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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.
In addition leave the usual out of this topic:
-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions
Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
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On November 25 2011 19:50 Pitrocelli wrote:
About Naniwa vs Stephano game :
Rouch hydra corruptor is outdated, everybody can agree with that.
Fast 3rd based on rouch ling spore into spine+infestor+Broodlord has become new standard. This style have been succesfull 2 months ago but nowadays protoss players adapted with various blink+2 attacks timings. Stephano's succes was based on this style.
Mass muta timings and switches are usually best joice but are weak against 7 gateway timings and good expanding covered by storms and archons.
I am pretty sure there is no safe zerg style in ZvP nowadays and in next few months winrate in ZvP will start favoring P heavily.
Muta switches are really solid in ZvP as long as you don't try to transition too early. Protoss loses map control and zerg has plenty of time to get lots of expansions and tech up. I can see that style being around for a while.
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People insulting Stefano are idiots. 1 tournament doesn't make you bad. He lost against great players, whats the surprise, eventually it happens. He'll bounce back.
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On November 25 2011 19:55 s3183529 wrote:
What is the music on Day9 Stream? squeaky squirrel?
It's Skrillex I think.
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On November 25 2011 19:53 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 19:52 Hall0wed wrote:On November 25 2011 19:36 HappyChris wrote:On November 25 2011 19:36 mrscheng wrote:
so stephano was a fluke yea Stephano was a fluke just winning 3 tournaments wtf you nub be quit. You cant win them all LOL you just show up EVERYWHERE when Stephano needs to be protected. Cute. It really should have been obvious that Stephano wasn't going to do well in this tournament unless he got lucky with his bracket like he normally does. He doesn't have any real determination it seems and you can really only keep falling if you don't have any determination. The only thing keeping him going is money, and that just isn't good enough of a reason to be able to keep up. seems like the best reason in my mind. only reason i go to work. =P
Only players like Incontrol that are living their dream are allowed to win tourneys..
WAITASECOND!
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I dunno about this dubstep on the day9 stream...
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you guys are little slow a ?
If Sheth wins vs Nani
and Stephano wins vs Cloud we have :
Sheth 3-0 and Nani, Cloud, Stephano all 1-2 tree way tie 
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Let's imagine that Sheth beats NaNiwa and Stephano beats ClouD.
In that case of Draw (1 W 2 L) among Stephano, NaNiwa and ClouD, who's passing through the round? Does the direct confrontation matter or what else?
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On November 25 2011 19:52 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 19:36 HappyChris wrote:On November 25 2011 19:36 mrscheng wrote:
so stephano was a fluke yea Stephano was a fluke just winning 3 tournaments wtf you nub be quit. You cant win them all LOL you just show up EVERYWHERE when Stephano needs to be protected. Cute. It really should have been obvious that Stephano wasn't going to do well in this tournament unless he got lucky with his bracket like he normally does. He doesn't have any real determination it seems and you can really only keep falling if you don't have any determination. The only thing keeping him going is money, and that just isn't good enough of a reason to be able to keep up.
USA vs Stephano LoL
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On November 25 2011 19:53 Anton K wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 19:51 pdd wrote:
Wow, Naniwa beat Stephano?
Were they long macro games or were they just a 2 base Protoss timing attack?
EDIT: Wow, Naniwa also lost to Cloud and Stephano lost 2 matches? Long macro games. What people doesnt realize is that naniwas 2 base timing isnt an all in. Stephano survived them and gained an advantage but lost in the end.
Yeah I know it isn't all in. I just wish more games go past the 2 base timing phase. It's kinda sad. Either Protosses kills everything or Zerg defends and then has so much map control after that.
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On November 25 2011 19:54 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 19:52 Hall0wed wrote:On November 25 2011 19:36 HappyChris wrote:On November 25 2011 19:36 mrscheng wrote:
so stephano was a fluke yea Stephano was a fluke just winning 3 tournaments wtf you nub be quit. You cant win them all LOL you just show up EVERYWHERE when Stephano needs to be protected. Cute. It really should have been obvious that Stephano wasn't going to do well in this tournament unless he got lucky with his bracket like he normally does. He doesn't have any real determination it seems and you can really only keep falling if you don't have any determination. The only thing keeping him going is money, and that just isn't good enough of a reason to be able to keep up. Lol when was he lucky with his brackets? XD. Anyways NesTea had very very easy brackets (except season 2) in his GSL runs and nobody said anything
I wouldn't say "very very very easy", but he didn't face any real titans either. However, a lot of people did in fact mention it. It's just that the voice of the NesTealites with the chief acolyte Artosis leading them drowned them all out. You have to admit though, winning a GSL without dropping a single game no matter who you faced is pretty darn amazing.
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On November 25 2011 19:50 Pitrocelli wrote:
About Naniwa vs Stephano game :
Rouch hydra corruptor is outdated, everybody can agree with that.
It was outdated back when infestors were buffed against armored, the new standard was to use infestors against massive deathballs while neural parasiting colossus.
Fungal was nerfed and neural parasite was removed from the game and ever since then roach hydra corruptor is making its return.
You cant just say xyz is outdated just because its a composition that has been used since the beginning of time.
Going straight for those broodlord roach infestor compositions usually leaves you very vulnerable in the midgame because it just takes so long to tech to broodlords.
Roach hydra corruptor is actually a good composition to transition into broodlord roach infestor, atleast imo.
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On November 25 2011 19:54 Poopi wrote:
Anyways NesTea had very very easy brackets (except season 2) in his GSL runs and nobody said anything
If you think that, you really missed a lot of haters.
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On November 25 2011 19:55 WaSa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 19:52 Lanfire wrote:
hm i dont like Apollo's remark about naniwa is clearly better than Stephano because he won one bo3.
let him go against MVP and Nestea first. Nani is certainly better than stephano atm...
ZvT and ZvZ != PvZ/PvT.
Plus anybody can take maps / beat NesTea & Mvp in america, but nobody can beat Mvp in korea in boX "offline".
Yeah remember GSL october was not in korea haha.
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On November 25 2011 19:52 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 19:46 HappyChris wrote:On November 25 2011 19:45 hydraden wrote:On November 25 2011 19:44 Pippi wrote:On November 25 2011 19:43 Bagi wrote:
Idra will probably not advance either, does that make him a fluke too? No, he is in a massive slump + Show Spoiler + Not slump at all. He is still top 5 foreigners. Yea behind Stephano but the difference is Stephano has to win every tournament while Idra dont. Matter infact Idra havent even won 1/10 was Sephano has won. So double standards and plain hate towards Stephano Stephano just happened to win the tournaments with higher prize pools. IdrA's MLG Orlando placing was a far harder path than either of Stephano's wins. IEM was comparable in difficulty to the tournament in France yet had barely any prize pool compared to it. Prize winnings aren't a determination of who is a better player unless you think Sjow is the third best foreigner.
Another difference is that Stephano has won like 4 out of 7 major lans he has participated in.
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On November 25 2011 19:57 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 19:52 Hall0wed wrote:On November 25 2011 19:36 HappyChris wrote:On November 25 2011 19:36 mrscheng wrote:
so stephano was a fluke yea Stephano was a fluke just winning 3 tournaments wtf you nub be quit. You cant win them all LOL you just show up EVERYWHERE when Stephano needs to be protected. Cute. It really should have been obvious that Stephano wasn't going to do well in this tournament unless he got lucky with his bracket like he normally does. He doesn't have any real determination it seems and you can really only keep falling if you don't have any determination. The only thing keeping him going is money, and that just isn't good enough of a reason to be able to keep up. USA vs Stephano LoL
but Stephano is team USA  everyone forgot?
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If HuK and IdrA tie at 2-1, does mapscore decide or Head-toHead (i.e. HuK advances)?
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How about we talk about players that are doing well in the tournament instead of spamming pointless arguments?
Does anyone know why Apollo said that a 3-way tiebreaker is impossible between Puma, Huk and Idra?
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2 groups 3-way ties would be out of this world tbh
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On November 25 2011 19:57 SugaredZeon wrote:
Let's imagine that Sheth beats NaNiwa and Stephano beats ClouD.
In that case of Draw (1 W 2 L) among Stephano, NaNiwa and ClouD, who's passing through the round? Does the direct confrontation matter or what else?
Map score is first, so nani who take a map from Cloud is in a better position (depend on how it'll go in next games)
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EPT
come on Orly take 1 game off him so greggers doesnt have to 2-0
