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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Now with the new system and new maps (this one seems harder for T for example), it may force them to actually improve their skill in that matchup. Well if Protoss becomes overpowered after the patch, it will still be time to remove some upgrade, like storm for example  | ||
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Dew.
Brazil104 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:46 Alvis wrote: Now PvT has 80% win-rate in this map. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/497_Calm Before the Storm OMG ZvP 100% winrate for Zerg!!!! Now THAT is imbalance!! In other news, lets go Puzzle!! Take down this July dude! | ||
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MagmaRam
United States395 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:50 doko100 wrote: you can't build hellions when you go MMMVG. Generally you have a factory if you have vikings and medivacs, getting blue flame probably wouldn't work because of the gas cost but unless there's something I'm missing a player could easily grab some (edit: red flame) hellions out of it. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
That's true! | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:51 Pipeline wrote: The answer in Clides case on that map should have been Ghosts and lots of them. At several points he had over 1000 gas saved up and at one point near 2000! Ghosts with EMP and +3 weapons deal massive damage to zealots (and other light units) Huk had too many Colossi for that. Ghosts die pretty fast to them. | ||
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VPVash
United States139 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:52 rakoth wrote: wow terrans crying for balance in a GSL thread, this is hilarious. GJ Huk, go Puzzle! You're hilarious for not realising terran isn't a good race...kekekeke | ||
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ypslala
Burma545 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:47 bittman wrote: What do you do to maximise collosii efficiency outside of attack moving? haha On November 09 2011 20:47 bittman wrote: What do you do to maximise collosii efficiency outside of attack moving? haha But yeah, his blstalker and HT usage was great. Zealots, well there's not exactly much to maximise there except keeping them in the front (which is easy to do with a low stalker count). the thing with colossi is: keeping them alive and protect them, while they deal damage. if you dont, they are a tons of wasted money. try it out and you will understand. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38256 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:48 SolidZeal wrote: Calm looks really hard for T vs P. I think they would have to be a bit more risky with early expands and macro really hard. I don't think that really works, Clide had an earlier third and an earlier fourth + a huge supply lead but wasn't able to convert it into anything. The choke into the nat makes it pretty hard to punish toss even if you have an advantage and once they have a 3base eco rolling it's never easy to break. Jjakji tried to damage Killer's 3base with some drop play but Killer had a very nice set up with defensive cannons + stalkers behind the mineral lines so couldn't get anything done. I'm not really sure what's the best way to punish Toss on that map, it's like Tal'darim but it's very hard to get a good late game engage on for T given there's a lot of paths rather than a lot of open space. Will be interesting to see how TvP pans out in the future on it, and whether we see more toss just trying to 3base turtle with double ups on most maps. === Gogo Puzzle! | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:49 Gotmog wrote: Couldn't agree less... Due to mechanic of EMP and snipe. Terran with same control will destroy protoss late deathball. However, both sides have to micro...A LOT. tank with zealots, blinkstalkers on vikings, spread and manualy use storms, protect colosi... Same on T side. Except that its easier with AoE EMP and higher range snipe. errr, Storm/Feedback isn't that much worst than EMP/Snipe, especially with decent spread of your templars like Huk did, or with Warp prism (which Huk didn't use), especially with the recent emp range nerf. That aside, a fully upgraded max P deathball is definitely stronger than a T's main army | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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ChaosTerran
Austria844 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:52 MagmaRam wrote: Generally you have a factory if you have vikings and medivacs, getting blue flame probably wouldn't work because of the gas cost but unless there's something I'm missing a player could easily grab some (edit: red flame) hellions out of it. and then you have 0/0 red flame hellions with not enough infrastructure to even mass them. good idea. | ||
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grappasc
Belgium86 Posts
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Pajegetc
United States3158 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:52 MagmaRam wrote: Generally you have a factory if you have vikings and medivacs, getting blue flame probably wouldn't work because of the gas cost but unless there's something I'm missing a player could easily grab some (edit: red flame) hellions out of it. But redflame Helions with 0-0 i doubt that does any good to 3-(?)-3 Protoss armies. | ||
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Ghrimnar
Germany260 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:54 grappasc wrote: ... pudgel lol, you actually spelled that out way better then i did :p | ||
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:51 Pipeline wrote: The answer in Clides case on that map should have been Ghosts and lots of them. At several points he had over 1000 gas saved up and at one point near 2000! Ghosts with EMP and +3 weapons deal massive damage to zealots (and other light units) Ghosts were pretty pointless for Clide because he doesn't know how to use them... | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:51 Dodgin wrote: I agree completely, but it was not " so bad " in comparison. His PvT is more turtlish, which is not very fun to watch, but I agree, Killer may very well have played his games better. But again, Virus and jjakji are not top tier Terrans (Clide neither I guess but he's here since the beginning). | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
On November 09 2011 20:53 VPVash wrote: You're hilarious for not realising terran isn't a good race...kekekeke yeah...  | ||
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