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North American Star Team League
Week 1 Day 1
Date: Friday, Jan 20 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
EU Rebroadcast: Friday, Jan 20 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Format+ Show Spoiler +- Best of 5
-- 4 BO1 1v1s
-- If tied after all 4 games there is a BO3 Ace Match
- Players are picked before the match is started and picked based on the given map
- 7 Week Season
- Top 4 are seeded into Playoffs
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/98.jpg) vs ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/teams/24.png)
Empire (0-0) vs EG (0-0)
Match 1
Match 2
Match 3
Match 4
Ace Match (If Applicable)
Final Results
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EG should take this in the first 3 sets, otherwise it would probably go into an ace match. Sorry Machine, but Kas is so strong.
Still, it's BO1 so anything can happen still. EG 3-0 or EG 3-2 would be my predictions.
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EG wins 3-2 probably with Kas, Beasty, JYP and Puma winning their matches :/ Puma or JYP will probably win the ace match.
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Yeah...if beasty wins it will go to Ace. Then Kas could win in the ace match as well, since JYP is horrible vs T and PuMa certainly isn't unbeatable for him.
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Gogo Empire and gogo TPW maps 
Kas will decide this in Ace match!
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could you remind us who will be casting this?
Otherwise I think EG should take this, but Empire is a VERY strong team. Specially Kas. He can take a BO3 of Puma or Jyp, or Idra or Huk or anyone, really.
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Goddamit I love team leagues. EG should win this, 3-0, Kas would beat Machine if it came to it though.
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Should be Kas v PuMa in an ace match, thinking that could go either way.
Failed to see the times this is streamed, guess I won't be seeing any of these as per usual with NASL 
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3-2 depending on who takes the ace match,Sorry demu and Machine but Beastyqt ja Kas are too good.
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Hmm why were qualifiers all kill format, but now it's this format?
Also, damn you I have homework to do!
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Where can I find the full team/schedule for this? It sucks that you put this the day off and would really like to know when the other matches will be played.
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On January 20 2012 05:13 Bagration wrote:
EG should take this in the first 3 sets, otherwise it would probably go into an ace match. Sorry Machine, but Kas is so strong.
Still, it's BO1 so anything can happen still. EG 3-0 or EG 3-2 would be my predictions.
I think Beastyqt will win his game so probably ace.
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gotta go with EG on this one
probably 3-0 but if not then 3-2 i think
depends on ACE match
are idra/huk available for this?
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Beastyqt is serbian not russian .
Edit: And TLPD links the korean happy not the russian one.
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Does the ace player have to be one of the 4 who have already played? Tried to check official NASL rosters but they are out of date (EG) or missing completely (Empire)
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On January 20 2012 05:50 Full.tilt wrote:Does the ace player have to be one of the 4 who have already played? Tried to check official NASL rosters but they are out of date ( EG) or missing completely ( Empire)
No. Anyone from their roster can play in the Ace match even if they didn't play in the first 4.
Also updated the OP with the schedule link and EU Broadcast time.
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I feel team leagues in 2012 will be much better because the teams feel a bit more "developed" and they have grown into roles, making them much more identifiable.
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2-2
We'll see what happens in Ace!
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3-1 for eg. gonna be intresting, love those teamleagues
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thanks for hosting this but how come you're still running Bo1s? it's 2012 
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Hard to predict, especially if it comes down to the ace match. Kas could beat Puma, nad he has shown that he can also beat Idra. Should be interesting.
I predict 3:2 for Empire.
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hm... my guess is the following:
Happy < PuMa
Aristeo < JYP
BeastyQt > DeMusliM
Kas > Machine
Ace:
Kas vs ???
so either 3-2 or 2-3
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Could be 3-0 EG, In my eyes DeMusliM vs BeastyQt is a coinflip, I'd favour Demu by just a bit, and JYP and PuMa are favoured. Otherwise I'd like to see it go to an Ace if possible!
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On January 20 2012 05:58 NASL.tv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 05:50 Full.tilt wrote:Does the ace player have to be one of the 4 who have already played? Tried to check official NASL rosters but they are out of date ( EG) or missing completely ( Empire) No. Anyone from their roster can play in the Ace match even if they didn't play in the first 4. Also updated the OP with the schedule link and EU Broadcast time.
Ah cool thanks for the reply, lovin' me some more team league action!
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Empire wins this ezpz.
May i suggest to add in the OP for the EU rebroadcast the time of broadcast in a common european timezone like GMT/CET..cannot compute PST :-)
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I was waiting for IdrA... then i saw the picture and i was like oh look its idra... then it was like machine and i was like noooooooooo ( )
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On January 20 2012 05:15 Goldomen wrote:
EG wins 3-2 probably with Kas, Beasty, JYP and Puma winning their matches :/ Puma or JYP will probably win the ace match.
There's no way JYP will be the ace. Kas is known as the ace player for Empire, so sending out JYP against him would be an incredibly stupid move.
I hope it goes to the ace, the predictions you posted seem most likely and an ace match with Kas vs Puma would be quite exciting.
Empire probably bit themselves in the ass after seeing that Kas got matched up against Machine, most people on Empire should beat Machine and he'd be much better off playing against Demuslim or JYP. Puma probably not, I'd rather expect a loss in that game and focus on winning the other ones.
If the matchups were Happy vs Machine, Aristeo vs Puma, and Kas/beastyqt vs JYP/Demuslim, I'd have given Empire good odds on beating EG without an ace match. Tough luck, I'd say.
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I don't understand why the main NASTL tournament is using a different match format than the qualifers, which were all-kill format. What is the point of that and how does it make any sense at all?
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3-2 Empire.
Puma>Happy
JYP>Aristeo
Demuslim<Beastyqt
Machine<Kas
EG ace<Kas
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Really hoping it goes to Ace match and EG throws out Idra.
Edit: Who then takes the win. 
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EG has this, I do believe that the NASTL will bring some very good numbers.
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So this will be played on a eurpean server I would assume? Is demuslim in Korea yet?
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On January 20 2012 08:50 Darion wrote:
I don't understand why the main NASTL tournament is using a different match format than the qualifers, which were all-kill format. What is the point of that and how does it make any sense at all?
It makes scheduling more fair and reasonable on a weekly basis for teams, particularly if they have players living around the globe. In an all-kill, you'd need to have the entire team online at once, which could be 10am for one player, and 2am for another. While someone might be able to deal with that for one weekend in a qualifier, it's a bit rough to do on a weekly basis.
This way, each of the first four matches can be scheduled individually at different times throughout the day so that you know the players are playing at their best and not completely throwing their sleeping patterns around.
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This should be a good series of matches, especially looking forward to Beastyqt vs Demuslim.
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United States97276 Posts
Puma
JYP
Beastyqt
Kas
Puma vs Kas for the ace match.
toss up
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Yay, no all-kill format! With IPL doing all-kill it'll be nice to see some deviation between the leagues.
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I'll take a moment to break down the games how im seeing it lay out.
This Is What I want:
Happy < PuMa
Aristeo < JYP
BeastyQt > DeMusliM
Kas > Machine
Ace:
Kas vs Puma/Idra/Huk
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This Is What May Happen:
Happy < PuMa
Aristeo < JYP
BeastyQt < DeMusliM
Kas > Machine
Lets be honest here.
Demuslim is 3-0 Beasty, so thats good for the mindgames, but Beasty has recently gone in overdrive and has a good chance of taking him, so its really the swing match, but not the completely deciding factor.
Even if Beasty takes it, I dont think Kas can take it in the ace. Statistics: Kas vs Idra is 9-6 in Kas's favor. Kas vs Huk is 1-3 in Huk's favor. Kas vs Puma is 0-2 is Pumas favor. Huge confidence boosts when you can look back while preparing and know you have the upper hand. That being said Beasty and Kas should also feel pretty confident looking back and their overall performance recently and be in momentum.
Should be a good solid series imo. Honestly dont know who'd i bet for in the Ace, all depends on how deep EG will go into the roster.
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PuMa will take everyone out for sure.
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Can't see this not going to the ace match. Maybe Demuslim can beat Beasty. Maybe.
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Man Puma really needs to get a nuke off on those vikings/ravens. O.o They are doing so much damage.
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On January 20 2012 11:10 VirGin wrote:
Who casts? Gretorp and?
Firezerg! :D:D:D:D:D
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Gretorp flip/floping in game one makes me sad. What is his obsession with the units lost tab.
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That game is fucking sick :D
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And Happy wins with mass seeker missiles ! :D
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That was ridiculous wow gj happy.
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Well that game was a bit crazy
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Holy sh... that was indeed a sick, sick game.
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That was an incredible game. <3 Ravens. < 3k viewers makes me sad though, that game should've been seen by all.
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prefer this format to IPL's . disappointing that not more people are watching this though, missed out a pretty good game..
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On January 20 2012 11:41 Ubenn wrote:
Gretorp flip/floping in game one makes me sad. What is his obsession with the units lost tab.
He tried to understand who is ahead.
And failed lol.
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I think the biggest thing that cost Puma that game was during the first engagement with the ravens, a HSM was launched against Puma's vikings and he was running them away...but for some reason (accidental I assume), he moved them a tiny bit backwards allowing the HSM to catch up and destory all of his vikings save 4-5.
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Yuck, best of 1? Taking the GCPL format? Hopefully playoffs will have Bo3's at least.
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Chi va piano va sano. Happy could have ended this by the midgame, but, well, Ravens slowly did the deal in their explosive way.
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On January 20 2012 11:48 Dexington wrote:
Yuck, best of 1? Taking the GCPL format? Hopefully playoffs will have Bo3's at least.
this is the standard proleague format. there's nothing wrong with best of 1s...
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I just realized the the first round format is 1 giant round robin group stage. How awesome.
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Russian players getting just stronger!!!
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60-36 supply, equal harvesters, 2base, Gretorp doesnt think Beasty is clearly ahead ...
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On January 20 2012 12:11 00Visor wrote:
60-36 supply, equal harvesters, 2base, Gretorp doesnt think Beasty is clearly ahead ...
yeah, that was funny ... or maybe sad :X
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On January 20 2012 12:11 00Visor wrote:
60-36 supply, equal harvesters, 2base, Gretorp doesnt think Beasty is clearly ahead ...
and huge tech advantage >.> lol
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Is it just me, or is Gretorp having a MASSIVE off day today?
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...did Demuslim practice at all? seemed like he just got stomped...
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Gretorp >.< Check the supplies...
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roflstomped :O
KAS vs Machine for match point.
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Is gretorp's analysis always like this... -.-
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On January 20 2012 12:11 00Visor wrote:
60-36 supply, equal harvesters, 2base, Gretorp doesnt think Beasty is clearly ahead ...
But of course... everything would have been OK, if he had killed this siege tank. /sarcasm off XD
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yes... He is always this bad.
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Who's Gretorp's co-caster? He ain't half-bad.
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On January 20 2012 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Who's Gretorp's co-caster? He ain't half-bad.
I believe it's Firezerg
Coach on Gosucoaching and a pretty decent player.
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Firezerg, US zerg player, great guy tbh...
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On January 20 2012 12:13 Myia wrote:
yes... He is always this bad.
Not true at all. Gretorp is normally pretty decent at analysis.
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I think empire has this Eager to see how EG would do but kinda disappointed in the results
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On January 20 2012 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Who's Gretorp's co-caster? He ain't half-bad.
The most impressive part about the co-caster is being able not to crack up when Gretorp says something like "well, I think they're about even" in that situation. Props to you sir.
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uh how did puma lose to happy. happy was supply blocked at 19 for so long and i stopped watching.
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That was just embarrassing by gretorp lol. Idk what he was thinking.
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On January 20 2012 12:15 Chewbacca. wrote:Not true at all. Gretorp is normally pretty decent at analysis.
When it is pre-recorded, and they can go back and change what they say etc, then fair enough. but his casting ability is severely diminished by the fact that is unable to pick the right words he needs, and by mixing things up alot of the time. Thereby in your own head (mine at least) you are always correcting him.
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On January 20 2012 12:13 HuKPOWA wrote:
...did Demuslim practice at all? seemed like he just got stomped...
I think the community might have overrated Demuslim. Anyway, with Puma and Demuslim losing, I think it would be a miracle for EG to win now, considering Kas goes up against Machine.
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Ewww just realized this was bo1 format. Also wtfbbq EG on their selections.
go machine?
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Beastyqt is just better than demuslim. Shouldn't be a surprising outcome, really.
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On January 20 2012 12:18 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:13 HuKPOWA wrote:
...did Demuslim practice at all? seemed like he just got stomped... I think the community might have overrated Demuslim. Anyway, with Puma and Demuslim losing, I think it would be a miracle for EG to win now, considering Kas goes up against Machine.
-.- no one overestimates Demuslim; Beastyqt has really really good TvT
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On January 20 2012 12:17 aintz wrote:
uh how did puma lose to happy. happy was supply blocked at 19 for so long and i stopped watching.
Your loss then.... let's just say map was mined out and we saw a looot seeker missiles.
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On January 20 2012 12:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Who's Gretorp's co-caster? He ain't half-bad. I believe it's Firezerg Coach on Gosucoaching and a pretty decent player.
I wouldn't mind if Firezerg casted a bit more. He's pretty good at it.
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Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome.
And yes, gretorp is gretorp.
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everyone predicted Demuslim to win and it wasnt even close :/
and Machine for the last match? did they underestimate Empire or IdrA/Huk werent available?
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On January 20 2012 12:20 VirGin wrote:
Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome.
Zenio is the definition of mediocre Korean player. But I haven't seen great things out of Machine lately so it will probably go the same way.
On January 20 2012 12:21 TheSmartOne wrote:
everyone predicted Demuslim to win and it wasnt even close :/
and Machine for the last match? did they underestimate Empire or IdrA/Huk werent available?
I predicted Beastyqt to smash Demuslim. Beasty on quite the tear in TvT lately.
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On January 20 2012 12:20 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:14 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 20 2012 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Who's Gretorp's co-caster? He ain't half-bad. I believe it's Firezerg Coach on Gosucoaching and a pretty decent player. I wouldn't mind if Firezerg casted a bit more. He's pretty good at it.
I believe he was on coL for a bit, but yeah, he's a great caster
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On January 20 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:20 VirGin wrote:
Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome. Zenio is the definition of mediocre Korean player. But I haven't seen great things out of Machine lately so it will probably go the same way.
Yes, I don't disagree, but mediocre korean zerg > mediocre NA zerg.
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Machine is such a nice guy, I hope he will surprise us!
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On January 20 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:20 VirGin wrote:
Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome. Zenio is the definition of mediocre Korean player. But I haven't seen great things out of Machine lately so it will probably go the same way. Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:21 TheSmartOne wrote:
everyone predicted Demuslim to win and it wasnt even close :/
and Machine for the last match? did they underestimate Empire or IdrA/Huk werent available? I predicted Beastyqt to smash Demuslim. Beasty on quite the tear in TvT lately.
Mediocre? He's code S until he gets knocked out in code A and he has some of the best ZvZ in the world, I'm sorry if losing to Gumiho and MMA's TvZ doesn't meet up to your standards but really?
Kas has this in the bag, 20 drone kills before the first engage lol, if he does a +1 timing it should be game
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On January 20 2012 12:19 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:18 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:13 HuKPOWA wrote:
...did Demuslim practice at all? seemed like he just got stomped... I think the community might have overrated Demuslim. Anyway, with Puma and Demuslim losing, I think it would be a miracle for EG to win now, considering Kas goes up against Machine. -.- no one overestimates Demuslim; Beastyqt has really really good TvT
Yes, but a lot of people did overrate Demuslim, especially after his performance at MLG Raleigh and NASL Season 2. The guy is very good, but the community does tend to overrate players with strong personalities on major foreign teams like Liquid and EG. But yes, Beastyqt does have good TvT.
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Machine falling apart. Losing 20 drones, than taking far away 3rd because he didnt take out rocks.
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On January 20 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:20 VirGin wrote:
Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome. Zenio is the definition of mediocre Korean player. But I haven't seen great things out of Machine lately so it will probably go the same way. On January 20 2012 12:21 TheSmartOne wrote:
everyone predicted Demuslim to win and it wasnt even close :/
and Machine for the last match? did they underestimate Empire or IdrA/Huk werent available? I predicted Beastyqt to smash Demuslim. Beasty on quite the tear in TvT lately. Mediocre? He's code S until he gets knocked out in code A and he has some of the best ZvZ in the world, I'm sorry if losing to Gumiho and MMA's TvZ doesn't meet up to your standards but really? Kas has this in the bag, 20 drone kills before the first engage lol, if he does a +1 timing it should be game
Code S by luck. I could quote myself from the IEM thread on this if you want.
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bet EG wish they had axslav now
lmao
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On January 20 2012 12:25 00Visor wrote:
Machine falling apart. Losing 20 drones, than taking far away 3rd because he didnt take out rocks.
Well the 8 hellions means he can't really take the rocks out until he has mutas.
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nice to see terran get maxed at 15min
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On January 20 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:20 VirGin wrote:
Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome. Zenio is the definition of mediocre Korean player. But I haven't seen great things out of Machine lately so it will probably go the same way. On January 20 2012 12:21 TheSmartOne wrote:
everyone predicted Demuslim to win and it wasnt even close :/
and Machine for the last match? did they underestimate Empire or IdrA/Huk werent available? I predicted Beastyqt to smash Demuslim. Beasty on quite the tear in TvT lately. Mediocre? He's code S until he gets knocked out in code A and he has some of the best ZvZ in the world, I'm sorry if losing to Gumiho and MMA's TvZ doesn't meet up to your standards but really? Kas has this in the bag, 20 drone kills before the first engage lol, if he does a +1 timing it should be game
Korean elitism. Don't buy into it.
Missed the middle two games.
Im glad happy took out Puma, and he did it with epic fashion. If you missed it take it to the VODs. Mined out map, the definition of a macro map. Happy took it with better unit comp.
Missed 2 n 3 from dinner. Not sure how they went.
I don't see machine being able to take out Kas but we will see.
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On January 20 2012 12:26 FauvFauv wrote:
bet EG wish they had axslav now
lmao
Err why? HuK/Idra would have been a much better choice than Demu/Machine
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On January 20 2012 12:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:On January 20 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:20 VirGin wrote:
Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome. Zenio is the definition of mediocre Korean player. But I haven't seen great things out of Machine lately so it will probably go the same way. On January 20 2012 12:21 TheSmartOne wrote:
everyone predicted Demuslim to win and it wasnt even close :/
and Machine for the last match? did they underestimate Empire or IdrA/Huk werent available? I predicted Beastyqt to smash Demuslim. Beasty on quite the tear in TvT lately. Mediocre? He's code S until he gets knocked out in code A and he has some of the best ZvZ in the world, I'm sorry if losing to Gumiho and MMA's TvZ doesn't meet up to your standards but really? Kas has this in the bag, 20 drone kills before the first engage lol, if he does a +1 timing it should be game Code S by luck. I could quote myself from the IEM thread on this if you want.
Don't bother, nobody gets to code S by luck, he may not be the best there but don't sell him short. I'm far from a liquid fanboy but you can't discredit that achievement. He's in there, he deserves it.
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On January 20 2012 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:Err why? HuK/Idra would have been a much better choice than Demu/Machine
assuming they are unable to play since they are in korea
at least axslav wouldn't have just rolled over
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Wow kas 196 supply 15 minutes into the game. Amazing macro from Kas yet again.
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On January 20 2012 12:31 FauvFauv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On January 20 2012 12:26 FauvFauv wrote:
bet EG wish they had axslav now
lmao Err why? HuK/Idra would have been a much better choice than Demu/Machine assuming they are unable to play since they are in korea at least axslav wouldn't have just rolled over
Puma/JYP are in Korea too?
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On January 20 2012 12:31 FauvFauv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:29 1Eris1 wrote:On January 20 2012 12:26 FauvFauv wrote:
bet EG wish they had axslav now
lmao Err why? HuK/Idra would have been a much better choice than Demu/Machine assuming they are unable to play since they are in korea at least axslav wouldn't have just rolled over
Aren't JYP and Puma in Korea as well? :p
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Kas is becoming my favorite terran, such a good macro player. Poor machine.
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not very impressive performance from EG today :/
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what i meant was, maybe they had to play some games on korea or US and some in europe
i.e. they wouldn't play anyone in korea on a europe game, so they had to have someone in the US play it
if that makes sense...
edit: coherency
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On January 20 2012 12:29 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:On January 20 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:20 VirGin wrote:
Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome. Zenio is the definition of mediocre Korean player. But I haven't seen great things out of Machine lately so it will probably go the same way. On January 20 2012 12:21 TheSmartOne wrote:
everyone predicted Demuslim to win and it wasnt even close :/
and Machine for the last match? did they underestimate Empire or IdrA/Huk werent available? I predicted Beastyqt to smash Demuslim. Beasty on quite the tear in TvT lately. Mediocre? He's code S until he gets knocked out in code A and he has some of the best ZvZ in the world, I'm sorry if losing to Gumiho and MMA's TvZ doesn't meet up to your standards but really? Kas has this in the bag, 20 drone kills before the first engage lol, if he does a +1 timing it should be game Code S by luck. I could quote myself from the IEM thread on this if you want. Don't bother, nobody gets to code S by luck, he may not be the best there but don't sell him short. I'm far from a liquid fanboy but you can't discredit that achievement. He's in there, he deserves it.
- Beats Rex.Mujuk, an untested newcomer in Code A Ro48.
- Loses to MarineKing in Ro32.
- Goes into Up-and-Down group stage. Barely beats Losira. Beats Inca when Inca completely fails to do a competent wall-off. Beats Virus, the worst Code S terran of last season. Gets humiliated in a standard macro game by Polt.
His ZvZ is great. It's painful to watch his complete befuddlement in ZvP. Lately his ZvT has looked extremely weak as well. He's quite mediocre for a zerg who was in Code S this season.
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Gretorp's casting continues to improve. Keep up the good work Andre!
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Wow Empire dismantling EG pretty convincingly nice job. Empire terrans so good!
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kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh
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On January 20 2012 12:34 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:29 Badfatpanda wrote:On January 20 2012 12:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:On January 20 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:20 VirGin wrote:
Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome. Zenio is the definition of mediocre Korean player. But I haven't seen great things out of Machine lately so it will probably go the same way. On January 20 2012 12:21 TheSmartOne wrote:
everyone predicted Demuslim to win and it wasnt even close :/
and Machine for the last match? did they underestimate Empire or IdrA/Huk werent available? I predicted Beastyqt to smash Demuslim. Beasty on quite the tear in TvT lately. Mediocre? He's code S until he gets knocked out in code A and he has some of the best ZvZ in the world, I'm sorry if losing to Gumiho and MMA's TvZ doesn't meet up to your standards but really? Kas has this in the bag, 20 drone kills before the first engage lol, if he does a +1 timing it should be game Code S by luck. I could quote myself from the IEM thread on this if you want. Don't bother, nobody gets to code S by luck, he may not be the best there but don't sell him short. I'm far from a liquid fanboy but you can't discredit that achievement. He's in there, he deserves it. - Beats Rex.Mujuk, an untested newcomer in Code A Ro48. - Loses to MarineKing in Ro32. - Goes into Up-and-Down group stage. Barely beats Losira. Beats Inca when Inca completely fails to do a competent wall-off. Beats Virus, the worst Code S terran of last season. Gets humiliated in a standard macro game by Polt. His ZvZ is great. It's painful to watch his complete befuddlement in ZvP. Lately his ZvT has looked extremely weak as well. He's quite mediocre for a zerg who was in Code S this season.
Virus the worst Code S Terran? Did you watch Virus vs NesTea? Those games were absolutely incredible.
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On January 20 2012 12:36 TypeOne wrote:
kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh
I should not even reply to you, but I just have to come and say: If you are serious about your statement, then I pity your ignorance.
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IT is clearly that Mouz > Empire > EG and both Mouz and Empire only have foreigners.
and even if Idra and Huk had played, EG would still lose
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When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are )
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On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are )
Anyone? Let's not exaggerate or anything now guys...
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EU players are just so much better than NA noobs ( EG LOL)
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On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are )
He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level.
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On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level.
agian with the not code S or code A. HE DONT EVEN PLAYS IN THE FREAKING TOURNAMENT BECAUSE HE HAS A LIFE IN EU NOT IN KOREAN U IDIOT.
User was banned for this post.
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United States15275 Posts
On January 20 2012 12:38 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:34 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:29 Badfatpanda wrote:On January 20 2012 12:26 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:24 Badfatpanda wrote:On January 20 2012 12:21 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 20 2012 12:20 VirGin wrote:
Earlier today Kas demolished Zenio. This can only have one outcome. Zenio is the definition of mediocre Korean player. But I haven't seen great things out of Machine lately so it will probably go the same way. On January 20 2012 12:21 TheSmartOne wrote:
everyone predicted Demuslim to win and it wasnt even close :/
and Machine for the last match? did they underestimate Empire or IdrA/Huk werent available? I predicted Beastyqt to smash Demuslim. Beasty on quite the tear in TvT lately. Mediocre? He's code S until he gets knocked out in code A and he has some of the best ZvZ in the world, I'm sorry if losing to Gumiho and MMA's TvZ doesn't meet up to your standards but really? Kas has this in the bag, 20 drone kills before the first engage lol, if he does a +1 timing it should be game Code S by luck. I could quote myself from the IEM thread on this if you want. Don't bother, nobody gets to code S by luck, he may not be the best there but don't sell him short. I'm far from a liquid fanboy but you can't discredit that achievement. He's in there, he deserves it. - Beats Rex.Mujuk, an untested newcomer in Code A Ro48. - Loses to MarineKing in Ro32. - Goes into Up-and-Down group stage. Barely beats Losira. Beats Inca when Inca completely fails to do a competent wall-off. Beats Virus, the worst Code S terran of last season. Gets humiliated in a standard macro game by Polt. His ZvZ is great. It's painful to watch his complete befuddlement in ZvP. Lately his ZvT has looked extremely weak as well. He's quite mediocre for a zerg who was in Code S this season. Virus the worst Code S Terran? Did you watch Virus vs NesTea? Those games were absolutely incredible.
Did you watch his Up-and-Down games? They were vomit-worthy.
One series does not make a good player.
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On January 20 2012 12:53 ForlornHope wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. agian with the not code S or code A. HE DONT EVEN PLAYS IN THE FREAKING TOURNAMENT BECAUSE HE HAS A LIVE IN EU NOT IN KOREAN U IDIOT.
i would say Kas is probably one of the top foreign players always thought so but his just underrated SUPER underrated i think he would do good in code A but i dontk now about code S because of what happened to sen and idrA
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On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level.
You do know he demolished MKP at WCG?
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On January 20 2012 12:55 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:53 ForlornHope wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. agian with the not code S or code A. HE DONT EVEN PLAYS IN THE FREAKING TOURNAMENT BECAUSE HE HAS A LIVE IN EU NOT IN KOREAN U IDIOT. i would say Kas is probably one of the top foreign players always thought so but his just underrated SUPER underrated i think he would do good in code A but i dontk now about code S because of what happened to sen and idrA
Sen is good but not top tier compare to most EU player and Idra is best NA player but not foreigner ( Kas beat Idra 2 time they met recently) and he also got unlucky with 2 vZ match.
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On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level.
That code S level/Code A level statement is really kind of irrelevant in regards to foreigners, none of them are in Code S at the moment. The ones that were in Code S had free seeds which I don't really count as being in Code S until they maintain it for a season.
Korea is a whole different ball-game in general, because some Europeans and foreigners have no interest in devoting their time to participating in the GSL we have no real gauge aside from them occasionally taking games or sets off of Code S Koreans.
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On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG?
NA people just couldnt accept the fact that EU pro like yourself are just better than their noobs pro
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On January 20 2012 13:02 Za7oX wrote:
Why no IdrA vs Kas ? lol
cause Kas would have demolished him anyway
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On January 20 2012 12:59 ForlornHope wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:55 naux wrote:On January 20 2012 12:53 ForlornHope wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. agian with the not code S or code A. HE DONT EVEN PLAYS IN THE FREAKING TOURNAMENT BECAUSE HE HAS A LIVE IN EU NOT IN KOREAN U IDIOT. i would say Kas is probably one of the top foreign players always thought so but his just underrated SUPER underrated i think he would do good in code A but i dontk now about code S because of what happened to sen and idrA Sen is good but not top tier compare to most EU player and Idra is best NA player but not foreigner ( Kas beat Idra 2 time they met recently) and he also got unlucky with 2 vZ match.
mind telling me who are these top tier eu players that sen cant be compared to them?
and idra is not the best NA player.. its Huk
EDIT: + Show Spoiler +thank good god he was banned.
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On January 20 2012 13:05 ForlornHope wrote:cause Kas would have demolished him anyway
kas is good, but typical of ppl on TL to hype up a player so hard after a game.
Your hero kas would get demolished in code A.
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On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG?
Yes. Your teammate is good, top-tier foreign Terran, but honestly not Code S level. His win over MKP was a huge achievement, but still an upset. For the sake of the foreign scene, it would be nice if he could be playing evenly against players like MVP or MMA, but reality argues otherwise (at least for now). Still, Kas might face MMA at IEM this weekend, and Empire will face many Korean teams in the IPL TAC2.
Congrats on your win today and best of luck to you and your teammates in upcoming events. I stand by my belief that Kas is not (yet) GSL level, however, unless he can show he can consistently beat top-tier Koreans.
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On January 20 2012 12:53 ForlornHope wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. agian with the not code S or code A. HE DONT EVEN PLAYS IN THE FREAKING TOURNAMENT BECAUSE HE HAS A LIFE IN EU NOT IN KOREAN U IDIOT. User was banned for this post.
I lol'd. Nobody is saying he plays in Code S, what that guy is saying is that he feels that if he were to play in Code S, he would lose horribly. And that if he were to play in Code A, he'd probably still lose. I feel the same. He's a high level European player, but I don't think he's freakin' awesome yet. Hope he gets to be freakin' awesome though ^^
EG definitely taking Empire lightly here thinking that PuMa and JYP would be unbeatable. BO1s are unpredictable, and if you wana win, you gotta send in all of your big guns. I personally don't like this format at all, but w/e, a tournament is a tournament. Loss doesn't mean much, but still. w/e~
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Kas looks so tired in his picture T_T. Kas fighting~
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On January 20 2012 13:07 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:05 ForlornHope wrote:On January 20 2012 13:02 Za7oX wrote:
Why no IdrA vs Kas ? lol cause Kas would have demolished him anyway kas is good, but typical of ppl on TL to hype up a player so hard after a game. Your hero kas would get demolished in code A.
Umm... he destroyed a code-S zerg 2-0 earlier on today.
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This makes me so, so, so happy. Having a Team League format that is NOT the all-kill format makes StarCraft more fun to watch for me. I think that Team Leagues are more fun to watch than individual leagues regardless of the game you play, but all-kill formats often make it seem less like a team league and like it has a lot less strategy. Sure, you can snipe people in an all-kill format, but at the end of the day it generally comes down to who's  Final Boss is the strongest. Also, in SC2 all-kills have been too common I feel for it to really be that exciting. Reverse all-kills get me pumped, but they're so rare and take forever to the point that it's not worth it.
The Proleague format is so much more exciting because while having one undefeatable player is a great, having three really good players is even better. It rewards the teams that have a deeper line-up instead of allowing a single player to thrash the entire other team.
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On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG?
Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back.
Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me.
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United States15275 Posts
On January 20 2012 13:23 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG? Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back. Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me.
KR-EU lag. :D
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Also, why did IdrA and HuK not play? At first I figured that it probably had to do with the fact that they were in Korea, but JYP and PuMa managed to play, so I'm confused. If EG fields JYP, PuMa, IdrA, and HuK they'll be one of the scariest teams, but after those four the skill on their team really drops off. Demu is a fantastic player, but he still isn't at the caliber of the other EG players and I don't think that he would be nearly as consistent against the all-star line-ups that he'd have to face in this league.
EDIT: 1000th post Vulture hwaiting ^^
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On January 20 2012 13:13 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG? Yes. Your teammate is good, top-tier foreign Terran, but honestly not Code S level. His win over MKP was a huge achievement, but still an upset. For the sake of the foreign scene, it would be nice if he could be playing evenly against players like MVP or MMA, but reality argues otherwise (at least for now). Still, Kas might face MMA at IEM this weekend, and Empire will face many Korean teams in the IPL TAC2. Congrats on your win today and best of luck to you and your teammates in upcoming events. I stand by my belief that Kas is not (yet) GSL level, however, unless he can show he can consistently beat top-tier Koreans.
Im not saying he would win GSL and IPL wont show anything because Empire has more delay on NA server than any KR team playing on it, at LAN's Kas won Koreans lately and thats being discussed.
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On January 20 2012 13:26 The Final Boss wrote:
Also, why did IdrA and HuK not play? At first I figured that it probably had to do with the fact that they were in Korea, but JYP and PuMa managed to play, so I'm confused. If EG fields JYP, PuMa, IdrA, and HuK they'll be one of the scariest teams, but after those four the skill on their team really drops off. Demu is a fantastic player, but he still isn't at the caliber of the other EG players and I don't think that he would be nearly as consistent against the all-star line-ups that he'd have to face in this league.
I dunno, Demu has consistently destroyed good opposition before - I would definitely consider him more consistent than IdrA. I'm thinking last season of NASL where his only loss in season play was the walk over against hero. And that was over Sheth, White-Ra, Lowely, ect. A bit longer ago was his MLG Raleigh run over Trickster and Ret. I think he is up there with IdrA and HuK in the top foreign tier of EG.
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On January 20 2012 13:35 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:13 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG? Yes. Your teammate is good, top-tier foreign Terran, but honestly not Code S level. His win over MKP was a huge achievement, but still an upset. For the sake of the foreign scene, it would be nice if he could be playing evenly against players like MVP or MMA, but reality argues otherwise (at least for now). Still, Kas might face MMA at IEM this weekend, and Empire will face many Korean teams in the IPL TAC2. Congrats on your win today and best of luck to you and your teammates in upcoming events. I stand by my belief that Kas is not (yet) GSL level, however, unless he can show he can consistently beat top-tier Koreans. Im not saying he would win GSL and IPL wont show anything because Empire has more delay on NA server than any KR team playing on it, at LAN's Kas won Koreans lately and thats being discussed.
Yes, Kas has beaten top Koreans, both online and at LANs. I agree with you there and I believe that Kas is one of the foreign scene's best Terrans. Where I believe that you and I differ is whether or not Kas can beat Koreans consistently. Maybe he can, but there has not been enough games for us to know for certain.
After reading this thread and seeing him perform at IEM and tonight, however, I am curious about how well Kas would play in a tournament like the GSL. I do not think that he will be very successful, but I hope to be proven wrong. I would personally love to see Kas receive a GSL seed for the next season and play in the GSL.
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On January 20 2012 12:38 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:36 TypeOne wrote:
kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh I should not even reply to you, but I just have to come and say: If you are serious about your statement, then I pity your ignorance.
Don't know about #2 best terran, but definitely the best FOREIGNER terran atm in my book! His macro is amazingly good.
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On January 20 2012 14:02 gullberg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:38 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:36 TypeOne wrote:
kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh I should not even reply to you, but I just have to come and say: If you are serious about your statement, then I pity your ignorance. Don't know about #2 best terran, but definitely the best FOREIGNER terran atm in my book! His macro is amazingly good.
Now that's a statement that I can get behind. Kas and Thorzain are the two Terran powerhouses of the foreign scene. If only Kas could get an opportunity to compete in the GSL to show everyone how good he really is...
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On January 20 2012 13:02 Za7oX wrote:
Why no IdrA vs Kas ? lol
Idra's busy training for code A matches, he wants to stay in code A!!
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On January 20 2012 13:26 The Final Boss wrote:
Also, why did IdrA and HuK not play? At first I figured that it probably had to do with the fact that they were in Korea, but JYP and PuMa managed to play, so I'm confused. If EG fields JYP, PuMa, IdrA, and HuK they'll be one of the scariest teams, but after those four the skill on their team really drops off. Demu is a fantastic player, but he still isn't at the caliber of the other EG players and I don't think that he would be nearly as consistent against the all-star line-ups that he'd have to face in this league.
Agreed, there was really no reason for HuK and Idra not to play. What's the point of having them if you're never going to use them? GSL is nice but if other players can manage multiple tournaments/slash leagues why can't they?
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On January 20 2012 15:43 GunPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:26 The Final Boss wrote:
Also, why did IdrA and HuK not play? At first I figured that it probably had to do with the fact that they were in Korea, but JYP and PuMa managed to play, so I'm confused. If EG fields JYP, PuMa, IdrA, and HuK they'll be one of the scariest teams, but after those four the skill on their team really drops off. Demu is a fantastic player, but he still isn't at the caliber of the other EG players and I don't think that he would be nearly as consistent against the all-star line-ups that he'd have to face in this league. Agreed, there was really no reason for HuK and Idra not to play. What's the point of having them if you're never going to use them? GSL is nice but if other players can manage multiple tournaments/slash leagues why can't they?
Its not that they can't manage it its both of them HATE latency with a passion. Both of them have expressed no interest in playing when there is latency.
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Wow that was unexpected. GJ Empire. <3
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On January 20 2012 14:02 gullberg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:38 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:36 TypeOne wrote:
kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh I should not even reply to you, but I just have to come and say: If you are serious about your statement, then I pity your ignorance. Don't know about #2 best terran, but definitely the best FOREIGNER terran atm in my book! His macro is amazingly good.
I think this is a statement we can all stand behind, i will not go into code S caliber nonsense for we can only speculate.
Kas is a monster, i only hope he considers of going to korea for a while just to see if he can improve his game even more.
Totally forgot to congratulate Empire ! Grats guys well deserved win, i will look at the games later.
It does my heart good to see a all foreign team beat a foreign/korean team. You can buy talent, or you can train your own.
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Nice! GJ Empire! 
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Oh noes, I missed it. Well done Empire. Now for the next time you put Aristeo on the bench and let Welmu take care of business.
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Well done by Empire. Empire l8tly has really showed they got one of the best teams in the foreign scene. And Kas is leading the herde.
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On January 20 2012 12:38 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:36 TypeOne wrote:
kas is clearly nr 2 best Terran in the world after mvp tbh I should not even reply to you, but I just have to come and say: If you are serious about your statement, then I pity your ignorance.
Ofcourse is not true but his perfomance l8tly is so impressive 2-0 MKP at wcg and hammering everyone at IEM including Zenio that he made look like a silver player.
Kas is on beastmode atm and how fare he can take it is the quistion he has a practise monster so we will see
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On January 20 2012 13:07 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:05 ForlornHope wrote:On January 20 2012 13:02 Za7oX wrote:
Why no IdrA vs Kas ? lol cause Kas would have demolished him anyway kas is good, but typical of ppl on TL to hype up a player so hard after a game. Your hero kas would get demolished in code A.
Actually last 2 times Kas and Idra has meet Idra has been destroyed. Kas is outmacroing Idra everytime tbh
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Kas and Empire keep proving themselves, nice job
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On January 20 2012 05:22 falafelnr1 wrote:
3-1 Empire
ezpz
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EG is taking this seriously...
Puma, Jyp, Demusllim, Idra*... A strong line up versus Empire's terrans.
Lol... It's already over... And i was so hyped for EG lineup.
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United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On January 20 2012 13:23 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG? Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back. Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me. Send him to GSL. Go on, send him. Is Naniwa Code A? Is Morrow Code A? Is Haypro/ret/ any other foreigner Code A? Huk only got into Code S on a seed - and used the old system to his advantage to stay in Code S. To say any foreigner is Code S / Code A is a null statement. Korea's a hard place to compete - people prepare properly for a competition and every game is cutthroat
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On January 20 2012 21:07 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:23 Elyvilon wrote:On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG? Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back. Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me. Send him to GSL. Go on, send him. Is Naniwa Code A? Is Morrow Code A? Is Haypro/ret/ any other foreigner Code A? Huk only got into Code S on a seed - and used the old system to his advantage to stay in Code S. To say any foreigner is Code S / Code A is a null statement. Korea's a hard place to compete - people prepare properly for a competition and every game is cutthroat
Just because somebody isn't in Code A doesn't mean that they're not Code A level. You can only say that if someone fails to qualify for Code A for over a year of actively trying.
Based on the level of gameplay shown, there is little difference in skill between top foreign players and less accomplished Code A players. There is a lot more that goes into it, of course, but flying in a few days before a Code A match and lack of proper preparation certainly doesn't help. But to claim that they can not play on that level is simply false, because it is very much obvious that they can.
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Slightly offtopic, but is KAS streaming these days? Don't seem to catch him on lately. He has great commentary.
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On January 20 2012 21:07 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:23 Elyvilon wrote:On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG? Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back. Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me. Send him to GSL. Go on, send him. Is Naniwa Code A? Is Morrow Code A? Is Haypro/ret/ any other foreigner Code A? Huk only got into Code S on a seed - and used the old system to his advantage to stay in Code S. To say any foreigner is Code S / Code A is a null statement. Korea's a hard place to compete - people prepare properly for a competition and every game is cutthroat
Huk got a Code A seed and fought his way into Code S. So saying Huk was on Code S level 2 seasons ago is true. (and I'm a Huk antifan )
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On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level.
u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this?  you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions).
bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic.
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On January 20 2012 21:07 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 13:23 Elyvilon wrote:On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG? Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back. Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me. Send him to GSL. Go on, send him. Is Naniwa Code A? Is Morrow Code A? Is Haypro/ret/ any other foreigner Code A? Huk only got into Code S on a seed - and used the old system to his advantage to stay in Code S. To say any foreigner is Code S / Code A is a null statement. Korea's a hard place to compete - people prepare properly for a competition and every game is cutthroat
Implying that Kas isn't better than Morrow, Ret and Haypro. Okay.
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On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic.
Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement
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On January 20 2012 21:42 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 21:07 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On January 20 2012 13:23 Elyvilon wrote:On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG? Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back. Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me. Send him to GSL. Go on, send him. Is Naniwa Code A? Is Morrow Code A? Is Haypro/ret/ any other foreigner Code A? Huk only got into Code S on a seed - and used the old system to his advantage to stay in Code S. To say any foreigner is Code S / Code A is a null statement. Korea's a hard place to compete - people prepare properly for a competition and every game is cutthroat Huk got a Code A seed and fought his way into Code S. So saying Huk was on Code S level 2 seasons ago is true. (and I'm a Huk antifan )
He rode the easiest matches possible after his free Code A spot and was promptly knocked back into Code A. No foreigner is Code A level. GSL is so much more skilled now than it was 1 year ago.
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Called Empire winning 3-2 but 3-1 is okay :D
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On January 20 2012 23:05 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 21:42 Neelia wrote:On January 20 2012 21:07 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On January 20 2012 13:23 Elyvilon wrote:On January 20 2012 12:59 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. You do know he demolished MKP at WCG? Also he beat Polt 3-2 a month back. Saying Kas isn't code A level seems very off to me. Send him to GSL. Go on, send him. Is Naniwa Code A? Is Morrow Code A? Is Haypro/ret/ any other foreigner Code A? Huk only got into Code S on a seed - and used the old system to his advantage to stay in Code S. To say any foreigner is Code S / Code A is a null statement. Korea's a hard place to compete - people prepare properly for a competition and every game is cutthroat Huk got a Code A seed and fought his way into Code S. So saying Huk was on Code S level 2 seasons ago is true. (and I'm a Huk antifan ) He rode the easiest matches possible after his free Code A spot and was promptly knocked back into Code A. No foreigner is Code A level. GSL is so much more skilled now than it was 1 year ago.
So Kas has beaten MKP and Zenio at offline tournaments and has never lost to a korean, who is not MVP. But he still isn´t What does he have to do, to make you believe, he is? His games vs Zenio (Code-S) looked as one-sided as the games from MC against Ciara at TSL3. Naniwa also has beaten guys like Nestea, MVp, DRG, MC. He should be CodeS or atleast Code-A-level as well, it just seems, that he has a mental blockade at GSL.
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I feel like everytime its eg v empire, theres always a puma vs happy game :D
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Wow, Empire lookin' really strong. I was pretty surprised that Puma went down, although Happy's damn good. It's too bad IdrA and HuK weren't fielded to make the series more competitive! Machine playing makes me kinda happy though ^^ He doesn't get much limelight... I'd like to see him show off some skill more often (except maybe not when EG is about to lose the series )
Congratulations to Empire!
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On January 20 2012 22:36 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement
but he can oO
hes the best foreign terran without any doubt (whoever says differently simply didnt follow sc2 in europe for a year), yes, he can take out anyone, although his chances vs code S players are obviously not high - just as for any other foreigner.
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GSL is always home soil for koreans and they are more used to that
Kas absolutely destroyed zenio at kiev
maybe he wouldnt do so in the GSL studio, but still he is at least on zenios level if not above and as far as my information goes zenio is code S level
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loved the first game. seeker missles, battlecruiser, nukes.
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On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic.
Context, my friend, context. If I had just dropped this statement out of nowhere, it would have been a stupid immature thing to say. But I made this comment in response to someone saying that kas can beat anybody in the world. I just decided to give a counter example to that claim, which I felt was false.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that kas is a top foreign Terran, but not a MVP MMA level terran (yet). I also felt that empire's win was well won. This has nothing to do with supporting eg or empire, it is about responding to someone overhyping kas.
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On January 21 2012 00:38 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:36 1Eris1 wrote:On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement but he can oO hes the best foreign terran without any doubt (whoever says differently simply didnt follow sc2 in europe for a year), yes, he can take out anyone, although his chances vs code S players are obviously not high - just as for any other foreigner.
It's the sweeping generalizations and arrogance that make statements like these so ridiculous.
Is Kas really good? Yes.
Is he one of the best Terran foreigners? Absolutely.
Is he hands down, 100%, without a doubt, can be proven, the absolute best Terran foreigner and anyone who thinks otherwise is batshit crazy?
Well, Thorzain and Jinro and DeMuslim and qxc and Fenix and a whole shitload of other Terran players are pretty damn good too. And we could argue back and forth over who's currently the best, who has more achievements (and which ones are more noteworthy), who has been doing better for longer, and plenty of other things.
But it's just plain ignorant to claim that a single Terran foreigner stands out far-and-away from the rest of the pack (to the point of ridicule), in the same way we can point to MVP's achievements and say that he's clearly the #1 player in SC2 history at the moment.
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wow gratz to empire
was really really expecting EG to take this
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On January 20 2012 22:36 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement
so one bo3 proves that kas can't beat anybody? i guess then every player who ever played a bo3 against anyone and didn't win proves that they can't win against that player. i'm calm but this was simply a very dumb statement. noone was saying kas is top korean level but he's proven that he can consistently take games off code S players in tvt (he took 3 games off ganzi, beat mkp 2-0, he almost beat ryung a while ago, it was really close).
not to mention that it would have been logical if he mentions a lower tier player to support his argument. if you lose to a lower league player that's showing something. if you lose to the best player in the world that's not really something to be ashamed of. MVP would've 2-0'd everyone in team EG with one hand tied behind his back.
i'm not even fan of any player. but making excuses/trying to belittle the winner's skill/etc hurts my eyes, and somehow EG fans do this more often than others.
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Nice job by Happy, wasn't expecting him to beat Puma.
Empire and Mouz just seem to be one step above the rest of the foreign teams in team games.
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Why not All-Kill format? It's so much more fun to watch.
I'm really sad that EG didn't bring Incontrol, Huk or Idra.
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On January 21 2012 01:22 ViRii wrote:
Why not All-Kill format? It's so much more fun to watch.
I'm really sad that EG didn't bring Incontrol, Huk or Idra.
It's a nice way to distinguish yourself as a team league, because all the other big leagues already use all-kill format, so it keeps the proleague format alive and reminds the community that there still are other formats that can be used in leagues.
Also, it adds an interesting dynamic due to the way the matchups are determined with player choices being submitted beforehand, adds more mindgames and partly removes the ability to specifically prepare a player to snipe someone (if you don't get lucky or mindgame perfectly with the player choices for the maps.
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hmm I missed this somehow...
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GRATZ, Empire!
p.s. lol'd @ predictions
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On January 21 2012 00:57 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Context, my friend, context. If I had just dropped this statement out of nowhere, it would have been a stupid immature thing to say. But I made this comment in response to someone saying that kas can beat anybody in the world. I just decided to give a counter example to that claim, which I felt was false. Don't get me wrong, I believe that kas is a top foreign Terran, but not a MVP MMA level terran (yet). I also felt that empire's win was well won. This has nothing to do with supporting eg or empire, it is about responding to someone overhyping kas.
well i can understand why u wrote it, i read through the thread and someone wrote Kas is the 2nd best terran in the world which is silly obviously. but he certainly can compete with the best tvters in the world, and take games off them, he proved this imo. that said he probably wouldn't win the gsl if he went to korea for the next season.
not being on MMA's on MVP's level is a condition shared by basically everyone except MMA and MVP so i wouldn't read much into that statement but i couldn't really say a better foreigner terran right now. he even wins vs Mana and Stephano regularly who are probably the best players of their races outside of korea and beat koreans in regular fashion. i'd love to see him play against higher tier korean players more often.
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Kas isn't very good. He's decent. Him beating Machine proves nothing.
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On January 21 2012 01:06 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2012 22:36 1Eris1 wrote:On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement so one bo3 proves that kas can't beat anybody? i guess then every player who ever played a bo3 against anyone and didn't win proves that they can't win against that player. i'm calm but this was simply a very dumb statement. noone was saying kas is top korean level but he's proven that he can consistently take games off code S players in tvt (he took 3 games off ganzi, beat mkp 2-0, he almost beat ryung a while ago, it was really close). not to mention that it would have been logical if he mentions a lower tier player to support his argument. if you lose to a lower league player that's showing something. if you lose to the best player in the world that's not really something to be ashamed of. MVP would've 2-0'd everyone in team EG with one hand tied behind his back. i'm not even fan of any player. but making excuses/trying to belittle the winner's skill/etc hurts my eyes, and somehow EG fans do this more often than others.
If I can't use the series against MVP you can't use the one vs mkp, see how that works? Fact remains kas is one of the top foreigners, but nearly all the foreigners have flopped out of the gsl, so we can't really say what kas will do in Korea until he actually goes there
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On January 21 2012 03:12 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 01:06 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 22:36 1Eris1 wrote:On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement so one bo3 proves that kas can't beat anybody? i guess then every player who ever played a bo3 against anyone and didn't win proves that they can't win against that player. i'm calm but this was simply a very dumb statement. noone was saying kas is top korean level but he's proven that he can consistently take games off code S players in tvt (he took 3 games off ganzi, beat mkp 2-0, he almost beat ryung a while ago, it was really close). not to mention that it would have been logical if he mentions a lower tier player to support his argument. if you lose to a lower league player that's showing something. if you lose to the best player in the world that's not really something to be ashamed of. MVP would've 2-0'd everyone in team EG with one hand tied behind his back. i'm not even fan of any player. but making excuses/trying to belittle the winner's skill/etc hurts my eyes, and somehow EG fans do this more often than others. If I can't use the series against MVP you can't use the one vs mkp, see how that works? Fact remains kas is one of the top foreigners, but nearly all the foreigners have flopped out of the gsl, so we can't really say what kas will do in Korea until he actually goes there
i wouldn't argue with your last statement- however you didn't really get what i'm saying it seems. my point is that losing to a great korean player is no shame. MVP is the best of the best. but it wouldn't even be a shame to lose to MKP, since he is really good too, top5 korean terran arguably.
so after this, what happens if kas beats MKP, if losing to him is no shame? that's right, it's an awesome performance. all i wanted to say that Kas lost to the undisputed best player in the world in his best mathup which is no shame, and he beat MKP which is cool. he's proven that he can play up to the level of korean terrans in tvt. MVP is MVP, i don't think any foreigner would beat him in a bo3.
so i don't really get how you derived "if losing to MVP doesn't matter than winning over MKP doesn't matter either". that's like putting an equation mark between Kas' last three series vs koreans where he beat 2 out of 3 and idra's last three where he lost to all three of them, and i no way was trying to say anything like that.
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On January 21 2012 03:05 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 00:57 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Context, my friend, context. If I had just dropped this statement out of nowhere, it would have been a stupid immature thing to say. But I made this comment in response to someone saying that kas can beat anybody in the world. I just decided to give a counter example to that claim, which I felt was false. Don't get me wrong, I believe that kas is a top foreign Terran, but not a MVP MMA level terran (yet). I also felt that empire's win was well won. This has nothing to do with supporting eg or empire, it is about responding to someone overhyping kas. well i can understand why u wrote it, i read through the thread and someone wrote Kas is the 2nd best terran in the world which is silly obviously. but he certainly can compete with the best tvters in the world, and take games off them, he proved this imo. that said he probably wouldn't win the gsl if he went to korea for the next season. not being on MMA's on MVP's level is a condition shared by basically everyone except MMA and MVP so i wouldn't read much into that statement but i couldn't really say a better foreigner terran right now. he even wins vs Mana and Stephano regularly who are probably the best players of their races outside of korea and beat koreans in regular fashion. i'd love to see him play against higher tier korean players more often.
Well, I am glad that we can reach an agreement in some areas:
1. We both feel that Kas is a top foreign Terran
2. Saying that Kas is the world's 2nd best Terran is vast overhyping of his abilities
3. It was be awesome of Kas played in the GSL next season.
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On January 21 2012 03:20 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 03:12 1Eris1 wrote:On January 21 2012 01:06 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 22:36 1Eris1 wrote:On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement so one bo3 proves that kas can't beat anybody? i guess then every player who ever played a bo3 against anyone and didn't win proves that they can't win against that player. i'm calm but this was simply a very dumb statement. noone was saying kas is top korean level but he's proven that he can consistently take games off code S players in tvt (he took 3 games off ganzi, beat mkp 2-0, he almost beat ryung a while ago, it was really close). not to mention that it would have been logical if he mentions a lower tier player to support his argument. if you lose to a lower league player that's showing something. if you lose to the best player in the world that's not really something to be ashamed of. MVP would've 2-0'd everyone in team EG with one hand tied behind his back. i'm not even fan of any player. but making excuses/trying to belittle the winner's skill/etc hurts my eyes, and somehow EG fans do this more often than others. If I can't use the series against MVP you can't use the one vs mkp, see how that works? Fact remains kas is one of the top foreigners, but nearly all the foreigners have flopped out of the gsl, so we can't really say what kas will do in Korea until he actually goes there i wouldn't argue with your last statement- however you didn't really get what i'm saying it seems. my point is that losing to a great korean player is no shame. MVP is the best of the best. but it wouldn't even be a shame to lose to MKP, since he is really good too, top5 korean terran arguably. so after this, what happens if kas beats MKP, if losing to him is no shame? that's right, it's an awesome performance. all i wanted to say that Kas lost to the undisputed best player in the world in his best mathup which is no shame, and he beat MKP which is cool. he's proven that he can play up to the level of korean terrans in tvt. MVP is MVP, i don't think any foreigner would beat him in a bo3. so i don't really get how you derived "if losing to MVP doesn't matter than winning over MKP doesn't matter either". that's like putting an equation mark between Kas' last three series vs koreans where he beat 2 out of 3 and idra's last three where he lost to all three of them, and i no way was trying to say anything like that.
Ahh you misunderstand. I was originally responding to a guy who claimed kas could bet anybody in the world which is why I talked about the MVP series. And my point with mkp is just because kas beat him once, says only that kas is capable of competing with Koreans, not that he is necessarily better/ as good as them. Sorry it's hard to articulate when typing from a phone
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On January 21 2012 03:28 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 03:20 msjakofsky wrote:On January 21 2012 03:12 1Eris1 wrote:On January 21 2012 01:06 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 22:36 1Eris1 wrote:On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement so one bo3 proves that kas can't beat anybody? i guess then every player who ever played a bo3 against anyone and didn't win proves that they can't win against that player. i'm calm but this was simply a very dumb statement. noone was saying kas is top korean level but he's proven that he can consistently take games off code S players in tvt (he took 3 games off ganzi, beat mkp 2-0, he almost beat ryung a while ago, it was really close). not to mention that it would have been logical if he mentions a lower tier player to support his argument. if you lose to a lower league player that's showing something. if you lose to the best player in the world that's not really something to be ashamed of. MVP would've 2-0'd everyone in team EG with one hand tied behind his back. i'm not even fan of any player. but making excuses/trying to belittle the winner's skill/etc hurts my eyes, and somehow EG fans do this more often than others. If I can't use the series against MVP you can't use the one vs mkp, see how that works? Fact remains kas is one of the top foreigners, but nearly all the foreigners have flopped out of the gsl, so we can't really say what kas will do in Korea until he actually goes there i wouldn't argue with your last statement- however you didn't really get what i'm saying it seems. my point is that losing to a great korean player is no shame. MVP is the best of the best. but it wouldn't even be a shame to lose to MKP, since he is really good too, top5 korean terran arguably. so after this, what happens if kas beats MKP, if losing to him is no shame? that's right, it's an awesome performance. all i wanted to say that Kas lost to the undisputed best player in the world in his best mathup which is no shame, and he beat MKP which is cool. he's proven that he can play up to the level of korean terrans in tvt. MVP is MVP, i don't think any foreigner would beat him in a bo3. so i don't really get how you derived "if losing to MVP doesn't matter than winning over MKP doesn't matter either". that's like putting an equation mark between Kas' last three series vs koreans where he beat 2 out of 3 and idra's last three where he lost to all three of them, and i no way was trying to say anything like that. Ahh you misunderstand. I was originally responding to a guy who claimed kas could bet anybody in the world which is why I talked about the MVP series. And my point with mkp is just because kas beat him once, says only that kas is capable of competing with Koreans, not that he is necessarily better/ as good as them. Sorry it's hard to articulate when typing from a phone
hmm yea right i understood that guy as "kas can take games off anyone" which i feel is true, but ofc he couldn't beat everyone consistently. agree with everything
only thing i'd like to add that while i don't consider myself a fan i like kas ever since he destroyed Nada in tsl3 (lag or no lag), and i feel satisfied when he shows his skills by beating korean players, and i hate it when someone tries to belittle those achievements, cuz we're still in a state of skill levels where in most foreigner tourneys the invited koreans wins, so i feel like our "heroes" like gatored, stephano, kas etc don't really get the recognition they need.
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On January 21 2012 03:41 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 03:28 1Eris1 wrote:On January 21 2012 03:20 msjakofsky wrote:On January 21 2012 03:12 1Eris1 wrote:On January 21 2012 01:06 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 22:36 1Eris1 wrote:On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement so one bo3 proves that kas can't beat anybody? i guess then every player who ever played a bo3 against anyone and didn't win proves that they can't win against that player. i'm calm but this was simply a very dumb statement. noone was saying kas is top korean level but he's proven that he can consistently take games off code S players in tvt (he took 3 games off ganzi, beat mkp 2-0, he almost beat ryung a while ago, it was really close). not to mention that it would have been logical if he mentions a lower tier player to support his argument. if you lose to a lower league player that's showing something. if you lose to the best player in the world that's not really something to be ashamed of. MVP would've 2-0'd everyone in team EG with one hand tied behind his back. i'm not even fan of any player. but making excuses/trying to belittle the winner's skill/etc hurts my eyes, and somehow EG fans do this more often than others. If I can't use the series against MVP you can't use the one vs mkp, see how that works? Fact remains kas is one of the top foreigners, but nearly all the foreigners have flopped out of the gsl, so we can't really say what kas will do in Korea until he actually goes there i wouldn't argue with your last statement- however you didn't really get what i'm saying it seems. my point is that losing to a great korean player is no shame. MVP is the best of the best. but it wouldn't even be a shame to lose to MKP, since he is really good too, top5 korean terran arguably. so after this, what happens if kas beats MKP, if losing to him is no shame? that's right, it's an awesome performance. all i wanted to say that Kas lost to the undisputed best player in the world in his best mathup which is no shame, and he beat MKP which is cool. he's proven that he can play up to the level of korean terrans in tvt. MVP is MVP, i don't think any foreigner would beat him in a bo3. so i don't really get how you derived "if losing to MVP doesn't matter than winning over MKP doesn't matter either". that's like putting an equation mark between Kas' last three series vs koreans where he beat 2 out of 3 and idra's last three where he lost to all three of them, and i no way was trying to say anything like that. Ahh you misunderstand. I was originally responding to a guy who claimed kas could bet anybody in the world which is why I talked about the MVP series. And my point with mkp is just because kas beat him once, says only that kas is capable of competing with Koreans, not that he is necessarily better/ as good as them. Sorry it's hard to articulate when typing from a phone hmm yea right i understood that guy as "kas can take games off anyone" which i feel is true, but ofc he couldn't beat everyone consistently. agree with everything only thing i'd like to add that while i don't consider myself a fan i like kas ever since he destroyed Nada in tsl3 (lag or no lag), and i feel satisfied when he shows his skills by beating korean players, and i hate it when someone tries to belittle those achievements, cuz we're still in a state of skill levels where in most foreigner tourneys the invited koreans wins, so i feel like our "heroes" like gatored, stephano, kas etc don't really get the recognition they need.
Hmm I agree with you except that you listed Stephano under unappreciated Players. Literally like a good fifteen percent of TL thinks the kid is the best player in the world.
Not just best foreigner but best in the world
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Well that was a crazy match O.O
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Impressive results tbh. missed the matches <3
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On January 21 2012 01:22 ViRii wrote:
Why not All-Kill format? It's so much more fun to watch.
I'm really sad that EG didn't bring Incontrol, Huk or Idra.
Why is incontrol in the same sentence as huk or idra?...
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that last game was just brutal
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GW Empire! I am glad You are showing what You are capable of.
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@NASL fyi Tal'Darim (Kas vs Machine) is not in your map pool.
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Kas is a beast, wp Empire!
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On January 21 2012 01:22 ViRii wrote:
Why not All-Kill format? It's so much more fun to watch.
I'm really sad that EG didn't bring Incontrol, Huk or Idra.
Proleague format always makes it seem more team oriented. Having one godlike player isn't nearly as helpful as having three strong players. A deeper line-up is better then a single good player. It's a nice change from the all-kill format.
On January 21 2012 03:10 SC2NeCro wrote:
Kas isn't very good. He's decent. Him beating Machine proves nothing.
I disagree with all the people saying that Kas is the "best foreign Terran" as I think that's a bit too ambiguous to really state, but at the very least he's certainly one of the best. But that statement is ridiculous. How can you honestly believe that he isn't good?
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On January 21 2012 03:10 SC2NeCro wrote:
Kas isn't very good. He's decent. Him beating Machine proves nothing.
Decent? You do know he has been wrecking the EU ladder and EU tournaments for the past months right? Beside that he got 3rd at WCG where he stompede MKP 2-0 now he just got first in his group at IEM where he stompede Zenio a code S player.
Decent you say? hmm ok
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On January 21 2012 03:59 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 03:41 msjakofsky wrote:On January 21 2012 03:28 1Eris1 wrote:On January 21 2012 03:20 msjakofsky wrote:On January 21 2012 03:12 1Eris1 wrote:On January 21 2012 01:06 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 22:36 1Eris1 wrote:On January 20 2012 22:26 msjakofsky wrote:On January 20 2012 12:49 Bagration wrote:On January 20 2012 12:41 TypeOne wrote:When kas plays his best lol he can beat anyone seems you know nothing how good EU players are ) He sure looked brilliant against MVP at WCG. Kas is good, top foreign Terran perhaps, but he not Code S level, probably not even Code A level. u realize this was probably the stupidest comment ever written? you trying to rub in that kas lost to mvp? what are you trying to imply with this? you want a list about the people who lost to mvp? that's basically everyone he ever played against (few exceptions). bitter EG fanboys are priceless. your team got its ass kicked, deal with it. trying to belittle kas' skill is pathetic. Calm down dude, he was just pointing out that kas can beat anybody is a dumb statement so one bo3 proves that kas can't beat anybody? i guess then every player who ever played a bo3 against anyone and didn't win proves that they can't win against that player. i'm calm but this was simply a very dumb statement. noone was saying kas is top korean level but he's proven that he can consistently take games off code S players in tvt (he took 3 games off ganzi, beat mkp 2-0, he almost beat ryung a while ago, it was really close). not to mention that it would have been logical if he mentions a lower tier player to support his argument. if you lose to a lower league player that's showing something. if you lose to the best player in the world that's not really something to be ashamed of. MVP would've 2-0'd everyone in team EG with one hand tied behind his back. i'm not even fan of any player. but making excuses/trying to belittle the winner's skill/etc hurts my eyes, and somehow EG fans do this more often than others. If I can't use the series against MVP you can't use the one vs mkp, see how that works? Fact remains kas is one of the top foreigners, but nearly all the foreigners have flopped out of the gsl, so we can't really say what kas will do in Korea until he actually goes there i wouldn't argue with your last statement- however you didn't really get what i'm saying it seems. my point is that losing to a great korean player is no shame. MVP is the best of the best. but it wouldn't even be a shame to lose to MKP, since he is really good too, top5 korean terran arguably. so after this, what happens if kas beats MKP, if losing to him is no shame? that's right, it's an awesome performance. all i wanted to say that Kas lost to the undisputed best player in the world in his best mathup which is no shame, and he beat MKP which is cool. he's proven that he can play up to the level of korean terrans in tvt. MVP is MVP, i don't think any foreigner would beat him in a bo3. so i don't really get how you derived "if losing to MVP doesn't matter than winning over MKP doesn't matter either". that's like putting an equation mark between Kas' last three series vs koreans where he beat 2 out of 3 and idra's last three where he lost to all three of them, and i no way was trying to say anything like that. Ahh you misunderstand. I was originally responding to a guy who claimed kas could bet anybody in the world which is why I talked about the MVP series. And my point with mkp is just because kas beat him once, says only that kas is capable of competing with Koreans, not that he is necessarily better/ as good as them. Sorry it's hard to articulate when typing from a phone hmm yea right i understood that guy as "kas can take games off anyone" which i feel is true, but ofc he couldn't beat everyone consistently. agree with everything only thing i'd like to add that while i don't consider myself a fan i like kas ever since he destroyed Nada in tsl3 (lag or no lag), and i feel satisfied when he shows his skills by beating korean players, and i hate it when someone tries to belittle those achievements, cuz we're still in a state of skill levels where in most foreigner tourneys the invited koreans wins, so i feel like our "heroes" like gatored, stephano, kas etc don't really get the recognition they need. Hmm I agree with you except that you listed Stephano under unappreciated Players. Literally like a good fifteen percent of TL thinks the kid is the best player in the world. Not just best foreigner but best in the world
No we dont 1Eris1 like allways you just spouting crap. All that Stephano hate must be painfull for you buddy. May I suggest a cookie an a hug?
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On January 21 2012 03:10 SC2NeCro wrote:
Kas isn't very good. He's decent. Him beating Machine proves nothing.
lol
kas is ez best terran in EU which means that he's also best foreign terran that means hes really good
i suggest looking at tlpd and you'll see: WOW he's 1st.... what could that possibly mean?
WP Empire WP
even with the koreans in there...
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