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On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead.
What the hell are you talking about?
Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining...
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Mech is horrible in TvZ because it is so easy for Zerg to punish the immobility, and Thors are absolutely horrible GtA. The problem also is that MVP had horrible upgrades. You really need to turtle and get 2-2 / 3-3 fast. Maybe some kind of 2-2 timing to deny the Zerg his third? Whatever you do, you can't play how MVP did that game.
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I'm pretty sure mech is viable. MVP just made some mistakes during his harassment that snowballed. If the best terran in the world beat the best zerg in the world with mech, I consider that viable.
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oh how i missed boesthius's stream.. haven't been watching it since bw proleagues went away. all dat Kpop during match intervals = WIN
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On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining...
Of course he was up on mining, he's zerg, but he was even at one point and even supply which is incredibly bad when you're on roach supply.
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On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining...
He threw his whole army into MVP's natural and evened up the supplies. MVP then made a huge mistake by pushing and getting crushed by mutas after they magic boxed his thors.
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On November 06 2011 13:30 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:28 dmnum wrote:On November 06 2011 13:27 scarper65 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:26 Zanno wrote:
holy crap
dat nydus
who is this kid and how is he owning mvp so bad? Doesn't really look like ownage to me. He needs to be careful, overextending himself a little bit Apart from one or two overextensions, he's picking mvp apart beautifully. Really impressing me. Picking apart kinda implies that annyeong did something else other than a big muta switch that won him the game(+11 mutas after the first 10) whilst he didn't.
And If mvp won all he would've done was make a bunch thors repair them and siege tanks in range of bases. Seriously, the multipronged attacks, the hellion defense(considering mvp thew like 25 hellions at him and he only lost about 45 drones), he played beautifully this game. Stop whining.
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Annyeong actually countered MVP's mech style perfectly. Took quite a lot of damage from the blue flame hellions, but apart from that was very solid.
He hit a roach timing before MVP built up enough of a tank count, mass mutas to take advantage of the relatively weak anti-air capabilities and nydus'ed the main to exploit mech's immobility.
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On November 06 2011 13:31 gulati wrote:
That was a very good game. That was one of the first times I saw aerial and land map control at the same exact time from a Z. Critical massing mutas and nydusing causes a meching terran to fall apart 100%. Absolutely amazing play by Annyeong. Hope G2 is just as good. 9/10 G1
Agreed, great game.
One thing I didn't liked is that despite having a lot of ressources, I never seen any upgrade in Anny production bar. Well, perhaps against mech it's not useful, dunno. But at least air attack and ling upgrades would be useful imo.
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come on we need MVP at the WCG 
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On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining...
yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl...
wait.
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This loss didn't have all that much to do with Mech, MVP just got caught being ridiculously greedy. He got his fourth before Annyeong did, threw away loads of units for drone kills and was only just upping his factory count when Annyeong attacked for the first time. If that attack had come 3 minutes later, MVP would've been absolutely fine and in a great position.
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On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. Actually that's just how mech works in TvZ. The zerg can be lightyears ahead and then the terran pushes with 150food of mech + scv's and just steamrolls; muta is pretty much the safest counter. If anything, that game showed how freaking stupid thor/tank can be against zerg ground before hivetech. If MVP had straight up all-in'd in that push (and actually had +1 armor; I think he forgot it?) the game could have swung his way. Poor decisions cost him the game, had nothing to do with how good/bad mech is.
What? Lmao, thors only purpose is to counter mutas in tvz, and there awful at doing that because of magic box. Scv support would just lose you scvs because of the splash....
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On November 06 2011 13:34 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... He threw his whole army into MVP's natural and evened up the supplies. MVP then made a huge mistake by pushing and getting crushed by mutas after they magic boxed his thors.
Actually he attacked MVP's third with roaches while destroying his production with Mutas at the same time.
It didn't matter if he lost all his roaches because his economy was unstoppable.
Having a ton of supply in roaches late game when you have a lot of bases doesn't mean much...
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On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait.
...MVP didn't beat Nestea in multiple games with mech. Neither did Gumiho in WCG.
Go away please, the mech nerfs didn't affect ZvT at all.
On November 06 2011 13:36 Raambo11 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. Actually that's just how mech works in TvZ. The zerg can be lightyears ahead and then the terran pushes with 150food of mech + scv's and just steamrolls; muta is pretty much the safest counter. If anything, that game showed how freaking stupid thor/tank can be against zerg ground before hivetech. If MVP had straight up all-in'd in that push (and actually had +1 armor; I think he forgot it?) the game could have swung his way. Poor decisions cost him the game, had nothing to do with how good/bad mech is. What? Lmao, thors only purpose is to counter mutas in tvz, and there awful at doing that because of magic box. Scv support would just lose you scvs because of the splash....
Are you serious? Go check how many mutas 4 thors can kill with armor +1 and scv's repairing. You'll be amazed. Magic box makes them slow to kill mutas but that doesn't matter if the thors never die.
Expecting 4 thors (1200/900) to kill 2300/2300 in mutas is ridiculous. Stop asking for stupid hard counters (outside of spells) in starcraft.
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On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid.
I'm not arguing that they should've won, I'm arguing that mech isn't a viable option for an infinity of reasons and that people stop crying about the warhounds, thors are the only anti-air available for mech but they take a long time to build and if you go thors the entire game the zerg can just win with pure roaches because you won't have enough tanks, and a muta switch is often deadly and very easy to do if the terran doesn't have the exact amount of thors at all times and if you don't have a critical mass of thors they die without killing a single muta.Also, your analogy made absolutely no sense, don't be stupid.
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I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas.
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fingers crossed and praying he goes biomech and dominates
praying
T_T
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On November 06 2011 13:34 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 ftd.rain wrote:On November 06 2011 13:28 dmnum wrote:On November 06 2011 13:27 scarper65 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:26 Zanno wrote:
holy crap
dat nydus
who is this kid and how is he owning mvp so bad? Doesn't really look like ownage to me. He needs to be careful, overextending himself a little bit Apart from one or two overextensions, he's picking mvp apart beautifully. Really impressing me. Picking apart kinda implies that annyeong did something else other than a big muta switch that won him the game(+11 mutas after the first 10) whilst he didn't. And If mvp won all he would've done was make a bunch thors repair them and siege tanks in range of bases. Seriously, the multipronged attacks, the hellion defense(considering mvp thew like 25 hellions at him and he only lost about 45 drones), he played beautifully this game. Stop whining.
didn't do anything eh
aside from all the hellion deflection (only one attack out of all of them was successful) he:
- completely dismantled mvp's third base
- crushed entrenched tank positions with roach flanks alone
- completely smacked down the banshee tech switch to the point where mvp gave up on the idea completely
- nydused his main and killed half his buildings
- made a grand total of one micro mistake with his mutas the entire game (and only lost 5, instead of the whole flock)
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baneling bust incoming...
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