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On November 27 2011 18:57 CanucksJC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2011 17:01 Diamond wrote:On November 27 2011 08:40 CanucksJC wrote:On November 26 2011 18:16 prodiG wrote:
The prize pool remains the same regardless of entrants.
I'm not from Edmonton or anything, but how does this make sense? So if only 16 people joined that's $640 from registration fees. $860 is coming from your own pocket in that case? What if all 64 joined with $45 late fees? That's $2880. Where would the entire $1330 go? That's a pretty big difference in prize pool depending on number of people showing up and I think you should be more transparent about it. Why on earth does it need to be explained? Do we sit there and add up the costs of MLG and demand to know where they are making money? Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize your tournament was as grand as MLG, my apologies. As a local organizer myself, I just thought it was important to show the players exactly how their money was being spent. But really, instead of making adjustments to people complaining, all you have done here is just brute force your decisions. Look at all the 9 pages worth of complaints, and it clearly shows in the number of people that showed up. I raised up a question, because clearly, the entire 64 players did not show up, so did the organizer magically take out some $800 and give out to the players?
When you go to a lan , and pay their price, do you ask how they spend it? or when you buy food at a market? Fact is there is chance to win money, its up to each their own if people want to participate. Theres money to be won, who cares what is happening with the logistics. Hope this cleared things up!
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When you go to a lan , and pay their price, do you ask how they spend it? or when you buy food at a market? Fact is there is chance to win money, its up to each their own if people want to participate. Theres money to be won, who cares what is happening with the logistics. Hope this cleared things up!
I think it's perfectly normal for people to ask about logistics when the entry fee is considerably higher than other events of similar nature. I don't see what could be wrong with transparency when there is an unexplained deviation in entry fee.
Why on earth does it need to be explained? Do we sit there and add up the costs of MLG and demand to know where they are making money?
That's not a very good comparison. Player passes at MLG obviously only cover a fraction of the costs.
Also "the short answer is yes" is kind of like "sort of" which is about as useful as a blank post.
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On November 27 2011 08:40 CanucksJC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 18:16 prodiG wrote:
The prize pool remains the same regardless of entrants.
I'm not from Edmonton or anything, but how does this make sense? So if only 16 people joined that's $640 from registration fees. $860 is coming from your own pocket in that case? What if all 64 joined with $45 late fees? That's $2880. Where would the entire $1330 go? That's a pretty big difference in prize pool depending on number of people showing up and I think you should be more transparent about it.
Anyone who has asked me in person has had very honest and straight-forward response to any question they have asked. Why would I not post it in a online thread of which 95% of the people wouldn't care about (or even consider) that side of the business? question answered.
If you want you know how everything works JC contact me on skype, we have each other.
And lastly, yeah, I lost some money. I'm willing to invest some money to hopefully make it back in the future. As I have said to everyone who cares I am in a position that I can do, and so I do. Why do you get to decide how I spend my money? remind me.
+ Show Spoiler +I wont deny that there are things that I need to learn from to take to future events but I assure you I will learn and next time we will have a better product in a more feasible model.
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On November 28 2011 03:10 SiguR wrote:Show nested quote +
When you go to a lan , and pay their price, do you ask how they spend it? or when you buy food at a market? Fact is there is chance to win money, its up to each their own if people want to participate. Theres money to be won, who cares what is happening with the logistics. Hope this cleared things up!
I think it's perfectly normal for people to ask about logistics when the entry fee is considerably higher than other events of similar nature. I don't see what could be wrong with transparency when there is an unexplained deviation in entry fee.
When you say similar nature you mean tournament right? because any tournament in Western Canada that has broken 1k in cash has had a 40$ buy-in.
I don't want to come across aggressive but this kind of talk is counter-productive, I'll make myself clear; you talk to me in person and I will tell you everything I feel I should, you take it to a forum and I will ignore it.
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Turnout was pretty good yesterday! Top 16 start duking it out soon! As far as I am aware I believe they are streaming it at Rouge Lounge just off Jasper! If you guys want some cheap brews, and want to watch some SC from Edmonton, and surroundings finest head on down!
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stream lag anyone else feel on higher qualities?
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I think what Gofarman is trying to accomplish should be commended. If there we're 12 people that showed up or 64, he was still willing to risk his own $1500 for a SET pot (not a starting pot). It can be expected that their first event wont be a blow out, but it's the first event, give this guy some credit. I'm sure he has learned allot of shit over the past few days that will only ensure that the next event (if there is one) will be a bigger success.
I think Edmonton should also be proud of this event going down. There has never been a payout this big for a starcraft 2 tournament. Gofarman has made history with this. By putting up $1500, he has set the stage for what looks like a good series of events to come.
hats off to you sir.
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any live brackets? geez cmon !
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NrG.Dime wins! Congrats yo~
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grats Dime, what are the overall standings, the challonge brackets are not updated yet
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great event everyone! i had a ton of fun and learned alot 
im hoping i can find vods of my games being casted
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On November 28 2011 04:53 Shiro420 wrote:
I think what Gofarman is trying to accomplish should be commended. If there we're 12 people that showed up or 64, he was still willing to risk his own $1500 for a SET pot (not a starting pot). It can be expected that their first event wont be a blow out, but it's the first event, give this guy some credit. I'm sure he has learned allot of shit over the past few days that will only ensure that the next event (if there is one) will be a bigger success.
I think Edmonton should also be proud of this event going down. There has never been a payout this big for a starcraft 2 tournament. Gofarman has made history with this. By putting up $1500, he has set the stage for what looks like a good series of events to come.
hats off to you sir.
I could not agree more. Well fucking said sir. GG'z all today, I'm working on VODs right now
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On November 28 2011 13:01 ScareCrow` wrote:Only 20 players?
That's what I thought.
lols, all good though.
On November 28 2011 14:15 prodiG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 04:53 Shiro420 wrote:
I think what Gofarman is trying to accomplish should be commended. If there we're 12 people that showed up or 64, he was still willing to risk his own $1500 for a SET pot (not a starting pot). It can be expected that their first event wont be a blow out, but it's the first event, give this guy some credit. I'm sure he has learned allot of shit over the past few days that will only ensure that the next event (if there is one) will be a bigger success.
I think Edmonton should also be proud of this event going down. There has never been a payout this big for a starcraft 2 tournament. Gofarman has made history with this. By putting up $1500, he has set the stage for what looks like a good series of events to come.
hats off to you sir. I could not agree more. Well fucking said sir. GG'z all today, I'm working on VODs right now
YEAH, Vod's FTW. gotta rewatch that 7 pool in the semi's
BEST
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Great tourney. I love you guys <3
Also, it's really cool that there were so many people following the tournament. I'd say that top8 bracket was probably one of the scariest brackets you could have possibly assembled out of all of western Canada. I didn't quite get as far as I wanted to going in, but after looking at the players who attended, I feel privileged to have my name up there.
Casting was a lot of fun too, even though i'm pretty sure i made myself look like a fucking idiot.
This tournament is a good sign for the future. ^^
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On November 28 2011 14:42 ander wrote:
Great tourney. I love you guys <3
Also, it's really cool that there were so many people following the tournament. I'd say that top8 bracket was probably one of the scariest brackets you could have possibly assembled out of all of western Canada. I didn't quite get as far as I wanted to going in, but after looking at the players who attended, I feel privileged to have my name up there.
Casting was a lot of fun too, even though i'm pretty sure i made myself look like a fucking idiot.
This tournament is a good sign for the future. ^^
woah woah. you must be clueless about the caliber of players in western canada... maybe the scariest top 8 for edmonton, but west canada? you for real?
Anyways this tournament could've been so much more if the organizers listened to the people. Things like better map pool, lower entry fee and bam you would have atleast 32 players sign up, not 20. It's really funny how the organizers claimed that spots were filling up fast. Instead of lying, they should have re-thought their approach and adjust before its too late. The amount of players who showed up is quite pathetic considering all the hype this was getting with the prize pool and all. I think the organizers have to really question their decisions since they will be paying from their own pockets this time when they could have had a successful tournament by not opposing other peoples suggestions and opinions on the tournament. I don't know what kind of business model the organizers are following but clearly losing lots of money is considered a failed system. And to say they only discuss matters in person and not in a forum? Seriously? Countless of tournament organizers and companies such as TwitchTV have created accounts on TL to get feedback from the community. The people that GIVE them money. People don't have time to drive and have a cup of coffee to ask questions about a tournament. You should NOT ignore posts on this thread.
Lastly, the commentators. Errm, sorry "a" commentator. prodiG was all dandy, but his co-pilot was really painful and a few of my colleagues agreed. Needs to work on some professionalism when things hit the fan like the match with the wrong tal darim alter map. Going all "he is mad, raging blah blah" reminded me of a 15 year old going umadbro? rage? cool story? I don't remember it exactly but IT WAS painful.
Would like to see Edmonton and Alberta E-Sports take off but this was a painful step in the RIGHT, yes right direction. Because well it was a BIG prize tourney. But it was very very painful. Stream was well put together kudos on that. And as always OKG seemed to be a great host! GG
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On November 28 2011 15:15 polski wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 14:42 ander wrote:
Great tourney. I love you guys <3
Also, it's really cool that there were so many people following the tournament. I'd say that top8 bracket was probably one of the scariest brackets you could have possibly assembled out of all of western Canada. I didn't quite get as far as I wanted to going in, but after looking at the players who attended, I feel privileged to have my name up there.
Casting was a lot of fun too, even though i'm pretty sure i made myself look like a fucking idiot.
This tournament is a good sign for the future. ^^ woah woah. you must be clueless about the caliber of players in western canada... maybe the scariest top 8 for edmonton, but west canada? you for real?
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On November 28 2011 14:35 Gofarman wrote:That's what I thought. lols, all good though. Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 14:15 prodiG wrote:On November 28 2011 04:53 Shiro420 wrote:
I think what Gofarman is trying to accomplish should be commended. If there we're 12 people that showed up or 64, he was still willing to risk his own $1500 for a SET pot (not a starting pot). It can be expected that their first event wont be a blow out, but it's the first event, give this guy some credit. I'm sure he has learned allot of shit over the past few days that will only ensure that the next event (if there is one) will be a bigger success.
I think Edmonton should also be proud of this event going down. There has never been a payout this big for a starcraft 2 tournament. Gofarman has made history with this. By putting up $1500, he has set the stage for what looks like a good series of events to come.
hats off to you sir. I could not agree more. Well fucking said sir. GG'z all today, I'm working on VODs right now YEAH, Vod's FTW. gotta rewatch that 7 pool in the semi's BEST MICRO EVA
That's really disappointing. I know at least 4-5 Calgarians who would've come personally including myself if it had been structured a little differently. It seems like it was a great tournament for anyone residing in Edmonton, but outside of that really not cost effective.
The prize pool itself is amazing, but taking into account how the tournament was run and how the pot was split really discouraged us. Entry fee and travel costs alone made first and second place the only profitable standings, and when we factored in that we'd have to stay a night it was thrown out the window. I don't think anyone is looking forward to play to win back their entry fee and anything below RO8, (or even RO4, realistically) shouldn't be rewarded, but instead offer a larger reward to the top dogs.
Expecting 64 people is reasonable, but I don't understand the need for 2 days from this. Playhem ran a 512 seed tournament today that lasted 3 hours. Having to stay an extra day really racks up the costs for anyone outside of town. 64 players is ultimately 6 rounds of games, which at most will take between 6-8 hours, if games are going their full lengths and playing full sets. Anyone who is serious about competing has no problem with this, I think.
There's been a few mentions about the map pool in this thread already so I won't bring much more of it to light...but it seems like this is also a thing more constrictive to the Edmonton scene, in that anyone who doesn't strictly follow these line of tournaments would actually be at a disadvantage in having to learn half the map pool which is counter-productive to what the general argument for them was. If the goal was to select maps where skill was the pure determinant I think it would be more prudent to choose maps everyone was familiar with, rather than based off win percentages by race, which as it stands most maps in the pool are currently within a 55% W/L ratio for either side anyways.
All in all if the tournament was designed to promote Edmonton starcraft then kudos, seems like it was a blast. If the goal was to promote starcraft in the greater population of Alberta, or even greater portions of Canada, then there could've been some tweaks to appeal to a greater spectrum in my opinion.
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