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Wombutt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States159 Posts
November 09 2011 10:44 GMT
#701
yes i have my robe and wizard hat on!! virus fighting
All Dae
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 09 2011 10:44 GMT
#702
On November 09 2011 19:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:38 Hassybaby wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:37 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:33 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:31 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!


Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required.
I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..


You have never seen tanks in TvP?

Really guy?


Um, so what macro games have a terran who went for tanks won?
Are you going to say goody?


I was gonna say Jinro

Twice

How long ago was that again? And let's not forget that Jinro has since categorically said that mech cannot work in TvP so I don't know why you'd choose that as an example.


Never mentioned a time frame. He asked for an example. I gave him 2 from the same player
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
November 09 2011 10:44 GMT
#703
On November 09 2011 19:43 Mainland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:31 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!


Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required.
I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..


BFH is also worth considering to get rid of the zealot meat shield faster. Theorycrafting, I think an ideal approach to fighting zealot colossus archon would be EMPing the shit out of everything, then having hellions behind marauders, and then a few tanks in back focusing on stalkers with vikings and medivacs in the air.

No matter what, I think P will always be stronger in a heads-up fight super late game assuming perfect control, I think Terran will need to focus more on drops on remote bases and spreading out the P army, limiting bases and stressing the multitask to gain an advantage.

hellions get demolished by colossus.
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NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
November 09 2011 10:45 GMT
#704
Fun fact:

Every Code-S protoss has made Ro16 this season so far. (MC, Oz, Killer)

2 yet to play (Huk, Puzzle)
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
November 09 2011 10:45 GMT
#705
On November 09 2011 19:38 bbm wrote:
can someone describe what happened in more words than just double proxy to the poor among us at work?


So they double proxy, both send marauder to other base. Jakji builds offensive bunker in supernovas choke. At this point they both go oh shit. Jakji lifts orbital and rax and sends to supernova's base along with all scv. (he has a bunker protecting the choke!) Supernova builds second barracks and techlab in his base and keeps mining. Now he has significantly more marauder than Jakji. He tries to bust bunker by attacking with marauders he has on both side. Jakji ends up winning fight with one ~10 hp marauder and 2 scv vs nothing for supernova. That was pretty much the end, Jakji is mining (in supernova base) and producing. Finds the second barracks and picks off the 2 units there. Supernova flies buildings around for a bit than gg's.

Hope this is helpful for anyone wondering who could not see.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
November 09 2011 10:45 GMT
#706
On November 09 2011 19:43 kslghost wrote:
Seeker missiles would also be ineffective. Ghosts are the only AOE for Terran vs Protoss.


Seeker Missle + EMP would be pretty devastating.

Obviously Feedback is a fantastic counter to Ravens, but Seeker Missle on a Deathball that's already weakened by EMP would definitely be effective.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
November 09 2011 10:45 GMT
#707
On November 09 2011 19:44 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:37 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:33 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:31 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!


Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required.
I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..


You have never seen tanks in TvP?

Really guy?


Um, so what macro games have a terran who went for tanks won?
Are you going to say goody?

MVP v MC 2bases tanks rines turrents bunker contain win? its one of the most convincing TvP win


I mentioned just now that MVP transitioned to bio after he contained. Fact is, late game tanks don't work against mass chargelots + blink stalkers + immortals.
MVP hit a nice timing before MC could get all that but after he got the contain up, he immediately transitioned to mass bio.
bbQ4Aiur
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong2752 Posts
November 09 2011 10:45 GMT
#708
On November 09 2011 19:45 NHY wrote:
Fun fact:

Every Code-S protoss has made Ro16 this season so far. (MC, Oz, Killer)

2 yet to play (Huk, Puzzle)

More like a happy fact
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
November 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#709
What I can say about that last game is..
2 terrans 1 base
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
November 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#710
On November 09 2011 19:45 NHY wrote:
Fun fact:

Every Code-S protoss has made Ro16 this season so far. (MC, Oz, Killer)

2 yet to play (Huk, Puzzle)

And only one lost in Code A so far (GuineaPig). Hero, Brown and Parting all advanced.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
November 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#711
On November 09 2011 19:42 poorcloud wrote:
Probably terrans need more ravens + vikings in their army composition. Snipe off obs so protoss can't see your ravens to feedback. Then pdd a shit load and shoot down all the colossus while emping the templars perfectly and kiting and spreading your bio.

Sounds like insane micro to me. Can't wait for HOTS already.

i am not sure, but i think seekers have very low firing range, so they always will be feedbacked unless you hit every ht with emp
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woob
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1322 Posts
November 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#712
are tastosis casting live?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ez
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#713
On November 09 2011 19:44 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:43 Mainland wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:31 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!


Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required.
I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..


BFH is also worth considering to get rid of the zealot meat shield faster. Theorycrafting, I think an ideal approach to fighting zealot colossus archon would be EMPing the shit out of everything, then having hellions behind marauders, and then a few tanks in back focusing on stalkers with vikings and medivacs in the air.

No matter what, I think P will always be stronger in a heads-up fight super late game assuming perfect control, I think Terran will need to focus more on drops on remote bases and spreading out the P army, limiting bases and stressing the multitask to gain an advantage.

hellions get demolished by colossus.

And their + dmg to light was nerfed hard. No mech composition is good in the late game, and every protoss/terran knows it. There was also that thor nerf that put 250 mm back on energy too.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
November 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#714
On November 09 2011 19:44 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:41 FuzzyJAM wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:38 Hassybaby wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:37 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:33 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:31 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!


Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required.
I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..


You have never seen tanks in TvP?

Really guy?


Um, so what macro games have a terran who went for tanks won?
Are you going to say goody?


I was gonna say Jinro

Twice

How long ago was that again? And let's not forget that Jinro has since categorically said that mech cannot work in TvP so I don't know why you'd choose that as an example.


Never mentioned a time frame. He asked for an example. I gave him 2 from the same player


Lol i guess. Thats true but anyways, my point is that tanks don't work in late game t v p current metagame right now.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
November 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#715
On November 09 2011 16:51 Fionn wrote:
Why are we even playing this? I already predicted Supernova wins this tournament. Group G should just forfeit.

NOVAmber is coming.

+ Show Spoiler +
Puzzle/Clide + Supernovamber/Jjakji to advance


lol, ouch!
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
November 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#716
Im not sure who to root for, was a fan of jjaki, but his play today didnt seem to amazing. Virus seemed a bit better, so mmmmmm
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
bbQ4Aiur
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong2752 Posts
November 09 2011 10:46 GMT
#717
On November 09 2011 19:45 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:44 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:37 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:33 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:31 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!


Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required.
I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..


You have never seen tanks in TvP?

Really guy?


Um, so what macro games have a terran who went for tanks won?
Are you going to say goody?

MVP v MC 2bases tanks rines turrents bunker contain win? its one of the most convincing TvP win


I mentioned just now that MVP transitioned to bio after he contained. Fact is, late game tanks don't work against mass chargelots + blink stalkers + immortals.
MVP hit a nice timing before MC could get all that but after he got the contain up, he immediately transitioned to mass bio.

More like MC tried to break the hard contain of tanks and bunkers and lost?
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 10:48:13
November 09 2011 10:47 GMT
#718
On November 09 2011 19:45 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:43 kslghost wrote:
Seeker missiles would also be ineffective. Ghosts are the only AOE for Terran vs Protoss.


Seeker Missle + EMP would be pretty devastating.

Obviously Feedback is a fantastic counter to Ravens, but Seeker Missle on a Deathball that's already weakened by EMP would definitely be effective.


Seeker Missile is not that great against ground units . The radius is pretty small when you see it in action especially since Protoss units are pretty big. . It's great against Air since those don't have any collision though. Not to mention the low range of Ravens.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
November 09 2011 10:47 GMT
#719
On November 09 2011 19:45 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:45 NHY wrote:
Fun fact:

Every Code-S protoss has made Ro16 this season so far. (MC, Oz, Killer)

2 yet to play (Huk, Puzzle)

More like a happy fact

There will be more Toss than Zergs most likely

I'm gonna open the Sad Hydra fanclub.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 09 2011 10:47 GMT
#720
I am rooting for Virus in this match. I feel bad underestimating him in this group.
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