On January 18 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote: Brown the next "golden hope" for protoss - however, his play here shows that he's just another gimmicky one!
Ah, the moment I saw set1, I knew that the "Brown Protoss hope" is going to be in trouble - in the first game against Alive he shows up with a gimmicky 3-gate warp-in on high ground pressure. Gimmicky in that his whole gameplan hinged on Alive not spotting the proxy pylon, you should've base your gameplan on your opponent making mistakes. He does proceeds to do some nice damage later on but decides to push in to Alive's base and his army gets smashed and dies to a counter-attack.
Set2, he played solidly and won. In set3, he makes a baffling decision to attack up the ramp when up 2-bases-to-1 and knowing that Alive was allining on 1-base. All he had to do was sit back and defend and he wins easily.
In set1 against Happy he tries for an "allinish" bust on Happy's fortified position. He doesn't lose outright since he had decent control on the retreat. However, Happy just streamrolls him in the counter-attack. Set2 against Happy, he did play solid but he scouted the 2-rax and really should've been more prepared, but was likely tilting already - his own fault after his gimmicky allinish play he was showing.
Even if Alive scouted a proxy pylon, it's not like Alive had enough time to throw down 3 bunkers and complete them in time. Brown knew Alive would go 1 rax expand and metagamed him. His play throughout the entire series was extremely solid and possibly the best forcefields I've ever seen. He made one or two big mistakes in games 1 and 3 that lost him the game. He may not be the best toss player in the world right now, but he's definitely damn close to it
On January 18 2012 21:59 TI777 wrote: I'm sorry but I'm starting to really dislike Tastosis' casting. Tasteless has never seemed to care about sc2, but now it seems like Artosis is losing his interest aswell. I mean, that was an epic TvT, a nuke about to land on the whole army, and all artosis wants is to finish his story about sea[shield]. A few seconds later an EPIC air battle with missiles and laser and seeker missiles EVERYWHERE and both caster are barely faking any excitement. Thought ?
I seriously think they are overworked. That's why they need other casters to help them. Even Moletrap once in a while is worth it for better, more prepared and fresher Tastosis less of the time.
It does seem to me a lot of people think they are overworked, and who I am I to say otherwise, but they just had a massive vacation between the last Code S and this one, and they dont have to work next week as well? Seems like a pretty cushy job, I could be completely wrong however. Casting is very strenuous for a long period of time but still its only like what, 4 hour workdays?
Damn, Brown just have too little experiences on the stage it seem. He was in a seriously good position in game 1 vs Alive and managed to threw it away. So many questionable decision.
On January 19 2012 05:54 tuho12345 wrote: Damn, Brown just have too little experiences on the stage it seem. He was in a seriously good position in game 1 vs Alive and managed to threw it away. So many questionable decision.
Yeah, watching him play felt like watching 3/4th genius (not the player) and 1/4 horrible nerves.
On January 19 2012 01:46 Shellshock1122 wrote: Wut. MKP won 2 TvTs?! And Happy and Alive are both solid TvT players O_o. He never gets past the ro32. 1 year anniversary of 2nd place GSL January run coming up. Silver medals baby! just saw the code a matchups too. If morrow beats Maru he runs into the TvZ brick wall of Happy >.>
I've heard people saying Happy's TvZ is really good but I've only seen it like once and it was pretty standard, where did all this hype come from?
vZ: 15-2 (88.24%) | Last 10 (old -> recent): W W W W W W W W W W | View Games only 2 losses to DRG and Nestea and he has beaten DRG and Leenock since those losses
Very first game summarizes my PvT history. One mistake you are gone against terran as protoss, whereas terran can win from any position. They nerfed protoss tooooooooooooo much! So frustrating. Marauder slow brakes my heart.
On January 18 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote: Brown the next "golden hope" for protoss - however, his play here shows that he's just another gimmicky one!
Ah, the moment I saw set1, I knew that the "Brown Protoss hope" is going to be in trouble - in the first game against Alive he shows up with a gimmicky 3-gate warp-in on high ground pressure. Gimmicky in that his whole gameplan hinged on Alive not spotting the proxy pylon, you should've base your gameplan on your opponent making mistakes. He does proceeds to do some nice damage later on but decides to push in to Alive's base and his army gets smashed and dies to a counter-attack.
Set2, he played solidly and won. In set3, he makes a baffling decision to attack up the ramp when up 2-bases-to-1 and knowing that Alive was allining on 1-base. All he had to do was sit back and defend and he wins easily.
In set1 against Happy he tries for an "allinish" bust on Happy's fortified position. He doesn't lose outright since he had decent control on the retreat. However, Happy just streamrolls him in the counter-attack. Set2 against Happy, he did play solid but he scouted the 2-rax and really should've been more prepared, but was likely tilting already - his own fault after his gimmicky allinish play he was showing.
Even if Alive scouted a proxy pylon, it's not like Alive had enough time to throw down 3 bunkers and complete them in time. Brown knew Alive would go 1 rax expand and metagamed him. His play throughout the entire series was extremely solid and possibly the best forcefields I've ever seen. He made one or two big mistakes in games 1 and 3 that lost him the game. He may not be the best toss player in the world right now, but he's definitely damn close to it
Many peoples' posts in response to mine missed the point.
It's not about metagaming or whatever in set1. 1-rax FE will defeat 3-gate pressure except the way Brown executed it with his high ground warp-in. However, if Alive had seen that proxy pylon, he could position his marines on top of the pylon so they keep firing. As Brown warped in units, SCVs will be ready for the surround. This is a standard defensive technique for this kind of shenanigan. Since Alive did not scout the proxy pylon, Brown was able to do damage and pulled slightly ahead in the opening.
However, what this told me (and Brown's subsequent suicidal decision-making) is that instead of relying on solid play (e.g. 1-gate FE) he chose something with the hope that his opponent will not take the proper precautions or response. This immediately does not point to a player that will last very long in Code S.
Further validation in set3 against Alive and set1 against Happy where he made "curious" decisions.
On January 18 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote: Brown the next "golden hope" for protoss - however, his play here shows that he's just another gimmicky one!
Ah, the moment I saw set1, I knew that the "Brown Protoss hope" is going to be in trouble - in the first game against Alive he shows up with a gimmicky 3-gate warp-in on high ground pressure. Gimmicky in that his whole gameplan hinged on Alive not spotting the proxy pylon, you should've base your gameplan on your opponent making mistakes. He does proceeds to do some nice damage later on but decides to push in to Alive's base and his army gets smashed and dies to a counter-attack.
Set2, he played solidly and won. In set3, he makes a baffling decision to attack up the ramp when up 2-bases-to-1 and knowing that Alive was allining on 1-base. All he had to do was sit back and defend and he wins easily.
In set1 against Happy he tries for an "allinish" bust on Happy's fortified position. He doesn't lose outright since he had decent control on the retreat. However, Happy just streamrolls him in the counter-attack. Set2 against Happy, he did play solid but he scouted the 2-rax and really should've been more prepared, but was likely tilting already - his own fault after his gimmicky allinish play he was showing.
Even if Alive scouted a proxy pylon, it's not like Alive had enough time to throw down 3 bunkers and complete them in time. Brown knew Alive would go 1 rax expand and metagamed him. His play throughout the entire series was extremely solid and possibly the best forcefields I've ever seen. He made one or two big mistakes in games 1 and 3 that lost him the game. He may not be the best toss player in the world right now, but he's definitely damn close to it
You clearly don't watch MC play very often.
Lol who hasn't seen MC play? They both have perfect forcefields. Now that everyone has gotten so good, I think there no longer is the best forcefield user. Gota say MC, Brown, maybe Huk, Parting have prob best FF. Mebbe im forgetting someone
...He may not be the best toss player in the world right now, but he's definitely damn close to it
please, just..no. no.
Have you seen Brown's PvZ? Probably the best in the world. His PvT is obviously not the best but very solid, just a few kinks. PvP doesn't really count since it's so volatile. But yeah, how can someone with the best PvZ and very good PvT not be close to the best?
On January 18 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote: Brown the next "golden hope" for protoss - however, his play here shows that he's just another gimmicky one!
Ah, the moment I saw set1, I knew that the "Brown Protoss hope" is going to be in trouble - in the first game against Alive he shows up with a gimmicky 3-gate warp-in on high ground pressure. Gimmicky in that his whole gameplan hinged on Alive not spotting the proxy pylon, you should've base your gameplan on your opponent making mistakes. He does proceeds to do some nice damage later on but decides to push in to Alive's base and his army gets smashed and dies to a counter-attack.
Set2, he played solidly and won. In set3, he makes a baffling decision to attack up the ramp when up 2-bases-to-1 and knowing that Alive was allining on 1-base. All he had to do was sit back and defend and he wins easily.
In set1 against Happy he tries for an "allinish" bust on Happy's fortified position. He doesn't lose outright since he had decent control on the retreat. However, Happy just streamrolls him in the counter-attack. Set2 against Happy, he did play solid but he scouted the 2-rax and really should've been more prepared, but was likely tilting already - his own fault after his gimmicky allinish play he was showing.
Even if Alive scouted a proxy pylon, it's not like Alive had enough time to throw down 3 bunkers and complete them in time. Brown knew Alive would go 1 rax expand and metagamed him. His play throughout the entire series was extremely solid and possibly the best forcefields I've ever seen. He made one or two big mistakes in games 1 and 3 that lost him the game. He may not be the best toss player in the world right now, but he's definitely damn close to it
You clearly don't watch MC play very often.
Lol who hasn't seen MC play? They both have perfect forcefields. Now that everyone has gotten so good, I think there no longer is the best forcefield user. Gota say MC, Brown, maybe Huk, Parting have prob best FF. Mebbe im forgetting someone
Talking about "perfect forcefields" for Protoss is like saying "perfect marine control" for Terran. It's like a prerequisite now to becoming a top player anyways.
On January 18 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote: Brown the next "golden hope" for protoss - however, his play here shows that he's just another gimmicky one!
Ah, the moment I saw set1, I knew that the "Brown Protoss hope" is going to be in trouble - in the first game against Alive he shows up with a gimmicky 3-gate warp-in on high ground pressure. Gimmicky in that his whole gameplan hinged on Alive not spotting the proxy pylon, you should've base your gameplan on your opponent making mistakes. He does proceeds to do some nice damage later on but decides to push in to Alive's base and his army gets smashed and dies to a counter-attack.
Set2, he played solidly and won. In set3, he makes a baffling decision to attack up the ramp when up 2-bases-to-1 and knowing that Alive was allining on 1-base. All he had to do was sit back and defend and he wins easily.
In set1 against Happy he tries for an "allinish" bust on Happy's fortified position. He doesn't lose outright since he had decent control on the retreat. However, Happy just streamrolls him in the counter-attack. Set2 against Happy, he did play solid but he scouted the 2-rax and really should've been more prepared, but was likely tilting already - his own fault after his gimmicky allinish play he was showing.
Even if Alive scouted a proxy pylon, it's not like Alive had enough time to throw down 3 bunkers and complete them in time. Brown knew Alive would go 1 rax expand and metagamed him. His play throughout the entire series was extremely solid and possibly the best forcefields I've ever seen. He made one or two big mistakes in games 1 and 3 that lost him the game. He may not be the best toss player in the world right now, but he's definitely damn close to it
You clearly don't watch MC play very often.
Lol who hasn't seen MC play? They both have perfect forcefields. Now that everyone has gotten so good, I think there no longer is the best forcefield user. Gota say MC, Brown, maybe Huk, Parting have prob best FF. Mebbe im forgetting someone
Well, "the best forcefields I've ever seen" logically means that they are BETTER than MC's, Huk's and Parting's. (As well as Sage's, Hero's, Puzzle's, Oz's and ever other decent Protoss in Korea). Not "as good as".
If what you mean is that top Protoss players in general have fucking amazing Forcefields, you're damn right there.
...He may not be the best toss player in the world right now, but he's definitely damn close to it
please, just..no. no.
Have you seen Brown's PvZ? Probably the best in the world. His PvT is obviously not the best but very solid, just a few kinks. PvP doesn't really count since it's so volatile. But yeah, how can someone with the best PvZ and very good PvT not be close to the best?
How can a player with basically no results be the best? Oh wait...
[/QUOTE] Many peoples' posts in response to mine missed the point.
It's not about metagaming or whatever in set1. 1-rax FE will defeat 3-gate pressure except the way Brown executed it with his high ground warp-in. However, if Alive had seen that proxy pylon, he could position his marines on top of the pylon so they keep firing. As Brown warped in units, SCVs will be ready for the surround. This is a standard defensive technique for this kind of shenanigan. Since Alive did not scout the proxy pylon, Brown was able to do damage and pulled slightly ahead in the opening.
However, what this told me (and Brown's subsequent suicidal decision-making) is that instead of relying on solid play (e.g. 1-gate FE) he chose something with the hope that his opponent will not take the proper precautions or response. This immediately does not point to a player that will last very long in Code S.
Further validation in set3 against Alive and set1 against Happy where he made "curious" decisions. [/QUOTE]
No there's really no point I'm missing. If alive was shooting at the pylon from the high ground, why in the world would Brown warp-in on the high ground with scvs waiting there? If the marines were shooting at the pylon, then guess what? No marines in bunker. Brown simply warps stalkers/zealots on low ground and just walks up the ramp and targets down all the marines before they can even get back in the bunker. Absolutely NOTHING hinged on Alive seeing the pylon or not, that's a completely false statement. Brown metagamed Alive, and there wasn't much Alive could have done to hold it off, besides a blind counter with 2 extra bunkers, but those 200 extra minerals would mean less marines and maybe Brown would've won anyways.
On January 18 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote: Brown the next "golden hope" for protoss - however, his play here shows that he's just another gimmicky one!
Ah, the moment I saw set1, I knew that the "Brown Protoss hope" is going to be in trouble - in the first game against Alive he shows up with a gimmicky 3-gate warp-in on high ground pressure. Gimmicky in that his whole gameplan hinged on Alive not spotting the proxy pylon, you should've base your gameplan on your opponent making mistakes. He does proceeds to do some nice damage later on but decides to push in to Alive's base and his army gets smashed and dies to a counter-attack.
Set2, he played solidly and won. In set3, he makes a baffling decision to attack up the ramp when up 2-bases-to-1 and knowing that Alive was allining on 1-base. All he had to do was sit back and defend and he wins easily.
In set1 against Happy he tries for an "allinish" bust on Happy's fortified position. He doesn't lose outright since he had decent control on the retreat. However, Happy just streamrolls him in the counter-attack. Set2 against Happy, he did play solid but he scouted the 2-rax and really should've been more prepared, but was likely tilting already - his own fault after his gimmicky allinish play he was showing.
Even if Alive scouted a proxy pylon, it's not like Alive had enough time to throw down 3 bunkers and complete them in time. Brown knew Alive would go 1 rax expand and metagamed him. His play throughout the entire series was extremely solid and possibly the best forcefields I've ever seen. He made one or two big mistakes in games 1 and 3 that lost him the game. He may not be the best toss player in the world right now, but he's definitely damn close to it
You clearly don't watch MC play very often.
Lol who hasn't seen MC play? They both have perfect forcefields. Now that everyone has gotten so good, I think there no longer is the best forcefield user. Gota say MC, Brown, maybe Huk, Parting have prob best FF. Mebbe im forgetting someone
Well, "the best forcefields I've ever seen" logically means that they are BETTER than MC's, Huk's and Parting's. (As well as Sage's, Hero's, Puzzle's, Oz's and ever other decent Protoss in Korea). Not "as good as".
If what you mean is that top Protoss players in general have fucking amazing Forcefields, you're damn right there.
...He may not be the best toss player in the world right now, but he's definitely damn close to it
please, just..no. no.
Have you seen Brown's PvZ? Probably the best in the world. His PvT is obviously not the best but very solid, just a few kinks. PvP doesn't really count since it's so volatile. But yeah, how can someone with the best PvZ and very good PvT not be close to the best?
How can a player with basically no results be the best? Oh wait...
-_- ok, can you please READ my post before responding with some sarcastic comment? "how can someone... not be CLOSE to the best". Nowhere in my post did I say that he IS the best. PLEASE read before responding. BTW, Parting has basically no results, but he is looking almost like the best toss in the world right now. So please realize that results do not determine a player's skill
Except Parting isn't really looking like almost the best toss in the world right now. He did well in Code A, scraped through his Ro32 group and will be really lucky to get out of Ro16.
He needs to prove himself more to be called one of the best in the world, IMO.
Top 2 Protoss are MC and Oz, no question. After that, it's all up for grabs.
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