On November 09 2011 19:27 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Pretty bad TvP there by Virus. No harrassing, no tech switches, no anything.
pretty much this... he kept trying to attack the third for the longest time, which let killer get good position in the decisive battle.
the no harass was what killed him. he never spread Killer thin.
but no tech switches? what was he going to switch into? mech? that would have went real well. there isn't anything wrong with bio and then adding ghosts and vikings as needed. You just need to use it correctly. Watch Puma play TvP. Watch MMA vs MC. You need to drop and spread the protoss thin, gaining little advantages throughout the game.
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote: How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?
What other AoE does terran have?
Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!
Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required. I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..
You have never seen tanks in TvP?
Really guy?
Um, so what macro games have a terran who went for tanks won? Are you going to say goody?
I was gonna say Jinro
Twice
How long ago was that again? And let's not forget that Jinro has since categorically said that mech cannot work in TvP so I don't know why you'd choose that as an example.
On November 09 2011 19:38 bbm wrote: can someone describe what happened in more words than just double proxy to the poor among us at work?
Both opened proxy marauder in the exact same proxy spot, when the marauder arrived the both had nothing to defend. jjakji lifted his orbital and sent all his scv to meet his marauders, while sn built a in base hidden rax and kept mining. jjakji build a bunker in sn's choke point, then landed his CC near sn CC and started mining from here. (and he won every fight) Then sn tried to lift but too late, he had 1 supply vs a mining player.
On November 09 2011 19:38 shappens wrote: What is Fionn curse??
The guy who writes the TL predictions, Fionn, has on several occasions had the player that he predicted to advance from the group/win the match end up dropping to Code A/lose the match. First Polt, then Top and now SuperNova. Probably will be Puzzle next.
On November 09 2011 19:39 kslghost wrote: It's pretty simple - tanks lose to protoss because immortals are the hardest counter to them in the world and blink stalkers are also pretty good against them.
So are Zealots with Charge.
Siege tanks aren't really an option in TvP especially the later the game goes, Siege Tanks just are not cost effective.
IMO if Terrans need splash their best bet is ironically Seeker Missle in the late late game. Having some Ravens with the army would allow PDD to soak up Stalker Fire allowing fewer vikings to kill larger numbers of Collosus and Seeker Missle to take care of the Sentries and Stalkers.
Probably terrans need more ravens + vikings in their army composition. Snipe off obs so protoss can't see your ravens to feedback. Then pdd a shit load and shoot down all the colossus while emping the templars perfectly and kiting and spreading your bio.
Sounds like insane micro to me. Can't wait for HOTS already.
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote: How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?
What other AoE does terran have?
Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!
Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required. I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..
You have never seen tanks in TvP?
Really guy?
Um, so what macro games have a terran who went for tanks won? Are you going to say goody?
I was gonna say Jinro
Twice
How long ago was that again? And let's not forget that Jinro has since categorically said that mech cannot work in TvP so I don't know why you'd choose that as an example.
Close position shattered temple and scrap station as well...
On November 09 2011 19:38 bbm wrote: can someone describe what happened in more words than just double proxy to the poor among us at work?
After they both proxied, jjakji built a bunker at supernova's choke and pulled his scvs while supernova kept mining. Since jjakji pulled his scvs he had 4 marauders and 10 scvs while supernova had about 7 marauders and 4 scvs. Supernova engaged the bunker shooting the scvs repairing and once the scvs died it was 2 marauders and 2 scvs vs 2 marauders and 2 scvs. Jjajki got the first marauder volley off and had 2 scvs and 1 marauder left over. The rest was both them mining from supernovas minerals with mules and supernova fantasy gg timing.
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote: How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?
What other AoE does terran have?
Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!
Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required. I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..
BFH is also worth considering to get rid of the zealot meat shield faster. Theorycrafting, I think an ideal approach to fighting zealot colossus archon would be EMPing the shit out of everything, then having hellions behind marauders, and then a few tanks in back focusing on stalkers with vikings and medivacs in the air.
No matter what, I think P will always be stronger in a heads-up fight super late game assuming perfect control, I think Terran will need to focus more on drops on remote bases and spreading out the P army, limiting bases and stressing the multitask to gain an advantage.
On November 09 2011 19:38 shappens wrote: What is Fionn curse??
The guy who writes the TL predictions, Fionn, has on several occasions had the player that he predicted to advance from the group/win the match end up dropping to Code A/lose the match. First Polt, then Top and now SuperNova. Probably will be Puzzle next.
I was actually pretty perfect on predictions/final predictions overall and then I went out on a limb, picked TOP to win the GSL against MVP, and everyone I pick since loses.
TOP's career has also gone down the drain since I picked him. Poor guy.
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote: How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?
What other AoE does terran have?
Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!
Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required. I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..
You have never seen tanks in TvP?
Really guy?
Um, so what macro games have a terran who went for tanks won? Are you going to say goody?
I was gonna say Jinro
Twice
How long ago was that again? And let's not forget that Jinro has since categorically said that mech cannot work in TvP so I don't know why you'd choose that as an example.
Yep. Jinro uses pure bio now in his t v p so don't understand your point. Back when jinro beat MC with mech, MKP was winning TvTs with pure bio.
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote: How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?
What other AoE does terran have?
Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!
Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required. I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..
You have never seen tanks in TvP?
Really guy?
Um, so what macro games have a terran who went for tanks won? Are you going to say goody?
MVP v MC 2bases tanks rines turrents bunker contain win? its one of the most convincing TvP win
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