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Mithridates
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
December 01 2011 16:42 GMT
#261
MarineAllinKingprime
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 01 2011 16:42 GMT
#262
"Probes don't win you games, especially not during the fights"

Ah, ToD.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 01 2011 16:44 GMT
#263
On December 02 2011 01:28 SeaSwift wrote:
I think MVP-style Marine/Tank play off of multiple bases could be the future of TvP. Yes, I know it has its flaws etc, but it can look really convincing if played properly. It's not a gimmicky 1base build like the 1-1-1 (although it can be used as such, see MVP vs MC at MLG Providence), but a genuine macro strategy. It has to do a pretty good contain to work really well, but you can easily take multiple bases and it gives a very strong style.


Dies to colossi and badly :'(
Zest fanboy.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 01 2011 16:44 GMT
#264
pretty anticlimactic ending to that game
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
December 01 2011 16:45 GMT
#265
Well, Ryung. That's how you execute an all-in on Crossfire.
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
December 01 2011 16:45 GMT
#266
Awww I wanted to watch at least 1 long game...
in a state of trance
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
December 01 2011 16:45 GMT
#267
Does MKP ever not all-in?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
December 01 2011 16:46 GMT
#268
zzz, predictably boring final game from marineking.

oh well, some good games dotted around today, looking forward to ST vs Prime!
JesusOurSaviour
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
December 01 2011 16:46 GMT
#269
Lol Tod so French.

Nice fnatic shirt as well
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 01 2011 16:46 GMT
#270
On December 02 2011 01:45 tomatriedes wrote:
Does MKP ever not all-in?

yea did you watch him vs Zenio the other day?
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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 01 2011 16:46 GMT
#271
On December 02 2011 01:44 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 01:28 SeaSwift wrote:
I think MVP-style Marine/Tank play off of multiple bases could be the future of TvP. Yes, I know it has its flaws etc, but it can look really convincing if played properly. It's not a gimmicky 1base build like the 1-1-1 (although it can be used as such, see MVP vs MC at MLG Providence), but a genuine macro strategy. It has to do a pretty good contain to work really well, but you can easily take multiple bases and it gives a very strong style.


Dies to colossi and badly :'(


See, that's what I mean by dismissal by people. Posters just spout counters to units and give that as an explanation for why shit doesn't work.

MMM: the future of TvP?

Dies to colossi and badly.

...
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
December 01 2011 16:47 GMT
#272
ToD is awesome!!!
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 01 2011 16:47 GMT
#273
On December 02 2011 01:46 Asha` wrote:
zzz, predictably boring final game from marineking.

oh well, some good games dotted around today, looking forward to ST vs Prime!


What event is that?
MMA: The true King of Wings
OMGKEI
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia590 Posts
December 01 2011 16:48 GMT
#274
Get ToD to come cast again!!
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
December 01 2011 16:49 GMT
#275
On December 02 2011 01:47 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 01:46 Asha` wrote:
zzz, predictably boring final game from marineking.

oh well, some good games dotted around today, looking forward to ST vs Prime!


What event is that?


The KSL has a team league part to it too, think it's tomorrow but I'm not 100% sure =)
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
December 01 2011 16:49 GMT
#276
On December 02 2011 01:47 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 01:46 Asha` wrote:
zzz, predictably boring final game from marineking.

oh well, some good games dotted around today, looking forward to ST vs Prime!


What event is that?

KSL friday.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
December 01 2011 16:50 GMT
#277
On December 02 2011 01:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 01:45 tomatriedes wrote:
Does MKP ever not all-in?

yea did you watch him vs Zenio the other day?


QFT. I hate to be the map-basher in this thread, but Crossfire is an all-in map due to the difficulty of taking a third safely. So I think it was a good idea, especially after Sage revealed aggressive early game tendencies in previous games.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-01 17:00:31
December 01 2011 16:58 GMT
#278
On December 02 2011 01:46 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2011 01:44 sAsImre wrote:
On December 02 2011 01:28 SeaSwift wrote:
I think MVP-style Marine/Tank play off of multiple bases could be the future of TvP. Yes, I know it has its flaws etc, but it can look really convincing if played properly. It's not a gimmicky 1base build like the 1-1-1 (although it can be used as such, see MVP vs MC at MLG Providence), but a genuine macro strategy. It has to do a pretty good contain to work really well, but you can easily take multiple bases and it gives a very strong style.


Dies to colossi and badly :'(


See, that's what I mean by dismissal by people. Posters just spout counters to units and give that as an explanation for why shit doesn't work.

MMM: the future of TvP?

Dies to colossi and badly.

...


Ok i'll try to explain you.

Tanks destroy stalkesr, but that's not a problem, marauders do it too. Zealots are light and you cannot hit them with your tanks, but your marines are suppose to clean this up. With godlike micro you could even target the sentries with your tanks to stop guardian shield. Until now it's ok and tanks are ok against Colossi. But there is one thing which is primordial that you can do: kite. Your marine have to protect your tanks, they've to stay at the front. And colossi just rapes marines. It's not even fun, your marines die in the blink of an eye, and upgrades made it even worse. You can add vikings but your marines will still disappear if they don't kite, and at this point you just go bio.

There is a reason why bio works late game vs protoss: you can avoid a good portion of the aoe with good control, kite colo/archons and snipe/emp ht.

Tanks/marines are really good to hold two base all in and one/two base timings all in, but as soon as the protoss gets enough colo it sucks. hard. I think you can kill most chargelots/archon build or at least contain them (Mvp vs MC on antiga shipyard a while ago) but you can't protect tank with marines once 3+ colo are out.

/e some typo
Zest fanboy.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
December 01 2011 17:01 GMT
#279
MarineKing did some 2base marine/tank/starport against TT1 long time ago in GSL world championship, but it probably doesn't work against similar skills opponents, and anyone that work is found, either by koreans either by ThorZain :D (remember his "imba" thor build?)
WriterMaru
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
December 01 2011 17:02 GMT
#280
I haven't seen anything special out of Sage in a while. This includes his stream, GSL, and other appearances. I've tried to be optimistic watching his play... but I only like watching HerO these days.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
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