dropping out 0-3
Look at the bright side. All the koreans are praying to get a code S foreign seed into their group during code S selection
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Well at least sen made it through.
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On January 31 2012 21:49 Velicia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:37 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Velicia wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 DwD wrote:On January 31 2012 21:28 RJGooner wrote:
Pretty disappointing that EG had both of their players lose to players of this caliber. Of this caliber? You mean players who actually managed to make it through the qualifiers and didn't get a free spot like Idra and Huk? Stop being such a blatent fanboy it's really annoying. I'm sorry but comments like this are very boring. This "free spot" you're referring to changes nothing, both Idra and Huk have consistently proved that they can compete on an even footing with top tier Koreans at MLG and other events. So has HerO, PuMa and a range of other foreigners, but that doesn't mean they belong in Code S. I don't know if you were watching, but this was Code A friend. You're essentially shitting all over their achievements because of the way they were invited to Code S. They have proved their capabilities time and time again but people constantly fall into the same old cycle of insulting them for not "earning spots" via code B. As for current results and the whole undeserved argument, everybody has slumps. (See: Nestea). I would go on but it will fall on deaf ears, because apparently hating foreigners is in vogue.
I'm not arguing about whether they deserved their spots or not, but that they "proved" themselves via MLG/other events. Obviously, Idra/HuK are obviously only ones that have actually showed that they can compete in Code S (and I believe Idra deserves the seed), but to say that they belong in Code S because they have beaten Koreans at foreign/online events is preposterous.
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On January 31 2012 21:50 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:46 Hassybaby wrote:On January 31 2012 21:41 0ne wrote:On January 31 2012 21:39 Hassybaby wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 31 2012 21:33 Hassybaby wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 31 2012 21:29 Darkthorn wrote:On January 31 2012 21:27 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 21:26 eYeball wrote:
No foreigner in Code A, except Sen. Shows how hard the competition has gotten or how low the foreigner standard is now. :/ Sen impressed me in ZvZ, we still got morrow left to morrow going to win vs maru and probably lose vs happy. Idk, I agree Morrow should beat maru but he did do very well against Happy during the TAC. Sure he didn't pull off the win but he did VERY well. Given the amount of training he has I don't see him winning out of the realm of possibility I hate to say it, but Happy's TvZ record speaks for itself Then again, it's there because he does the most generic TvZ builds ever, except for his innovation through cheese I'm not saying he's the favorite, because that's obviously happy. I just think its not outside the realm of possibility for morrow to 2-1 him I agree. I fancy Morrow's chances, especially when he plays both sides of this match-up. I hope at least, I like Morrow Morrow is going to get destroyed hardcore.... Maru got 2-0ed by FruitDealer...think Morrow has a great chance He said he'd get destroyed against IMHappy. Read what you reply to :s
Hes talking about Maruprime not Happy which people above him were talking about..
Read what you reply to :s
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Back to Square 1 for the Western Scene.
Keep Fighting! The West will rise again!
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On January 31 2012 21:46 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:41 0ne wrote:On January 31 2012 21:39 Hassybaby wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 31 2012 21:33 Hassybaby wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 chipmonklord17 wrote:On January 31 2012 21:29 Darkthorn wrote:On January 31 2012 21:27 ragnorr wrote:On January 31 2012 21:26 eYeball wrote:
No foreigner in Code A, except Sen. Shows how hard the competition has gotten or how low the foreigner standard is now. :/ Sen impressed me in ZvZ, we still got morrow left to morrow going to win vs maru and probably lose vs happy. Idk, I agree Morrow should beat maru but he did do very well against Happy during the TAC. Sure he didn't pull off the win but he did VERY well. Given the amount of training he has I don't see him winning out of the realm of possibility I hate to say it, but Happy's TvZ record speaks for itself Then again, it's there because he does the most generic TvZ builds ever, except for his innovation through cheese I'm not saying he's the favorite, because that's obviously happy. I just think its not outside the realm of possibility for morrow to 2-1 him I agree. I fancy Morrow's chances, especially when he plays both sides of this match-up. I hope at least, I like Morrow Morrow is going to get destroyed hardcore.... Maru got 2-0ed by FruitDealer...think Morrow has a great chance
yeah, half a year ago. What was morrow doing back then? Oh never mind :p! It will be an interesting match. Maru is very young and so nerves may play their part. But skillwise he is definately not below morrow. Overhyping foreigners, only because they are foreigners only, leads to big disappointment when they lose. People should stop with that! I'm not saying Maru will crush Morrow, because that's just unreasonable too. It will be a close interesting match imo. Nothing to be predicted easily.
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On January 31 2012 21:49 Velicia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:37 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Velicia wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 DwD wrote:On January 31 2012 21:28 RJGooner wrote:
Pretty disappointing that EG had both of their players lose to players of this caliber. Of this caliber? You mean players who actually managed to make it through the qualifiers and didn't get a free spot like Idra and Huk? Stop being such a blatent fanboy it's really annoying. I'm sorry but comments like this are very boring. This "free spot" you're referring to changes nothing, both Idra and Huk have consistently proved that they can compete on an even footing with top tier Koreans at MLG and other events. So has HerO, PuMa and a range of other foreigners, but that doesn't mean they belong in Code S. I don't know if you were watching, but this was Code A friend. You're essentially shitting all over their achievements because of the way they were invited to Code S. They have proved their capabilities time and time again but people constantly fall into the same old cycle of insulting them for not "earning spots" via code B. As for current results and the whole undeserved argument, everybody has slumps. (See: Nestea). I would go on but it will fall on deaf ears, because apparently hating foreigners is in vogue.
Uhhh,i do agreed with you but did Nestea go through a slump?From what i know, he is the ONLY player that never drop down to Code A.Losing 1 or 2 games does not mean slumping.MVP or MC would have been a better example.Just saying.
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On January 31 2012 21:51 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:49 Velicia wrote:On January 31 2012 21:37 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Velicia wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 DwD wrote:On January 31 2012 21:28 RJGooner wrote:
Pretty disappointing that EG had both of their players lose to players of this caliber. Of this caliber? You mean players who actually managed to make it through the qualifiers and didn't get a free spot like Idra and Huk? Stop being such a blatent fanboy it's really annoying. I'm sorry but comments like this are very boring. This "free spot" you're referring to changes nothing, both Idra and Huk have consistently proved that they can compete on an even footing with top tier Koreans at MLG and other events. So has HerO, PuMa and a range of other foreigners, but that doesn't mean they belong in Code S. I don't know if you were watching, but this was Code A friend. You're essentially shitting all over their achievements because of the way they were invited to Code S. They have proved their capabilities time and time again but people constantly fall into the same old cycle of insulting them for not "earning spots" via code B. As for current results and the whole undeserved argument, everybody has slumps. (See: Nestea). I would go on but it will fall on deaf ears, because apparently hating foreigners is in vogue. I'm not arguing about whether they deserved their spots or not, but that they "proved" themselves via MLG/other events. Obviously, Idra/HuK are the only ones that have actually showed that they can compete in Code S (and I believe Idra deserves the seed), but to say that they belong in Code S because they have beaten Koreans at foreign/online events is preposterous.
GSL needs foreign seeds because foreigners are unlikely to come to Korea just to play in the qualifiers, where failure is very likely. You can definitely make a good argument for both idra and huk's seeds.
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On January 31 2012 21:49 Velicia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 21:37 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 31 2012 21:35 Velicia wrote:On January 31 2012 21:30 DwD wrote:On January 31 2012 21:28 RJGooner wrote:
Pretty disappointing that EG had both of their players lose to players of this caliber. Of this caliber? You mean players who actually managed to make it through the qualifiers and didn't get a free spot like Idra and Huk? Stop being such a blatent fanboy it's really annoying. I'm sorry but comments like this are very boring. This "free spot" you're referring to changes nothing, both Idra and Huk have consistently proved that they can compete on an even footing with top tier Koreans at MLG and other events. So has HerO, PuMa and a range of other foreigners, but that doesn't mean they belong in Code S. I don't know if you were watching, but this was Code A friend. You're essentially shitting all over their achievements because of the way they were invited to Code S. They have proved their capabilities time and time again but people constantly fall into the same old cycle of insulting them for not "earning spots" via code B. As for current results and the whole undeserved argument, everybody has slumps. (See: Nestea). I would go on but it will fall on deaf ears, because apparently hating foreigners is in vogue.
Hard to "prove yourself" in Korea when your competition is normally against 2rd rate foreigners. Honestly that's my problem with these Code-S invites.
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