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pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 09 2011 10:38 GMT
#661
On November 09 2011 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I wasn't paying attention to the beginning... WTF HAPPEND?!!!

I'll definitely re-watch this one on VODS.

Double proxy marauders.
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Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
November 09 2011 10:38 GMT
#662
On November 09 2011 19:37 forsooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!

If you think tanks work vs Protoss, then you really don't understand the matchup at all. Ravens are something Terran should get more but not for seeker missiles. Nukes are cutesy but pretty easy to mitigate with warp-ins and cannons.

It's not like Terran players are all going bio in TvP because we want to. It's actually the only choice because mech is so immobile and because Protoss can remax faster than Terran as-is with Terran going bio. If you try a mech composition and don't completely dominate every engagement, you will get run over because your resupply will be absurdly slow by comparison.


Also this is true. Tanks work extremely early (like during a 1-1-1) but if you are playing a basic macro game with a protoss tanks are pretty bad because they are nullified by so many things.
Maruprime.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#663
On November 09 2011 19:38 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:38 bbm wrote:
can someone describe what happened in more words than just double proxy to the poor among us at work?

I'm afraid there are no words to explain the sheer retardedness of that game >.<

I watched the whole thing and i can't even explain it. I think they were both mining from the same minerals at one point. I.... i really don't have the words.
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kslghost
Profile Joined June 2011
246 Posts
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#664
It's pretty simple - tanks lose to protoss because immortals are the hardest counter to them in the world and blink stalkers are also pretty good against them.
maxmap
Profile Joined October 2011
Korea (South)11 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 10:39:54
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#665
[image loading]

This is DUAL CORE!!!
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#666
On November 09 2011 19:37 Fionn wrote:
Supernovamber ended before it even began.



And it's all your fault!

aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#667
On November 09 2011 19:38 Zanno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:38 bbm wrote:
can someone describe what happened in more words than just double proxy to the poor among us at work?

two orbitals mining off the same main


Plus SCVs killing marauders
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Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#668
On November 09 2011 19:37 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:36 s3rp wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:33 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:31 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!


Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required.
I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..


You have never seen tanks in TvP?

Really guy?


Have you ever seen what happens beyond 1-1-1 with tanks ? They get useless.

There is no beyond 1-1-1. If it fails they just all-in again and either win or lose.


The more correct argument would be: do you see what happens to tank timing pushes beyond the tank timing push?

The issue being chargelots mainly, but HotS will add battle hellions to meatshield up and make tanks potentially more useful in the later parts of the game.

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is hellion marauder medivac =/
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s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#669
Bad decision by Supernova to stay near the bunker to try to kill the SCVs. He should have run inside after killing the marauders not in the bunker.
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#670
They take 1basing to a whole other level.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#671
On November 09 2011 19:38 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:37 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:33 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:31 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!


Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required.
I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..


You have never seen tanks in TvP?

Really guy?


Um, so what macro games have a terran who went for tanks won?
Are you going to say goody?

Actually check the MVP vs MC game from a few seasons back. MVP basically did a 2 base marine-tank-banshee composition.


And he transitioned into bio late game?
The original point was that why didn't terran transition into tanks late game.
That 2 base marine tank banshee was useful in setting up a contain, kind of like a 1-1-1. Then MVP went into full bio, putting down 5 raxes immediately after that.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 09 2011 10:39 GMT
#672
Go HuK, may thou smash some faces.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 09 2011 10:40 GMT
#673
On November 09 2011 19:39 kslghost wrote:
It's pretty simple - tanks lose to protoss because immortals are the hardest counter to them in the world and blink stalkers are also pretty good against them.


And zealots make them shoot each other =)

And on big gsl maps you can always just waltz around them.

Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
November 09 2011 10:40 GMT
#674
I must say good job on the new bel shir map, removing gold and making it that theme. It reminds me a little bit about red alert
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
November 09 2011 10:40 GMT
#675
On November 09 2011 19:38 bbm wrote:
can someone describe what happened in more words than just double proxy to the poor among us at work?

They both killed each other, then landed their CC's in the same base and started mining in a race to build marauders to win with, the proxy bunker then got turned into a defensive bunker and it held off the marauders coming from the other side of the map. it was extremely close, i think a few hp made the difference and the scv's all died.
SC2Real
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany184 Posts
November 09 2011 10:40 GMT
#676
On November 09 2011 19:39 kslghost wrote:
It's pretty simple - tanks lose to protoss because immortals are the hardest counter to them in the world and blink stalkers are also pretty good against them.


dont forget about charge zealots :D
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 10:42:16
November 09 2011 10:40 GMT
#677
On November 09 2011 19:37 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:36 s3rp wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:33 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:31 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:29 Medrea wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:27 poorcloud wrote:
On November 09 2011 19:26 Mainland wrote:
How does he expect to play lategame TvP without ghosts or any other AoE?


What other AoE does terran have?


Tanks? Seeker missile? Nuke? Terran has more AoE's than the other races!


Lol. Go tanks in TvP? Seeker missile may be something not developed yet. Nuke is possible but is more gimmicky than required.
I figure that with protosses now discovering how to own terran with upgrades, terrans have to innovate and we start seeing more raven or other builds right now. Bio just can't cut it in late game against protoss of equal skill..


You have never seen tanks in TvP?

Really guy?


Have you ever seen what happens beyond 1-1-1 with tanks ? They get useless.

There is no beyond 1-1-1. If it fails they just all-in again and either win or lose.


Thats not how i meant it more like beyond a 1-1-1 timing ( in like not moving out ) , tanks become bad once upgrade and charge kick in combined with AOE. and or Immortals.
kslghost
Profile Joined June 2011
246 Posts
November 09 2011 10:40 GMT
#678
Well, hardest counter that doesn't happen to be air, at least. I have seen a few builds where you get one early tank, but it's super risky I believe.
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
November 09 2011 10:40 GMT
#679
On November 09 2011 19:38 Zanno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 19:38 bbm wrote:
can someone describe what happened in more words than just double proxy to the poor among us at work?

two orbitals mining off the same main


dear lord

vods can not come soon enough
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
Rykros
Profile Joined May 2011
483 Posts
November 09 2011 10:40 GMT
#680
Ok ill explain . Both guys proxy marauder rushed each other. Then jakjji fled into supernova base . Two orbitals of different players were mining from each other while marauder battles were going on . Supernova lost the marauder battle and therefore the game.
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