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Let's have a nice clean LR thread folks! Beware that moderation will probably be stricter than usual, balance whine, player bashing and trolling will not be tolerated!
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
January 11 2012 13:05 GMT
#4701
On January 11 2012 22:03 devPLEASE wrote:
The results are too obvious. Anyone who thought otherwiswe… well go to ya buddy. Anyway, hopefully NesTea can win this season. He beat Mvp in a best of 3. Gonna watch later. Sad or IdrA though.


Just make sure you watch, or have watched, MVP vs Lucky series. Thats the only series I actually recommend tonight.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
January 11 2012 13:05 GMT
#4702
it`s not that impressive, but my predictions turned out correct :D good to see nestea winning again.
keep it deep! @zulison
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
January 11 2012 13:05 GMT
#4703
On January 11 2012 21:57 Jigsetcza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:53 DarKcS wrote:
Sigh hate to bring out the balance card but in that situation Zerg needs maxxed brood + defense (fungal+corruptor) to break Terran and when he does that he can no longer split or have muta balls to stop marine drops in which case at high levels (even high diamond) they can just keep dropping until you lose all your tech and economy...


"Let's have a nice clean LR thread folks! Beware that moderation will probably be stricter than usual, balance whine, player bashing and trolling will not be tolerated!"

Did you seriously not see these words at the top?


We're discussing the games here and what Lucky (zergs) can do in certain situations. He didn't posted a one-line "TERRAN IS OP".

Tell us what to discuss please, if we're not allowed to talk about the games.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#4704
I just realised Idra and Huk might meet in the Code A Ro32.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_A
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
January 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#4705
nuking the larvae so lucky couldnt re-max easily won mvp the game

mvp's strategic thinking is on another level
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
January 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#4706
Overall Lucky should be pleased with his performance today. He is a better player than i thought. Idra should not be disappointed because imo he just isnt good enough and if he understands that and works hard he might have a shot at getting back in code s through code a. It would be interesting to see some kind of practise schedule from a foreigner like idra and compare it to some of the koreans.
TheBamf
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark366 Posts
January 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#4707
Hot diggidy! The games today were insane.
IM.Nestea | IM.MvP | MvP.DongRaeGu. | Genius | ST.Parting I SlayerS.MMA
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 13:08:08
January 11 2012 13:06 GMT
#4708
On January 11 2012 22:04 NipponBanzai wrote:
No kidding. Zergs can remax quickly with a decent bank. What does that have to do with lucky being behind all game?


I'm just saying that Lucky's bank is one of several factors to consider when determining how far behind he was moving into the late game (post max).
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
January 11 2012 13:07 GMT
#4709
MVP's TvZ is still shaky.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
January 11 2012 13:07 GMT
#4710
This MVP guy has a lot of potential.
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 13:09:14
January 11 2012 13:07 GMT
#4711
When will zerg figure out this MVP late game style..? There's no excuse for having 5k minerals and yet not making multiple spores and spines around every base to stop that mass nuke play + drops from tearing your economy and production apart. Lucky stopped the first few ghosts then I guess he got cocky so he didn't build spores/spines in the obvious spots and then the ghosts and drops started owning him hard losing his tech structures, drones, larva and hatcheries multiple times. He could have spent 1/10th the cost of what he lost on spines/spores and been perfectly safe.
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
January 11 2012 13:07 GMT
#4712
MVP is just on another level. After yesterday's and today's games, I'm definitely more impressed by MVP than ForGG, despite the fact that the latter gets five times the hype for being the better BW player.

The elephant is, for now, dead.
in a state of trance
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
January 11 2012 13:07 GMT
#4713
Thors do 4 attacks of 6 damage each (12 vs light). Corrupters have 2 armor, so in total those attacks from thors are only going to do 16 in total, not factoring in armor and damage upgrades. I believe it was the snipes on the corrupters more than the thor damage that killed the corrupters. And after that it just went downhill.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
January 11 2012 13:07 GMT
#4714
On January 11 2012 22:02 R!! wrote:
Another thing, lucky had a lot of spines but not enough spores, once the terran reaches a high number of ghosts he also can't attack, he has to wait for the attack to come to him or harass with nukes, but spores everywhere prevent that, darkforce beat mvp using way more ghosts than he had in this game.


If I know the game you're talking about from the Geforce tournament, MVP was WAYYY behind in that game and almost won still(it could of been an actual draw if he floated one of his barracks)..... So it doesn't really apply here, where MVP was at a significant advantage....
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
January 11 2012 13:07 GMT
#4715
why not brood/queens? If he can snipe, you can surely heal
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
January 11 2012 13:08 GMT
#4716
On January 11 2012 22:04 ChaosTerran wrote:
baneling/roach is actually how you beat mass ghosts lategame, you don't have to believe me, but ghosts are awful against both these units and 3/3 roaches eat planetaries and tanks alive in the lategame.


Cool story but why does the zerg have 3/3 roaches? At most they'll have 3 armour but 0 range.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 11 2012 13:08 GMT
#4717
On January 11 2012 22:06 TheBB wrote:
I just realised Idra and Huk might meet in the Code A Ro32.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_1/Code_A


Don't worry, Avenge will take care of Idra before that. :p
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 13:10:21
January 11 2012 13:08 GMT
#4718
On January 11 2012 22:02 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:57 BrassMonkey27 wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:56 bittman wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:54 Sub40APM wrote:
On January 11 2012 21:52 LittLeD wrote:
An hive-tech energy-regeneration upgrade for infestor...hmm? Im just shooting ideas here but I think something feels slightly shewed in these late-game scenarios for zerg against a bazillion ghosts.

BTW, AMAAAAZING game and play from MVP. He simply is the god among men.

yah i mean, if you let terran to turrtle up to 20 ghosts...what can you do


Banelings. Ghosts don't outrun blings.

Of course that's only from what I've seen in non MVP games. I'm yet to see MVP lose lategame TvZ with ghosts...



But then tanks are a problem. I'm fairly sure tanks counter banelings, correct?


As a transition from a big battle with BL's, usually even if the BL's have died they've at least lessened tank numbers (or done 0 damage) and terran will now have a lot of vikings.

Of course pure bling isn't what I'm saying, someone suggested ultra bling which sounds good. Ultra takes tank shots, blings get ghosts. Roach infestor bling might work as well.

But to backtrack a little bit, I do agree that ghosts might be too advantageous currently in TvZ lategame. I just think that given it's still a rare occurrence we probably haven't seen properly fleshed out counters develop from top Zerg players. Instead they all continue to look lost. More famously so Nestea at Blizzcon and July in GSL September/October. But as MVP is almost the only TvZ player we see this from, and even then 1 game in a series, it's hard to see proper counters being developed and put into action yet.


So, if I may ask, what do you propose that a Terran does in late game scenarios like the game prior where Corrupters provided perfect air dominance and a meching Terran was not able to get to the brood lords to stop the final zerg army?

Infestors/Corrupter/Brood Lord seems like it would have no counter in that scenario, because Fungal counters both Marines and Vikings.

What do you think a Terran can do to win in that situation?
KT FlaSh FOREVER
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
January 11 2012 13:08 GMT
#4719
On January 11 2012 22:01 blacksheepwall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 21:59 NipponBanzai wrote:
Lolwut? Do you people even play this game? I can bank a ton of fucking money and still be behind in macro, army size and composition, tech, any number of things.


It matters when progressing into the late-game where both players have already maxed. Having a bank allows you to remax faster (given that you've macro'd correctly also so you have the correct production facilities to quickly remax).

Which lucky didn't have....(All his larvae was nuked like 1 million times)
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ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 13:12:33
January 11 2012 13:08 GMT
#4720
On January 11 2012 22:08 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 22:04 ChaosTerran wrote:
baneling/roach is actually how you beat mass ghosts lategame, you don't have to believe me, but ghosts are awful against both these units and 3/3 roaches eat planetaries and tanks alive in the lategame.


Cool story but why does the zerg have 3/3 roaches? At most they'll have 3 armour but 0 range.


Yeah, why the hell would the zerg have 3/3 upgrades lategame.... how absurd!
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