After the success of the 3 first editions Millenium is proud to announce the MSI Pro Cup #4, MSI decide to renew their event but this time with more prize Money and players. It will be in a single elimination bracket with 14 players fighting for a total of 1000€.
Please Note that MSI Pro Cup will be now a monthly event !
This time 14 players over the best in Europe, including 2 french speakers, qualified through MSI Pro Cup French qualifiers.
Nice lineup so far. Really hope there will be an english cast with decent casters.
I like that a cup like this (with a pretty large prize pool for a monthly cup) will be held every month from now on, good stuff. GL HF to all the players.
Always the same Dimaga, Strelok, Kas, elfi etc... You could melt a bit, even if you keep 2 or 3 verry strongs you could add more up commers internationnals like syz, snute etc...
Well I actually wouldnt mind casting it send the Millenium guys a PM today, if they respond in time for me to set everything up I'll probably provide an english stream.
Well, I will be streaming the tournament in english. The URL for the stream is http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV It hasn't been added to the OP so far, but I guess that'll happen later on
On November 17 2011 00:15 plutonowy wrote: who plays vs nerchio and vs stephano? and how bracket tree looks like? anyone?
Nobody. The final winner and looser of the previous edition have a free round as reward (and money of course ^^). Last month Stephano won and Nerchio was 2nd.
Both finalist from previous edition got a "free round" .
First day = top bracket until ro8 so today : Kas vs Hasuobs , Grubby vs Moman and Elfi vs Goody then Stephano in ro8. Second day = same for the bottom part . Last day : semi + final.
Btw, the "star" on the player in the trailer are for each victory in this cup.
Actually that play was horrible... 5gates + Robo on 1 base ? Really ? I'm sure that Goody left a bit early, cus he didn't scout that the nexus was canceled.
On November 17 2011 04:02 Otolia wrote: I hope the GoOdy fans will finally admit that his success is completely due to his playstyle.
Well, of course it is. If you only play mech, it's natural that your mech is way stronger. He probably has one out of a hundred games that goes into lategame bio play. Plus, you can't micro tanks out of storms.
On November 17 2011 04:02 Otolia wrote: I hope the GoOdy fans will finally admit that his success is completely due to his playstyle.
Well, of course it is. If you only play mech, it's natural that your mech is way stronger. He probably has one out of a hundred games that goes into lategame bio play. Plus, you can't micro tanks out of storms.
What is not natural is that he can still win games abusing a flawed fesign. He is a subpar player in almost every field of comparison and his patience and methods allow him to compete. He is the catenaccio of Starcraft, a despised tactics which is unbearable to watch and yet still win games.
On November 17 2011 04:02 Otolia wrote: I hope the GoOdy fans will finally admit that his success is completely due to his playstyle.
Well, of course it is. If you only play mech, it's natural that your mech is way stronger. He probably has one out of a hundred games that goes into lategame bio play. Plus, you can't micro tanks out of storms.
What is not natural is that he can still win games abusing a flawed fesign. He is a subpar player in almost every field of comparison and his patience and methods allow him to compete. He is the catenaccio of Starcraft, a despised tactics which is unbearable to watch and yet still win games.
So football have "flawed design" too ? (If goody is the catenaccio) Goody is not abusing anything, he just plays what suits him. There is no "right" way to play a game...
Why so much goody hate? i find great that a man with as many apm as me can compete with the greatests and win so much stuff ! This is romantic, an anti-hero wich crush the "pros" by his decision making and knwlege of his strat.
Should have gone back after destroying moman's third, built an expand himself, or teched, and built units to defend such a push, somewhat dissapointed by grubby in that game.
On November 17 2011 04:18 AIOL! wrote: Why so much goody hate? i find great that a man with as many apm as me can compete with the greatests and win so much stuff ! This is romantic, an anti-hero wich crush the "pros" by his decision making and knwlege of his strat.
Agreed, i always have a weekness for Goody, with his multitasking he still is able to keep up with the best. How ever in the near future he will slowly fall off, peolple get more and more multitask intensive, and he just can't keep up. A player like MMA would just run him down, or a HerO with constant drop play.
On November 17 2011 05:06 SkullZ9 wrote: I don't understand why this thread is so empty. This is a tournament with big european players and there are 5K viewers on the khaldor's stream ? :O
On November 17 2011 05:08 5ukkub wrote: Where can i find the bracket? (the one in OP isn't a bracket lol) Just tuned in, what maches have been played and what are left to cast?
On November 17 2011 05:08 5ukkub wrote: Where can i find the bracket? (the one in OP isn't a bracket lol) Just tuned in, what maches have been played and what are left to cast?
Was the hatchery cancel -> spine crawler a fairly unique attack or has it been done lots before? I'm familiar with an evo chamber being used to block the protoss' expansion attempt but this more aggressive take on the idea is new to me.
On November 17 2011 05:14 Bane_ wrote: Was the hatchery cancel -> spine crawler a fairly unique attack or has it been done lots before? I'm familiar with an evo chamber being used to block the protoss' expansion attempt but this more aggressive take on the idea is new to me.
Have only seen evo-chamber before myself aswell, most notablyby Sen vs Naniwa @ PPSL ( sick serie btw, worth watching if you haven't yet ) Khaldor seemed to have seen this particular version before though, either way a very nifty strat indeed.
On November 17 2011 05:14 Bane_ wrote: Was the hatchery cancel -> spine crawler a fairly unique attack or has it been done lots before? I'm familiar with an evo chamber being used to block the protoss' expansion attempt but this more aggressive take on the idea is new to me.
Nestea has done a similar strategy in GSL, researching T2 very fast to drop creep with an overlord in front of the FFE of the protoss, then putting 3 spine crawlers. This is not exactly the same thing, but it certainly comes from this strategy.
On November 17 2011 05:41 HappyChris wrote: Wellplayed by Grubby. Grubby has become so good since his trip to korea.
Yeah, i'm sincerely happy he can contend at top notch level in Sc2 aswell. Would've been sad if he flopped after his transition from Wc3 and how dedicated he has been to become good at Sc2.
I dont understand why people say Stephano gonna get figured out he play so many different unit composition. Here he went muta/bling and played it allmost flawlessly.
On November 17 2011 06:37 HappyChris wrote: I dont understand why people say Stephano gonna get figured out he play so many different unit composition. Here he went muta/bling and played it allmost flawlessly.
He got so many styles how can any1 figure him out
For me one of his weakness is his early-mid scooting. If you watch his stream he loses regulary to cheese/all-in.
Using invested terrans and throwing it in the terran ball and watch Kas's tanks blow up his own marines, just so smart and amazing all that in a split sec.
Actually it looks a lot like one of Stephano's ZvP build. 2 base, two evo chambers, mass upgraded lings/infestors into later third + fourth while going ultras. He did this vs Grubby in Battle in Berlin I think? Very similar at least.
On November 17 2011 06:51 Lysanias wrote: Using invested terrans and throwing it in the terran ball and watch Kas's tanks blow up his own marines, just so smart and amazing all that in a split sec.
On November 17 2011 06:51 Lysanias wrote: Using invested terrans and throwing it in the terran ball and watch Kas's tanks blow up his own marines, just so smart and amazing all that in a split sec.
Stephano to good.
Terran will get Raven eventually :D
Haha eventually ... Scanning is addictive it seems.
On November 17 2011 06:51 Lysanias wrote: Using invested terrans and throwing it in the terran ball and watch Kas's tanks blow up his own marines, just so smart and amazing all that in a split sec.
On November 17 2011 06:51 Lysanias wrote: Using invested terrans and throwing it in the terran ball and watch Kas's tanks blow up his own marines, just so smart and amazing all that in a split sec.
Stephano to good.
Terran will get Raven eventually :D
And zerg will learn to position sneaky infestors better.
The system for replays is already in the Millenium's website but they seem to have problem with it. They usually don't release replays but if you spam them per PM about it maybe they will consider it ...
I gotta say just looking at the brackets I really like how mirror matches are avoided by the seeding. I know I am not the only one who does not prefer mirrors. I understand that most tournaments cannot do that, I guess only possible with an invitational. Fantastic lineup und very good coverage too, I am already looking forward tho the next ones!
i like dimaga's mass-spine-defense, but he morphs all his probes and forget's to remake some to mine minerals - like 4000 gas and 0mins, without new hatches ^^
I liked dimaga's banshee-defense with a LOT of queens, but seriously - zergplayers avoid hydras like hell ^^ should have crushed strelok way earlier though with his uprape advantage, maybe while he was retreating with his army...
On November 18 2011 06:35 Velr wrote: Dimaga is pretty good at nearly losing games he should clearly win as it seems :D
he just loves to entartain you ! :D watching that game on his stream was awesome, when he saw that nuke leaving silo he was like WTF?!
i never laughed so much while watching sc2
Did you understand his comments throughout the game? Dimagas stream and his comments are pure hilarity ;D
there was a translating bot (props to him i saw him many times translating for hours)
but i what i mean the absurdity of situation when you doom drop soomeone to find out he nukes you is really rare close to non-existent not to mention that was in cup ^^
Weird how Thorzain have been in a bit of a slump in live tourneys, but keeps playing like a boss in these offline tournaments beating dimaga and Nerchio like it was nothing
Grubby vs. Stephano... Is it just me, or haven't this happened a few times the last couple of months? I only recall Battle in Berlin and the IPL 4 UK Qualifiers at the top of my head however, so might've just inflated the number of times innately.
wtf why do some p players still use these weird wg pushes? never see it works unless there happens to be a hidden pylon on the third, otherwise it takes waaay too long for the units to get there.
Whoa, i'm impressed how he was able to beat heavy upgraded mech with mainly ling infestor and later ULTRAS! note to myself: infested terrans kill tanks with their own weapons - so mean :D
I like how zergs complain about snipes on brood lords and ignore how effective the infester egg bombs are. ^^ Stephano played really well, using those infestor eggs to keep that tank count low, thorzain also blind built 2 reactor ports even though he scouted anything. Go go Thorzain!
On November 30 2011 04:18 legaton wrote: Hahaha oh wow; what a beast Stephano, he's demolishing Thorzain. What the hell happened at Dreamhack with him losing 0-3?
I don't have an explanation but he definitively didn't play his A game at the DH.
I honestly don't know what stephano was doing. He could've came back into this game if he didn't suicide attack with pure ling into thorzain and just decided to float minerals and gas without making anything else.
Thorzain played his drops quit well, Stephano a little bit desperate to trade armies to come back which he failed. Argh, i also loose an Shattered a lot -:-
On November 30 2011 04:39 Rhedsa wrote: Thorzain played his drops quit well, Stephano a little bit desperate to trade armies to come back which he failed. Argh, i also loose an Shattered a lot -:-
I feel like Shattered is really bad for mid-late game Ling based zergs. You just can't counter attack on that map, the third is safe and the T/P can set up between their main and the gold and protect from runbys while harassing.
On November 30 2011 04:39 Rhedsa wrote: Thorzain played his drops quit well, Stephano a little bit desperate to trade armies to come back which he failed. Argh, i also loose an Shattered a lot -:-
I feel like Shattered is really bad for mid-late game Ling based zergs. You just can't counter attack on that map, the third is safe and the T/P can set up between their main and the gold and protect from runbys while harassing.
Yeah, it's also hard to break down the rocks for a third with lings and the helion contain is a pest too. Then it's hard to not die to a well played marine tank push in the choke. But if you manage to break the contain and get ahead with mutas you can get the swarm ^^
I don't like how stephano spreads his creep from his 2nd and 3rd to his 4th and 5th. It's much more advantageous to have your opponent be forced to travel on creep rather than uhh, transfer drones faster??? There's a good chance Thorzain just won't touch 90% of that creep spread throughout the game and will never need to clear it.
On November 30 2011 04:51 Itsmedudeman wrote: I don't like how stephano spreads his creep from his 2nd and 3rd to his 4th and 5th. It's much more advantageous to have your opponent be forced to travel on creep rather than uhh, transfer drones faster??? There's a good chance Thorzain just won't touch 90% of that creep spread throughout the game and will never need to clear it.
It's much faster to get ground units in to defend a drop with creep connecting.
On November 30 2011 04:59 Poopi wrote: Ghosts are so overrated :/. ThorZain playing SO well but still losing
I don't exactly see how he was playing well when he basically did nothing but macro that game. Can't say they both played terribly well at all considering literally nothing happened until the last engagement, but Stephano was just better the one time it mattered.
SIck good games. Man such nice micro from both players. You really need to attack on multiple places as terran tho, Zerg reinforcerments are just to fast otherwise.
Really GG! I can't remember seeing an zerg-army crush so many ghosts in late game... but yeah, you need InfestorLingBroodUltraOverseer ^^ Wished we had seen some nukes from Thorzain to stop the zerg-crawl.
On November 30 2011 04:59 Poopi wrote: Ghosts are so overrated :/. ThorZain playing SO well but still losing
Well if you compare Happy with mass ghosts to Thorzain ... I dont think Thorzain use them perfectly.
I dont mean that happy > thorzain overall of course, but i think Happy"s Micro is a lot better and seriously when you let him reach a 200/200 ghosts/tanks <3<3<3
impressive, i never thought someone could beat mass ghosts with this composition, given thorzain stopped tank production in shock of seeing broodies and failed abit with the vikings but just wow. Extra eco to gather more stuff, let the terran push and then boom start production and fight back inch by inch. (also forgot about the nukes xD should have used those)
Thorzain had like 70 scv's with about 6-7 OC and 2 Planetaries right? that seems abit to much. Seemed like he had abit to few production facilities, but i dont know.
On November 30 2011 05:16 NeilSC wrote: Is thorzain a fast player? Doesn't really seem like it, and during Dreamhack they opened the APM tab and it was at about 70-80 dipping as low as 30.
He's not particularly fast, but neither is he slow. Stephano however is pretty damn quick.
On November 30 2011 05:18 Lasbike wrote: By the way, was it an online live tournament ? So any player could have (not saying they did) stream sniped ?
Or map hacked, or even had someone else play for them!
On November 30 2011 05:16 NeilSC wrote: Is thorzain a fast player? Doesn't really seem like it, and during Dreamhack they opened the APM tab and it was at about 70-80 dipping as low as 30.
No, but he's not the slowest player. Before the APM change I think it was around 150ish. 70-80 seems pretty damn low even after the change, but it depends what stage of the game it was.
Thorzain loses -> he's slow, his style sucks Stephano wins -> watch out koreans!
Nevermind that Thorzain won a pretty good match against SlayersSleep recently and Stephano got blanked at Dreamhack. Come on guys, we can do better than just apply hyperbolic arguments to every match result there is.
I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.
On November 30 2011 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.
He beat Dimaga yesterday and Nerchio the other day lol...
On November 30 2011 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.
On November 30 2011 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.
Dimaga...yesterday.
Don't take this as blasphemous, but dimaga is highly overrated in TvZ because he won 1 game with a baneling bust against MVP way back. In comparison to some other zergs, especially against muta style, thorzain has a lot more trouble.
On November 30 2011 05:23 Itsmedudeman wrote: I think results speak for themselves when saying Thorzain's style just isn't good in TvZ. He hasn't won a series against a good zerg in like... idk when tbh. It's easily his worst matchup.
Dimaga...yesterday.
Don't take this as blasphemous, but dimaga is highly overrated in TvZ because he won 1 game with a baneling bust against MVP way back. In comparison to some other zergs, especially against muta style, thorzain has a lot more trouble.
you should watch his games vs Nerchio of this same cup. it was flawless from A to Z. He's able to produce amazing games vs Zergs, look at the dreamhack summer vs DRG.
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TB, Appolo...?
