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mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
January 18 2012 10:05 GMT
#601
On January 18 2012 19:03 JJH777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:02 Uni1987 wrote:
No protoss in ro16?


rofl

Genius made it yesterday 2-0 DRG and 2-0 Sc and MC also made it, those are the two that I can remember cause I follow them lol.
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
January 18 2012 10:05 GMT
#602
On January 18 2012 19:03 -y0shi- wrote:
How the hell can you even attack in tvp? If you move out you die.. Man this is depressing


If you move out vs someone 1 basing that hard what do you expect. Tasteless was spot on over artosis's brown bias, when you scout someone 1 basing and you've expanded, your supposed to do everything to stay alive because once you do you win.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 10:06:09
January 18 2012 10:05 GMT
#603
On January 18 2012 19:04 willz22912 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:02 Uni1987 wrote:
No protoss in ro16?


MC, Genius are through for sure. Not sure about others.


MC, Genius, and Oz are through so far. 3 of the 5 toss to play so far. Even if Brown is a failure today Toss will still be holding a 50% advance rate with the possibility of 2 more through tomorrow (or 0 for 2 if Keen and Nada have their way lol)
deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 10:08:20
January 18 2012 10:05 GMT
#604
On January 18 2012 19:03 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 18:59 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:58 Markwerf wrote:
oo artosis PvT advice is really shady.. 1 base colo vs 1-1-1? 2 gate robo good vs 2 rax? come on..

You think you know more about PvT than Artosis?

Well correct me if im wrong but I never see top protosses doing 1 base colossus vs 1/1/1. MC always does 1 gate expo and makes immortals etc. And I do think he knows more about PvT than artosis.


Not saying MC's way doesn't work, cause I play his way and can get it to work against many terran openers. However to talk about what Artosis said, 1 base colossus vs 1-1-1 i don't think so buddy. But, 2 gate robo is hard counter vs 2 rax, if you know 100% it's gonna be 2 rax, 2 gate robo smashes it, not even close.



On January 18 2012 19:05 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:04 willz22912 wrote:
On January 18 2012 19:02 Uni1987 wrote:
No protoss in ro16?


MC, Genius are through for sure. Not sure about others.


MC, Genius, and Oz are through so far. 3 of the 5 toss to play so far. Even if Brown is a failure today Toss will still be holding a 50% advance rate with the possibility of 2 more through tomorrow (or 0 for 2 if Keen and Nada have their way lol)


Definitely one of the best % I've seen in awhile if my memory serves me correct, glad Protoss isn't a flailing fish anymore. Not exactly Protoss bursting out on the scene, but 2011 was pretty laughable.
Reggae-Troll
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland241 Posts
January 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#605
On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win

This is just so wrong on every front.
Do feed the Troll.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
January 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#606
sighh......

angry/raging Seeker does not want to get banned. Therefore he is going to bite his tongue and just brood sourly
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
January 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#607
On January 18 2012 19:02 Asha` wrote:
Definitely a top 4 GSL candidate...

...lol

patchy series.

I'm not necessarily saying Artosis is right in his analysis but this is just strawmaning what he said. He said in a couple seasons he could get a top 4 because he has POTENTIAL. Plus is was vs Alive who is insanely good and it was a close 2-1 series..
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
January 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#608
Genious / MC / Oz is through to r16
3 protoss 3 zergs 6 terran. So not really extremely imbalanced as it has been in the past.
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-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
January 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#609
On January 18 2012 19:05 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:03 -y0shi- wrote:
How the hell can you even attack in tvp? If you move out you die.. Man this is depressing


Brown had that game 100%. He had two bases. Alive was all-inning. All Brown had to do was sit at his base, produce some units and wait for the failed all-in by Alive. Brown did basically the worst thing he could ever possibly do in the spot he was in. Only thing worse would be killing his own buildings.


I get that but it just seems that, even when hes ahead, the moment he moves out hes caught in a baserace :/ How long is he supposed to sit back there?
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
January 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#610
On January 18 2012 19:03 -y0shi- wrote:
How the hell can you even attack in tvp? If you move out you die.. Man this is depressing


in that game you don't need to attack Brown have more base just df and tech
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 10:07:06
January 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#611
On January 18 2012 19:06 Reggae-Troll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win

This is just so wrong on every front.


What you should change this too is

Lesson:
1) DONT ATTACK WHEN YOUR AHEAD IN BASES AND HES GOING ALL IN
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
January 18 2012 10:07 GMT
#612
Both players played well. All 3 games turned on a couple of mistakes.

1) Brown traded army for SCVs and later Alive got hero EMP off
2) 1 terrible engagement from Alive
3) Brown out of position eventhough he was ahead 2 base vs 1 base
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
January 18 2012 10:07 GMT
#613
On January 18 2012 19:03 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 18:59 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 18 2012 18:58 Markwerf wrote:
oo artosis PvT advice is really shady.. 1 base colo vs 1-1-1? 2 gate robo good vs 2 rax? come on..

You think you know more about PvT than Artosis?

Well correct me if im wrong but I never see top protosses doing 1 base colossus vs 1/1/1. MC always does 1 gate expo and makes immortals etc. And I do think he knows more about PvT than artosis.


I'm going to correct you because you are wrong. Protoss almost ALWAYS respond to 1/1/1 with collosi. Usually expand first but collosi are definitely the tech tree of choice against 1/1/1
Players: MMA, Boxer, Ryung, Life, TaeJa, Squirtle, Brown, Dark,
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 18 2012 10:08 GMT
#614
On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win


Seriously?

The map did not matter. The match-up didn't matter. Brown WON THAT GAME. He won. He had two bases and was about to get into higher tech with an extra base against an all-inning Terran who just lost half his army. Brown, for whatever reason, took his army and left his bases wide open to check on Alive's base for some reason.

It's like LegalMind took over Brown's body.
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ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
January 18 2012 10:08 GMT
#615
On January 18 2012 19:03 -y0shi- wrote:
How the hell can you even attack in tvp? If you move out you die.. Man this is depressing

Why would you move out to attack when you are ahead in bases and your opponent has medivacs and is ahead army wise and tech wise?Also, why not make warp prisms to punish the terran for moving out just like they do with medivacs?Man, this bias is depressing .
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
January 18 2012 10:08 GMT
#616
On January 18 2012 19:02 Belha wrote:
I only want to aLive not make into ro16, that guy do not deserve that spot.

There are MKP and Happy
They should come out of this group, if Brown doesnt step up in the loosers game.
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 10:09:36
January 18 2012 10:08 GMT
#617
On January 18 2012 19:05 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:03 -y0shi- wrote:
How the hell can you even attack in tvp? If you move out you die.. Man this is depressing


Brown had that game 100%. He had two bases. Alive was all-inning. All Brown had to do was sit at his base, produce some units and wait for the failed all-in by Alive. Brown did basically the worst thing he could ever possibly do in the spot he was in. Only thing worse would be killing his own buildings.


He basically scouted with his entire army instead of an obs/halluc/probe/zealot around the time medivacs come out on probably the best map for terran drops (maybe 2nd after shakuras) Brown essentially did the same thing he did in G1. Did some brilliant, surgical trimming down of Alives troops, but then just moved his army too far in and it just got killed/circumvented. Stuff like that makes reinforces my thought that brown is probably having some nerve issues right now, which is understandable for a guy's code S debut.
aka ilovesharkpeople
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
January 18 2012 10:09 GMT
#618
On January 18 2012 19:04 twndomn wrote:
lesson:
1. Crossfire PvT, Protoss should just GG, free win for Terran on this map, awesome design.
2. Insane Micro and FF will not save the Protoss
3. Terran 1-base all in = win


Brown moved his entire army down the map when he was ahead on bases while Alive dropped two medivacs in his main.

His options were a base trade or walking all the units slowly back home, he'd have definitely lost a base trade and also lost by retreating, having said that if he'd not had an artosis pylon powering all his stuff he may have been in better shape
@followMVT
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
January 18 2012 10:09 GMT
#619
On January 18 2012 19:06 -y0shi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:05 Fionn wrote:
On January 18 2012 19:03 -y0shi- wrote:
How the hell can you even attack in tvp? If you move out you die.. Man this is depressing


Brown had that game 100%. He had two bases. Alive was all-inning. All Brown had to do was sit at his base, produce some units and wait for the failed all-in by Alive. Brown did basically the worst thing he could ever possibly do in the spot he was in. Only thing worse would be killing his own buildings.


I get that but it just seems that, even when hes ahead, the moment he moves out hes caught in a baserace :/ How long is he supposed to sit back there?


Ironically, Artosis gave the best advice pertaining to this situation: "When you're ahead, get MORE ahead." If the Terran decides to just all-in at that point, which Alive was about to, then he'll get crushed because Brown has 2 bases to 1 and alive missed his timing, plus he lost a significant amount of units already. Brown should've just stayed in his base no matter what.
Fullback
Profile Joined January 2012
Argentina170 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 10:10:25
January 18 2012 10:09 GMT
#620
On January 18 2012 19:06 -y0shi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 19:05 Fionn wrote:
On January 18 2012 19:03 -y0shi- wrote:
How the hell can you even attack in tvp? If you move out you die.. Man this is depressing


Brown had that game 100%. He had two bases. Alive was all-inning. All Brown had to do was sit at his base, produce some units and wait for the failed all-in by Alive. Brown did basically the worst thing he could ever possibly do in the spot he was in. Only thing worse would be killing his own buildings.


I get that but it just seems that, even when hes ahead, the moment he moves out hes caught in a baserace :/ How long is he supposed to sit back there?


The moment his economy is so far ahead that he can afford defending properly while attacking, ofc.


Or warp prisms.
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