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arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
January 15 2012 03:26 GMT
#161
What's the score?
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 03:42:12
January 15 2012 03:41 GMT
#162
On January 15 2012 12:20 aintz wrote:
only if he knew how to do 1/1/1. if he 1/1/1 ed properly he wouldve won easily.


Well ganzi does know how to 1-1-1. He uses 1-1-1 as much as puma. I remember during the code a qualifiers he 1-1-1 his way to code a and everyone was calling him a cheesy noob in the live thread, lol. I've seen ganzi do 1-1-1 a ton.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
zestzorb
Profile Joined August 2010
Thailand776 Posts
January 15 2012 03:43 GMT
#163
On January 15 2012 12:26 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 16:26 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 16:06 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:44 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:05 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:31 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:16 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:15 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:13 RPR_Tempest wrote:
MaNa has really, really good PvT.

GanZi is fucking shit against Protoss. So is Ryung. So is Clide. So is BoxeR. MMA seems to have improved a bit but he still has a pretty bad record.

SlayerS Terrans don't beat Protoss.
MaNa will beat GanZi in fairly one-sided fashion.

It would actually be a tremendous upset for GanZi to win here.


Agree with the bold but you forgot something important. Ganzi is from South Korea, Mana is not. So Ganzi will still probably win.

Tell that to Gatored.


I don't know why people make bad posts like this bringing up the one piece of evidence they have when there's so much evidence to the contrary.

lol. What evidence is there to the contrary? Please tell me.

By the way, I have far more than one piece of evidence.


It's a terrible post because it's such a completely redundant piece of information. What is your point? That Ganzi has lost vs a foreign player? Yeah, no shit he's not able to have a 100% record vs foreigners, what a terrible player Ganzi must be. He's got a 68% overall win rate on TLPD (higher than any non Korean player) but nevermind because he lost to Gatored once in a best of three so Mana has got this no problem, right? Code S for multiples seasons? Yeah, what's that this is Mana we're talking about here he's a PvT god.

As for Mana, well he's a beast he beat Puma once at IEM, didn't you all see what a boss mode PvT he has? He beat Puma online once too, god he's so good PvT.

Nevermind that Mana has lost PvT's in the last six months to Polt, TOP, Bomber, Yoda and Puma because I'm just going to blind fanboy foreign players and bring up any and all examples of the foreigner winning without mentioning at all any of the times he loses, even if they completely outweigh the wins.

Mana might win this, he might not but even with lag he is up against a Code S player who has a legitimate claim to be amongst the 10 best players in the world. Mana would scrape his way into the top 50 at best.


YoDa, PuMa, Bomber, Polt and TOP are all a lot better at TvP than GanZi. They don't outweigh his impressive wins at all. Plus I never said GanZi was terrible, he's great TvT and a fucking monster TvZ. Gatored and MaNa both have really good PvT, far better than GanZi's TvP. If you're going to bring up all the players MaNa has lost to PvT, then I can bring up all the players GanZi has lost to TvP. It's a long list. He's beaten HuK and KiWiKaKi, but that's the only time he's beaten anyone who doesn't suck in a TvP. MaNa has beaten equivalent better players than HuK and KiWiKaKi PvT.

By the way, I like how you accuse me of being a foreigner fanboy. Yeah, no. Calling someone a fanboy because you can't sway them with your argument is the worst thing you can do.

Don't worry, though. We're all wrong sometimes.



Calling Mana's PvT better than Ganzi's is frankly laughable and certainly not based on evidence.


What's up?


IDK,

Someone has really, really good PvT won against someone who is fucking shit against Protoss.
5-4

A very thin line between "really really good" and "fucking shit" so it seems.
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 04:30:30
January 15 2012 04:25 GMT
#164
On January 15 2012 12:26 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 16:26 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 16:06 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:44 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:05 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:31 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:16 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:15 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:13 RPR_Tempest wrote:
MaNa has really, really good PvT.

GanZi is fucking shit against Protoss. So is Ryung. So is Clide. So is BoxeR. MMA seems to have improved a bit but he still has a pretty bad record.

SlayerS Terrans don't beat Protoss.
MaNa will beat GanZi in fairly one-sided fashion.

It would actually be a tremendous upset for GanZi to win here.


Agree with the bold but you forgot something important. Ganzi is from South Korea, Mana is not. So Ganzi will still probably win.

Tell that to Gatored.


I don't know why people make bad posts like this bringing up the one piece of evidence they have when there's so much evidence to the contrary.

lol. What evidence is there to the contrary? Please tell me.

By the way, I have far more than one piece of evidence.


It's a terrible post because it's such a completely redundant piece of information. What is your point? That Ganzi has lost vs a foreign player? Yeah, no shit he's not able to have a 100% record vs foreigners, what a terrible player Ganzi must be. He's got a 68% overall win rate on TLPD (higher than any non Korean player) but nevermind because he lost to Gatored once in a best of three so Mana has got this no problem, right? Code S for multiples seasons? Yeah, what's that this is Mana we're talking about here he's a PvT god.

As for Mana, well he's a beast he beat Puma once at IEM, didn't you all see what a boss mode PvT he has? He beat Puma online once too, god he's so good PvT.

Nevermind that Mana has lost PvT's in the last six months to Polt, TOP, Bomber, Yoda and Puma because I'm just going to blind fanboy foreign players and bring up any and all examples of the foreigner winning without mentioning at all any of the times he loses, even if they completely outweigh the wins.

Mana might win this, he might not but even with lag he is up against a Code S player who has a legitimate claim to be amongst the 10 best players in the world. Mana would scrape his way into the top 50 at best.


YoDa, PuMa, Bomber, Polt and TOP are all a lot better at TvP than GanZi. They don't outweigh his impressive wins at all. Plus I never said GanZi was terrible, he's great TvT and a fucking monster TvZ. Gatored and MaNa both have really good PvT, far better than GanZi's TvP. If you're going to bring up all the players MaNa has lost to PvT, then I can bring up all the players GanZi has lost to TvP. It's a long list. He's beaten HuK and KiWiKaKi, but that's the only time he's beaten anyone who doesn't suck in a TvP. MaNa has beaten equivalent better players than HuK and KiWiKaKi PvT.

By the way, I like how you accuse me of being a foreigner fanboy. Yeah, no. Calling someone a fanboy because you can't sway them with your argument is the worst thing you can do.

Don't worry, though. We're all wrong sometimes.



Calling Mana's PvT better than Ganzi's is frankly laughable and certainly not based on evidence.


What's up?


It seemed like you were right due to his last post you quoted... Then I read that whole convo... and I don't know what you're celebrating.

And it seems like you were arguing that this is going to be one-sided so I don't think you have the right to say that; especially since the guy even acknowledged that Mana might win this.
Gameplay > Personality
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7799 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 04:46:24
January 15 2012 04:44 GMT
#165
On January 15 2012 13:25 wklbishop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 12:26 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 16:26 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 16:06 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:44 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:05 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:31 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:16 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:15 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:13 RPR_Tempest wrote:
MaNa has really, really good PvT.

GanZi is fucking shit against Protoss. So is Ryung. So is Clide. So is BoxeR. MMA seems to have improved a bit but he still has a pretty bad record.

SlayerS Terrans don't beat Protoss.
MaNa will beat GanZi in fairly one-sided fashion.

It would actually be a tremendous upset for GanZi to win here.


Agree with the bold but you forgot something important. Ganzi is from South Korea, Mana is not. So Ganzi will still probably win.

Tell that to Gatored.


I don't know why people make bad posts like this bringing up the one piece of evidence they have when there's so much evidence to the contrary.

lol. What evidence is there to the contrary? Please tell me.

By the way, I have far more than one piece of evidence.


It's a terrible post because it's such a completely redundant piece of information. What is your point? That Ganzi has lost vs a foreign player? Yeah, no shit he's not able to have a 100% record vs foreigners, what a terrible player Ganzi must be. He's got a 68% overall win rate on TLPD (higher than any non Korean player) but nevermind because he lost to Gatored once in a best of three so Mana has got this no problem, right? Code S for multiples seasons? Yeah, what's that this is Mana we're talking about here he's a PvT god.

As for Mana, well he's a beast he beat Puma once at IEM, didn't you all see what a boss mode PvT he has? He beat Puma online once too, god he's so good PvT.

Nevermind that Mana has lost PvT's in the last six months to Polt, TOP, Bomber, Yoda and Puma because I'm just going to blind fanboy foreign players and bring up any and all examples of the foreigner winning without mentioning at all any of the times he loses, even if they completely outweigh the wins.

Mana might win this, he might not but even with lag he is up against a Code S player who has a legitimate claim to be amongst the 10 best players in the world. Mana would scrape his way into the top 50 at best.


YoDa, PuMa, Bomber, Polt and TOP are all a lot better at TvP than GanZi. They don't outweigh his impressive wins at all. Plus I never said GanZi was terrible, he's great TvT and a fucking monster TvZ. Gatored and MaNa both have really good PvT, far better than GanZi's TvP. If you're going to bring up all the players MaNa has lost to PvT, then I can bring up all the players GanZi has lost to TvP. It's a long list. He's beaten HuK and KiWiKaKi, but that's the only time he's beaten anyone who doesn't suck in a TvP. MaNa has beaten equivalent better players than HuK and KiWiKaKi PvT.

By the way, I like how you accuse me of being a foreigner fanboy. Yeah, no. Calling someone a fanboy because you can't sway them with your argument is the worst thing you can do.

Don't worry, though. We're all wrong sometimes.



Calling Mana's PvT better than Ganzi's is frankly laughable and certainly not based on evidence.


What's up?


It seemed like you were right due to his last post you quoted... Then I read that whole convo... and I don't know what you're celebrating.

And it seems like you were arguing that this is going to be one-sided so I don't think you have the right to say that; especially since the guy even acknowledged that Mana might win this.

Initially, yeah. But then I remembered that GanZi has beaten HuK and KiWiKaKi and stuff so it just became solely about who would win. Don't take it too seriously.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 15 2012 04:55 GMT
#166
Congrats Mana. I was hoping that Ganzi would win, but it's also cool to see that even solid Code S players are able to be beaten by foreigners.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 15 2012 05:04 GMT
#167
tuned in right at the best time!
Insomniac22
Profile Joined February 2011
United States907 Posts
January 15 2012 05:18 GMT
#168
woo mana!
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
January 15 2012 05:18 GMT
#169
Congrats Mana, Ganzi y u use risky build in g9???
Daft Commander
Profile Joined April 2011
United States79 Posts
January 15 2012 05:24 GMT
#170
Mouz players are kind of known to be good enough to beat koreans. IPL team arena proved it pretty well.
"I should have let him drown"
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
January 15 2012 05:47 GMT
#171
On January 15 2012 12:41 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 12:20 aintz wrote:
only if he knew how to do 1/1/1. if he 1/1/1 ed properly he wouldve won easily.


Well ganzi does know how to 1-1-1. He uses 1-1-1 as much as puma. I remember during the code a qualifiers he 1-1-1 his way to code a and everyone was calling him a cheesy noob in the live thread, lol. I've seen ganzi do 1-1-1 a ton.


he did a very very delayed push with 2/1/1 and didnt pull enough scvs
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
January 15 2012 11:00 GMT
#172
GW Mana! Lets hope its a beginig of long winning streak!
Pathetic Greta hater.
felleN
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia100 Posts
January 15 2012 11:18 GMT
#173
Nicely played by Mana I think Ganzi would of won in game 9 if he didnt do such a risky allin build.
"I am fucking godly at, like, fucking god. AHHHH" -combatEX
ProxyPL
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland230 Posts
January 15 2012 11:19 GMT
#174
gz MaNa showing againg he can beat anyone! hope he'll go to Korea this holiday!
Proxy is like fire. Fire never dies alone!
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
January 15 2012 11:29 GMT
#175
On January 15 2012 12:12 HolyArrow wrote:
Pretty unsurprising result. Ganzi is fine with TvT and TvZ, but TvP is pretty clearly his weakness (he has a 36% winrate against Tosses according to TLPD). However, he's still a Code S player, so despite that being his weakest matchup, he went out 4-5 against one of EU's best Protosses in that Protoss's strongest matchup. WP by Mana nonetheless, happy to see 1-1-1s getting crushed.


yeah I suppose you would have bet how much on it?
Chill Winston......
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
January 15 2012 12:01 GMT
#176
Mana showing once again his PvT is beastly. Would love to see him in Korea.
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 15 2012 12:58 GMT
#177
yey mana beast mode as expected

hope he will go on a good winstreak now and prove to everyone that he is not only good in PvT as everyone seems to think in this thread...
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 15 2012 13:17 GMT
#178
On January 15 2012 12:26 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 16:26 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 16:06 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:44 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:05 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:31 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:16 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:15 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:13 RPR_Tempest wrote:
MaNa has really, really good PvT.

GanZi is fucking shit against Protoss. So is Ryung. So is Clide. So is BoxeR. MMA seems to have improved a bit but he still has a pretty bad record.

SlayerS Terrans don't beat Protoss.
MaNa will beat GanZi in fairly one-sided fashion.

It would actually be a tremendous upset for GanZi to win here.


Agree with the bold but you forgot something important. Ganzi is from South Korea, Mana is not. So Ganzi will still probably win.

Tell that to Gatored.


I don't know why people make bad posts like this bringing up the one piece of evidence they have when there's so much evidence to the contrary.

lol. What evidence is there to the contrary? Please tell me.

By the way, I have far more than one piece of evidence.


It's a terrible post because it's such a completely redundant piece of information. What is your point? That Ganzi has lost vs a foreign player? Yeah, no shit he's not able to have a 100% record vs foreigners, what a terrible player Ganzi must be. He's got a 68% overall win rate on TLPD (higher than any non Korean player) but nevermind because he lost to Gatored once in a best of three so Mana has got this no problem, right? Code S for multiples seasons? Yeah, what's that this is Mana we're talking about here he's a PvT god.

As for Mana, well he's a beast he beat Puma once at IEM, didn't you all see what a boss mode PvT he has? He beat Puma online once too, god he's so good PvT.

Nevermind that Mana has lost PvT's in the last six months to Polt, TOP, Bomber, Yoda and Puma because I'm just going to blind fanboy foreign players and bring up any and all examples of the foreigner winning without mentioning at all any of the times he loses, even if they completely outweigh the wins.

Mana might win this, he might not but even with lag he is up against a Code S player who has a legitimate claim to be amongst the 10 best players in the world. Mana would scrape his way into the top 50 at best.


YoDa, PuMa, Bomber, Polt and TOP are all a lot better at TvP than GanZi. They don't outweigh his impressive wins at all. Plus I never said GanZi was terrible, he's great TvT and a fucking monster TvZ. Gatored and MaNa both have really good PvT, far better than GanZi's TvP. If you're going to bring up all the players MaNa has lost to PvT, then I can bring up all the players GanZi has lost to TvP. It's a long list. He's beaten HuK and KiWiKaKi, but that's the only time he's beaten anyone who doesn't suck in a TvP. MaNa has beaten equivalent better players than HuK and KiWiKaKi PvT.

By the way, I like how you accuse me of being a foreigner fanboy. Yeah, no. Calling someone a fanboy because you can't sway them with your argument is the worst thing you can do.

Don't worry, though. We're all wrong sometimes.



Calling Mana's PvT better than Ganzi's is frankly laughable and certainly not based on evidence.


What's up?


So the guy who is "fucking shit" vs Protoss lost 5-4 with cross server lag to a guy with "far better PvT"? You sure proved your point...
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4769 Posts
January 15 2012 13:23 GMT
#179
As demostrated above, when someone loses there will always be excuses. Doesnt matter if foreigner loses to korean or it is ther otehr way around, someone will pop out produse plant of reasons why this reasult isnt vialble and shouldnt matter.
Pathetic Greta hater.
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
January 15 2012 13:28 GMT
#180
On January 15 2012 22:17 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2012 12:26 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 16:26 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 16:06 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:44 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 15:05 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:31 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:16 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:15 Seraphone wrote:
On January 12 2012 14:13 RPR_Tempest wrote:
MaNa has really, really good PvT.

GanZi is fucking shit against Protoss. So is Ryung. So is Clide. So is BoxeR. MMA seems to have improved a bit but he still has a pretty bad record.

SlayerS Terrans don't beat Protoss.
MaNa will beat GanZi in fairly one-sided fashion.

It would actually be a tremendous upset for GanZi to win here.


Agree with the bold but you forgot something important. Ganzi is from South Korea, Mana is not. So Ganzi will still probably win.

Tell that to Gatored.


I don't know why people make bad posts like this bringing up the one piece of evidence they have when there's so much evidence to the contrary.

lol. What evidence is there to the contrary? Please tell me.

By the way, I have far more than one piece of evidence.


It's a terrible post because it's such a completely redundant piece of information. What is your point? That Ganzi has lost vs a foreign player? Yeah, no shit he's not able to have a 100% record vs foreigners, what a terrible player Ganzi must be. He's got a 68% overall win rate on TLPD (higher than any non Korean player) but nevermind because he lost to Gatored once in a best of three so Mana has got this no problem, right? Code S for multiples seasons? Yeah, what's that this is Mana we're talking about here he's a PvT god.

As for Mana, well he's a beast he beat Puma once at IEM, didn't you all see what a boss mode PvT he has? He beat Puma online once too, god he's so good PvT.

Nevermind that Mana has lost PvT's in the last six months to Polt, TOP, Bomber, Yoda and Puma because I'm just going to blind fanboy foreign players and bring up any and all examples of the foreigner winning without mentioning at all any of the times he loses, even if they completely outweigh the wins.

Mana might win this, he might not but even with lag he is up against a Code S player who has a legitimate claim to be amongst the 10 best players in the world. Mana would scrape his way into the top 50 at best.


YoDa, PuMa, Bomber, Polt and TOP are all a lot better at TvP than GanZi. They don't outweigh his impressive wins at all. Plus I never said GanZi was terrible, he's great TvT and a fucking monster TvZ. Gatored and MaNa both have really good PvT, far better than GanZi's TvP. If you're going to bring up all the players MaNa has lost to PvT, then I can bring up all the players GanZi has lost to TvP. It's a long list. He's beaten HuK and KiWiKaKi, but that's the only time he's beaten anyone who doesn't suck in a TvP. MaNa has beaten equivalent better players than HuK and KiWiKaKi PvT.

By the way, I like how you accuse me of being a foreigner fanboy. Yeah, no. Calling someone a fanboy because you can't sway them with your argument is the worst thing you can do.

Don't worry, though. We're all wrong sometimes.



Calling Mana's PvT better than Ganzi's is frankly laughable and certainly not based on evidence.


What's up?


So the guy who is "fucking shit" vs Protoss lost 5-4 with cross server lag to a guy with "far better PvT"? You sure proved your point...


But they were both off-server. And in the case that one isn't then IPL switches servers every other game.
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