When: Friday, Dec 09 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Dec 09 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 8 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for the Winners Round of 8. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop down into the Losers Bracket. Keep in mind that this has a $10,000 prize pool, and only three teams will make it to the money!
Quantic Incredible Miracle will be playing all of IPL Team Arena Challenge as one team, as they had accepted together and both agreed to finish the tournament as one team. Obviously they have some incredible players in MVP, NesTea, SaSe, and others that have all-kill potential. Team Liquid, however, is boasting some very excellent results in the last few events outside of South Korea with HerO winning DreamHack and reaching the grand final of NASL, with most of their roster having South Korean training experience. Here are their full rosters:
Team Liquid Jinro HerO Tyler HayprO TLO Ret Sheth Zenio
The First Game of the IPL Team Arena Challenge is on Friday, Dec 09 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Friday, Dec 09 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
SaSe < Daybreak > Jinro SaSe < Metalopolis > Sheth SaSe < Xel'Naga Fortress > Tyler SaSe < Antiga Shipyard > Ret SaSe < Tal'Darim Altar > HerO Congratulations to SaSe for the All-Kill!! QIM moves on to WR2, and Liquid falls to LR1!
Map List
Xel'Naga Caverns Metalopolis Shakuras Plateau Crevasse Tal Darim Altar Dual Sight Xel'Naga Fortress Terminus Shattered Temple Daybreak Antiga Shipyard
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas, HDStarCraft, and/or PainUser
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On December 08 2011 03:47 Choboo wrote: Are Quantic and IM still playing together in this tournament?
Quantic Incredible Miracle will be playing all of IPL Team Arena Challenge as one team, as they had accepted together and both agreed to finish the tournament as one team.
Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
Quantic Incredible Miracle will be playing all of IPL Team Arena Challenge as one team, as they had accepted together and both agreed to finish the tournament as one team.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
3 wins for Liquid at best if they get good matchups and IM is overconfident the way the were against FXO in the GSTL. Expecting a 5-1 for QIM, with Liquid's only win coming against Sase.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
MVP 2-1 Haypro 2-0 Hero 2-1 Hero
NesTea 1-2 Haypro 2-0 Sheth
Losira 2-0 Hero 2-1 Haypro 2-0 TLO Looks to me like Hero's PvZ is beatable.
NesTea lost to Haypro yes. NesTea also had to climb through the open bracket, no? Pretty sure that was his first experience at a grueling lan event.
And really? Happy and MVP are definitely the favorites against any Zerg the TL Roster. Happy has a 88% (15-2) winrate against GSL level Zergs, while MVP is... MVP. You point out Haypro beating NesTea, but I could point out he's lost to far less superior players than NesTea, while NesTea still is 25-2 (ZvZ) in the GSL/Korea TLPD, so that doesn't exactly mean he is still on the same level as NesTea.
Last I saw, Ret lost to ThorZaiN 2-1 and Puma 2-0, and I'm pretty sure those two are not above MVP/Happy in skill level.
Seriously, if there was a clanwar of those 4 players (plus maybe Yong or Seed) vs TL, you would have a 99% chance of IM winning. There's a difference between a GSL Code S finalist and someone who gets knocked out in the first two rounds of Code A.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
MVP 2-1 Haypro 2-0 Hero 2-1 Hero
NesTea 1-2 Haypro 2-0 Sheth
Losira 2-0 Hero 2-1 Haypro 2-0 TLO Looks to me like Hero's PvZ is beatable.
NesTea lost to Haypro yes. NesTea also had to climb through the open bracket, no? Pretty sure that was his first experience at a grueling lan event.
And really? Happy and MVP are definitely the favorites against any Zerg the TL Roster. Happy has a 88% (15-2) winrate against GSL level Zergs, while MVP is... MVP. You point out Haypro beating NesTea, but I could point out he's lost to far less superior players than NesTea, while NesTea still is 25-2 (ZvZ) in the GSL/Korea TLPD, so that doesn't exactly mean he is still on the same level as NesTea.
Last I saw, Ret lost to ThorZaiN 2-1 and Puma 2-0, and I'm pretty sure those two are not above MVP/Happy in skill level.
Seriously, if there was a clanwar of those 4 players (plus maybe Yong or Seed) vs TL, you would have a 99% chance of IM winning. There's a difference between a GSL Code S finalist and someone who gets knocked out in the first two rounds of Code A.
MVPTAiLS beat NesTea and MVP in GSTL.
NaNiWa beat MVP and NesTea at MLG Inv.
They are knocked out in first two round of code A,you know right?
This will be very entertaining. I cannot see IM losing unless they decide to really mess around. Liquid is good, but that's compared to foreign teams. Even Destiny could realistically take games off of half of Liquid's roster. I like TL and what they do for the community, but let's not delude ourselves.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
We can do this all day, the fact of the matter is only one team has 7 GSL titles among its members.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
We can do this all day, the fact of the matter is only one team has 7 GSL titles among its members.
.......what team has 7 GSL Titles? MVP and NesTea have 3 a piece chief.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
We can do this all day, the fact of the matter is only one team has 7 GSL titles among its members.
Don't you mean 6 GSL titles? But I totally agree with you there. Liquid has almost no chance of winning.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
We can do this all day, the fact of the matter is only one team has 7 GSL titles among its members.
.......what team has 7 GSL Titles? MVP and NesTea have 3 a piece chief.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
......as much as I appreciate HerO's pvz, I would bet my money on losira every day. And ret against MVP...? Seriously? I don't care how much he wants terran blood but he'll be dominated.
Doesn't matter what team QIM puts up, Banjo all-kill for sure.
On a sillier note, TL will have a hard time if IM puts up a big gun (we're not going to see Nestea/MVP, guys but if Happy shows up it's crying time), it's going to be a bit hard. Definitely a good chance though, and I actually predict a pretty close (5-3 or 5-4) TL-win unless a big name from IM descends onto the battlefield to annihilate everything.
I am thoroughly enjoying all of these predictions, as are the rest of the guys in the eSports office. Keep them coming! Surely if we make enough predictions, someone will get it exactly right and look like a GENIUS!
On December 08 2011 05:39 Joshy.IGN wrote: I am thoroughly enjoying all of these predictions, as are the rest of the guys in the eSports office. Keep them coming! Surely if we make enough predictions, someone will get it exactly right and look like a GENIUS!
I'm going to put my eggs in the Tyler HerO all-kill basket.
Yea thought I saw MVP, NesTea, Losira, and Destiny under team QIM so yea funny joke bud we appreciate it I find it hard to believe anyone would go undefeated with those 4 players on the opposing team lol
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
Liquid can win this, especially because I don't think Nestea or MVP will play. IM is the obvious favorite though, but I just won't see this as a huge surprise if Liquid prevails. Crazier things have happened (like QXC all-killing IM including MVP xD)
It's pretty obvious that anyone saying "NesTea, MVP, Happy, LosirA LOL" didn't watch GSTL. First of all, NesTea almost absolutely refuses to play in GSTL, it's been said in interviews, etc. He doesn't like to play Team League because it denies him his greatest strength, which is preparation for specific opponents. NesTea's GSTL Season 1 record was a very impressive, almost bonjwa-esque 0-1.
Likewise, MVP has looked incredibly mortal in team leagues, I believe his GSTL Season 1 performance amounted to a whopping 1-2 record, a win against Doctor G in the playoffs, and losses to qxc and TAiLS.
LosirA and Happy are probably the two players we'll see from the high end of the IM side, both of whom can fall prey to HerO, who has amazing PvZ (although LosirA has insane ZvP). Happy has not looked good in TvP lately, with his most recent team league appearance being a loss to NsHSSan on Daybreak.
Liquid also holds an almost unknown card in their deck in the form of Zenio, who hasn't had many televised matches recently. Combine this with HayprO holding the possibility of taking out LosirA ZvZ I think the biggest worry after that would be SaSe, who could easily fall to HerO in PvP. All in all it's going to come down to when Liquid decides to toss out it's Korean powerhouses.
I don't think this will be nearly as one sided as people think.
On December 08 2011 06:01 VirgilSC2 wrote: It's pretty obvious that anyone saying "NesTea, MVP, Happy, LosirA LOL" didn't watch GSTL. First of all, NesTea almost absolutely refuses to play in GSTL, it's been said in interviews, etc. He doesn't like to play Team League because it denies him his greatest strength, which is preparation for specific opponents. NesTea's GSTL Season 1 record was a very impressive, almost bonjwa-esque 0-1.
Likewise, MVP has looked incredibly mortal in team leagues, I believe his GSTL Season 1 performance amounted to a whopping 1-2 record, a win against Doctor G in the playoffs, and losses to qxc and TAiLS.
LosirA and Happy are probably the two players we'll see from the high end of the IM side, both of whom can fall prey to HerO, who has amazing PvZ (although LosirA has insane ZvP). Happy has not looked good in TvP lately, with his most recent team league appearance being a loss to NsHSSan on Daybreak.
Liquid also holds an almost unknown card in their deck in the form of Zenio, who hasn't had many televised matches recently. Combine this with HayprO holding the possibility of taking out LosirA ZvZ I think the biggest worry after that would be SaSe, who could easily fall to HerO in PvP. All in all it's going to come down to when Liquid decides to toss out it's Korean powerhouses.
I don't think this will be nearly as one sided as people think.
lol i bet it will be very onesided, in the most surprising way possible
On December 08 2011 06:01 VirgilSC2 wrote: It's pretty obvious that anyone saying "NesTea, MVP, Happy, LosirA LOL" didn't watch GSTL. First of all, NesTea almost absolutely refuses to play in GSTL, it's been said in interviews, etc. He doesn't like to play Team League because it denies him his greatest strength, which is preparation for specific opponents. NesTea's GSTL Season 1 record was a very impressive, almost bonjwa-esque 0-1.
Likewise, MVP has looked incredibly mortal in team leagues, I believe his GSTL Season 1 performance amounted to a whopping 1-2 record, a win against Doctor G in the playoffs, and losses to qxc and TAiLS.
LosirA and Happy are probably the two players we'll see from the high end of the IM side, both of whom can fall prey to HerO, who has amazing PvZ (although LosirA has insane ZvP). Happy has not looked good in TvP lately, with his most recent team league appearance being a loss to NsHSSan on Daybreak.
Liquid also holds an almost unknown card in their deck in the form of Zenio, who hasn't had many televised matches recently. Combine this with HayprO holding the possibility of taking out LosirA ZvZ I think the biggest worry after that would be SaSe, who could easily fall to HerO in PvP. All in all it's going to come down to when Liquid decides to toss out it's Korean powerhouses.
I don't think this will be nearly as one sided as people think.
Losira is extremely accomplished in these team leagues, and Happy is also very good, capable of all-killing Liquid. Sure, the chances of Nestea and MVP coming out are slim, but the situation here is similar to Slayers: There are B-teamers on IM that most of us are not familiar with but nevetheless have huge talent. Who was Lots, who was Golden? Yet both these players have gotten All-kills against very respectable foreign teams. IM has lots of depth, and especially so because these players are overshadowed by Nestea or MVP.
We all are very familiar with Liquid's roster. Hero and Zenio are strong players, but Losira made quick work of Hero in the MLG global invite and Zenio is more of a ZvZ sniper with lackluster vP and vT. Ret and Sheth are not bad by foreign standards, and might take out a Korean or two. The rest of the roster is either frustratingly inconsistent or just does not stand a chance against the Koreans.
Would love to see Liquid win, but my rationality tells me QIM every time.
On December 08 2011 06:22 Zzoram wrote: Liquid badly needs a new Terran.
Jinro just needs to get back into top shape. Easier said than done, but this guy made it to the semis of two consecutive GSLs, and I really hope he gets better soon.
On December 08 2011 06:01 VirgilSC2 wrote: It's pretty obvious that anyone saying "NesTea, MVP, Happy, LosirA LOL" didn't watch GSTL. First of all, NesTea almost absolutely refuses to play in GSTL, it's been said in interviews, etc. He doesn't like to play Team League because it denies him his greatest strength, which is preparation for specific opponents. NesTea's GSTL Season 1 record was a very impressive, almost bonjwa-esque 0-1.
Likewise, MVP has looked incredibly mortal in team leagues, I believe his GSTL Season 1 performance amounted to a whopping 1-2 record, a win against Doctor G in the playoffs, and losses to qxc and TAiLS.
LosirA and Happy are probably the two players we'll see from the high end of the IM side, both of whom can fall prey to HerO, who has amazing PvZ (although LosirA has insane ZvP). Happy has not looked good in TvP lately, with his most recent team league appearance being a loss to NsHSSan on Daybreak.
Liquid also holds an almost unknown card in their deck in the form of Zenio, who hasn't had many televised matches recently. Combine this with HayprO holding the possibility of taking out LosirA ZvZ I think the biggest worry after that would be SaSe, who could easily fall to HerO in PvP. All in all it's going to come down to when Liquid decides to toss out it's Korean powerhouses.
I don't think this will be nearly as one sided as people think.
Yeah, Nestea and MvP won't be playing.
San's still pretty good at PvT.
Haypro's success at Providence is either a sign of great improvement or a titanic outlier. Don't be too quick to assume either.
Zenio is still bad unless he proves otherwise.
And don't forget the IM B-teamers (somewhat worse than other teams', but the biggest concern for Liquid).
On December 08 2011 06:22 Zzoram wrote: Liquid badly needs a new Terran.
Jinro just needs to get back into top shape. Easier said than done, but this guy made it to the semis of two consecutive GSLs, and I really hope he gets better soon.
Not saying Jinro can't make it back to the top, but I still think Liquid needs a stronger Terran player.
On December 08 2011 06:22 Zzoram wrote: Liquid badly needs a new Terran.
Jinro just needs to get back into top shape. Easier said than done, but this guy made it to the semis of two consecutive GSLs, and I really hope he gets better soon.
Not saying Jinro can't make it back to the top, but I still think Liquid needs a stronger Terran player.
On December 08 2011 06:22 Zzoram wrote: Liquid badly needs a new Terran.
Jinro just needs to get back into top shape. Easier said than done, but this guy made it to the semis of two consecutive GSLs, and I really hope he gets better soon.
Not saying Jinro can't make it back to the top, but I still think Liquid needs a stronger Terran player.
On December 08 2011 07:26 GettingIt wrote: I thought the Quantic IM partnership died. Does that mean this whole tournament has been played out already? Since the line up includes both teams.
Quantic Incredible Miracle will be playing all of IPL Team Arena Challenge as one team, as they had accepted together and both agreed to finish the tournament as one team.
Read! only the first round has been played so far according to CatsPyjamas
On December 08 2011 07:26 GettingIt wrote: I thought the Quantic IM partnership died. Does that mean this whole tournament has been played out already? Since the line up includes both teams.
I believe the matches in the RO8 have been played, but later rounds, including the finals, have not yet been played. Nevertheless, QIM will finish this tournament as 1 entity because they initially signed up for this tournament as 1 entity and want to see it through. So this may be the last time we see Destiny and MVP on the same team.
On December 08 2011 06:01 VirgilSC2 wrote: It's pretty obvious that anyone saying "NesTea, MVP, Happy, LosirA LOL" didn't watch GSTL. First of all, NesTea almost absolutely refuses to play in GSTL, it's been said in interviews, etc. He doesn't like to play Team League because it denies him his greatest strength, which is preparation for specific opponents. NesTea's GSTL Season 1 record was a very impressive, almost bonjwa-esque 0-1.
Likewise, MVP has looked incredibly mortal in team leagues, I believe his GSTL Season 1 performance amounted to a whopping 1-2 record, a win against Doctor G in the playoffs, and losses to qxc and TAiLS.
LosirA and Happy are probably the two players we'll see from the high end of the IM side, both of whom can fall prey to HerO, who has amazing PvZ (although LosirA has insane ZvP). Happy has not looked good in TvP lately, with his most recent team league appearance being a loss to NsHSSan on Daybreak.
Liquid also holds an almost unknown card in their deck in the form of Zenio, who hasn't had many televised matches recently. Combine this with HayprO holding the possibility of taking out LosirA ZvZ I think the biggest worry after that would be SaSe, who could easily fall to HerO in PvP. All in all it's going to come down to when Liquid decides to toss out it's Korean powerhouses.
I don't think this will be nearly as one sided as people think.
I don't disagree with you in saying that it will not be one sided. Team leagues like this are essentially a bunch of Bo1s strung together. There is a large amount of room for crazy things to happen and Bo1s are easiest for upsets. That being said, MVP, Nestea, Losira and Happy are almost unarguably better than anyone on liquid and therefore if they are played, QIM is automatically the favorite to win. On the other hand, I foresee a lot of quantic players playing and not alot of IM players playing. Who knows how this will turn out?
Its not fair 20 vs 5. they also have gsl winners -_-. the only chance liquid has is probably hero and Zenio. TLO beat nestea before and Jinro beat mc . They should get oGs together to make it fair :D
On December 08 2011 08:33 aintz wrote: im going with liquid on this one. most of the high caliber im players probably wont even play so it makes a liquid victory even more likely
Yeah but even the lower tier IM players are better than everybody except Hero, Zenio, and maybe ret. And the mid tier guys are easily on their level. Liquid will get anywhere from 1-4 wins, depending on who exactly IM puts out, but I highly doubt they win it
On December 08 2011 09:24 Itsmedudeman wrote: IM will definitely field out Losira and Happy if they have to, but I basically guarantee even if they're down they won't send out MVP and Nestea.
they wont send out happy or losira i guarantee it 100 percent they would rather send out yonghwa or whatever his name is instead of these 2 look at slayers never sent out anyone besides there code b players
On December 08 2011 09:24 Itsmedudeman wrote: IM will definitely field out Losira and Happy if they have to, but I basically guarantee even if they're down they won't send out MVP and Nestea.
they wont send out happy or losira i guarantee it 100 percent they would rather send out yonghwa or whatever his name is instead of these 2 look at slayers never sent out anyone besides there code b players
they will if it gets close to the ace match...if not ofc they won't...but they won't use mvp or nestea ...sometimes they don't even use them in gstl ... :D
On December 08 2011 09:24 Itsmedudeman wrote: IM will definitely field out Losira and Happy if they have to, but I basically guarantee even if they're down they won't send out MVP and Nestea.
they wont send out happy or losira i guarantee it 100 percent they would rather send out yonghwa or whatever his name is instead of these 2 look at slayers never sent out anyone besides there code b players
they will if it gets close to the ace match...if not ofc they won't...but they won't use mvp or nestea ...sometimes they don't even use them in gstl ... :D
i meant they wont use losira or happy even if they were on there 5th game and they were down by 4 theres no way there using 2 of there players in GSL theres a reason why they dont play online tourneys and such look at slayers for example when they used somebody they used alicia at the end really alicia? but they still won but really seriously alicia
I think QIM will probably play 2 foreigners and 2 Korean b-teamers, and save the last spot for a high level player.
If necessary their last player will probably be some high level player (Happy, MVP, NesTea). I don't think LosirA will play, as he has GSL Up-and-down matches to prepare for while Happy/MVP/NesTea all retain Code S.
Liquid players rarely get walked over and often can put up a good entertaining fight. Even if it is a 5-0 by IMYoda, the matches will still be entertaining.
yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy...
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL. Hero's lost to Losira before, and i hear that inka and sase are pretty damn good at PvP. Ret and Sheth both lost to Thorzain, and honestly Puma's TvZ is pretty mediocre for a high-level terran. did i mention that Happy trains with MVP, who is the god of TvT? and is one of the best mech users ever? honestly, if hero loses, TL loses.
On December 08 2011 10:07 aviator116 wrote: yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy...
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL.
Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell.
Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too.
On December 08 2011 10:07 aviator116 wrote: yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy...
oh yeah this shit made me laugh
On December 08 2011 04:13 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:04 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL.
Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell.
Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too.
I have no clue why we're arguing about MVP anyways, since the possibility of him actually playing is pretty small.
Yes, anyone can beat anyone in SC2. Doesn't mean that we should readily assume the possibility of such things occuring on even a semi-regular basis, as the previous poster who instigated this entire argument insinuates. Fact remains, the average level of skill that MVP displays in meaningful matches is far beyond the average level of skill displayed by Haypro. That's what people should be basing their judgments on, not the one day (or weekend, rather, as even MVP's 2-0 against Losira was extremely shaky) where Haypro played about to his utmost skill level, and MVP was below average in his TvZ.
On December 08 2011 10:07 aviator116 wrote: yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy...
oh yeah this shit made me laugh
On December 08 2011 04:13 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:04 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL.
Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell.
Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too.
I have no clue why we're arguing about MVP anyways, since the possibility of him actually playing is pretty small.
Yes, anyone can beat anyone in SC2. Doesn't mean that we should readily assume the possibility of such things occuring on even a semi-regular basis, as the previous poster who instigated this entire argument insinuates. Fact remains, the average level of skill that MVP displays in meaningful matches is far beyond the average level of skill displayed by Haypro. That's what people should be basing their judgments on, not the one day (or weekend, rather, as even MVP's 2-0 against Losira was extremely shaky) where Haypro played about to his utmost skill level, and MVP was below average in his TvZ.
Obviously they're unlikely to come out, but your general argumentation is flawed anyway.
The players don't play games with their "average level of skill in meaningful matches displayed over a long period of time". They play their games with motivation, preparation and level of form that they show up with on that ONE specific day - and that is far from predictable for any player at this point, especially when it isn't a premier tournament.
You should never base your predictions around someone's average results and perceived level of skill, because that doesn't take context and situation into account, which means you're ignoring relevant information. These team leagues especially are all about preparation (which is why Slayers wins so much, because they're an organized team and take it seriously). The level of play that mvp and NesTea show in GSLs is almost completely irrelevant here.
I think TL has a chance, only because IM never uses their aces on these type of matches. MVP/NesTea/Losira usually don't play at all. IF IM plays like this, TL MIGHT have a chance. May see a Happy allkill though, totally possible.
Maybe hero/zenio can take some games, but as soon as IM sees them they're bringing their big guns to take them out, while foreigners in TL are probably gonna die just as fast as the rest of the foreigners in this competition.
On December 08 2011 10:07 aviator116 wrote: yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy...
oh yeah this shit made me laugh
On December 08 2011 04:13 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:04 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL.
Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell.
Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too.
I have no clue why we're arguing about MVP anyways, since the possibility of him actually playing is pretty small.
Yes, anyone can beat anyone in SC2. Doesn't mean that we should readily assume the possibility of such things occuring on even a semi-regular basis, as the previous poster who instigated this entire argument insinuates. Fact remains, the average level of skill that MVP displays in meaningful matches is far beyond the average level of skill displayed by Haypro. That's what people should be basing their judgments on, not the one day (or weekend, rather, as even MVP's 2-0 against Losira was extremely shaky) where Haypro played about to his utmost skill level, and MVP was below average in his TvZ.
Obviously they're unlikely to come out, but your general argumentation is flawed anyway.
The players don't play games with their "average level of skill in meaningful matches displayed over a long period of time". They play their games with motivation, preparation and level of form that they show up with on that ONE specific day - and that is far from predictable for any player at this point, especially when it isn't a premier tournament.
You should never base your predictions around someone's average results and perceived level of skill, because that doesn't take context and situation into account, which means you're ignoring relevant information. These team leagues especially are all about preparation (which is why Slayers wins so much, because they're an organized team and take it seriously). The level of play that mvp and NesTea show in GSLs is almost completely irrelevant here.
Okay, we have different definitions of "average level of skill." Mine also includes relevant contextual information, and only recent form. Not "over a long period of time." Same argument still applies to the MVP/Haypro case. Yes, MVP appeared to not have a great TvZ at MLG, but none of us knew what Haypro's form was at the time, and most people would have readily assumed that even with MVP's C game in his TvZ, it should still be good enough to beat Haypro. And, to tie into "average level of skill" in this case, MVP is known to be extremely consistent, and Haypro is known to not be consistent at all. Thus, "average level of skill" is extremely pertinent to players such as Haypro and MVP.
Note, this is not "perceived," as I actually study MVP's replays, and have seen Haypro's as well. I'm assuming it also includes context and situations that we, as viewers, know about. For example, perhaps DRG lost to Naniwa at MLG due to his food poisoning from Taco Bell, but none of us knew about that incident during the time of the games. Thus, all we saw was DRG playing like shit. Another example would be NesTea's recent form - I certainly wasn't expecting him to do well at MLG at all. All of these things tie into what I define as "average level of skill," because I'm assuming that recent form and player condition are inherent in the practical definition of skill. Skill as defined by anything else is meaningless, since theoretical maximums from a player practicing at home in his underwear are never seen by the viewers, except for on player streams that are irrelevant to tournament success.
On December 08 2011 10:07 aviator116 wrote: yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy...
oh yeah this shit made me laugh
On December 08 2011 04:13 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:04 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL.
Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell.
Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too.
Liquid did not do terribly against Slayers, but they played the B team. It was a decent performance, but when Slayers brought out the big(ger) guns the next week against Mouz and the score was the same, it made Liquid look bad. (Of course subsequent teams helped redeem Liquid's image.)
Basically what I am saying is that even without Nestea and MVP, QIM is still such a stacked team compared to Liquid. Haypro played phenomenally at Providence, but he lacked the kill-instinct that many Koreans have: That is when to recognize weakness and finish the game. Haypro could have beaten MVP after clearing the first push in Game 3, but he did not have the gamesense to do so, instead continued to drone up even though his worker count was nearing 100 (possibly even over) and let MVP get back into the game. Haypro definitely showed his skill, but he also revealed deficiencies in his gamesense in that match (This same problem can be said about Ret.)
TL is just outmatched. They are great guys and everything, but personality alone will not win games. The game sense is not as acute as many of the Koreans.
jinro had a really turtly style in the esv with defensive planetary fortresses even before he was maxed out. I am eager to see how that strategy works out against a very good player!
On December 08 2011 10:07 aviator116 wrote: yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy...
oh yeah this shit made me laugh
On December 08 2011 04:13 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:08 SniXSniPe wrote:
On December 08 2011 04:04 MuK_x wrote:
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL.
Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell.
Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too.
I have no clue why we're arguing about MVP anyways, since the possibility of him actually playing is pretty small.
Yes, anyone can beat anyone in SC2. Doesn't mean that we should readily assume the possibility of such things occuring on even a semi-regular basis, as the previous poster who instigated this entire argument insinuates. Fact remains, the average level of skill that MVP displays in meaningful matches is far beyond the average level of skill displayed by Haypro. That's what people should be basing their judgments on, not the one day (or weekend, rather, as even MVP's 2-0 against Losira was extremely shaky) where Haypro played about to his utmost skill level, and MVP was below average in his TvZ.
Obviously they're unlikely to come out, but your general argumentation is flawed anyway.
The players don't play games with their "average level of skill in meaningful matches displayed over a long period of time". They play their games with motivation, preparation and level of form that they show up with on that ONE specific day - and that is far from predictable for any player at this point, especially when it isn't a premier tournament.
You should never base your predictions around someone's average results and perceived level of skill, because that doesn't take context and situation into account, which means you're ignoring relevant information. These team leagues especially are all about preparation (which is why Slayers wins so much, because they're an organized team and take it seriously). The level of play that mvp and NesTea show in GSLs is almost completely irrelevant here.
Okay, we have different definitions of "average level of skill." Mine also includes relevant contextual information, and only recent form. Not "over a long period of time." Same argument still applies to the MVP/Haypro case. Yes, MVP appeared to not have a great TvZ at MLG, but none of us knew what Haypro's form was at the time, and most people would have readily assumed that even with MVP's C game in his TvZ, it should still be good enough to beat Haypro. And, to tie into "average level of skill" in this case, MVP is known to be extremely consistent, and Haypro is known to not be consistent at all. Thus, "average level of skill" is extremely pertinent to players such as Haypro and MVP.
Note, this is not "perceived," as I actually study MVP's replays, and have seen Haypro's as well. I'm assuming it also includes context and situations that we, as viewers, know about. For example, perhaps DRG lost to Naniwa at MLG due to his food poisoning from Taco Bell, but none of us knew about that incident during the time of the games. Thus, all we saw was DRG playing like shit. Another example would be NesTea's recent form - I certainly wasn't expecting him to do well at MLG at all. All of these things tie into what I define as "average level of skill," because I'm assuming that recent form and player condition are inherent in the practical definition of skill. Skill as defined by anything else is meaningless, since theoretical maximums from a player practicing at home in his underwear are never seen by the viewers, except for on player streams that are irrelevant to tournament success.
Haypro has a really good tournament and mvp and nestea have a bad tournament and all of a sudden, haypro is some sort of gosu who could win Code S if he only got around to doing it. Lets completely ignore every other tournament result ever. It's actually madness. Haypro is good. Just because he did well against nestea and mvp in 1 series doesn't mean he's better.
If hayprO is in form like he was at Providence, I have high confidence in Liquid. As many have stated, Nestea and Mvp benefit the most from preparation. I feel like many of the Liquid players are much better thinking on their feet (HerO and TLO come to mind). I think the creativity in their play will be their biggest advantage against QIM.
All that being said though, I'm hoping for the Banjo to all-kill! :D
On December 08 2011 17:22 Battousai13 wrote: If hayprO is in form like he was at Providence, I have high confidence in Liquid. As many have stated, Nestea and Mvp benefit the most from preparation. I feel like many of the Liquid players are much better thinking on their feet (HerO and TLO come to mind). I think the creativity in their play will be their biggest advantage against QIM.
All that being said though, I'm hoping for the Banjo to all-kill! :D
NesTea, I'm not sure...but MVP? You have to be kidding me. MVP went 26-5 at Providence, won Anaheim, and just dominated his WCG group. None of those formats allow for preparation. MVP also reportedly was sick on Day 2.
TL will merge into the super horse which has the skill of Flash times six against the easiest computer. Prediction 5-0 TL Or QXC will jump in for Liquid. :D
uh with naniwa now in the mix, theyres gonna be some serious stress. Naniwa's PvZ and PvP so hero, sheth, ret, and haypro aren't going to all-kill even if no IM big boys come out. idk why everybody seems to think haypro's so gosu now, he literally had one good tournament out of dozens. unless IM just decides to not play any players, i cant see liquid winning this (especially with naniwa now...)
Naniwa will not be playing today, but there is a chance you could see him play for QIM by the end of the tournament. This is just for clarification since I know 1,000 people will post about it. =P
I really hope Destiny plays. Since he's pretty much a lock to lose I think Quantic should throw him out first; if he happens to win a game an all-kill might motivate him to play his best.
On December 09 2011 08:16 MrCash wrote: Since there is no more QiM, will just Quantic participate? Edit: They did dissolve their partnership, did they not?
On December 09 2011 07:48 aviator116 wrote: uh with naniwa now in the mix, theyres gonna be some serious stress. Naniwa's PvZ and PvP so hero, sheth, ret, and haypro aren't going to all-kill even if no IM big boys come out. idk why everybody seems to think haypro's so gosu now, he literally had one good tournament out of dozens. unless IM just decides to not play any players, i cant see liquid winning this (especially with naniwa now...)
I don't believe this is live...so naniwa wouldnt be in it, its recorded if im not mistaken!
On December 09 2011 07:47 IGNProLeague wrote: My fault! The event and EU rebroadcast have been submitted and should show up soon. =)
Perhaps the EU rebroadcast time should actually be in an EU time (CET) and not PST?
It would be great if you could put the vod out as well before that so that people can watch it when they have time. That is the advantage of the internet and computers compared to TV after all; that there is no need for a fixed schedule when it isn't live.
On December 09 2011 10:08 Seronei wrote: Why do people keep saying Forgg/Fin has only played for 2 months? He's been Korean GM for like 6 months at least.
Because in a recent interview Forgg talked about the past 2 months of professional training as something completely different than just playing around. Seriously, they put a lot of value into their method of training.
People should be more specific though and say 2 months of being a SC2 pro worth of training though.
Sheth will be brought out to deal with Sase if he wins. If Jinro wins I see an IM B-teamer being brought out (And if they were smart about it, it wouldn't be a terran as that is Jinro's best matchup.
On December 09 2011 10:28 MuK_x wrote: expecting Sheth for next match since SaSe's worst match up is PvZ.
Was thinking Ret. But I think Sheth would be a stronger choice overall. Depends on when this was played and so forth of course, but yeah, definitely a Zerg.
On December 09 2011 10:28 MuK_x wrote: expecting Sheth for next match since SaSe's worst match up is PvZ.
Was thinking Ret. But I think Sheth would be a stronger choice overall. Depends on when this was played and so forth of course, but yeah, definitely a Zerg.
Hmm Liquid already using their Protoss sniper Sheth. I agree with the decision, since they can't really afford to fall too behind, but it is unfortunate at the same time. Seed and YoungHwa could give them trouble down the line.
Oh commentators. Sheth is playing terribly. He wasted like 20 zerglings against Sase's wall by not paying any attention to them, when he could have used them to flank and crush Sase's entire army.
Sheth wasted so many zerglings fir nothing. I think I saw 20+ zerglings wasted trying to bust through the cannons at sase's natural. Sheth did so well against Kiwikaki, too.
"Sheth playing good, but Sase on another lvl!"...no....Sase played pretty standard with the 3gate expo....but sheth threw away 100 supply of units early game :\
On December 09 2011 10:46 HuKPOWA wrote: "Sheth playing good, but Sase on another lvl!"...no....Sase played pretty standard with the 3gate expo....but sheth threw away 100 supply of units early game :\
That's coz Sase was multitasking much better than Sheth
i dont get the failed lings on that 1 cannon, they would have been much more useful as a flank on the army when he knew they were moving out to his expo :|
On December 09 2011 10:49 Zzoram wrote: Since it's Bo9, they can let 3 players go down before busting out HerO and Zenio.
Have a feeling it is more about Ret and Hero to be honest.
And yeah, that was a very poor game by Sheth. Which is kind of surprising, he has looked very solid indeed as of late with very few random losses where he just looks mediocre like that. Oh well, it happens.
On December 09 2011 10:49 Zzoram wrote: Since it's Bo9, they can let 3 players go down before busting out HerO and Zenio.
Have a feeling it is more about Ret and Hero to be honest.
And yeah, that was a very poor game by Sheth. Which is kind of surprising, he has looked very solid indeed as of late with very few random losses where he just looks mediocre like that. Oh well, it happens.
Ret is good but Zenio is probably better, despite being lower profile.
On December 09 2011 10:52 tnud wrote: SaSe is a beast, I have no doubt he could all kill TL :/ TL vs SaSe... who to cheer for..
think Hero and ret can beat him...i watch Hero beat him all the time on ladder...but yikes :\ we shall see!
Hero probably will be able to beat Sase, but the damage has been done. There is almost no chance for Liquid to come back if they are down 3-1 against QIM, a team that could still pull out Losira and Happy.
On December 09 2011 10:49 Zzoram wrote: Since it's Bo9, they can let 3 players go down before busting out HerO and Zenio.
Have a feeling it is more about Ret and Hero to be honest.
And yeah, that was a very poor game by Sheth. Which is kind of surprising, he has looked very solid indeed as of late with very few random losses where he just looks mediocre like that. Oh well, it happens.
Ret is good but Zenio is probably better, despite being lower profile.
In no universe is Zenio better than Ret right now, unless he's been improving in (extreme) secrecy recently.
On December 09 2011 10:49 Zzoram wrote: Since it's Bo9, they can let 3 players go down before busting out HerO and Zenio.
Have a feeling it is more about Ret and Hero to be honest.
And yeah, that was a very poor game by Sheth. Which is kind of surprising, he has looked very solid indeed as of late with very few random losses where he just looks mediocre like that. Oh well, it happens.
Ret is good but Zenio is probably better, despite being lower profile.
In no universe is Zenio better than Ret right now, unless he's been improving in (extreme) secrecy recently.
Please dun judge Zenio like that.He's actually pretty good.
On December 09 2011 10:49 Zzoram wrote: Since it's Bo9, they can let 3 players go down before busting out HerO and Zenio.
Have a feeling it is more about Ret and Hero to be honest.
And yeah, that was a very poor game by Sheth. Which is kind of surprising, he has looked very solid indeed as of late with very few random losses where he just looks mediocre like that. Oh well, it happens.
Ret is good but Zenio is probably better, despite being lower profile.
In no universe is Zenio better than Ret right now, unless he's been improving in (extreme) secrecy recently.
Please dun judge Zenio like that.He's actually pretty good.
According to Jino MVP said Zenio was the best ZvT around a month ago.
Come on Tyler, you got this! This win would be so great for Tyler, he's looking so good! I've always believed he would be able to come back in form! GOGO Tyler!
Really, really good decision making from SaSe, anyone know his bank while he was microing the sentry drop? I don't know if he just had better econ or what >.>
That was so bad from tyler. He pulled back half way then stopped giving Sase more time to run wild in his main. He should have just gone for the base race if he wasn't going to respond well to the run by.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who would you have sent out? Hero right away to get sniped?
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Honestly all our players have played sub par as well. -_-
On December 09 2011 11:07 werynais wrote: WTF i stopped watching after Sases Warpprism attack failed
how could Tyler lose this game? unbelievable Oo
Bad game sense and decision making. Pulling back an entire army to stop 3 stalkers and 3 zealots, not pressing the attack after stopping the warp drop, bad engagements. Sase on the other hand played really well from behind.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who would you have sent out? Hero right away to get sniped?
I wouldn't have started with Jinro when everyone knows that his Achilles's heel is protoss. TL's manager should of sent out a player that was strong in all three match ups.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who would you have sent out? Hero right away to get sniped?
I wouldn't have started with Jinro when everyone knows that his achille's heal is protoss. TL's manager should of sent out a player that was strong in all three match ups.
How would you know QIM's first player is Protoss? It's blind picks.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who else are you gonna send out? It's not his fault Hero is like that only player on TL that can beat Sase. Maybe Zenio I guess.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who would you have sent out? Hero right away to get sniped?
I wouldn't have started with Jinro when everyone knows that his achille's heal is protoss. TL's manager should of sent out a player that was strong in all three match ups.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Honestly all our players have played sub par as well. -_-
not sure quantic's manager is doing much. he just sent out sase and let him do the rest
On December 09 2011 11:10 MuK_x wrote: im ok with Ret but... where is zenio? If ret lose 1 match,ace choice is HerO without sending Zenio o.O
CatsPyjamas commented in the beginning of the broadcast that these games were played just after Zenio joined Liquid. The casters were unsure whether he would feature in the match as the transfer from oGs had happened a few days or so earlier.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who else are you gonna send out? It's not his fault Hero is like that only player on TL that can beat Sase. Maybe Zenio I guess.
Don't be silly, Sheth can beat Sase just as well, he just didn't. -_-
Really sad to see Liquid having such a hard time. I thought Tyler had that game, but he made mistakes and threw away his lead after defending the attack. I hope Liquid can bring it back.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who would you have sent out? Hero right away to get sniped?
I wouldn't have started with Jinro when everyone knows that his achille's heal is protoss. TL's manager should of sent out a player that was strong in all three match ups.
How would you know QIM's first player is Protoss? It's blind picks.
You don't. That's why you send out a player that's well rounded.
On December 09 2011 11:09 Talin wrote: Hide nested quote - On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Honestly all our players have played sub par as well. -_-
not sure quantic's manager is doing much. he just sent out sase and let him do the rest
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who else are you gonna send out? It's not his fault Hero is like that only player on TL that can beat Sase. Maybe Zenio I guess.
On December 09 2011 11:12 garbanzo wrote: Really sad to see Liquid having such a hard time. I thought Tyler had that game, but he made mistakes and threw away his lead after defending the attack. I hope Liquid can bring it back.
Hopefully Liquid can avoid the all-kill, but unfortunately at this time, I feel that there is almost no chance for Liquid to win now, being so far behind against such a strong team like QIM.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who else are you gonna send out? It's not his fault Hero is like that only player on TL that can beat Sase. Maybe Zenio I guess.
Don't be silly, Sheth can beat Sase just as well, he just didn't. -_-
Well, everybody can beat Sase, but only koreans seem to actually do it, from time to time.
On December 09 2011 11:10 MuK_x wrote: im ok with Ret but... where is zenio? If ret lose 1 match,ace choice is HerO without sending Zenio o.O
CatsPyjamas commented in the beginning of the broadcast that these games were played just after Zenio joined Liquid. The casters were unsure whether he would feature in the match as the transfer from oGs had happened a few days or so earlier.
wow,thats matchs must be really old,really really old.
On December 09 2011 11:12 imEnex wrote: Thought QIM disbanded? D:
These games are rather old. Judging by the comments about Zenio just having joined Liquid (and stating that they did not think he would feature on the Liquid line up) I would surmise they were played somewhere around Nov 23rd. Which is quite a bit of time before the split. They also stated that QIM signed up as one team and would complete the tournament as one team.
On December 09 2011 11:08 ptbl wrote: I'm ready to have my pitchfork out for whoever is sending out the TL players. The manager of TL is getting totally outplayed by Quantic's manager,
Who else are you gonna send out? It's not his fault Hero is like that only player on TL that can beat Sase. Maybe Zenio I guess.
Don't be silly, Sheth can beat Sase just as well, he just didn't. -_-
Well, everybody can beat Sase, but only koreans seem to actually do it, from time to time.
On December 08 2011 06:01 VirgilSC2 wrote: It's pretty obvious that anyone saying "NesTea, MVP, Happy, LosirA LOL" didn't watch GSTL. First of all, NesTea almost absolutely refuses to play in GSTL, it's been said in interviews, etc. He doesn't like to play Team League because it denies him his greatest strength, which is preparation for specific opponents. NesTea's GSTL Season 1 record was a very impressive, almost bonjwa-esque 0-1.
Likewise, MVP has looked incredibly mortal in team leagues, I believe his GSTL Season 1 performance amounted to a whopping 1-2 record, a win against Doctor G in the playoffs, and losses to qxc and TAiLS.
LosirA and Happy are probably the two players we'll see from the high end of the IM side, both of whom can fall prey to HerO, who has amazing PvZ (although LosirA has insane ZvP). Happy has not looked good in TvP lately, with his most recent team league appearance being a loss to NsHSSan on Daybreak.
Liquid also holds an almost unknown card in their deck in the form of Zenio, who hasn't had many televised matches recently. Combine this with HayprO holding the possibility of taking out LosirA ZvZ I think the biggest worry after that would be SaSe, who could easily fall to HerO in PvP. All in all it's going to come down to when Liquid decides to toss out it's Korean powerhouses.
I don't think this will be nearly as one sided as people think.
Sase hwaiting! It's a good thing Liquid has its relations with OGS that allowed it to acquire players like Hero and Zenio, because they actually have a chance to bring it back with Hero. Otherwise, no chance.
On December 09 2011 11:23 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Sase hwaiting! It's a good thing Liquid has its relations with OGS that allowed it to acquire players like Hero and Zenio, because they actually have a chance to bring it back with Hero. Otherwise, no chance.
Too bad they didn't sign up as oGs/TL that would've been cool.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
On December 09 2011 11:23 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Sase hwaiting! It's a good thing Liquid has its relations with OGS that allowed it to acquire players like Hero and Zenio, because they actually have a chance to bring it back with Hero. Otherwise, no chance.
Too bad they didn't sign up as oGs/TL that would've been cool.
Yeah, in a way, but on the other hand these players can and should play a lot better than this.
On December 09 2011 11:26 TooN wrote: I don't wanna knock teamliquid, but I feel their lineup is as strong anymore
One weak performance doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. The only thing I would take from this is SaSe having a good day/his opponents having bad days. Not that SaSe isn't a good player - he certainly is, but to infer that the entire lineup of TL isn't that strong based off of a single weak performance is a little silly IMO.
On December 09 2011 11:26 TooN wrote: I don't wanna knock teamliquid, but I feel their lineup is as strong anymore
One weak performance doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. The only thing I would take from this is SaSe having a good day/his opponents having bad days. Not that SaSe isn't a good player - he certainly is, but to infer that the entire lineup of TL isn't that strong based off of a single weak performance is a little silly IMO.
All 4 players that played for tl are having a bad day. Makes sense!
On December 09 2011 11:26 TooN wrote: I don't wanna knock teamliquid, but I feel their lineup is as strong anymore
One weak performance doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. The only thing I would take from this is SaSe having a good day/his opponents having bad days. Not that SaSe isn't a good player - he certainly is, but to infer that the entire lineup of TL isn't that strong based off of a single weak performance is a little silly IMO.
True but it is a fair point when Hero seems to be the only one doing well recently, with Ret and Sheth to a lesser extent occasionally having decent runs.
On December 09 2011 11:25 Sc2Null wrote: the normal timing of a evo chamber in zvp is 6:40..tilt?
Yes. But ret clearly expected Sase to FE and got a 3rd hatch before 2nd queen. When he saw that sase didn't FE he had to get emergency speed and roach warren just in case sase attacked. He didn't have time to drone up or tech and sase used that timing to do a DT rush.
On December 09 2011 11:22 naux wrote: and people say TL is EGs rival herO is EGs rival
LOL so true haha and its sad that huk and puma can both beat hero somewhat consistently (MLGs, NASL) T__T
Wait what? Three last tournaments, HuK is 50/50 in matches, Puma is 33/67. I would personally favour HuK in general vs Hero and possibly also Puma, though in neither case due to skill level alone.
On the other hand, it is really grating to listen to commentators you do not really agree with or whose analysis is not spot on when the players you are rooting for are losing. Most of the time it is alright if no personal sentiment is invested, but it becomes monumentally more annoying when things are not at all going your way.
Spider senses are tingling at the thought of a SaSe all kill. PvP on Tal'Darim...hmms.
On December 09 2011 11:22 naux wrote: and people say TL is EGs rival herO is EGs rival
LOL so true haha and its sad that huk and puma can both beat hero somewhat consistently (MLGs, NASL) T__T
Wait what? Three last tournaments, HuK is 50/50 in matches, Puma is 33/67. I would personally favour HuK in general vs Hero and possibly also Puma, though in neither case due to skill level alone.
On the other hand, it is really grating to listen to commentators you do not really agree with or whose analysis is not spot on when the players you are rooting for are losing. Most of the time it is alright if no personal sentiment is invested, but it becomes monumentally more annoying when things are not at all going your way.
Spider senses are tingling at the thought of a SaSe all kill. PvP on Tal'Darim...hmms.
ONLY against hero, at MLG huk 2-0 vs hero and beat him in some other tourny, puma 3-4 at DH, 4-2 at NASL.
Well, that was quick. I thought QIM to win, but I really expected much more from Liquid. A very disappointing showing. I'd be happy if the games were good, but the only player who ever played well during this whole series was SaSe. Congrats to him.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
Was this entire series played before or after the split between IM and quantic? If the split happened in the middle of the tourney is IM obliged to post their players if asked for? Sorry if this was asked already.
I thought Hero would bring it back, seeing as he's a tier or two above the other Liquid players except maybe Ret and Zenio, but Sase just scorched everything :|.
On December 09 2011 11:34 SarcasmMonster wrote: No good games today :\
You say this as if SaSe didn't play great. Good job to SaSe for the all-kill and it was kind of a poor showing for TL. Edit: I am a guilty SaSe fanboy.
wow sase outclassed and outplayed the entirety of team liquid. gg... 5-0 without any problems. sase imba, someone make him play while pouring water on his pants
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
Even if he would be favored against all players, its really hard to actually go 5-0.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
I hope that this loss encourages Liquid to work harder, rather than discourage them.
I doubt TLPro will even run an article of this episode, considering that there was no news of Hero and Zenio's losses in Code A, yet minutes after Hero won DH, the news was up.
On December 09 2011 11:22 naux wrote: and people say TL is EGs rival herO is EGs rival
LOL so true haha and its sad that huk and puma can both beat hero somewhat consistently (MLGs, NASL) T__T
Wait what? Three last tournaments, HuK is 50/50 in matches, Puma is 33/67. I would personally favour HuK in general vs Hero and possibly also Puma, though in neither case due to skill level alone.
On the other hand, it is really grating to listen to commentators you do not really agree with or whose analysis is not spot on when the players you are rooting for are losing. Most of the time it is alright if no personal sentiment is invested, but it becomes monumentally more annoying when things are not at all going your way.
Spider senses are tingling at the thought of a SaSe all kill. PvP on Tal'Darim...hmms.
ONLY against hero, at MLG huk 2-0 vs hero and beat him in some other tourny, puma 3-4 at DH, 4-2 at NASL.
HuK beat Hero at Providence, Hero HuK at Orlando. Puma beat Hero at NASL, Hero Puma at Dreamhack and Providence.
Guess calling Hero v HuK 50/50 was not entirely justified, is 2-3 in games. Oh well. Really disappointing showing by Liquid, perhaps especially Ret and Sheth who did not look good in any way whatsoever. And Hero's build order was incredibly strange on TDA, but oh well. The two other losses were kind of expected.
Really well played by Sase though, hats off to him.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
Damn son. I like Sase but TL disappointing here. Sheth, Hero, and Ret (also Zenio?) should all be able to stop him and he just plowed through. Only good news is that Tyler is practicing enough for TL to field him.
On December 09 2011 11:37 amd098 wrote: wow sase outclassed and outplayed the entirety of team liquid. gg... 5-0 without any problems. sase imba, someone make him play while pouring water on his pants
You North Koreans sense of humor is quite in tuned. I lol'd
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
There's a difference between believing in your team and being delusional.
On December 09 2011 11:40 Oreo7 wrote: Damn son. I like Sase but TL disappointing here. Sheth, Hero, and Ret (also Zenio?) should all be able to stop him and he just plowed through. Only good news is that Tyler is practicing enough for TL to field him.
I feel like Tyler was the only player that actually came to the game prepared in the first place.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
On December 09 2011 11:39 Bagration wrote: I hope that this loss encourages Liquid to work harder, rather than discourage them.
I doubt TLPro will even run an article of this episode, considering that there was no news of Hero and Zenio's losses in Code A, yet minutes after Hero won DH, the news was up.
Why on earth would TLPro feature this? Of course they hype victories and positive news for the team. And I guess, if I were to indulge in the rather far fetched concept that a loss like this in a tournament such as this would ever discourage a team from improving, Hero went on to win Dreamhack with Ret placing top four in the tournament after these games were played.
But yeah, Sase looked incredibly good. Really happy for him, I hope that he shakes his nerves when it comes to the GSL and will be able to make progress there. <3
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
On December 09 2011 11:39 Bagration wrote: I hope that this loss encourages Liquid to work harder, rather than discourage them.
I doubt TLPro will even run an article of this episode, considering that there was no news of Hero and Zenio's losses in Code A, yet minutes after Hero won DH, the news was up.
Why on earth would TLPro feature this? Of course they hype victories and positive news for the team. And I guess, if I were to indulge in the rather far fetched concept that a loss like this in a tournament such as this would ever discourage a team from improving, Hero went on to win Dreamhack with Ret placing top four in the tournament after these games were played.
But yeah, Sase looked incredibly good. Really happy for him, I hope that he shakes his nerves when it comes to the GSL and will be able to make progress there. <3
I remember TLPro used to give tournament recaps (good and bad), as well as Hero's performances (good and bad) in the past few GSLs. TLPro is supposed to be a news outlet for the team, and even in bad news, they should report it and hopefully encourage their players to do better in the future. But to selectively report only the good news, that sounds like propaganda or something that Fox News would do to me, and I do not believe that Liquid is that type of organization.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Um, don't you think that is kind of a...big...statement to make, especially since Liquid just got all killed by not MVP, not Nestea, not even Losira, but Sase, a foreigner with no significant tournament results? As much as I would love to see Liquid do that, that is almost impossible. I really respect your loyalty to the team, and I wish I could be as optimistic as you, but results beg to differ.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
Don't bother. He's the kind of guy that would boast about how Liquid would stomp them easily next time even if they got all killed by Destiny. Or he's a troll. I vote for the latter, either way there's no winning here.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
On December 09 2011 11:39 Bagration wrote: I hope that this loss encourages Liquid to work harder, rather than discourage them.
I doubt TLPro will even run an article of this episode, considering that there was no news of Hero and Zenio's losses in Code A, yet minutes after Hero won DH, the news was up.
Why on earth would TLPro feature this? Of course they hype victories and positive news for the team. And I guess, if I were to indulge in the rather far fetched concept that a loss like this in a tournament such as this would ever discourage a team from improving, Hero went on to win Dreamhack with Ret placing top four in the tournament after these games were played.
But yeah, Sase looked incredibly good. Really happy for him, I hope that he shakes his nerves when it comes to the GSL and will be able to make progress there. <3
I remember TLPro used to give tournament recaps (good and bad), as well as Hero's performances (good and bad) in the past few GSLs. TLPro is supposed to be a news outlet for the team, and even in bad news, they should report it and hopefully encourage their players to do better in the future. But to selectively report only the good news, that sounds like propaganda or something that Fox News would do to me, and I do not believe that Liquid is that type of organization.
But it is not a news organisation. I am sure they will report every now and again on losses, especially important ones. They did a piece on Hero losing to Puma in the NASL finals. However, tournaments that are broadcasted three weeks or so after being played I very much doubt. Perhaps they would make a piece if Liquid won, hell, they might even surprise me and put up something about this match, but I cannot imagine it is something they would prioritise. Furthermore, looking at the amount of work Liquid staff have put in as of late and just guessing at their resource allocation, it would not seem reasonable to expect articles about losing in this kind of tournament at this point in time. Of course they will write about live event wins (or losses) when they have staff at the actual tournament, this kind of stuff is quite different.
I guess I just think it is very far fetched to believe that losing this series will demotivate any Liquid player or staff. And likening TLPro to Fox News because they will likely not report on this loss similarly strange.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
...i see the two strongest zergs on TL losing to vastly different gamestyles. i see their ONLY terran getting rolled. i see hero, the best hope of TL, and tyler losing to another protoss in what is said to be the most dangerous matchup. what truth am i not seeing in these results? that TL was holding back? that 5 separate members of TL failed to win one game?
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot. oh yeah, taeja lost to MVP. beat QIM my ass.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
I think you have to either be pretty blind or at the very least go with an extreme version of heart over brain to pick Liquid as favourites in this matchup. Losing to an all-kill that is not from Nestea, Mvp or possibly Happy or Losira is of course very disappointing, but honestly, the talent pool of QIM definitely dwarfs that of Liquid's.
Very nice play by Sase. Well earned all kill there.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Is there a "best post of the year" thread yet? This is definitely a contender. Thanks for the lulz.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
...i see the two strongest zergs on TL losing to vastly different gamestyles. i see their ONLY terran getting rolled. i see hero, the best hope of TL, and tyler losing to another protoss in what is said to be the most dangerous matchup. what truth am i not seeing in these results? that TL was holding back? that 5 separate members of TL failed to win one game?
To put things in perspective, they played like shit, way below their ability, and they lost one series in an online team league.
It hurts as fuck for a fan to see this kind of loss, but it's hardly a big deal in the big picture. It's just like when IM got all killed by qxc to be honest.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
I had to read this a few times through. Then I washed my face and rubbed my eyes and read it again, just because I was in so much disbelief that you could say this seriously. I realized you were being serious, and then I chuckled.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
don't get me wrong, i fucking love hero, but hes like Puma...can mow down foreigners easy, but still can't compete against the consistent GSL code S players. btw muk, taeja lost to MVP. yeah TL > QIM my ass
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
On December 09 2011 11:39 Bagration wrote: I hope that this loss encourages Liquid to work harder, rather than discourage them.
I doubt TLPro will even run an article of this episode, considering that there was no news of Hero and Zenio's losses in Code A, yet minutes after Hero won DH, the news was up.
Why on earth would TLPro feature this? Of course they hype victories and positive news for the team. And I guess, if I were to indulge in the rather far fetched concept that a loss like this in a tournament such as this would ever discourage a team from improving, Hero went on to win Dreamhack with Ret placing top four in the tournament after these games were played.
But yeah, Sase looked incredibly good. Really happy for him, I hope that he shakes his nerves when it comes to the GSL and will be able to make progress there. <3
I remember TLPro used to give tournament recaps (good and bad), as well as Hero's performances (good and bad) in the past few GSLs. TLPro is supposed to be a news outlet for the team, and even in bad news, they should report it and hopefully encourage their players to do better in the future. But to selectively report only the good news, that sounds like propaganda or something that Fox News would do to me, and I do not believe that Liquid is that type of organization.
But it is not a news organisation. I am sure they will report every now and again on losses, especially important ones. They did a piece on Hero losing to Puma in the NASL finals. However, tournaments that are broadcasted three weeks or so after being played I very much doubt. Perhaps they would make a piece if Liquid won, hell, they might even surprise me and put up something about this match, but I cannot imagine it is something they would prioritise. Furthermore, looking at the amount of work Liquid staff have put in as of late and just guessing at their resource allocation, it would not seem reasonable to expect articles about losing in this kind of tournament at this point in time. Of course they will write about live event wins (or losses) when they have staff at the actual tournament, this kind of stuff is quite different.
I guess I just think it is very far fetched to believe that losing this series will demotivate any Liquid player or staff. And likening TLPro to Fox News because they will likely not report on this loss similarly strange.
Eh, I guess Team Arena is not too high on their priority list then. I just liked going on that site and getting all the news about TL without all of the other stuff on the forums. I personally do not mind stories about less than positive news, since every victory become mores triumphant when there is a loss before that the team overcame.
As for the Fox News thing, there is a distinction between failing to report a story due to agenda, and not reporting just because of insignificance. And since it seems that Liquid is the latter, the comparison does not stand. I hope no one was offended or took it personally.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
...i see the two strongest zergs on TL losing to vastly different gamestyles. i see their ONLY terran getting rolled. i see hero, the best hope of TL, and tyler losing to another protoss in what is said to be the most dangerous matchup. what truth am i not seeing in these results? that TL was holding back? that 5 separate members of TL failed to win one game?
To put things in perspective, they played like shit, way below their ability, and they lost one series in an online team league.
It hurts as fuck for a fan to see this kind of loss, but it's hardly a big deal in the big picture. It's just like when IM got all killed by qxc to be honest.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
Sick.
Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
Sick.
im sorry, i didnt know that playing against top level koreans on ESV weekly was sleeping in...
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot. oh yeah, taeja lost to MVP. beat QIM my ass.
Don't bother debating him too much. I love this guy's team loyalty and optimism, but saying that the NASL is more prestigious than the GSL...well, I'll let you decide what to think about his perspective on things.
On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote: [quote] LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
[quote] forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
Sick.
Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works.
On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote: [quote] LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
Sick.
Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works.
On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote: [quote] LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
Sick.
Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works.
On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote: [quote]
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
Sick.
Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works.
Trolling? Are you serious?
im a big teamliquid fan and proud with it.
See you at GSL 2012,HerO will shut your mouth.
Just like he did tonight amirite?
Losing one game(not even BoX) against SaSe make him a bad player?
On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote: [quote] just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
Sick.
Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works.
Trolling? Are you serious?
im a big teamliquid fan and proud with it.
See you at GSL 2012,HerO will shut your mouth.
Just like he did tonight amirite?
Losing one game(not even BoX) against SaSe make him a bad player?
you are such a bad troll.
Haha I'm just teasing bro! I sure hope hero does well in the gsl. I'm a huge fan of his! That doesn't mean I ignore reality.
On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote: [quote] LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
[quote] forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
Sick.
Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works.
It is really easy to be blinded by how fantastic Hero looks in a lot of games and believe that he is a semi-invincible monster that cannot be defeated. He absolutely lacks consistency and even his PvZ, which looks so awesome, can and will fall to both cheese and well executed mid-game pressure. He has attained somewhat consistent place in Code A, and obviously has a chance of even getting to Code S this season, but by no means would I be counting on it. Furthermore, he obviously has nerve issues, which it would be reasonable to expect being exaggerated by playing televised in Korea, which while not as big as far as live audience goes as Dreamhack or MLG, must feel like a more prestigious event.
So yeah, Hero can be sniped, Hero absolutely makes bad decisions and will lose because of these things. His choice of map as well as build order on TDA was very strange for example. But his potential should not be denied just based on his GSL results. Of course, whether he is a true Korean great will depend on those results, but time will tell. Making snap judgments because of this result? That is almost as non-sensical as believing that Liquid would be favoured to win against QIM.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote: [quote] LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
Please stop this ridiculous bias. Hero and Zenio can't even maintain Code A spots. IM has like 4 (or is it 5 now?) Code S players. They would still get stomped. Plus I don't see how Zenio and Jinro are on their best condiditions when Zenio just lost in Code A and Jinro hasn't..........................?
You should watch Jinro's stream and ESV korean weekly.
Jinro played close games against SlayerSTaeja,he is improved soooooo much and slowly backing his old days.
Zenio just lose to MKP.(this guy only lose BoX TvZ against NesTea)
and HerO... Sweden(Dreamhack) > USA(NASL) > Korea(GSL) what do you expect? He did pretty well for his busy schedule.
and i'll also point out that Jinro lost to an unknown zerg less than a week ago. zenio got steamrolled by Bomber on live stream. Hero is their best shot.
I don't know about hero. He's amazing don't get me wrong, I saw him stomp tons of foreigners in Dream Hack and NASL but then he gets rolled by asd? Seriously?
HerO just played in 2 tournaments before GSL and never got a chance for practicing his GSL match MEANWHILE asd just sleeped like a boss and watched HerO,prepared his style.
Sick.
Haha I know your trolling but I'm going to answer this. If hero only cares about money, then doing tons of foreign tournaments is great. If he wants to be considered a top level korean, he's gonna need consistently good results in the GSL. That's just the way it works.
It is really easy to be blinded by how fantastic Hero looks in a lot of games and believe that he is a semi-invincible monster that cannot be defeated. He absolutely lacks consistency and even his PvZ, which looks so awesome, can and will fall to both cheese and well executed mid-game pressure. He has attained somewhat consistent place in Code A, and obviously has a chance of even getting to Code S this season, but by no means would I be counting on it. Furthermore, he obviously has nerve issues, which it would be reasonable to expect being exaggerated by playing televised in Korea, which while not as big as far as live audience goes as Dreamhack or MLG, must feel like a more prestigious event.
So yeah, Hero can be sniped, Hero absolutely makes bad decisions and will lose because of these things. His choice of map as well as build order on TDA was very strange for example. But his potential should not be denied just based on his GSL results. Of course, whether he is a true Korean great will depend on those results, but time will tell. Making snap judgments because of this result? That is almost as non-sensical as believing that Liquid would be favoured to win against QIM.
Who the hell is making snap judgments of hero because of this? Koreans should be judged by multiple gsl results.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
yeah you and muk should totally hook up god, i don't even know why im arguing, hero's the only one worth watching right now from TL, cuz hes so fucking good, but him against a FOCUSED polt, mvp, or hell even puma? ...
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
yeah you and muk should totally hook up god, i don't even know why im arguing, hero's the only one worth watching right now from TL, cuz hes so fucking good, but him against a FOCUSED polt, mvp, or hell even puma? ...
I would love Hero to play like 200 practice games against a focused Mvp or perhaps even more so ForGG. Would be very good for his PvT. :D
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
...i see the two strongest zergs on TL losing to vastly different gamestyles. i see their ONLY terran getting rolled. i see hero, the best hope of TL, and tyler losing to another protoss in what is said to be the most dangerous matchup. what truth am i not seeing in these results? that TL was holding back? that 5 separate members of TL failed to win one game?
To put things in perspective, they played like shit, way below their ability, and they lost one series in an online team league.
It hurts as fuck for a fan to see this kind of loss, but it's hardly a big deal in the big picture. It's just like when IM got all killed by qxc to be honest.
You usually seem to play like shit against a much better player..
On December 08 2011 04:19 red4ce wrote: 3 wins for Liquid at best if they get good matchups and IM is overconfident the way the were against FXO in the GSTL. Expecting a 5-1 for QIM, with Liquid's only win coming against Sase.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
yeah you and muk should totally hook up god, i don't even know why im arguing, hero's the only one worth watching right now from TL, cuz hes so fucking good, but him against a FOCUSED polt, mvp, or hell even puma? ...
I would love Hero to play like 200 practice games against a focused Mvp or perhaps even more so ForGG. Would be very good for his PvT. :D
Would also like the same for Sase.
haha good point, but i meant in a tournament matchup
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site.
Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close.
They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
yeah you and muk should totally hook up god, i don't even know why im arguing, hero's the only one worth watching right now from TL, cuz hes so fucking good, but him against a FOCUSED polt, mvp, or hell even puma? ...
I would love Hero to play like 200 practice games against a focused Mvp or perhaps even more so ForGG. Would be very good for his PvT. :D
Would also like the same for Sase.
haha good point, but i meant in a tournament matchup
Yeah I know. I would never bet on Hero against Mvp, neither would I against Puma, though to be fair I would be on the losing side of that based on the last three tournaments. Polt though, I don't know, I guess right now I would be betting on Hero. Might get a look at that in Up and Downs. But his PvT is not looking solid, not because he cannot win but mostly because it seems like he has not found a way to play it out without taking major risks in the early game.
But I find it hard to really bet on Hero in high pressure games just because of nerves anyway.
as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run.
Funny joke kid. You realize theres a chance both MVP an NesTea who would WRECK anyone on TL (I love TL but come on lol) have a chance of playing lol. So no that eliminates an all kill for TL though both could all kill TL lol an Nani, Destiny, and SaSe are fucking god monsters an could match up easily against anyone on TL so no you're wrong and as I said funny joke bro tell it again?
Impressive play by SaSe. Was too bad Tyler didn't hold on though, SaSe was way too overconfident and came out way behind after his warp prism attack attempt. Also, Hero just had a pretty bad build order or misread SaSe's build I guess.
Funny joke kid. You realize theres a chance both MVP an NesTea who would WRECK anyone on TL (I love TL but come on lol) have a chance of playing lol. So no that eliminates an all kill for TL though both could all kill TL lol an Nani, Destiny, and SaSe are fucking god monsters an could match up easily against anyone on TL so no you're wrong and as I said funny joke bro tell it again?
eh, I think Hero is capable of taking down MVP and NesTea though he would be considered an underdog. Also why you are putting Naniwa, Destiny, and SaSe on the same level? I don't think Destiny is quite up there yet.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site.
Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close.
They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism.
To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too.
Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing:
SaSe Destiny Horror Younghwa Happy/LosirA
what happens when MVP playing? -TL still has a decent chance since bo1
and NesTea? -NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament.
also @Catatonic i lol'd,keep wear your horse glasses.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site.
Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close.
They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism.
To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too.
Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing:
SaSe Destiny Horror Younghwa Happy/LosirA
what happens when MVP playing? -TL still has a decent chance since bo1
and NesTea? -NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament.
On December 09 2011 12:36 GreyKnight wrote: as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run.
Yeah man, pro players tend to take $10000 worth of prize money games like practice runs. Don't let Hero's teammates know about it though, coz I am telling you, they would be pissed at him, they would def. think less of him... heck I know I would.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site.
Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close.
They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism.
To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too.
Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing:
SaSe Destiny Horror Younghwa Happy/LosirA
what happens when MVP playing? -TL still has a decent chance since bo1
and NesTea? -NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament.
On December 09 2011 12:36 GreyKnight wrote: as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run.
Yeah man, pro players tend to take $10000 worth of prize money games like practice runs. Don't let Hero's teammates know about it though, coz I am telling you, they would be pissed at him, they would def. think less of him... heck I know I would.
this isnt the first time HerO try to go something else than 4 gte on tda just because he dont feel like it (aka dreamhack)
On December 09 2011 12:36 GreyKnight wrote: as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run.
Yeah man, pro players tend to take $10000 worth of prize money games like practice runs. Don't let Hero's teammates know about it though, coz I am telling you, they would be pissed at him, they would def. think less of him... heck I know I would.
hero's lost games because he didn't 4gate fyi. it's his own strange decisionmaking at work sometimes. i'm a hero fan too
On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote: [quote] LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
[quote] forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site.
Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close.
They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism.
To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too.
Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing:
SaSe Destiny Horror Younghwa Happy/LosirA
what happens when MVP playing? -TL still has a decent chance since bo1
and NesTea? -NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament.
o.O ...but sase...didnt lose?
can you stop trolling?
you must read Icebox post for understanding me.
read it,then read it again.
but youre the one whos dropping the overly biased fanboyism and acting like TLs the best team in SC2 or something. im just saying that claiming that TL is somehow better than QIM is, as of right now, very biased. also, you say 'well, IF SASE LOST, we would have an easier lineup to work with cuz of blah blah blah' but the thing is HE DIDNT LOSE, so basically all that theorycrafting is wasted. i do laud you for your obvious loyalty to liquid, but its getting sketchy
On December 09 2011 12:36 GreyKnight wrote: as much as sase is great, those games were not even close to good. hero is also not very good in teamleagues and he didnt play tal'darim pvp right at all. it's almost like he just wanted to see if it was possible you can do anything else on tal'darim and treated this like a practice test run.
Yeah man, pro players tend to take $10000 worth of prize money games like practice runs. Don't let Hero's teammates know about it though, coz I am telling you, they would be pissed at him, they would def. think less of him... heck I know I would.
this isnt the first time HerO try to go something else than 4 gte on tda just because he dont feel like it (aka dreamhack)
I am not arguing the facts, he tried something different alright and got rolled over, that much is clear. My point is it would have been dumb, arrogant and borderline douche to use this build in an important game without having practiced it. He did practice it, it just wasn't enough to beat Sase... to see this the way OP intended is to be fucking disrespectful to Hero, Sase and TL itself.
On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote: [quote] LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
You're saying this as though it disproved anything I said. Of course Liquid is a great team, noone's saying otherwise. Seriously lol, I've cheered for anyone with the Liquid tag 7 years longer than Muk has been a member of this site.
Of course Hero can take games off anyone in IM, hell Haypro's shown that the can. But a favourite over IM + Sase? Not even close.
They're going to be heavily favoured against Reign and I'll be cheering for them to the end. I'm glad you are as well, but seriously, stop the blatant fanboyism.
To be honest,TL not played their best but if FXO managed to beat IM,TL has this chance too.
Im just saying you possibly QIM line up if SaSe ended up with losing:
SaSe Destiny Horror Younghwa Happy/LosirA
what happens when MVP playing? -TL still has a decent chance since bo1
and NesTea? -NO possibly way for NesTea playing on NA server team tournament.
o.O ...but sase...didnt lose?
can you stop trolling?
you must read Icebox post for understanding me.
read it,then read it again.
but youre the one whos dropping the overly biased fanboyism and acting like TLs the best team in SC2 or something. im just saying that claiming that TL is somehow better than QIM is, as of right now, very biased. also, you say 'well, IF SASE LOST, we would have an easier lineup to work with cuz of blah blah blah' but the thing is HE DIDNT LOSE, so basically all that theorycrafting is wasted. i do laud you for your obvious loyalty to liquid, but its getting sketchy
And i already said you TL lose because their poor condition from 1.5 month ago.
TL players accomplished good things in this 1.5 month: HerO :winned a dreamhack,played grand final at NASL,up&down matches at GSL. HayprO :got 7th spot at MLG providence,beat NesTea and almost beat MVP. Sheth: played round 16 at dreamhack and lose to dh champion.Played at NASL grand finals,lose to 3-2 PuMa(NASL champion). Jinro: Nonstop practicing in oGs house,his TvT and TvZ already becomed pretty sick. Zenio: new TL player,being in code S for so long. TLO: back to zerg: Tyler: incresing his practice times.
SaSe is strong player,im agreeing with this but not strong as all-killing TeamLiquid.
I mean TL is so much better than this,they has a chance against ANY korean team.Like i said,they lose today because their poor condition and being without Zenio.
If this match played like at 6-7 december,i can easly say TL will destroy QIM no matter what.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
I almost thought the results was some joke till I skimmed through this thread. My mind still can't grasp how Liquid was all killed by SaSe. Perhaps by MVP, Losira but SaSe. Anyways, props to him. I guess Korea is really benefiting him.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
On December 09 2011 11:34 MuK_x wrote: that was pretty dissapointing by teamliquid BUT that games was played like 1.5 month ago.
also npnp loser bracket to champion!
go go TL!
LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
On December 09 2011 11:35 MountainDewJunkie wrote: How is this unexpected? Sase is a great player. He's easily favored against Jinro, Sheth, and Tyler. What's the mystery? Versus hero is kind of a toss-up (pun unintended), so it kind of makes perfect sense when you think about it, right?
forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
On December 09 2011 11:38 aviator116 wrote: [quote] LOL this guy...first he says TL would win against every SC2 team in the world, after losing to one player, he goes on to say that they'll win from the loser's bracket...just fyi, Mouz got knocked into the loser's bracket too. and thorzain, morrow, mana, and hasuobs are all great players.
[quote] forever underrated T__T i guess nobody thought that he would be able to win 5 straight games against varied players and styles.
LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
On December 09 2011 11:40 MuK_x wrote: [quote] LOL at non-believers.
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
On December 08 2011 05:39 Joshy.IGN wrote: I am thoroughly enjoying all of these predictions, as are the rest of the guys in the eSports office. Keep them coming! Surely if we make enough predictions, someone will get it exactly right and look like a GENIUS!
On December 08 2011 06:05 Choboo wrote: SaSe will all-kill it won't even be close ^______^
On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote: [quote]
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
Huk beat Hero. Naniwa beat Huk. therefore Naniwa beats Hero. The End.
On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote: [quote] just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
Huk beat Hero. Naniwa beat Huk. therefore Naniwa beats Hero. The End.
Hero beat HuK. HuK beat Hero. Naniwa beat HuK. HuK beat Naniwa.
Sase all killed Liquid.
Mvp is still the best player on the planet. ForGG is smirking though. Hmmm.
Wow, I cannot believe that this thread has turned into an ongoing debate about Liquid's skill. No one doubts that Liquid is a really good team, but Sase just outplayed them today, and QIM is still a stronger team. End of story. Now let's all come together, hold hands, and sing Kum Ba Ya.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
Huk beat Hero. Naniwa beat Huk. therefore Naniwa beats Hero. The End.
Hero beat HuK. HuK beat Hero. Naniwa beat HuK. HuK beat Naniwa.
Sase all killed Liquid.
Mvp is still the best player on the planet. ForGG is smirking though. Hmmm.
I once beat my friend jeff who beat our other friend patrick who once beat sheth in bw who beat idra who beat bomber who beat mvp who beat asd who beat hero.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
Huk beat Hero. Naniwa beat Huk. therefore Naniwa beats Hero. The End.
Hero beat HuK. HuK beat Hero. Naniwa beat HuK. HuK beat Naniwa.
Sase all killed Liquid.
Mvp is still the best player on the planet. ForGG is smirking though. Hmmm.
I once beat my friend jeff who beat our other friend patrick who once beat sheth in bw who beat idra who beat bomber who beat mvp who beat asd who beat hero.
I am the best player in the world.
That is not analogous at all. /cry
I am really sorry I wrote anything in this thread at all now. I definitely do not have a flair for conveying tongue in cheek over the internet. And writing anything where the op is a troll or just blatantly wrong is probably never a good idea.
Good games for Sase. Hope he continues to improve, continues to kick ass in Team Arena and can overcome his nerves in the GSL. <3
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
Huk beat Hero. Naniwa beat Huk. therefore Naniwa beats Hero. The End.
Hero beat HuK. HuK beat Hero. Naniwa beat HuK. HuK beat Naniwa.
Sase all killed Liquid.
Mvp is still the best player on the planet. ForGG is smirking though. Hmmm.
I once beat my friend jeff who beat our other friend patrick who once beat sheth in bw who beat idra who beat bomber who beat mvp who beat asd who beat hero.
I am the best player in the world.
i thought that discussion was about HerO,NaNiWa and MVP haha.
"There is nothing cooler than being proud of the things you love" Day9
and im proud for being fan of TeamLiquid.
You must be like Icebox for understanding me.
So stop discussion with me because you guys will never understand.
On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote: [quote] just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
Huk beat Hero. Naniwa beat Huk. therefore Naniwa beats Hero. The End.
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
We can do this all day, the fact of the matter is only one team has 7 GSL titles among its members.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
Huk beat Hero. Naniwa beat Huk. therefore Naniwa beats Hero. The End.
Comparing skill of players via pvp. Hmmm....
i could also say huk beat MVP who beat Hero so Huk> Hero, or Huk beat DRG who beat Hero so Huk>Hero, but that would take a while.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
Huk beat Hero. Naniwa beat Huk. therefore Naniwa beats Hero. The End.
Comparing skill of players via pvp. Hmmm....
i could also say huk beat MVP who beat Hero so Huk> Hero, or Huk beat DRG who beat Hero so Huk>Hero, but that would take a while.
well that was sarcasm.
i just tried to say if NaNiWa managed to beat MVP in bo3,HerO can do this too.Because HerO superior to naniwa at macro/micro/multitasking/mind games.
All I have to say is let's see how Liquid does in the next round against ReIGN. They play like they did today, and ReIGN will beat them, but if they pull it together, they can still make a respectable run in the tournament.
On December 09 2011 11:46 Bagration wrote: [quote]
In all honesty, it's been a tough few months for Liquid. There was once a time when Liquid dominated the foreign scene, and Jinro was over in Korea doing very well in the GSL (back to back semis). Now look at them. Hero's been doing pretty well, but his wins were largely against foreigners (except Puma at DH). But Jinro cannot even qualify for Code A anymore, Tyler and TLO have not had results in months. Haypro had a good MLG Providence, only to get knocked out in the first round at DH. Ret's been doing decently well, but not anything really impressive. Huk plays for EG now. It's been tough for Liquid, and now this.
just saying.
That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
Stop being ridiculous. I'm one of the biggest Liquid fans around, but they got absolutely demolished today and even in best conditions, they would be big underdogs vs QIM's roster.
Liquid are very big underdogs in the torny but that does not mean anything if these games were played 1-2months ago then you should see that players are unmotivated and these games mean nothing...
Jinro -> Always hated TvP and it was just bad 1st pick, he has a long record to loosing to Sase along with that, He is not well rounded in matchups
Sheth played horribly there imo. the casters said he was playing fine and Sase was playing brilliantly but really Sheth was just loosing units back to back with controls and not paying a attention to his units..
Tyler -> Major Lead with great control at the start but then his the casters did not mention that his obs got snipe so he could not pressure at all. if he was to blink in the dark that would be dumb and risky.
Ret -> Build order lost, along with "no overlord scouting the general area"(This may be false)
Hero -> okay he just was ignorant, but would love to get a word of his play / idea for doing that build in such a risky game.
Please note im taking nothing away from Sase, he is amazing player and won the games.
Jinro -> Going in minitornies , plays are going much better motivated
Sheth -> Best he has ever been, his ZvP as been decreasing though but his ZvT is amazing at the moment
Tyler -> Is starting to play again more and more each day and is improving but is still weak as player because of his medical condition as of late
Ret -> 20Games >/= A day when he barely plays
Hero.... -> Please note if you think Hero is unable to beat SaSe, or any one on IM you are ignorant. He beats these players constantly on stream(Yah its practice but does not mean he is not capable of it) but what it comes down too is... Nerves making him the ace player on TL puts x10 more pressure and his dreamhack win gave the other 6 Players more motivation to play.
Now they vs Regin, which was played today or yesterday I believe but not positive They have a new player able to be played Sheth and Ret are better and top of their game Hero is stronger in overcoming nerves much better Along with there oldies playing much more they will be fine...
Tl;dr -> its no biggy every team performs poorly in life.. -_-
Hero isn't capable of beating MVP. You are overrating him severely.(I don't mean like in 100 games he wouldn't win a game or something just in general he isn't a match.
NaNiWa capable to beating MVP and HerO isnt?
hehehehehe.
Haha your absolutely right. It is more correct to say, hero most likely won't beat mvp.
HerO is so much better than NaNiWa.
The End.
MVP is so much better than HerO.
The End. (Haha it's been nice talking to you. Lots of laughs :D)
/sarcasm If HerO so much better than naniwa and naniwa managed to beat MVP,this isnt make HerO better than MVP and giving him a big chance for beating MVP?
The End.
No... because MVP is the best player in the world?
On December 09 2011 16:47 samw wrote: Lol sase all-kill imagine what mvp would have done !!
An all-kill too?
GG QIM! SaSe is impressive, didn't get to see the games but i'll watch the vods no doubt.
What a shame Quantic and IM part ways, very very strong team.
Appearantly they don't need IM when they can beat one of the strongest foreign teams alone...
That doesn't mean IM can't add to the strengh of their players... Individual talent wise, IM stand as the best team in the world, even SaSe would have something to learn from some of this guys.
Ready and Seed are both very talented players. YongHwa is really good too. It's a shame we don't have that much game from this guys, they are pretty sick (i'm a huge Seed fan). But SaSe sure is good^^
well played SaSe, it seems training in Korea finally paid off, defeating three really good players in a row btw i am wondering why is Tyler still in Team Liquid? He is not trying to improve (he said numerous times he doesnt train at all) and his results are just sad ... I would love to see a passionate player joining Team Liquid instead of Tyler
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
uuumm.... yeah. XD"""""""
quite a letdown from TL, even though sase deserves credit for his awesome performance. im still disappointed i didnt see more players from IM though.
fortunately there is also a losers bracket. maybe TL can get their stuff together and take revenge one day.
On December 08 2011 04:19 red4ce wrote: 3 wins for Liquid at best if they get good matchups and IM is overconfident the way the were against FXO in the GSTL. Expecting a 5-1 for QIM, with Liquid's only win coming against Sase.
I lol'd
Yes, SaSe is a freakin beast. Top 5 in the entire QIM lineup, probably higher.
On December 09 2011 17:47 MildSeven wrote: saddest team series ever for TL.
QIM didnt even have to pull out their aces
IM doesn't have any good protoss. Sase could very well be the best protoss they could have possibly fielded.
yea seriously IMready, Younghwa and seed. Boys you 3 have to step up. Happy has now become MVP's apprentice and Losira, Nestea's. Where is the Protoss king in IM? T___T
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote: Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action. Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM.
what?
TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world.
2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo
how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM?
MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy?
So what?
HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP.
If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games.
Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games).
and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
You must be at least somewhat embarrased now lol.
No,because games played 1.5 month ago.
LiquidTyler: I really should have won my game, just got a dumb worry in my head and played it out really poorly and handed him the game back, but SaSe is an absolute beast of a player regardless. These games were played a loooong time ago, like weeks before Providence. I look forward to my next crack at him and QxG.
On December 09 2011 18:12 waNNabeGUY wrote: well played SaSe, it seems training in Korea finally paid off, defeating three really good players in a row btw i am wondering why is Tyler still in Team Liquid? He is not trying to improve (he said numerous times he doesnt train at all) and his results are just sad ... I would love to see a passionate player joining Team Liquid instead of Tyler
Actually, Tyler played very well in his matchup with SaSe. If anything his macro failed him, as he defended very well, and got a lead, but was unable to macro as well as SaSe. And if you had been paying attention to Tyler recently, he has committed to improving and training more.
Well the thing about liquid that I dont really get is why such a top level team is keeping so many players that are quite notorious for not training too much (haypro, tyler, ret 3 hours a day - what?). Eventhough I love those guys way back from the sc1 days - in a powerhouse like liquid there just have to be results at all costs.
I really hope liquid gets over this overly "friendly" liquid policy. The teamspirit and friendship has to be there, but it shouldnt in any way be interfering with the results.
I dont mean to troll in any way, i cheer for liquid players in every tournament possible. I am just curious, what are your opinions on this matter?
On December 10 2011 02:09 Kompicek wrote: Well the thing about liquid that I dont really get is why such a top level team is keeping so many players that are quite notorious for not training too much (haypro, tyler, ret 3 hours a day - what?). Eventhough I love those guys way back from the sc1 days - in a powerhouse like liquid there just have to be results at all costs.
I really hope liquid gets over this overly "friendly" liquid policy. The teamspirit and friendship has to be there, but it shouldnt in any way be interfering with the results.
I dont mean to troll in any way, i cheer for liquid players in every tournament possible. I am just curious, what are your opinions on this matter?
I agree. I feel that Liquid might have great talent, but if do not continue to train as hard as all of the other teams, they will fall behind. I fear that there may be a correlation between this and Liquid's (excluding Hero, since he is a very hard worker and does practice significantly) tournament results over the past few months, it is clear that something has to be done. Hopefully this result will act as a wakeup call for the boys in blue to get their stuff together.
To add to the discussion at hand, I don't think TL is lagging behind. They had a great early performance as a team getting so many foreigners into GOMTV, and they're and will still be beasts to play against. Ret places above most foreigners in non-korean tournaments, which means he places better than almost all non-koreans. If Hero won the last tournament would that even be a topic? I don't think so.
On December 10 2011 02:09 Kompicek wrote: Well the thing about liquid that I dont really get is why such a top level team is keeping so many players that are quite notorious for not training too much (haypro, tyler, ret 3 hours a day - what?). Eventhough I love those guys way back from the sc1 days - in a powerhouse like liquid there just have to be results at all costs.
I really hope liquid gets over this overly "friendly" liquid policy. The teamspirit and friendship has to be there, but it shouldnt in any way be interfering with the results.
I dont mean to troll in any way, i cheer for liquid players in every tournament possible. I am just curious, what are your opinions on this matter?
These guys are the reason over half (probably way over) Liquid fans are actually Liquid fans in the first place. I have zero interest in an artificially built team of players I don't give a shit about. It's hard for me to accept new members as it is, and the only thing that makes me happy is that we're only getting oGs members that a few guys have already been living with and recruitment is extremely selective in general.
Results at all costs is an awful mentality. We can talk of falling behind in results when other foreign teams actually catch up with the results.
Liquid players could take a break for a year and most of big foreign teams still wouldn't catch up in terms of major lan wins.
I support any Liquid member trying their best (Jinro slugging it out in Korea) and have potential (TLO started playing at a fairly high level since he was a kid, if only his hands can keep up).
All-kill was really sad, hope it won't happen again....
The upside to this is that the only person who was even close to beating Sase (and in fact had a major advantage for a while) was Tyler. Signs of things to come? :D #hopeful
See, this is the problem w/ IPL and NASL. These games are not relevant anymore because they were recorded so long ago and QIM dissolved. Will watch anyway though (if I can catch it).
On December 10 2011 03:46 Shadow_Dog wrote: See, this is the problem w/ IPL and NASL. These games are not relevant anymore because they were recorded so long ago and QIM dissolved. Will watch anyway though (if I can catch it).
Omg I just to love Catzpajamas but with all this twitter bullshit im out of his fanbase. I mean, STOP interupting ppl who knows what their talking about just so you can promote yourself!
On December 08 2011 04:19 red4ce wrote: 3 wins for Liquid at best if they get good matchups and IM is overconfident the way the were against FXO in the GSTL. Expecting a 5-1 for QIM, with Liquid's only win coming against Sase.
On December 10 2011 02:09 Kompicek wrote: Well the thing about liquid that I dont really get is why such a top level team is keeping so many players that are quite notorious for not training too much (haypro, tyler, ret 3 hours a day - what?). Eventhough I love those guys way back from the sc1 days - in a powerhouse like liquid there just have to be results at all costs.
I really hope liquid gets over this overly "friendly" liquid policy. The teamspirit and friendship has to be there, but it shouldnt in any way be interfering with the results.
I dont mean to troll in any way, i cheer for liquid players in every tournament possible. I am just curious, what are your opinions on this matter?
These guys are the reason over half (probably way over) Liquid fans are actually Liquid fans in the first place. I have zero interest in an artificially built team of players I don't give a shit about. It's hard for me to accept new members as it is, and the only thing that makes me happy is that we're only getting oGs members that a few guys have already been living with and recruitment is extremely selective in general.
Results at all costs is an awful mentality. We can talk of falling behind in results when other foreign teams actually catch up with the results.
Liquid players could take a break for a year and most of big foreign teams still wouldn't catch up in terms of major lan wins.
Yes, you are correct that liquid probably has the most results up to date, but many fans feel that liquid has been a little falling behind some other organisations lately. Even if it looked that way, I wasnt in any way suggesting to kick the players - maybe a little change in the attitude or give more chance to some fresh hardworking talents? It also feels very unprofessional when you read afterwards that many liquid players are not practicing. Anyway Zenio is a great pickup, I hope he delivers i would love to see teamliquid owning the team leagues since I think they are awesome and fun for the fans.
On December 09 2011 11:51 MuK_x wrote: That games played like 1.5 month ago,if there is a rematch between QIM and TL in this times,TL will destroy QIM even with their "BIG" koreans.
Currently HerO,Ret,JinrO,Zenio is on their best conditions.
also @aviator116 you must learn difference between "see" and "look".
you just look to results but not seeing truth.
I think we know for a fact by now how good your predictions are:
On December 08 2011 04:19 red4ce wrote: 3 wins for Liquid at best if they get good matchups and IM is overconfident the way the were against FXO in the GSTL. Expecting a 5-1 for QIM, with Liquid's only win coming against Sase.
OK, didn't expect the games to be so one-sided. And deservedly so. Sase is a brilliant player no doubt, but just how terrible were Liquid players? It was not even close. Even when Sase makes huge blunders and gives a big advantage, Liquid players find a way to lose.
It might as well be that only Hero is playing at the top level for Liquid these days.
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