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Let's have a nice clean LR thread folks! Beware that moderation will probably be stricter than usual, balance whine, player bashing and trolling will not be tolerated! | ||
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R!!
Brazil938 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:13 Leetley wrote: If the zerg makes ultras, the terran will also make marauders. Ghosts paired with marauders + tanks demolish any army with high amount of ultras. Tech switch?The ultras are supposed to instantly kill the terran that made too many ghosts and has less of everything else. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:07 iky43210 wrote: why not brood/queens? If he can snipe, you can surely heal queens get EMPed and then they can`t heal. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:14 snafoo wrote: ..... Snipe is instant cast..... Terran queues it up and the broods instantly die, you dont get a chance to HEAL..... when someone has 30+ ghosts, it's not hard to blanket EMP them.... you'e over exaggerating it, they don't instantly die, and snipe also have a load time. please watch any snipe vs brood battle again, certainly there is enough time for pros to react If terran can afford 30 ghosts, who says you can't match him with 30 queens? Not including how hard it is to emp a queen 17 yards away anyway | ||
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l3ird
United States368 Posts
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:12 iky43210 wrote: snipe is 25 energy for 45 dmg, heal is 50 energy for 125 hp. I don't see any problem? As for emp, you probably have never tried emping a queen. They're fatter than infestors and much harder to do since they can transfuse far behind broodlord line. In best scenario, 17 yards away from your ghosts. GL trying to get over there DPS is easier than healing. I'd like to repeat, individually healing your units is really hard!! | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:12 PureBalls wrote: Well, its late game. So whats stopping a zerg from dropping like 4 infestors full with energy, spaming infested teranns, and crushing tech buildings? Infested terrans have SICK DPS, so they take building down in no time. I think it all comes down to zergs not being used to harassing their enemies. You don't think that might have something to do with the fact that 4 infestors cost 600 gas and 8 marines cost 0? There is a huge difference between losing a marine drop and losing an infestor drop. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:12 PureBalls wrote: Well, its late game. So whats stopping a zerg from dropping like 4 infestors full with energy, spaming infested teranns, and crushing tech buildings? Infested terrans have SICK DPS, so they take building down in no time. I think it all comes down to zergs not being used to harassing their enemies. Problem is you can lift whatever building and run away (plus repair if you need to) from infested terrans before they can kill anything unless you use a ridiculous amount. Not to mention planetaries or tanks easily stop this. Better off fungaling SCVs, but by that point he doesn't really have many SCVs just mass mules >,< Also Terran usually has vikings at this point and can easily snipe dropping overlords, infestors cost a lot of gas and are too risky to lose, while marines are nearly free.. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:15 R!! wrote: Tech switch?The ultras are supposed to instantly kill the terran that made too many ghosts and has less of everything else. He had no larva to "tech switch".. I don't know why so many people in this thread seem to think ultra vs ghost/PF/tank(and potentially BC) is good AT ALL for ultra..... lol | ||
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R!!
Brazil938 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:12 snafoo wrote: Juily vs MVP Xigua vs MVP and probably some more are some examples of snipe vs Ultralisk, also realise that it wont only be snipes killing the ultras: +3 attack tanks and PF's (MVP had three in this game where his army was. MVP is much much better than both of these guys and its pretty hard to make ultras work on metal by attacking the gold base area, they die before they get there( I remember those games). | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:15 iky43210 wrote: you'e over exaggerating it, they don't instantly die, and snipe also have a load time. please watch any snipe vs brood battle again, certainly there is enough time for pros to react If terran can afford 30 ghosts, who says you can't match him with 30 queens? Not including how hard it is to emp a queen 17 yards away anyway What.... I've watch plenty of Snipe battles.... I think you need to watch more -_- | ||
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Leetley
1796 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:17 zerious wrote: MVP's late game management is probably the best in SC2. So fucking good ^_^ No kidding, he has everything he needs in a right time. He is so accurate with his timings, though he had alot of spare time in that last game. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:18 R!! wrote: MVP is much much better than both of these guys and its pretty hard to make ultras work on metal by attacking the gold base area, they die before they get there( I remember those games). It would be the exact same as this map, three planetaries in the middle like he had mean ultras are going to get rolled... | ||
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ElBlanco
Australia140 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:18 snafoo wrote: He had no larva to "tech switch".. I don't know why so many people in this thread seem to think ultra vs ghost/PF/tank(and potentially BC) is good AT ALL for ultra..... lol TBH late game i'm not sure that ultras are good against much at all. I understand the theory behind forcing vikings and then going ultras but honestly i just think terran has so many ways of dealing with them. That late in the game i think if the zerg is building ultras the terran is probably pretty happy. | ||
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eccokk
Germany38 Posts
obviously good play from mvp but how people can not see how ridiculous the game gets once it enters these stages is beyound me. terran bases are 100% untouchable while nuking and cleaning up with free 3/3 marines will cripple the zerg no matter what. the fact that no unit compositon can beat ghost tank viking is not even the main problem lol. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:18 snafoo wrote: What.... I've watch plenty of Snipe battles.... I think you need to watch more -_- Snipes don't kill instantly. It's fast but not 200 hp to 0 in 0.5 sec. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
And yes while in theory Ultra's would tank snipes and banes would blow into ghosts, what's to prevent MVP from spreading his ghosts, out such that it takes 3-4 banes to kill a ghost, all the while ghosts taking 0 splash from ultras from being spread, and also getting healed by medivacs. A terran can just have his ghosts spread and just focus fire the banes first, and then snipe the ultras, ghosts can afford to tank some hits from ultras thanks to heal. And again, ling, bling, ultra is still going to do terrible attacking into a position fortified by tanks, thors and multiple planetaries with building armor upgrade, on top of the ghosts. Lastly, the reason many zergs probably don't know how to handle this style is because this kind of super late game only pops up once in a blue moon. | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:15 iky43210 wrote: you'e over exaggerating it, they don't instantly die, and snipe also have a load time. please watch any snipe vs brood battle again, certainly there is enough time for pros to react If terran can afford 30 ghosts, who says you can't match him with 30 queens? Not including how hard it is to emp a queen 17 yards away anyway Please stop. Suggesting zerg to get 30 queens in late game. I hope you're trolling, you can't be that + Show Spoiler + nvm, I'm avoiding the ban trap  | ||
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ChaosTerran
Austria844 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On January 11 2012 22:18 snafoo wrote: What.... I've watch plenty of Snipe battles.... I think you need to watch more -_- you've fogged memory, here's a recent one I found. From a master perspective, I know for sure I can react to the speed brood is dropping. That is also with a ton of viking volley that shoud've been taken care and soak by corruptors. If it was ghost alone, I don't see why pros can't counter act it. I also play zerg, I know transfuse is really hard. Doesn't mean its not doable, thats why there are pros and then there's us. | ||
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