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On January 18 2012 19:09 MasterKang wrote:
Btw Brown would have destroyed almost any other terran. He definitely has the talent to get to round of 4 or even finals
Hyperbole? Giving Brown way to much credit for the games shown. We've only seen him in action CodeS for 3 games, and you already claim that? I'm sorry, but without the proof/history to back up that statement, i had to chuckle. His "talent" as you so put it is at this point only your opinion, and it is of your opinion he's Round of 4 talent.
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Holy shit, GSL improved so much since I've watched it last time. Overlays and improved free quality so good
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C'mon MKP, play standard and don't make moronic decisions and you got this!
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On January 18 2012 19:04 mvtaylor wrote:Nexus in main dead Nexus at natural about to die to army Buildings in main about to die to drop Army only large enough to save natural nexus or buildings in main gg
Yeah, but his main nexus was almost up again, anyway, he botched the game anyway :/
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I spent the whole match thinking about how aLive was going to beat Brown and when he did I was really happy that I predicted right. But then I looked at my liquibet and I chose Brown  (((
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On January 18 2012 19:10 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 19:08 Fionn wrote:On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win Seriously? The map did not matter. The match-up didn't matter. Brown WON THAT GAME. He won. He had two bases and was about to get into higher tech with an extra base against an all-inning Terran who just lost half his army. Brown, for whatever reason, took his army and left his bases wide open to check on Alive's base for some reason. It's like LegalMind took over Brown's body. Okay, just to clear up confusion in this thread: Brown thought it was probably a 1-1-1 or some similar all in. In this scenario, as a Protoss you have to have your army near their base, control both watchtowers, and chip away/slow down their army with FFs and forcing them to siege/whatever you can do to buy time to get Collosi out. Brown was doing everything right. His army was supposed to be out there. He just didn't have a Pylon on the right side(most protoss do this) and/or an observer to scout for drops.
He saw Marauders guess what in most cases it is not when the Terran builds Marauders , a 1-1-1 . And when he does as a followup to a 2 Rax he had to do damage before the 1-1-1 would've hit or the 1-1-1 woudln't be that strong. There was no reason to move that far away from his base with his whole army.
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My heart says MKP but my head says happy
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It's the MVP Marauder Rush.
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On January 18 2012 19:08 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win Seriously? The map did not matter. The match-up didn't matter. Brown WON THAT GAME. He won. He had two bases and was about to get into higher tech with an extra base against an all-inning Terran who just lost half his army. Brown, for whatever reason, took his army and left his bases wide open to check on Alive's base for some reason. It's like LegalMind took over Brown's body.
I feel like balance whine blinds people to actually watching the game and seeing what happened. Like you and several others have said it should have been an easy win.
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Game One on antiga shipyard
In the bottom left is  Happy
While in the top right is MKP
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On January 18 2012 19:13 Haydin wrote:My heart says MKP but my head says happy
Same here but heart > head! GO MKP!
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On January 18 2012 19:13 Drazerk wrote:Game One on antiga shipyard In the bottom left is Happy While in the top right is MKP
2:10
Gas and a proxy rax for happy
one rax for mkp
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On January 18 2012 19:10 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 19:08 Fionn wrote:On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win Seriously? The map did not matter. The match-up didn't matter. Brown WON THAT GAME. He won. He had two bases and was about to get into higher tech with an extra base against an all-inning Terran who just lost half his army. Brown, for whatever reason, took his army and left his bases wide open to check on Alive's base for some reason. It's like LegalMind took over Brown's body. Okay, just to clear up confusion in this thread: Brown thought it was probably a 1-1-1 or some similar all in. In this scenario, as a Protoss you have to have your army near their base, control both watchtowers, and chip away/slow down their army with FFs and forcing them to siege/whatever you can do to buy time to get Collosi out. Brown was doing everything right. His army was supposed to be out there. He just didn't have a Pylon on the right side(most protoss do this) and/or an observer to scout for drops.
He obs-scouted the base. He saw both marines and marauders, 2-barracks and no tanks. No way that is a 1-1-1. If he thought a 1-1-1 was coming, he deserved to lose.
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On January 18 2012 19:10 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 19:08 Fionn wrote:On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win Seriously? The map did not matter. The match-up didn't matter. Brown WON THAT GAME. He won. He had two bases and was about to get into higher tech with an extra base against an all-inning Terran who just lost half his army. Brown, for whatever reason, took his army and left his bases wide open to check on Alive's base for some reason. It's like LegalMind took over Brown's body. Okay, just to clear up confusion in this thread: Brown thought it was probably a 1-1-1 or some similar all in. In this scenario, as a Protoss you have to have your army near their base, control both watchtowers, and chip away/slow down their army with FFs and forcing them to siege/whatever you can do to buy time to get Collosi out. Brown was doing everything right. His army was supposed to be out there. He just didn't have a Pylon on the right side(most protoss do this) and/or an observer to scout for drops.
Doesn't the fact that he saw marauders in alive's army make it quite clear that it wasn't a 1/1/1 or marine tank?
As such, he should have stayed at home, and reactively moved to pick units off if he'd seen a marine tank or whatever coming as a follow up, after sending a probe or a zealot to scout the front/hold the towers.
Edit; oh yeah, he had an obs too.
It was just atrocious decision making.
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On January 18 2012 19:12 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 19:10 Kiyo. wrote:On January 18 2012 19:08 Fionn wrote:On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win Seriously? The map did not matter. The match-up didn't matter. Brown WON THAT GAME. He won. He had two bases and was about to get into higher tech with an extra base against an all-inning Terran who just lost half his army. Brown, for whatever reason, took his army and left his bases wide open to check on Alive's base for some reason. It's like LegalMind took over Brown's body. Okay, just to clear up confusion in this thread: Brown thought it was probably a 1-1-1 or some similar all in. In this scenario, as a Protoss you have to have your army near their base, control both watchtowers, and chip away/slow down their army with FFs and forcing them to siege/whatever you can do to buy time to get Collosi out. Brown was doing everything right. His army was supposed to be out there. He just didn't have a Pylon on the right side(most protoss do this) and/or an observer to scout for drops. He saw Marauders guess what in most cases it is not when the Terran builds Marauders , a 1-1-1 . And when he does as a followup to a 2 Rax he had to do damage before the 1-1-1 would've hit or the 1-1-1 woudln't be that strong. There was no reason to move that far away from his base with his whole army.
That's why I said "or some similar all in" which it was. You still have to slow down the army with FFs to buy time for your collosi to get out and for you to gain your economic advantage.
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On January 18 2012 19:12 BulletByBullet wrote:
Holy shit, GSL improved so much since I've watched it last time. Overlays and improved free quality so good
Wait what? The free stream improved in quality? Since when....
edit: just checked it hasn't it's still terrible.
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On January 18 2012 19:10 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 19:08 Fionn wrote:On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win Seriously? The map did not matter. The match-up didn't matter. Brown WON THAT GAME. He won. He had two bases and was about to get into higher tech with an extra base against an all-inning Terran who just lost half his army. Brown, for whatever reason, took his army and left his bases wide open to check on Alive's base for some reason. It's like LegalMind took over Brown's body. Okay, just to clear up confusion in this thread: Brown thought it was probably a 1-1-1 or some similar all in. In this scenario, as a Protoss you have to have your army near their base, control both watchtowers, and chip away/slow down their army with FFs and forcing them to siege/whatever you can do to buy time to get Collosi out. Brown was doing everything right. His army was supposed to be out there. He just didn't have a Pylon on the right side(most protoss do this) and/or an observer to scout for drops.
Wut, he knew it was a 2rax opener. The most common follow ups are either an expand into medivacs or the one base medivac all in that aLive was doing. Hell he had an observer out to scout everything after that point anyway. Cataclysmic failure on his part not to do so.
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On January 18 2012 19:13 gogatorsfoster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 19:08 Fionn wrote:On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win Seriously? The map did not matter. The match-up didn't matter. Brown WON THAT GAME. He won. He had two bases and was about to get into higher tech with an extra base against an all-inning Terran who just lost half his army. Brown, for whatever reason, took his army and left his bases wide open to check on Alive's base for some reason. It's like LegalMind took over Brown's body. I feel like balance whine blinds people to actually watching the game and seeing what happened. Like you and several others have said it should have been an easy win.
I'd blame it on nerves. He knew he was ahead, could be about to win his first code S series, and got ahead of himself without thinking.
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