[IPL TAC] Quantic IM vs. Team Liquid (Day 4) - Page 5

On December 08 2011 14:44 Talin wrote:


Obviously they're unlikely to come out, but your general argumentation is flawed anyway.

The players don't play games with their "average level of skill in meaningful matches displayed over a long period of time". They play their games with motivation, preparation and level of form that they show up with on that ONE specific day - and that is far from predictable for any player at this point, especially when it isn't a premier tournament.

You should never base your predictions around someone's average results and perceived level of skill, because that doesn't take context and situation into account, which means you're ignoring relevant information. These team leagues especially are all about preparation (which is why Slayers wins so much, because they're an organized team and take it seriously). The level of play that mvp and NesTea show in GSLs is almost completely irrelevant here.

On December 08 2011 12:19 Talin wrote:


Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell.

Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too.

On December 08 2011 15:05 Qaatar wrote:


Okay, we have different definitions of "average level of skill." Mine also includes relevant contextual information, and only recent form. Not "over a long period of time." Same argument still applies to the MVP/Haypro case. Yes, MVP appeared to not have a great TvZ at MLG, but none of us knew what Haypro's form was at the time, and most people would have readily assumed that even with MVP's C game in his TvZ, it should still be good enough to beat Haypro. And, to tie into "average level of skill" in this case, MVP is known to be extremely consistent, and Haypro is known to not be consistent at all. Thus, "average level of skill" is extremely pertinent to players such as Haypro and MVP.

Note, this is not "perceived," as I actually study MVP's replays, and have seen Haypro's as well. I'm assuming it also includes context and situations that we, as viewers, know about. For example, perhaps DRG lost to Naniwa at MLG due to his food poisoning from Taco Bell, but none of us knew about that incident during the time of the games. Thus, all we saw was DRG playing like shit. Another example would be NesTea's recent form - I certainly wasn't expecting him to do well at MLG at all. All of these things tie into what I define as "average level of skill," because I'm assuming that recent form and player condition are inherent in the practical definition of skill. Skill as defined by anything else is meaningless, since theoretical maximums from a player practicing at home in his underwear are never seen by the viewers, except for on player streams that are irrelevant to tournament success.

On December 08 2011 17:22 Battousai13 wrote:
If hayprO is in form like he was at Providence, I have high confidence in Liquid. As many have stated, Nestea and Mvp benefit the most from preparation. I feel like many of the Liquid players are much better thinking on their feet (HerO and TLO come to mind). I think the creativity in their play will be their biggest advantage against QIM.

All that being said though, I'm hoping for the Banjo to all-kill! :D

On December 08 2011 03:46 MuK_x wrote:
QIM? who?

TL 5-0 ezpz.

banjo all kill QIM's like in MLG.

On December 08 2011 20:13 Sbrubbles wrote:
IM has no chance.

First page said it best:

On December 09 2011 07:25 Zzoram wrote:
Is Naniwa on the roster for QxG now?