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On November 15 2011 03:42 aisight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 03:35 nofacej wrote:On November 15 2011 03:09 aisight wrote:On November 15 2011 03:00 leungwk01 wrote:
Also, there should be a limit on the amount of times you can get into GSL using the MLG system. I agree, Koreans should also only be allowed to enter the qualifiers so many times before having to travel to America and compete in MLG to get into the GSL. Who is going to fund the trips of all of these unknown Korean players? No idea, but if we're going to force US/EU players to attempt to qualify for GSL from Korea, then it's only fair that Koreans have to then attempt to qualify from the US.
Obviously the same thing. Seeing how the actual GSL tournament is actually held in Korea and all that. The fairer comparison would be koreans having to show up to MLG without the league exchange program, which they're doing already. I don't see many foreigners moving to korea and fighting their way through code B (is carn still there?).
The point the first poster was making that it might not be entirely fair to koreans to keep sending MLG no. 9, no. 15 and no. 27 to code A, who then lose in the first round but yet get seeded again next code A season. I don't think its an unreasonable assesment of what gom is doing, they're blatantly favouring foreigners over arguably better Korean players that get held down in code B.
A foreigner can show up to the code B qualifiers just like anyone else, and if you're actually living in Korea already, there's a lot to be said for a player making it on his own merits into code A instead of charity. Not sure if that implies that there needs to be a limit, but let's face it, at this point any foreigner in the top 25ish at an MLG can raise his hand saying he wants a free trip to korea.
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Sad for SaSe/Nani and Sage.
Especially for Sase and Nani, Sase has one of the best PvP in MLG and then suddenly fell off the chair lost 0-4 against Nani in MLG Global and now 0-2 vs JYP who is bad at PvP.
Nani played the first game so beautiful. But man BLs is like pain in the ass, I don't even know how to stop them at all. Feel bad for him, Zerg's deathball > Protoss deathball for sure 
Oh and Sage was just trying to be too cute in game 2. Forgg is pretty sick good, I can see him in code S next ss for sure, and winning GSL vs MVP in just a couple months.
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On November 15 2011 04:09 tuho12345 wrote:Sad for SaSe/Nani and Sage. Especially for Sase and Nani, Sase has one of the best PvP in MLG and then suddenly fell off the chair lost 0-4 against Nani in MLG Global and now 0-2 vs JYP who is bad at PvP. Nani played the first game so beautiful. But man BLs is like pain in the ass, I don't even know how to stop them at all. Feel bad for him, Zerg's deathball > Protoss deathball for sure Oh and Sage was just trying to be too cute in game 2. Forgg is pretty sick good, I can see him in code S next ss for sure, and winning GSL vs MVP in just a couple months.
I dunno if he scouted the Greater Spire at all. If he did and went Void Rays, he should've won. Lucky had almost no upgrades on anything, a bunch of useless mutas, and blings without drops. Unfortunately he just tried to kill the Broods with blink stalkers, which are not cost efficient at all.
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FUCK~ Foreigners
But on the other hand Nada + ForGG got through
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On November 15 2011 04:09 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 03:42 aisight wrote:On November 15 2011 03:35 nofacej wrote:On November 15 2011 03:09 aisight wrote:On November 15 2011 03:00 leungwk01 wrote:
Also, there should be a limit on the amount of times you can get into GSL using the MLG system. I agree, Koreans should also only be allowed to enter the qualifiers so many times before having to travel to America and compete in MLG to get into the GSL. Who is going to fund the trips of all of these unknown Korean players? No idea, but if we're going to force US/EU players to attempt to qualify for GSL from Korea, then it's only fair that Koreans have to then attempt to qualify from the US. Obviously the same thing. Seeing how the actual GSL tournament is actually held in Korea and all that. The fairer comparison would be koreans having to show up to MLG without the league exchange program, which they're doing already. I don't see many foreigners moving to korea and fighting their way through code B (is carn still there?). The point the first poster was making that it might not be entirely fair to koreans to keep sending MLG no. 9, no. 15 and no. 27 to code A, who then lose in the first round but yet get seeded again next code A season. I don't think its an unreasonable assesment of what gom is doing, they're blatantly favouring foreigners over arguably better Korean players that get held down in code B. A foreigner can show up to the code B qualifiers just like anyone else, and if you're actually living in Korea already, there's a lot to be said for a player making it on his own merits into code A instead of charity. Not sure if that implies that there needs to be a limit, but let's face it, at this point any foreigner in the top 25ish at an MLG can raise his hand saying he wants a free trip to korea.
Koreans are able to show up to MLG because it takes all of a weekend to complete and promises fairly strong payouts for making it deep (4th place at an MLG is roughly equivalent to taking the championship of Code A, assuming Code A will even have a championship anymore; one takes two and a half days while the other takes over a month!). If a foreigner intends to qualify for Code A through the Code B brackets, he needs to travel to Korea and play on weekdays (November's qualifiers were on a Wednesday and a Thursday). It's a single elimination 16-man bracket that promises no reward except to the winner. The reward is: you get to compete in Code A, better rent an apartment. This is completely okay for those already living in Korea (and the foreigners living in Korea are already attempting to qualify through Code B anyway). Not so much for players whose long-term arrangements would be based solely on if they win four sets in a row.
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Dayum. One of the more balanced results GSL has ever produced, no? x)
Really sad for the foreigners though. Wish at least ONE made it through.. Time to go jump on the EGHuK bandwagon. ^^
Excited to see how well ForGG does (basically a precursor to the BW-SC2 switch armageddon to come)...
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As happy as I was to watch ForGG play well, it was a shame he had to bitchslap Sage. Was hoping he would get someone that didn't really have a future. (Ensnare etc.)
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I'm a big of a park ji soo fan as anyone here, but so far, he has shown what's expected from a former a teamer BW player playing sc2...Amazing mechanics, maximizes the usage of a small amount of units, however struggling to grasp the metagame and having a solid fluid strategy. This will come with time.
ForGG, will be a formidable player in future tournaments in due time, but being on another level...a bit far fetched.. Calling him a cheeser...also farfetched, I think he's proven that through the weeklys that he does have a solid macro game as well.
It'll be interesting...a true measurement of skill..with him going against Polt...and if he does manage to get through, facing possibly July or NaDa. Tough road to Code S.
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On November 15 2011 01:54 Sandster wrote:
Anyone who has followed starcraft for more than a few months should know "gg" does not literally mean "good game". You "gg" as a courtesy, kind of like shaking hands after sporting events or business negotiations.
Essentially, gg acknowledges the other player. Not doing so is downright rude. You can choose to do whatever you want on your pubstomp ladder games, but when you are a professional, then you are expected to follow these norms. You know ballplayers that refuse to shake the other team's hands? Yeah, you're THAT guy if you don't gg.
im surprised so many ppl dont understand this. all these excuses about not gging if they dont feel its a good game. pretty ignorant and selfish thing to do.
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can we get a sad foreigner fan club?
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Very disappointed by the foreigner performance, yet again. They all looked way out of their depth. ForGG's win was unimpressive; Sage played poorly and would have been beaten by any Terran in Code A. I think Sage underestimated ForGG and tried to play too cute.
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WHAT THE FUCK PROTOSS GETTING KNOCKED OUT
Fuck fuck FUCK
Genius made it through but
HongUn, Ensnare, Sage, even Naniwa got knocked out? FUCK!
At least we still have JYP :D
also, damn forgg must be really good...
and i don't really care that much for soccer sorry, nada and soccer used to be on same team anyways, i'd take nada over soccer xD
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How do you see that many zerglings out in the field, lose a zealot, don't wall-off and STILL try to go for a 1 gate-expand against a speedling build, which is pretty much universally accepted to be a death wish, while going stargate as part of your wall-off? I don't understand. I know naniwa had an entire build planned, but to not be able to respond to what he saw at his level is crazy. Also I wonder why he never transitioned to void rays against the hive tech late game.
I've been watching he kill it in his stream for a week now and I have to say I'm extremely disappointed in his performance.
JYP vs. SaSe was great, sick display of micro by both players. And nice that NaDa and Genius advanced!
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I feel nani definitely left a little early in game 1... he was certainly in a rough spot, but with only a 10 supply deficit... ive seen crazier things happen
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Sad to see Select, Naniwa and SaSe go down 0-2 =/. Would be cool if they will continue fighting and do better next time!
Nani has been there so long, really hope he can break through!
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Hahahaha, I´m just watching the VODS(and reading the LR thread) and I decided to watch the naniwa games.
Lol the 2nd one, lol, 1 Gate FE has always been punishable by Lings. The sad thing is that a lot of morons in the LR thread were blaming balance on naniwas defeat. Wow, LR threads do not disappoint.
Naniwa played too greedy(no wall off at ramp, no scouting, losing one Zealot for nothing.) He lost because his play was dumb that game. Poor naniwa I feel bad for him, but the loss was on him, no IMBA he played worse.
Well, better luck next time.Damn whats with Code A and foreigners? Not even Select could do it :\
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Wow sage getting spanked by forGG, can definitely see him taking code A. Naniwa's ragequit was pretty unwarranted, it's no one's fault but his own that he missed that force field.
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yay Nada. I was bit worried when he said he wasn't practicing on his stream yesterday.
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On November 15 2011 04:09 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 03:42 aisight wrote:On November 15 2011 03:35 nofacej wrote:On November 15 2011 03:09 aisight wrote:On November 15 2011 03:00 leungwk01 wrote:
Also, there should be a limit on the amount of times you can get into GSL using the MLG system. I agree, Koreans should also only be allowed to enter the qualifiers so many times before having to travel to America and compete in MLG to get into the GSL. Who is going to fund the trips of all of these unknown Korean players? No idea, but if we're going to force US/EU players to attempt to qualify for GSL from Korea, then it's only fair that Koreans have to then attempt to qualify from the US. Obviously the same thing. Seeing how the actual GSL tournament is actually held in Korea and all that. The fairer comparison would be koreans having to show up to MLG without the league exchange program, which they're doing already. I don't see many foreigners moving to korea and fighting their way through code B (is carn still there?). The point the first poster was making that it might not be entirely fair to koreans to keep sending MLG no. 9, no. 15 and no. 27 to code A, who then lose in the first round but yet get seeded again next code A season. I don't think its an unreasonable assesment of what gom is doing, they're blatantly favouring foreigners over arguably better Korean players that get held down in code B. A foreigner can show up to the code B qualifiers just like anyone else, and if you're actually living in Korea already, there's a lot to be said for a player making it on his own merits into code A instead of charity. Not sure if that implies that there needs to be a limit, but let's face it, at this point any foreigner in the top 25ish at an MLG can raise his hand saying he wants a free trip to korea.
seriously youre going with this argument?
it's easier for Koreans to show up to MLG who arent in the league exchange program because its only a weekend tournament. It's easy to just drop whatever you're doing and go somewhere for the weekend. But if they come to play in Code A, that's potentially a whole month in which they're going to stay in Korea.
I'm fine with the current system. I actually feel they should give more code A seeds to foreigners. Like 3-4 in the up and downs plus 4 in Code A RO48
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