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On December 08 2011 06:01 VirgilSC2 wrote:
It's pretty obvious that anyone saying "NesTea, MVP, Happy, LosirA LOL" didn't watch GSTL. First of all, NesTea almost absolutely refuses to play in GSTL, it's been said in interviews, etc. He doesn't like to play Team League because it denies him his greatest strength, which is preparation for specific opponents. NesTea's GSTL Season 1 record was a very impressive, almost bonjwa-esque 0-1.
Likewise, MVP has looked incredibly mortal in team leagues, I believe his GSTL Season 1 performance amounted to a whopping 1-2 record, a win against Doctor G in the playoffs, and losses to qxc and TAiLS.
LosirA and Happy are probably the two players we'll see from the high end of the IM side, both of whom can fall prey to HerO, who has amazing PvZ (although LosirA has insane ZvP). Happy has not looked good in TvP lately, with his most recent team league appearance being a loss to NsHSSan on Daybreak.
Liquid also holds an almost unknown card in their deck in the form of Zenio, who hasn't had many televised matches recently. Combine this with HayprO holding the possibility of taking out LosirA ZvZ I think the biggest worry after that would be SaSe, who could easily fall to HerO in PvP. All in all it's going to come down to when Liquid decides to toss out it's Korean powerhouses.
I don't think this will be nearly as one sided as people think.
I don't disagree with you in saying that it will not be one sided. Team leagues like this are essentially a bunch of Bo1s strung together. There is a large amount of room for crazy things to happen and Bo1s are easiest for upsets. That being said, MVP, Nestea, Losira and Happy are almost unarguably better than anyone on liquid and therefore if they are played, QIM is automatically the favorite to win. On the other hand, I foresee a lot of quantic players playing and not alot of IM players playing. Who knows how this will turn out?
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im going with liquid on this one. most of the high caliber im players probably wont even play so it makes a liquid victory even more likely
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QIM has IMMVP. That is all.
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With HerO and zenio, liquid do have a chance, can't see anything other than an IM win though
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Its not fair 20 vs 5. they also have gsl winners -_-. the only chance liquid has is probably hero and Zenio. TLO beat nestea before and Jinro beat mc  . They should get oGs together to make it fair :D
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On December 08 2011 08:33 aintz wrote:
im going with liquid on this one. most of the high caliber im players probably wont even play so it makes a liquid victory even more likely
Yeah but even the lower tier IM players are better than everybody except Hero, Zenio, and maybe ret. And the mid tier guys are easily on their level.
Liquid will get anywhere from 1-4 wins, depending on who exactly IM puts out, but I highly doubt they win it
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IM will definitely field out Losira and Happy if they have to, but I basically guarantee even if they're down they won't send out MVP and Nestea.
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On December 08 2011 09:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:
IM will definitely field out Losira and Happy if they have to, but I basically guarantee even if they're down they won't send out MVP and Nestea.
they wont send out happy or losira i guarantee it 100 percent they would rather send out yonghwa or whatever his name is instead of these 2 look at slayers never sent out anyone besides there code b players
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On December 08 2011 09:27 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 09:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:
IM will definitely field out Losira and Happy if they have to, but I basically guarantee even if they're down they won't send out MVP and Nestea. they wont send out happy or losira i guarantee it 100 percent they would rather send out yonghwa or whatever his name is instead of these 2 look at slayers never sent out anyone besides there code b players
they will if it gets close to the ace match...if not ofc they won't...but they won't use mvp or nestea ...sometimes they don't even use them in gstl ... :D
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On December 08 2011 09:29 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 09:27 naux wrote:On December 08 2011 09:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:
IM will definitely field out Losira and Happy if they have to, but I basically guarantee even if they're down they won't send out MVP and Nestea. they wont send out happy or losira i guarantee it 100 percent they would rather send out yonghwa or whatever his name is instead of these 2 look at slayers never sent out anyone besides there code b players they will if it gets close to the ace match...if not ofc they won't...but they won't use mvp or nestea ...sometimes they don't even use them in gstl ... :D
i meant they wont use losira or happy even if they were on there 5th game and they were down by 4 theres no way there using 2 of there players in GSL theres a reason why they dont play online tourneys and such look at slayers for example when they used somebody they used alicia at the end really alicia? but they still won but really seriously alicia
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I think QIM will probably play 2 foreigners and 2 Korean b-teamers, and save the last spot for a high level player.
If necessary their last player will probably be some high level player (Happy, MVP, NesTea). I don't think LosirA will play, as he has GSL Up-and-down matches to prepare for while Happy/MVP/NesTea all retain Code S.
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Liquid players rarely get walked over and often can put up a good entertaining fight. Even if it is a 5-0 by IMYoda, the matches will still be entertaining.
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yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy...
oh yeah this shit made me laugh
On December 08 2011 04:13 MuK_x wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 04:08 SniXSniPe wrote:On December 08 2011 04:04 MuK_x wrote:On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action.
Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and
I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM. what? TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world. 2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM? MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy? So what? HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP. If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games. Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games). and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood.
ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL. Hero's lost to Losira before, and i hear that inka and sase are pretty damn good at PvP. Ret and Sheth both lost to Thorzain, and honestly Puma's TvZ is pretty mediocre for a high-level terran. did i mention that Happy trains with MVP, who is the god of TvT? and is one of the best mech users ever? honestly, if hero loses, TL loses.
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Some of the predictions here are amusing. 
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TL will win because IM didn't care and MVP,NesTea,LosirA and Happy probably won't play...
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Hopefully IM treats it like the GSTL and gives us a steady diet of YoDa, dreamertt, Junwi, Nuts, and the like.
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On December 08 2011 10:07 aviator116 wrote:yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy... oh yeah this shit made me laugh Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 04:13 MuK_x wrote:On December 08 2011 04:08 SniXSniPe wrote:On December 08 2011 04:04 MuK_x wrote:On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action.
Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and
I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM. what? TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world. 2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM? MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy? So what? HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP. If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games. Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games). and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood. ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL.
Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell.
Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too.
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On December 08 2011 12:19 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 10:07 aviator116 wrote:yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy... oh yeah this shit made me laugh On December 08 2011 04:13 MuK_x wrote:On December 08 2011 04:08 SniXSniPe wrote:On December 08 2011 04:04 MuK_x wrote:On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action.
Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and
I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM. what? TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world. 2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM? MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy? So what? HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP. If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games. Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games). and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood. ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL. Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell. Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too.
I have no clue why we're arguing about MVP anyways, since the possibility of him actually playing is pretty small.
Yes, anyone can beat anyone in SC2. Doesn't mean that we should readily assume the possibility of such things occuring on even a semi-regular basis, as the previous poster who instigated this entire argument insinuates. Fact remains, the average level of skill that MVP displays in meaningful matches is far beyond the average level of skill displayed by Haypro. That's what people should be basing their judgments on, not the one day (or weekend, rather, as even MVP's 2-0 against Losira was extremely shaky) where Haypro played about to his utmost skill level, and MVP was below average in his TvZ.
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On December 08 2011 14:15 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 12:19 Talin wrote:On December 08 2011 10:07 aviator116 wrote:yeah, if MVP or Nestea come out its going to be pretty much over for TL. hopefully they don't, and we'll actually see some really good games, but idk if hero can reverse all-kill against a group that has Losira and Happy... oh yeah this shit made me laugh On December 08 2011 04:13 MuK_x wrote:On December 08 2011 04:08 SniXSniPe wrote:On December 08 2011 04:04 MuK_x wrote:On December 08 2011 03:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
Depends mainly, if not only, on which players of IM we will see in action.
Would be surprised if QxG could pull a win against liquid on their own and
I would be surprised if liquid stands a change against IM. what? TL has a really decent roster.I mean they has a chance against every sc2 team in the world. 2 decent Korean Gorilla terran Manner zerg King of the Drones Insanely good sense of fashion ChillToss and a Banjo how can you say this guys not stands a chance against IM? MVP, NesTea, Losira, Happy? So what? HayprO beat NesTea at providence and almost beat MVP. If you think NesTea and LosirA problem for TL,you must watch HerO's PvZ games or Zenio ZvZ games. Happy? hehe give him Ret. Jinro has really good TvT as well. Sheth ZvT is improved a lot(Sheth vs PuMa,must watch games). and MVP? Ret wants Terran blood. ALMOST beat MVP doesn't mean beating MVP LOL. Actually in that case it pretty much does. HayprO lost two won games by one single decision each. That is really not much of a difference that you can fall back upon, fact is mvp got lucky as hell. Anyway, TL managed to have quite even series vs SlayerS, and SlayerS is more committed and prepares for these leagues much better than IM. IM even neglects GSTL and their players have lost many times in online matches too. I have no clue why we're arguing about MVP anyways, since the possibility of him actually playing is pretty small. Yes, anyone can beat anyone in SC2. Doesn't mean that we should readily assume the possibility of such things occuring on even a semi-regular basis, as the previous poster who instigated this entire argument insinuates. Fact remains, the average level of skill that MVP displays in meaningful matches is far beyond the average level of skill displayed by Haypro. That's what people should be basing their judgments on, not the one day (or weekend, rather, as even MVP's 2-0 against Losira was extremely shaky) where Haypro played about to his utmost skill level, and MVP was below average in his TvZ.
Obviously they're unlikely to come out, but your general argumentation is flawed anyway.
The players don't play games with their "average level of skill in meaningful matches displayed over a long period of time". They play their games with motivation, preparation and level of form that they show up with on that ONE specific day - and that is far from predictable for any player at this point, especially when it isn't a premier tournament.
You should never base your predictions around someone's average results and perceived level of skill, because that doesn't take context and situation into account, which means you're ignoring relevant information. These team leagues especially are all about preparation (which is why Slayers wins so much, because they're an organized team and take it seriously). The level of play that mvp and NesTea show in GSLs is almost completely irrelevant here.
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Doubt mvp will be in dis. He shld be preparing for his wcg games. But nestea losira happy sase are a pretty scary lineup.
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