[IPL] Fight Club 6: GanZi vs. MaNa - Page 11

On January 16 2012 02:21 Seraphone wrote:


Code A winner, Code S Ro4. End of story.

On January 16 2012 05:32 Xoronius wrote:


Dreamhack, Assembly and ESWC runner-up, earned twice the amout of money. End of Story. Arguing, who the better player is, is just meaningless, Ganzi has beaten Leenock, Losira and Jjakji in offline-tournaments, MaNa has beaten NaDa, Puma and MC. I guess they are both pretty good, even in the OP the voting is 220:220 at this point.

On January 16 2012 05:32 Xoronius wrote:


Dreamhack, Assembly and ESWC runner-up, earned twice the amout of money

On January 16 2012 15:29 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I was the guy who started this whole conversation, but how can people honestly say that MaNa is better than GanZi? MaNa is better at this match-up, but GanZi's other two match-ups are both really good, much better than MaNa's other two.

On January 16 2012 15:20 Seraphone wrote:


Not remotely comparable to Code S and Code A.

Money earnt means nothing. Sen has earnt more money than Jjakji but Jjakji is an insanely superior player (as evidenced by their games last week).

Other hilarious money comparisons include Hongun earning more than SC, Jinro earning more than Nerchio, Select earning more than Losira and many others.

It says nothing about current skill level.

Do you honestly think that if Mana went to Korea he would make it through the Code A qualifiers, through Code A and then through his Code S group into the Ro16 like Ganzi has done?

Of course he wouldn't. He wouldn't even make it through the qualifiers (as no foreigner has ever successfully done) and even if he did he wouldn't make it through Code A.

On January 17 2012 12:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I love the apologists trying to justify why a good Korean player lost to a white dude.

He lost to a white dude because the white dude is the best Protoss outside of Korea and will fuck your terran shit up.

On January 17 2012 12:20 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I love the apologists trying to justify why a good Korean player lost to a white dude.

He lost to a white dude because the white dude is the best Protoss outside of Korea and will fuck your terran shit up.

On January 17 2012 11:03 Pokebunny wrote:
Can people stop acting as if just because something is online and cross server it's an invalid game?

The distance from Poland to California and Korea to California is roughly the same, and I'd argue that it favors Korea due to better internet service. Koreans with fast internet really don't feel that much delay, only certain ISPs / weak internet really have trouble (according to HwangSin, when he got new internet he felt almost 0 delay on NA). Europeans do have quite a bit of delay on NA, at least, certainly less than NA to Europe (as the EU server is in western europe and east coast americans really have very little delay).

MaNa played well and deserved the win. No point in arguing who is overall the better player, you're never gonna come to a conclusion. Both are great players, both played well, MaNa won.

If GanZi didn't want to take the match seriously, he wouldn't play. Obviously he's not preparing as hard for this as for GSL, but a Bo9 for $500 is pretty good time:money return when we see korean players (sometimes code A/S like TSL_aLive, RevivaL, etc) competing in playhem dailies over four hours for $50.

On January 21 2012 20:03 lastshadow wrote:


They do not take these matches seriously, I promise you that. And they join the dailies for fun with friends/to steal money from foreigners (Back when dongraegu came over for a playhem once back in September he told me "I come steal american money." and was laughing, it was also why all Koreans in the ProS house would play them, for friendly-fun within the house and side-betting going on like "who can make it further" etc, but ultimately they found it humorous playing vs foreigners. They might take it serious if the foreigner is someone super famous (e.g: IdrA, Huk, NaNiwa, etc) but that's about it.

About the lag, different homes in Korea are affected differently, MVP A used to go to ProS to play ANY foreign tournaments because it had slightly better delay. Same with how PsW has VPN's for NA etc and how MVP's main-house is god awful.