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NASL Sunday Showdown #1TSLPolt vs LiquidHerO![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ksshh.png)
Date:Monday, Jan 23 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)Rebroadcast:Monday, Jan 23 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)Watch It Live!
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What is NASL Sunday Showdown?+ Show Spoiler +NASL Announces Showmatch Series! To kick off 2012, the North American Star League announced that several improvements were underway, from plans to go live to additional programming, and more. Today, NASL reveals yet another new addition to its eSports programming lineup: the NASL Sunday Showdown. Each Sunday, NASL will feature two of the world’s finest players compete in a Bo7 showmatch for a $500 prize pool! The victor of the series will be awarded $400 and glory, while the loser will take home $100 as a consolation. This Sunday Showdown, which will be utilizing GSL maps, will air after the NASL Team League each Sunday throughout the Team League. So tune in each Sunday at 6pm PST for an exciting team match, followed by the Sunday Showdown.
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Holy shit, this is a huge match-up, but I think Polt is going to take it.
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Wow this is going to be great! cant wait to watch!
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Wait on Jan 22? So in like 8 hours?
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Oh shit this is going to be great!
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Will it be 2 new people each week? or the winner remains for next week?
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On January 23 2012 04:48 ArtThouAngry wrote:
Will it be 2 new people each week? or the winner remains for next week?
Two different players each week. 
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Hero doesn't really win as much against koreans, and Polt doesn't lose to protoss. I feel like the results are obvious :/
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On January 23 2012 04:49 NASL.tv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 04:48 ArtThouAngry wrote:
Will it be 2 new people each week? or the winner remains for next week? Two different players each week.
So is it open for community suggestions as I would love a Moon vs Grubby bo7.
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Didn't see a poll in the OP, so here goes:
Poll: Who will win?Polt (70) 74% Hero (24) 26% 94 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Polt
(Vote): Hero
Love Hero, but I'm definitely pulling for Polt here.
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Polt is 71% in TvP vs hero 23% in PvT in the korean TLPD. Polt going to win this
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nice! can't wait for this
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wowowo sick sick match. Polt has one of the scariest TvP's in korea too. Iirc its his best mu?
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Damn, Hero will get dismantled.
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Polt is back in shape. I call 4-0 for terran
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Sorry hero
SC2's only super champion will take it home
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Polt should crush Hero handily. Sorry Hero =/
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"Watch it Live!", Will be it be live though..?
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Dislike TSL but Polt is extreamly good an amazing in TvP unlike Hero so im sending my vote to Polt 4-1
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Gonna be tough for HerO here, definitely. I like both players so I hope it's a good series. ^_^
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Hmm, I think Polt will be the favorite here because of his strong tvp (and hero's weak pvt), but I don't think it'll be super one-sided. Hero usually plays better at non-live events because of his nerve issues.
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I hesitate to say 4-0 Polt because as much as Polt has improved over the last six months, he's in a transitional stage regarding TvP. It would be well-advised for Hero to not do early-game pressure but play a passive macro game.
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Polts TvP is just too good i think he will take it.
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Hero has really been struggling ever since the Blizzard Cup. Polt is going to win.
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if Polt loses, im better than him since I won hero with T on ladder xD (okey it was all-in)
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Hero to take it 4-3 epic game 6 shitty game 7
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I thought NASL was on bad terms with the Korean teams.
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Polt will ROFPSTOMP Hero, his TvP is way too good for Hero.
On January 23 2012 05:31 Welmu wrote:
if Polt loses, im better than him since I won hero with T on ladder xD (okey it was all-in)
In Silver-League?
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Hero's got this! Actually maybe not but he's definitely got a chance. He might get crushed as Polt is a bit of a beast, but Hero's macro PvT is actually pretty damn good if he can get there, pretty underrated. Plus Hero is playing from home, where he looks a lot better.
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Hero should win this. After watching Polt's stream and i can't wonder how he has made it as far as he has in gsls. His mechanics are really subpar for a korean.
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Polt has some sick tvp timings. see him take the win with ease
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On January 23 2012 05:57 Aela wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 05:31 Welmu wrote:
if Polt loses, im better than him since I won hero with T on ladder xD (okey it was all-in) In Silver-League?
You know Welmu is on Empire right? =p
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Polt should dominate, but TvP is iffy for a lot of people lately so who knows, he might get upset.
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I like Hero, but past results cause me to fully expect Polt to dominate this. I'm okay with being proven wrong, though.
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On January 23 2012 06:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hero should win this. After watching Polt's stream and i can't wonder how he has made it as far as he has in gsls. His mechanics are really subpar for a korean.
LOLOLOLOLOL best comment I've read in a while.
Maybe he's in GSL because his mechanics are actually top-tier.
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HEROOOOOOOOOOOO
But admittedly Polt feels more consistent and I would consider him the favorite to win this. Would like HerO to prove me wrong, but it'll be hard.
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On January 23 2012 06:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hero should win this. After watching Polt's stream and i can't wonder how he has made it as far as he has in gsls. His mechanics are really subpar for a korean. LOLOLOLOLOL best comment I've read in a while. Maybe he's in GSL because his mechanics are actually top-tier.
Polt's mechanics always struck me as extremely solid, but never his stand-out factor. His stand-out factor has got to be his insane sense of timing. He always hits when his opponent is most vulnerable and just makes it look silly.
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4-0 ezpz. 4-1 if Polt off-races.
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So you have liquid playing quantic at 9 and hero playing polt at 10? So they overlap?
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On January 23 2012 06:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
So you have liquid playing quantic at 9 and hero playing polt at 10? So they overlap?
i think they might be prerecorded? dunno lol GOGO HERO!
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On January 23 2012 06:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
So you have liquid playing quantic at 9 and hero playing polt at 10? So they overlap?
The showmatch is being aired right after the team match
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On January 23 2012 07:05 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:59 Shellshock1122 wrote:
So you have liquid playing quantic at 9 and hero playing polt at 10? So they overlap? The showmatch is being aired right after the team match
ok thanks. That's what I was wondering.
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wow cool 
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This looks really good! I think Polt will take it because of his sick PvT, but if Hero can consitently take it to the late game I think he could win . I will definitely try to tune in!
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Let's see how HerO performs when not under pressure. Should be a good showmatch!
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On January 23 2012 07:23 Battousai13 wrote:
Let's see how HerO performs when not under pressure. Should be a good showmatch!
He plays for 400$. How can you say there's "no pressure"?
The pressure is probably not that huge compared to an offline tourament.
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Hero is playing everywhere while traveling all the time. needs a break.
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if HerO can play against Polt the way he plays against PuMa, the games are going to be sick. Still think/hope Polt takes it though ^^
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On January 23 2012 06:38 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 06:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hero should win this. After watching Polt's stream and i can't wonder how he has made it as far as he has in gsls. His mechanics are really subpar for a korean. LOLOLOLOLOL best comment I've read in a while. Maybe he's in GSL because his mechanics are actually top-tier. Polt's mechanics always struck me as extremely solid, but never his stand-out factor. His stand-out factor has got to be his insane sense of timing. He always hits when his opponent is most vulnerable and just makes it look silly.
He never plays fast, but he rarely ever makes mistakes. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to want to play faster.
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On January 23 2012 06:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hero should win this. After watching Polt's stream and i can't wonder how he has made it as far as he has in gsls. His mechanics are really subpar for a korean. LOLOLOLOLOL best comment I've read in a while. Maybe he's in GSL because his mechanics are actually top-tier.
have you watched his stream at all? I've watched it a number of times and he is slooooooow. His minimap awareness wasn't very good either.
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On January 23 2012 10:05 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 06:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hero should win this. After watching Polt's stream and i can't wonder how he has made it as far as he has in gsls. His mechanics are really subpar for a korean. LOLOLOLOLOL best comment I've read in a while. Maybe he's in GSL because his mechanics are actually top-tier. have you watched his stream at all? I've watched it a number of times and he is slooooooow. His minimap awareness wasn't very good either.
Polt slow? Unless you're trolling or watching a different Polt I can't see how you can say that maybe he had an off day the time you were watching?
Anyway, both players are very talented, should be an epic matchup, gl to both
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I don't think it will be as bad as people are saying. I'll give it 4-2 for Polt. I'm a big HerO fan though and I can't wait to see what he has prepared.
gogo HerO
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On January 23 2012 10:07 RabidSeagull wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 10:05 ReachTheSky wrote:On January 23 2012 06:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 06:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hero should win this. After watching Polt's stream and i can't wonder how he has made it as far as he has in gsls. His mechanics are really subpar for a korean. LOLOLOLOLOL best comment I've read in a while. Maybe he's in GSL because his mechanics are actually top-tier. have you watched his stream at all? I've watched it a number of times and he is slooooooow. His minimap awareness wasn't very good either. Polt slow? Unless you're trolling or watching a different Polt I can't see how you can say that maybe he had an off day the time you were watching? Anyway, both players are very talented, should be an epic matchup, gl to both
all three times(seperate days)i was watching everything i said was consistant. Maybe he is having off days tho....
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On January 23 2012 10:05 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 06:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 06:10 ReachTheSky wrote:
Hero should win this. After watching Polt's stream and i can't wonder how he has made it as far as he has in gsls. His mechanics are really subpar for a korean. LOLOLOLOLOL best comment I've read in a while. Maybe he's in GSL because his mechanics are actually top-tier. have you watched his stream at all? I've watched it a number of times and he is slooooooow. His minimap awareness wasn't very good either.
I watch his stream every single day when he plays.
Slow =/= bad mechanics. The BW player with the best mechanics in the pro scene, Flash, only has "average" APM among pro gamers. Conversely Vibe has one of the highest APMs in SC2 but his mechanics are low-tier. Polt has some of the best mechanics among Korean terrans simply because he can accomplish everything other Terrans can do, but more efficiently and with less actions (in an informal sense, good mechanics is merely being able to do what you want with the least amount of effort). The drawback is that he doesn't like to get as aggressive with small groups of units as MMA or sC.
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Go Polt! Show us you are the true Hero sc2 deserves
Polt looks really slow on stream but that is because every single one of his actions is efficient, if its needed he can get up to 200 apm aswell.
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hmm..sounds alot like IPL Fight Club.
IPL Team Arena --> NASTL
IPL Fight Club --> NASL Showmatch
competition makes everything better =)
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Polt's TvP isn't really as good as his record indicates and Hero's PvT isn't really as bad as his record indicates, but Polt should still take this.
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This is going to be sick!
Polt is gonna win EZ tho :/
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Hero 4-1!!!! Polt has been sorta...falling down lately...
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NASL must have some damn supportive sponsors, don't know how their pockets are deep enough for 500$ weekly showmatch along with their other leagues
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HOLY SHIT!!! PROPS TO NASL FOR SETTING THIS UP!!!
Gonna be great to see Polt vs HerO :D
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why sheth? i would have liked to see a protoss coupled with gretorp's terran o:
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On January 23 2012 12:07 Gamegene wrote:
why sheth? i would have liked to see a protoss coupled with gretorp's terran o:
Yup. Everybody likes Sheth, but a Toss would have been ideal.
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TSL_Polt, not Polt_Prime, you knowledgeless nerd!
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On January 23 2012 12:09 Leifish wrote:
TSL_Polt, not Polt_Prime, you knowledgeless nerd!
I think it's based on the username of the account they're using and Polt is playing on his PoltPrime account.
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Gogo polt! You got this, although he's much less confident against Protoss as he was previously >.>
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Listening to Sheth cast shows how much more knowledge he has about this game than gretorp. Really good insight into what's going on. We need more player-casters.
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maurauders pretty good nuff said
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Seems like this will be easy for Polt.
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wow... Polt has really changed his style up because he can really play macro games nowadays. o-O
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Great Match, I love the NASL!
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collossi, charge, double upgrades, templar archives...
attacked before his +2 +2 timing
that's tough.
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Predicting Polt to win 4-1
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Sigh I'm so sad of the casters completely misreading the game. Polt was never behind at all and Hero put himself behind by committing to that pressure, delaying his tech while Polt teched straight to medivacs.
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Polt's macro slipped a bit towards the end, but still won. Good engagements.
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On January 23 2012 12:13 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:09 Leifish wrote:
TSL_Polt, not Polt_Prime, you knowledgeless nerd! I think it's based on the username of the account they're using and Polt is playing on his PoltPrime account.
Gretorp is calling him poltprime
sigh.... TTTT
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On January 23 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Sigh I'm so sad of the casters completely misreading the game. Polt was never behind at all and Hero put himself behind by committing to that pressure, delaying his tech while Polt teched straight to medivacs.
Hero was ahead early but as Seth said, Hero was setting up for the late game by getting heavy early upgrades. Polt just had more supply.
Don't doubt the Sethbear, his game knowledge is pretty vast.
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God i love polt. I love hero too but man Polts TvP is a thing of beauty.
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On January 23 2012 12:22 ratzp0li wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:13 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 12:09 Leifish wrote:
TSL_Polt, not Polt_Prime, you knowledgeless nerd! I think it's based on the username of the account they're using and Polt is playing on his PoltPrime account. Gretorp is calling him poltprime sigh.... TTTT
oh....
I see....
Well, he just called him TSLPolt right now. So he can be forgiven.
LOL, luckily it's not signed and printed on some cheering props...
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On January 23 2012 12:26 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:22 ratzp0li wrote:On January 23 2012 12:13 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 12:09 Leifish wrote:
TSL_Polt, not Polt_Prime, you knowledgeless nerd! I think it's based on the username of the account they're using and Polt is playing on his PoltPrime account. Gretorp is calling him poltprime sigh.... TTTT oh.... I see.... Well, he just called him TSLPolt right now. So he can be forgiven. LOL, luckily it's not signed and printed on some cheering props...
My life for AUIR!
Let's go Polt!
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On January 23 2012 12:24 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Sigh I'm so sad of the casters completely misreading the game. Polt was never behind at all and Hero put himself behind by committing to that pressure, delaying his tech while Polt teched straight to medivacs. Hero was ahead early but as Seth said, Hero was setting up for the late game by getting heavy early upgrades. Polt just had more supply. Don't doubt the Sethbear, his game knowledge is pretty vast.
It was even because again, Polt neither delayed starport tech nor stim/combat shields to hold that push. He lost a few SCVs and bunkers but his overall plan was never deterred. Hero was ahead by a little but the advantage swung greatly in Polt's favor once combat shields finished and his third landed.
Hero doing a similar build but it's not going to work. Polt never delays medivac tech for anything. At least Hero is adapting and getting a faster templar archives.
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polt isn't making ghosts ;o.
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man what can kill marauders?
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On January 23 2012 12:34 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
man what can kill marauders?
Those are polt marauders, slight difference
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Holy fuck polt you are so good at tvp
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On January 23 2012 12:34 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
man what can kill marauders?
battlecruisers.
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On January 23 2012 12:36 dmnum wrote:
Holy fuck polt you are so good at tvp
just build marauders XD
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Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
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I like how Polt is playing, not just waiting for protoss to maz out and and keeping up with the aggression so he won't have to deal with the 200 vs 200 instant remax vs protoss.
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On January 23 2012 12:38 xXFireandIceXx wrote:just build marauders XD
lol no. polt is so good at this matchup.
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Does anyone know how long ago these games were played? I imagine Polt doesn't want to reveal all his builds in preparation for his Code A match vs. Creator.
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It looks really difficult to play protoss without being defensive and just turtling in the mid-lategame.
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polt too good for hero =D
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On January 23 2012 12:41 Nate5911 wrote:
Does anyone know how long ago these games were played? I imagine Polt doesn't want to reveal all his builds in preparation for his Code A match vs. Creator.
lol doesn't really matter for TvP. always MMMVG vs Standard Protoss Deathball.
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On January 23 2012 12:40 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:38 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On January 23 2012 12:36 dmnum wrote:
Holy fuck polt you are so good at tvp just build marauders XD lol no. polt is so good at this matchup.
haha i know. just sayin' marauders are pretty good against storm, archons, and collosi
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On January 23 2012 12:42 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:40 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:38 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On January 23 2012 12:36 dmnum wrote:
Holy fuck polt you are so good at tvp just build marauders XD lol no. polt is so good at this matchup. haha i know. just sayin' marauders are pretty good against storm, archons, and collosi
not my marauders  .
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On January 23 2012 12:42 xXFireandIceXx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:40 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:38 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On January 23 2012 12:36 dmnum wrote:
Holy fuck polt you are so good at tvp just build marauders XD lol no. polt is so good at this matchup. haha i know. just sayin' marauders are pretty good against storm, archons, and collosi
Haha thinly veiled balance whines are always a treat.
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I love Polt too and he is one of the terrans would tell you that Terran is imba.
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On January 23 2012 12:43 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:42 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On January 23 2012 12:40 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:38 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On January 23 2012 12:36 dmnum wrote:
Holy fuck polt you are so good at tvp just build marauders XD lol no. polt is so good at this matchup. haha i know. just sayin' marauders are pretty good against storm, archons, and collosi not my marauders .
Hahah, QTF! My micro/positioning is never good enough
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On January 23 2012 12:42 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:41 Nate5911 wrote:
Does anyone know how long ago these games were played? I imagine Polt doesn't want to reveal all his builds in preparation for his Code A match vs. Creator. lol doesn't really matter for TvP. always MMMVG vs Standard Protoss Deathball.
That is composition. Builds are a little bit different, I'm sure polt has some timing attacks prepared for creator.
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On January 23 2012 12:43 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:42 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On January 23 2012 12:40 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:38 xXFireandIceXx wrote:On January 23 2012 12:36 dmnum wrote:
Holy fuck polt you are so good at tvp just build marauders XD lol no. polt is so good at this matchup. haha i know. just sayin' marauders are pretty good against storm, archons, and collosi Haha thinly veiled balance whines are always a treat.
mhm. not going all out but just hinting at it...possibly =)
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I don't believe in HerO. esp/ after his poor performances recently. Go Polt
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I love Sheth but why have him cast a PvT?
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On January 23 2012 12:44 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:42 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:41 Nate5911 wrote:
Does anyone know how long ago these games were played? I imagine Polt doesn't want to reveal all his builds in preparation for his Code A match vs. Creator. lol doesn't really matter for TvP. always MMMVG vs Standard Protoss Deathball. That is composition. Builds are a little bit different, I'm sure polt has some timing attacks prepared for creator.
lol are there any other timings besides the medivac and ghost timing attacks?
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Hero can't win from here, game is over.
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Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
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Polt gonna 4-0 it. Hopefully HerO doesn't meet Polt in Code A lol.
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Risky build from HerO, gets punished for it.
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if you lose more than 5 probes you will lose to a 1-1-1. no way to hold it.
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This is painful to watch as a HerO fan .
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4-0 incoming. TSL needs to send Polt to foreign events.
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On January 23 2012 12:50 andaylin wrote:
1-1-1 Pretty Good.
he was already dead from the cloaked banshee. he was greedy with late robo
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On January 23 2012 12:47 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:44 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 12:42 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:41 Nate5911 wrote:
Does anyone know how long ago these games were played? I imagine Polt doesn't want to reveal all his builds in preparation for his Code A match vs. Creator. lol doesn't really matter for TvP. always MMMVG vs Standard Protoss Deathball. That is composition. Builds are a little bit different, I'm sure polt has some timing attacks prepared for creator. lol are there any other timings besides the medivac and ghost timing attacks?
?? 1 or 2 marauder concussive pressure?
Stim and or CS timing?
Also timings are created by your opponent's build as well, so if you scout 1 gate expo, you have a timing window to kill a few probes, so it's not always entirely dependent on your own tech/units.
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On January 23 2012 12:50 R1CH wrote:This is painful to watch as a HerO fan .
But wonderful if you're a Polt fan. :D
Glass half-full and all that.
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Well hopefully this is a good sign for Polt's upcoming code A run since he starts off vs Creator
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On January 23 2012 12:50 Leifish wrote:
4-0 incoming. TSL needs to send Polt to foreign events.
they did when he went to MLG but he didnt even get on the main stage. wtf
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On January 23 2012 12:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Well hopefully this is a good sign for Polt's upcoming code A run since he starts off vs Creator
Creator has much better PvT than HerO does.
Even I'm scared.
GG's by Polt tonight though.
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MMA can dominate IEM and Polt can dominate MMA. Hero loses to a champion player. That is simple.
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Fionn will be so happy to see Polt dismantling hero lol
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On January 23 2012 12:51 edwahn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:47 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:44 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 12:42 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:41 Nate5911 wrote:
Does anyone know how long ago these games were played? I imagine Polt doesn't want to reveal all his builds in preparation for his Code A match vs. Creator. lol doesn't really matter for TvP. always MMMVG vs Standard Protoss Deathball. That is composition. Builds are a little bit different, I'm sure polt has some timing attacks prepared for creator. lol are there any other timings besides the medivac and ghost timing attacks? ?? 1 or 2 marauder concussive pressure? Stim and or CS timing? Also timings are created by your opponent's build as well, so if you scout 1 gate expo, you have a timing window to kill a few probes, so it's not always entirely dependent on your own tech/units.
lol you mean standard 2 rax? not much of a timing since 1g expo can hold it off.
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and polt still eats protoss
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This series shouldn't be TOO long ago since they're playing on Entombed.
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This has been a very one-sided series so far. Hero cannot seem to catch a break ever since Blizzard Cup.
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On January 23 2012 12:53 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Well hopefully this is a good sign for Polt's upcoming code A run since he starts off vs Creator Creator has much better PvT than HerO does. Even I'm scared. GG's by Polt tonight though.
In a micro battle, Polt will win. But yes, Creator knows how to make good use of his build and has better macro and understand of the mu I believe.
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Hero isnt playing very well to be honest, hes still hyper aggressive. That one game he kept moving out on the map at 130 supply didnt make any sense, he just kept letting his zealots get kited while his stalkers or HT don't engage at all. Nothing amazing from Polt, just very sloppy from hero.
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wow...hero just let all 3 of his immortals die for a supply depot.
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Wow losing those 3 immortals...
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........ 3 Immortals down the drain...
HERO COME ON!!!
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Hero just tossed away his lead with that, incredibly sloppy
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wow hero is just getting outclased by polt imo. this is the difference between a gsl champion and a player that has trouble getting into code s.
edit: in Polt's best matchup
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Polt still has his Protoss killing touch.
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On January 23 2012 12:47 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:44 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 12:42 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:41 Nate5911 wrote:
Does anyone know how long ago these games were played? I imagine Polt doesn't want to reveal all his builds in preparation for his Code A match vs. Creator. lol doesn't really matter for TvP. always MMMVG vs Standard Protoss Deathball. That is composition. Builds are a little bit different, I'm sure polt has some timing attacks prepared for creator. lol are there any other timings besides the medivac and ghost timing attacks?
Yea...there kind of are. Timings will vary depending on your opponent's play style and builds. Even in BW after 10 years there are still players coming up with new timings to explore the opponent.
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On January 23 2012 13:03 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 12:47 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:44 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 12:42 andaylin wrote:On January 23 2012 12:41 Nate5911 wrote:
Does anyone know how long ago these games were played? I imagine Polt doesn't want to reveal all his builds in preparation for his Code A match vs. Creator. lol doesn't really matter for TvP. always MMMVG vs Standard Protoss Deathball. That is composition. Builds are a little bit different, I'm sure polt has some timing attacks prepared for creator. lol are there any other timings besides the medivac and ghost timing attacks? Yea...there kind of are. Timings will vary depending on your opponent's play style and builds.
gg timing. =)
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HerO = ( No wonder he was so down at IEM
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Why did u tech and expand behind when you were about to win with that attack? and also the mico??
If mc was playing, the game is done.... T T
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:[.....
Feels like a 4-0 incoming...
COME ON HERO!!!
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Hero should have this game.
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why are battles in TvP so much more interesting when collosus aren't involved.
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On January 23 2012 13:08 Seeker wrote:
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Feels like a 4-0 incoming...
COME ON HERO!!!
1 minute too soon.
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I love Polt's aggression. Just randomly sending in his army to snipe something here and there from the army when the protoss thinks there's no way he's going to engage the army.
I feel like Hero threw away those immortals at the beginning because he's just not used to a terran being so aggressive when he's the one who's "suppose" to be aggressive.
Regardless, Hero should have this game at least.
EDIT: This show match deserves more viewers!!!
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YEAH BABY!!! HERO GRABBING THAT GAME LIKE A BAWS!!
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At least it wont be a 4-0
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Hey, at least it was not a 4-0 sweep.
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Sheth's casting is a bit less smooth than usual. Must be trying to keep things unbiased (which hes doing a great job of.)
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On January 23 2012 13:11 wklbishop wrote:
I love Polt's aggression. Just randomly sending in his army to snipe something here and there from the army when the protoss thinks there's no way he's going to engage the army.
I feel like Hero threw away those immortals at the beginning because he's just not used to a terran being so aggressive when he's the one who's "suppose" to be aggressive.
Regardless, Hero should have this game at least.
EDIT: This show match deserves more viewers!!!
That is because toss army is not as mobile as other two race's army before they have their tech upgraded.
Terrans and zergs should make use of that.
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guessing this isn't live due to Sheth streaming....
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On January 23 2012 12:21 zestzorb wrote:
Predicting Polt to win 4-1
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Now THAT's what I call StarSense
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not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league
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On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league
Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A.
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DT's never work except when Inca does it.
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damn, polt dominated. Hero was so clever with those DTs but Polt had some insane game sense there.
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Meh..... disappointing games from HerO. Great games from Polt
THIS MAKES ME MAD!!! I love it when I watch HerO own it up but..... sigh..... he's been slumping recently :[
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On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A.
Polt barely missed code s
Hero can barely stay in code a
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"My favorite was the Entombed Valley one."
Okay, Gretorp. Okay.
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On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A.
i know, but considering polt's tvp and hero's pvt they really aren't.
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On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A.
hahahahahaha nice
nice showing by polt.
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How can I watch the games I missed?
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I still can't believe Polt lost to Inca in the up and down matches =/
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On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A.
Yeah well, one practices day and night the other one studies in the best university of Korea.. not in the same league indeed.
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On January 23 2012 13:23 IMStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Polt barely missed code s Hero can barely stay in code a
both went 2-2 in up and downs matches
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On January 23 2012 13:24 FuRong wrote:
I still can't believe Polt lost to Inca in the up and down matches =/
those pesky DTs
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On January 23 2012 13:24 FuRong wrote:
I still can't believe Polt lost to Inca in the up and down matches =/
Fast hidden DT's are good.
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On January 23 2012 13:23 Seeker wrote:
Meh..... disappointing games from HerO. Great games from Polt
THIS MAKES ME MAD!!! I love it when I watch HerO own it up but..... sigh..... he's been slumping recently :[
Slumping? No, it's called playing against real competition. Hero is a fun player to watch but he isn't and never was an elite player.
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Remember that Polt lost to the exact same build against Inca on Tal'Darim Altar. After seeing the low sentry/stalker count he would've prepared against that happening again.
EDIT: Actually not the same build. But Dual Sight gives you the time to prepare against a DT response to 2 rax.
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On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A.
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Polt in multiple Code S showings and Super Tournament winner.
But you have a wonderful technicality >.>
Well played by Polt.
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On January 23 2012 13:23 IMStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Polt barely missed code s Hero can barely stay in code a
Yeah, but they are still in the same league. Why you even comment?
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On January 23 2012 13:24 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Yeah well, one practices day and night the other one studies in the best university of Korea.. not in the same league indeed.
I thought Polt took a one year break from university to concentrate on starcraft?
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On January 23 2012 13:23 IMStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Polt barely missed code s Hero can barely stay in code a
Up/Downs : Polt 2-2
Up/Downs : HerO 2-2
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Yeah, Polt's still pretty freaking good against Protoss. HerO looked a bit...idk flustered? He didn't seem to be playing to his usual standards to me.
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On January 23 2012 13:27 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:24 s4life wrote:On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Yeah well, one practices day and night the other one studies in the best university of Korea.. not in the same league indeed. I thought Polt took a one year break from university to concentrate on starcraft?
Yes, doesn't change the fact that those game were quite awful from Hero
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On January 23 2012 13:27 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:24 s4life wrote:On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Yeah well, one practices day and night the other one studies in the best university of Korea.. not in the same league indeed. I thought Polt took a one year break from university to concentrate on starcraft?
Huh, isn't he done with uni?
I'm not sure, but can someone clarify it for us?
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Now that's how a GSL Super Champion plays. His bio-balls reminded me of Muhammed Ali's "float like butterfly, sting like a bee". Such an amazing bio-player.
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On January 23 2012 13:26 iiss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:23 IMStyle wrote:On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Polt barely missed code s Hero can barely stay in code a Yeah, but they are still in the same league. Why you even comment?
Clearly they not. These games show it clearly.
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On January 23 2012 13:27 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:24 s4life wrote:On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Yeah well, one practices day and night the other one studies in the best university of Korea.. not in the same league indeed. I thought Polt took a one year break from university to concentrate on starcraft?
Yeah, I think he did.. but the point still stands. Hero is a foreigner killer though, well at least he was until recently...
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On January 23 2012 13:28 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:23 IMStyle wrote:On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Polt barely missed code s Hero can barely stay in code a Up/Downs : Polt 2-2 Up/Downs : HerO 2-2 -__-;;
If you watch the games they show completely different levels in terms of skill.
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dont think that hero would be bad at tvp honestly, it seems like he just wants to play a style tvp doesn't allow. you have to sit on your base and tech and just amass a deathball past the early game unless you're doing an all in. very few options. when you move out on the map you're basically hoping that terran doesn't flank in which case you're dead. i feel like if he just turtled like every other protoss he'd be fine.
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On January 23 2012 13:26 iiss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:23 IMStyle wrote:On January 23 2012 13:21 dmnum wrote:On January 23 2012 13:20 msjakofsky wrote:
not to hate on hero but these two are not in the same league Yes they are. GSL 2012 Season 1 Code A. Polt barely missed code s Hero can barely stay in code a Yeah, but they are still in the same league. Why you even comment?
Because it's fairly obvious that he doesn't mean literally the same league. And no, they are not in the same league.
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I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
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On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer.
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On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
Don't let the hero fans see this. They seem to get mad.
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Polt isn't exactly fast with his hands, he is extremely precise, smart and has amazing decisions.
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Lol it was a joke. But I guess sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet.
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On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer.
To be fair the level of Code A has vastly risen in the last 2-3 GSLs. Most of the mediocre Code S players are now in Code A, and Code S has barely any weak players anymore.
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On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer.
The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today.
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On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today.
I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea.
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On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today.
Can you say inca belongs in code s then...
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On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer.
To be fair, he defeated DRG to qualify to CodeA and droped out and then he managed to qualify again and this is impressive. And last season he did manage to make it to the up and down.
I feel like Hero needs to learn sth from Mc's experience. When Mc was playing tournaments non stop, he found himself started to fall behind. And look at Mc now, after the MLG providence, he cancel dreamhack so that he could focus on blizz cup. And after HSC, he only concentrates on gsl. He is having a holiday in Korea while hero is still flying all over the world.
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On January 23 2012 13:34 R!! wrote:
Polt isn't exactly fast with his hands, he is extremely precise, smart and has amazing decisions.
exactly lol, if anyone has a chance to watch his stream will notice this, he never spam the crap out of anything, pretty slow compare to others but very precise.
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On January 23 2012 13:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. To be fair the level of Code A has vastly risen in the last 2-3 GSLs. Most of the mediocre Code S players are now in Code A, and Code S has barely any weak players anymore.
Yeah especially with the new format in code S there is much less upsets (good thing).
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On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
yeah any need for arguing that Polt belongs or not ? seriously he won some of the hardest GSL and ended up in top5 ranking. when does ppl finally decide to give him Polt some fuckin credit ? I mean, lots of it
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On January 23 2012 13:41 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:34 R!! wrote:
Polt isn't exactly fast with his hands, he is extremely precise, smart and has amazing decisions. exactly lol, if anyone has a chance to watch his stream will notice this, he never spam the crap out of anything, pretty slow compare to others but very precise.
Totally agree on this, when i watch his stream i cant believe how slow it looks...and somehow he completely dominates all his games and defends everything thrown at him
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On January 23 2012 13:41 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:34 R!! wrote:
Polt isn't exactly fast with his hands, he is extremely precise, smart and has amazing decisions. exactly lol, if anyone has a chance to watch his stream will notice this, he never spam the crap out of anything, pretty slow compare to others but very precise.
He has good knowlege on this game. I watch his stream sometimes and compare to Mc's, he is slow enough. But he can defeat Mc.
As a Mc fan, I have to say Polt is really good at this game.
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On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea.
I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently.
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On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently.
I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more.
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On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently.
Losing to Violet (one of the best ZvPs outside of Korea) and Nerchio (ditto) is not bad at all. Barely not making it out of his group because of a PvP and a somewhat BO loss is not terrible either. If this trend continues then we can determine whether it's a personal slump or an indication of decaying skill.
On January 23 2012 13:41 mango_destroyer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:35 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. To be fair the level of Code A has vastly risen in the last 2-3 GSLs. Most of the mediocre Code S players are now in Code A, and Code S has barely any weak players anymore. Yeah especially with the new format in code S there is much less upsets (good thing).
There are still plenty of upsets but now they feel like legitimate showings of skill rather than luck.
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On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more.
Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style.
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On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style.
That's true of the games against Feast.
But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before.
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On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before.
vs violet he blocked his own nexus...and vs nerchio just very sloppy. opened stargate and did no damage and lost all his units for nothing etc.
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On January 23 2012 14:04 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. vs violet he blocked his own nexus...and vs nerchio just very sloppy. opened stargate and did no damage and lost all his units for nothing etc.
LOLs. I would continue to debate and I do believe certain aspects of the zerg play having worked certain drone timings to compensate...., but I have to admit I picked pretty bad examples and I'm in a bad position here so I'll concede.
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This is an awesome event. I'll be tuning in for sure!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
On January 23 2012 14:41 0neder wrote:
This is an awesome event. I'll be tuning in for sure!
It's over.
EDIT: Oh i see.... the rebroadcast tomorrow
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On January 23 2012 14:41 0neder wrote:
This is an awesome event. I'll be tuning in for sure!
That's gonna be a bit hard.
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The voting tells me the bandwagon for hero has come to a halt....interesting I must say.
Overall fun games, and I'm looking forward to more.
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Northern Ireland25286 Posts
On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before.
That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch.
Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it.
Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail.
Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2.
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On January 24 2012 01:02 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch. Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it. Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail. Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2.
i don't think people want hero to fail, but there have been many claims 1-2 months ago that he could be the best protoss in the world who revolutionizes pvz etc etc which were kinda annoying and only based on fanboyism (this was at the time when toss never advanced in gsl). i like him but objectively he isn't in the same league as polt or the very top of korea.
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On January 25 2012 06:56 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 01:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch. Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it. Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail. Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2. i don't think people want hero to fail, but there have been many claims 1-2 months ago that he could be the best protoss in the world who revolutionizes pvz etc etc which were kinda annoying and only based on fanboyism (this was at the time when toss never advanced in gsl). i like him but objectively he isn't in the same league as polt or the very top of korea.
haha definitely. there was this period when he was "untouchable". i think it was just a lot of love and excitement
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On January 24 2012 01:02 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch. Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it. Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail. Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2.
I highly doubt you could peace together more than 5 people who actually legiteamately want "Hero to fail", it's just that people have taken to calling the guy the Best PvZer, Best Protoss due to some nice foreign tourney runs all well he was flopping out hard in Code A.
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On January 25 2012 08:00 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 01:02 Wombat_NI wrote:On January 23 2012 14:03 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:54 GreyKnight wrote:On January 23 2012 13:50 wklbishop wrote:On January 23 2012 13:48 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 23 2012 13:36 Bagration wrote:On January 23 2012 13:33 1Eris1 wrote:On January 23 2012 13:31 double620 wrote:
I feel like Polt belongs to CodeS and Hero belongs to CodeA. Not to mention other things, Polt basically outmicro and out multi-tasking Hero all the time.
I don't even think Hero belongs in Code A. He's never really proven he can even compete with the average Code Aer. The fact that Hero has survived elimination from Code A suggests that he belongs there. But his recent poor play, starting with the Blizzard Cup, is troubling for Hero's chances of remaining in Code A. But Hero was utterly destroyed by Polt today. I'm not sure if you can even call that "poor play", considering that Hero was never a top tier player in Korea. I was referring to the fact that he got knocked out in the group stages in HSC 4 and IEM Kiev. While he has never been a top Korean player, he at least was dominant against foreigners last year. Now it seems he cannot even beat them consistently. I think that's less indicative of his skill level and more indicative of the fact that the guy plays so much with foreigners that they kind of know of his style more and more as they had to prepare for him more. Look at the way he's been knocked out instead of results. He made a bunch of mistakes and build order choices. Nobody figured out his style. That's true of the games against Feast. But I feel like zerg players like Violet and Nerchio are better at dealing with his kind of harass, along with a few other players that while didn;t defeat him, still took a game or two off him. Not saying his style is figured out, just saying it's not as effective. I mean... I don't see him doing sentry drops or stuff like that to AS great effect as before. That's a shame really if/when it happens. The PvZ style Hero and JYP developed in tandem (they are pretty good friends apparently) is so much more entertaining to watch than that of other players. Actually makes the matchup bearable to watch. Hero is better than his haters make out, and worse than his fanboys like to think. He's a solid Code A level player, and he's had a pretty decent career thus far despite having the worst nerve issues of almost any player I've seen. The difference between Hero's A-game and when he is playing sloppily is just massive and hopefully he can conquer it. Apart from as a reaction to overhype I don't get why people seem to want the guy who plays some of the most interesting styles of any Protoss to fail. Also props to Polt, the guy is a beast at this game and is probably the most underrated player in all of Starcraft 2. I highly doubt you could peace together more than 5 people who actually legiteamately want "Hero to fail", it's just that people have taken to calling the guy the Best PvZer, Best Protoss due to some nice foreign tourney runs all well he was flopping out hard in Code A.
There were probably more than 5 people who legitmately wanted "Hero to fail", but they were probably trolls, haters or Neo-Nazis. Either way, it's probably best to ignore them.
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Hero was never even the best protoss or pvzer at any time. He had the most opportunity and most foreign events attended and so he was beating foreigners.
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Why Hero, why?
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