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HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 15 2012 18:11 GMT
#2561
wow Grubby, holy upgrades. Seems like Grubby is in Rets head hehe. I love starcraft:D
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 15 2012 18:11 GMT
#2562
On January 16 2012 03:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
This is a really cool build to throw out in a bo5 occasionally from Grubby, dual forge upgrades have paid off thus far


Pretty common build in PvT in the Korean scene.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 15 2012 18:12 GMT
#2563
On January 16 2012 03:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Mass roach into loss.

the upgrades really lost the game imo
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 18:12:52
January 15 2012 18:12 GMT
#2564
On January 16 2012 03:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
This is a really cool build to throw out in a bo5 occasionally from Grubby, dual forge upgrades have paid off thus far


Pretty common build in PvT in the Korean scene.

It's my standard build in PvT, it's pretty common in the matchup in general. Dual Forge and a greedy third is not particularly standard against Zergs anywhere
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 15 2012 18:12 GMT
#2565
On January 16 2012 03:11 JohnMatrix wrote:
"omg blink stalkers are op what can zergs do against this >_>"


lol John
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
January 15 2012 18:12 GMT
#2566
On January 16 2012 03:11 JohnMatrix wrote:
"omg blink stalkers are op what can zergs do against this >_>"


Fungal + upgraded units crush blink stalkers.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
January 15 2012 18:12 GMT
#2567
--- Nuked ---
Cubeface
Profile Joined April 2011
965 Posts
January 15 2012 18:13 GMT
#2568
Grubby loves his Stalkers :D
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
January 15 2012 18:13 GMT
#2569
On January 16 2012 03:07 wangstra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:05 renlynn wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:59 dani` wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:58 Bashion wrote:
37k viewers is crazy oO

Homestory cup was hitting 40k in the first couple days

More crazy is the low activity in this thread, given that number of viewers O_O


a lot of TB fans don't follow the sc2 scene much and just watch these games because they like TB's casting


Why are they TB fans then? Does he do other work besides SC2?


Yes, he does. He got a lot of fans because of wow, for example.
I've got moves like Jagger
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
January 15 2012 18:13 GMT
#2570
On January 16 2012 03:10 Noocta wrote:
3-2-3 at 20min.
wow

That's what the upgrades patch buff and chrono can give you.

QXC made an excellent post on his teams site about the fact that Chrono doesn't cause a big upgrade advantage, but rather the fact that Terran (or in this case, Zerg) start upgrading later than protoss leads to the disadvantage. If Ret had done a double Evo play he would have barely trailed in upgrades.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 15 2012 18:14 GMT
#2571
On January 16 2012 03:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 16 2012 03:10 Wombat_NI wrote:
This is a really cool build to throw out in a bo5 occasionally from Grubby, dual forge upgrades have paid off thus far


Pretty common build in PvT in the Korean scene.

It's my standard build in PvT, it's pretty common in the matchup in general. Dual Forge and a greedy third is not particularly standard against Zergs anywhere


Inca loves to do this if he can determine that the zerg will be playing passive. That or if he's playing Bomber. :D
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
jrdn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States132 Posts
January 15 2012 18:14 GMT
#2572
On January 16 2012 03:13 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:10 Noocta wrote:
3-2-3 at 20min.
wow

That's what the upgrades patch buff and chrono can give you.

QXC made an excellent post on his teams site about the fact that Chrono doesn't cause a big upgrade advantage, but rather the fact that Terran (or in this case, Zerg) start upgrading later than protoss leads to the disadvantage. If Ret had done a double Evo play he would have barely trailed in upgrades.

Do you have link by any chance?
“The sole purpose of an opening is to achieve a playable midgame”
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
January 15 2012 18:14 GMT
#2573
this is pretty awesome music lol. reminds me of TMNT on the SNES
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 15 2012 18:14 GMT
#2574
On January 16 2012 03:13 Bashion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:07 wangstra wrote:
On January 16 2012 03:05 renlynn wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:59 dani` wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:58 Bashion wrote:
37k viewers is crazy oO

Homestory cup was hitting 40k in the first couple days

More crazy is the low activity in this thread, given that number of viewers O_O


a lot of TB fans don't follow the sc2 scene much and just watch these games because they like TB's casting


Why are they TB fans then? Does he do other work besides SC2?


Yes, he does. He got a lot of fans because of wow, for example.


TB make so much money becuase of what he does on youtube that he could buy a small island:D

He is extremely popular and gets so many fans to watch starcraft
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
January 15 2012 18:15 GMT
#2575
On January 16 2012 03:07 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:05 nihlon wrote:
On January 16 2012 03:03 Noocta wrote:
On January 16 2012 03:00 Onos wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:58 Bagi wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:54 cursor wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:52 clusen wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:47 cursor wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:45 Everlong wrote:
Wonder how the new warhound will fit mech instead of Thor.. A bit worried, it might be good TvP, but TvZ - it's got shorter range and Terrans are going to be so weaker to tech switches I guess..

Man. That unit. When Terran sieges up a position with tanks in mech style, just convert half of the Hellions to those things. The position will just be that much tougher to break. It's fucking ridiculous actually.

That are battle hellions, he means the mini thors

Ya, I caught that. Those warhounds are too fast, looks ridiculous. The idea of thors is to have 1 at each base or a couple left behind to deal with muta Counter pushes. But they just had to make a more mobile version because 90% of people were too dumb to figure that out, so they just made em faster for better 1 hotkey action.

Well, thors are actually pretty solid against ground targets as well but these warhounds would have absolutely no use besides shooting clumped up mutalisks. They get bonus damage against mechanical ground targets and are most likely terrible against biological.

So you get a mini-thor that is useless against any zerg ground unit, seems like a nerf overall to me. In fact I can't justify making them in TvZ if they remain in their current form.


We can assume that they will be less population than thors. If you can get 3 for 2 pop, like goliaths most likely, I suspect that they will be better than thors.



Their ground attack will only be good against mechanical unit. Zerg don't have any. :-(

So make more than one type of unit?

Why make an unit that is only useful against one single unit in the zerg army when you can just make marines instead?


Your wrists hurt?

LOLs. I hope you got the reference.
Gameplay > Personality
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
January 15 2012 18:15 GMT
#2576
On January 16 2012 03:14 jrdn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:13 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
On January 16 2012 03:10 Noocta wrote:
3-2-3 at 20min.
wow

That's what the upgrades patch buff and chrono can give you.

QXC made an excellent post on his teams site about the fact that Chrono doesn't cause a big upgrade advantage, but rather the fact that Terran (or in this case, Zerg) start upgrading later than protoss leads to the disadvantage. If Ret had done a double Evo play he would have barely trailed in upgrades.

Do you have link by any chance?

Here you go.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
January 15 2012 18:15 GMT
#2577
On January 16 2012 03:07 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:05 nihlon wrote:
On January 16 2012 03:03 Noocta wrote:
On January 16 2012 03:00 Onos wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:58 Bagi wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:54 cursor wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:52 clusen wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:47 cursor wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:45 Everlong wrote:
Wonder how the new warhound will fit mech instead of Thor.. A bit worried, it might be good TvP, but TvZ - it's got shorter range and Terrans are going to be so weaker to tech switches I guess..

Man. That unit. When Terran sieges up a position with tanks in mech style, just convert half of the Hellions to those things. The position will just be that much tougher to break. It's fucking ridiculous actually.

That are battle hellions, he means the mini thors

Ya, I caught that. Those warhounds are too fast, looks ridiculous. The idea of thors is to have 1 at each base or a couple left behind to deal with muta Counter pushes. But they just had to make a more mobile version because 90% of people were too dumb to figure that out, so they just made em faster for better 1 hotkey action.

Well, thors are actually pretty solid against ground targets as well but these warhounds would have absolutely no use besides shooting clumped up mutalisks. They get bonus damage against mechanical ground targets and are most likely terrible against biological.

So you get a mini-thor that is useless against any zerg ground unit, seems like a nerf overall to me. In fact I can't justify making them in TvZ if they remain in their current form.


We can assume that they will be less population than thors. If you can get 3 for 2 pop, like goliaths most likely, I suspect that they will be better than thors.



Their ground attack will only be good against mechanical unit. Zerg don't have any. :-(

So make more than one type of unit?

Why make an unit that is only useful against one single unit in the zerg army when you can just make marines instead?
Why make up your mind now on a unit when we aren't even in beta? You can't possible imagine any circumstances where you can incorporate the warhound against zerg? Saying they aren't good against zerg ground is just mindless theorycrafting.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 15 2012 18:17 GMT
#2578
On January 16 2012 03:13 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:10 Noocta wrote:
3-2-3 at 20min.
wow

That's what the upgrades patch buff and chrono can give you.

QXC made an excellent post on his teams site about the fact that Chrono doesn't cause a big upgrade advantage, but rather the fact that Terran (or in this case, Zerg) start upgrading later than protoss leads to the disadvantage. If Ret had done a double Evo play he would have barely trailed in upgrades.


Yeah i know. I read the qxc blog.
Still impressive that you can get 5 upgrades in 20min.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
January 15 2012 18:17 GMT
#2579
On January 16 2012 03:05 renlynn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 02:59 dani` wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:58 Bashion wrote:
37k viewers is crazy oO

Homestory cup was hitting 40k in the first couple days

More crazy is the low activity in this thread, given that number of viewers O_O


a lot of TB fans don't follow the sc2 scene much and just watch these games because they like TB's casting


If thats the case, you could say TB is "growing e-sports!"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27207 Posts
January 15 2012 18:17 GMT
#2580
On January 16 2012 03:13 Jacobs Ladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 03:10 Noocta wrote:
3-2-3 at 20min.
wow

That's what the upgrades patch buff and chrono can give you.

QXC made an excellent post on his teams site about the fact that Chrono doesn't cause a big upgrade advantage, but rather the fact that Terran (or in this case, Zerg) start upgrading later than protoss leads to the disadvantage. If Ret had done a double Evo play he would have barely trailed in upgrades.

I think the reason it's a viable/standard build PvT isn't just that but more that it's actually viable to build a lot of zealots in the matchup in the early/midgame and get your tech up with the excess gas, possible while off 2 bases.

Grubby took an early third in that game double forging because vs Zerg you need a lot of gas-intensive units and higher tech, if you add dual forge upgrades you NEED those extra gases at the third.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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