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Trust me, AnnYeong is going to pull off a ridiculous upset. 30% ZvT, no problem.
SuperNoVa vs sC has the potential to be a very good match. They've both been playing well recently, especially SuperNoVa.
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Supernova vs sC gona be epic, MVP to go into magickarp mode against peon zerg.
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On November 06 2011 12:40 danzhang wrote:how hard will mvp rape this unknown zerg?
he did OK in gstl + Show Spoiler +2killing Startale in the playoffs before falling to Bomber
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mvp and sc please!
supernova is doing quite well lately but im not really a fan of him (maybe just cus i don't watch hhim lol)
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As long as MVP doesn't lose to dumb stuff (baneling bust, roach bust), he should be absolutely fine. That is unless his wrists actually fall off and he has to play with his feet. Then it'll be kind of close.
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On November 06 2011 12:49 Telcontar wrote:
As long as MVP doesn't lose to dumb stuff (baneling bust, roach bust), he should be absolutely fine. That is unless his wrists actually fall off and he has to play with his feet. Then it'll be kind of close.
just joke with anything else other than a person's health.
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On November 06 2011 12:56 cold- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:49 Telcontar wrote:
As long as MVP doesn't lose to dumb stuff (baneling bust, roach bust), he should be absolutely fine. That is unless his wrists actually fall off and he has to play with his feet. Then it'll be kind of close. just joke with anything else other than a person's health.
We brits don't hold back. It's just not in our nature ^^;;
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On November 06 2011 12:57 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:56 cold- wrote:On November 06 2011 12:49 Telcontar wrote:
As long as MVP doesn't lose to dumb stuff (baneling bust, roach bust), he should be absolutely fine. That is unless his wrists actually fall off and he has to play with his feet. Then it'll be kind of close. just joke with anything else other than a person's health. We brits don't hold back. It's just not in our nature ^^;;
i just feel sorry for the guy. imagine if every time you play your wrists hurt. and he plays a lot.
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MVP's win rate on these maps are no joke lol
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im pumpeddddddddd, feel like its been forever since i've seen mvp play :D
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On November 06 2011 13:00 cold- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:57 Telcontar wrote:On November 06 2011 12:56 cold- wrote:On November 06 2011 12:49 Telcontar wrote:
As long as MVP doesn't lose to dumb stuff (baneling bust, roach bust), he should be absolutely fine. That is unless his wrists actually fall off and he has to play with his feet. Then it'll be kind of close. just joke with anything else other than a person's health. We brits don't hold back. It's just not in our nature ^^;; i just feel sorry for the guy. imagine if every time you play your wrists hurt. and he plays a lot.
I know what you mean. Just seeing him stretch his wrists after a game breaks my heart. I guess joking about it is my way of dealing with it.
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Poor Annyeong. Going up against MVP is going to be tough for him. A pretty big David vs Goliath match.
I'm hoping for MVP and sC to advance so that we can see MVP's mech go up against sC's bio.
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Annyeong has to go pee pee.
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Watch Annyeong just ball it up and pull a win. I hope not! 0.0 MVP fighting!!!
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baneling bust 3x in a row np
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MVP doing what he did against NesTea in the Blizzcon final. 2 fact blue flame harass with drops. Very hard to deal with.
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Korean commentaries just sound so much better / appropriate. even tho i have no idea what they're talking about
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MVP killed a decent amount of drones, but zerg has 3 bases up. Things still pretty even.
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On November 06 2011 13:14 Telcontar wrote:
MVP killed a decent amount of drones, but zerg has 3 bases up. Things still pretty even.
Not over by any means, he can redrone that 30 in a couple minutes.
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That was uncharacteristically aggressive with the helions from Mvp
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Man, MvP is just like fuck it, they're basically free, send in the hellions!
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Oh dear god that poor Zerg.
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On November 06 2011 13:15 scarper65 wrote:
That was uncharacteristically aggressive with the helions from Mvp
MVP always does this when he goes mech
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45 drones killed. My God.
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On November 06 2011 13:15 scarper65 wrote:
That was uncharacteristically aggressive with the helions from Mvp
It's actually MVP's trademark mech play vs zerg. BFH harass zerg and follow with strong timing push.
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Kudos to Annyeong for trying his best against the monster MVP. Man his hellions are FUCKING DEADLY.
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Incoming mutas could do a ton of damage
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Actually I think annyeong is in a pretty good spot. He just needs to keep mvp from getting a huge thor count.
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I actually hate banshees with mech vs zerg. It doesn't really add to anything that tanks/thors can do, and takes a lot of resources & food away from the ground army. Better to invest in ravens & pdd.
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On November 06 2011 13:17 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:15 scarper65 wrote:
That was uncharacteristically aggressive with the helions from Mvp It's actually MVP's trademark mech play vs zerg. BFH harass zerg and follow with strong timing push.
Yes but he doesn't usually run in with all his helions. He uses them to contain and sends groups of them
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Wow, MVP caught with anti air......could lose him the game.
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Nice timing on Guile's theme on boesthius's stream.
Annyeong pulling a possible comeback? Did a lot of damage to MVP's army with the Roaches, and the Mutas are being annoying.
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wow Annyeong is doing great
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what the fuck is going on
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what the hell is MVP doing
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LOL is MvP seriously losing? Another blow to my world.
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MVP overharassed =/ delayed high tank production
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MVP being destroyed by a relative unknown..
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On November 06 2011 13:18 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:17 Telcontar wrote:On November 06 2011 13:15 scarper65 wrote:
That was uncharacteristically aggressive with the helions from Mvp It's actually MVP's trademark mech play vs zerg. BFH harass zerg and follow with strong timing push. Yes but he doesn't usually run in with all his helions. He uses them to contain and sends groups of them
That's when he opens reactor hellions and transitions in to marine/tank. When he goes mech, he is usually very aggressive with them. That's because he knows he has to do a lot of damage for mech to work.
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Annyeong playing like a champ, overextending a bit, but definitely playing a really good style vs MVPs mech. Cool game so far.
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If he comes back from this...
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Wow and just like that mvp is back in this...I thought it was over
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Annoyeong executing the how to lose against Terran build.
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oooo, really bad attack. He should have waited for his hive tech to pump out!
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okay annyeong throws it away
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Well that was a slaughter.
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MAGICARP MODE ACTIVATED! :D
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On November 06 2011 13:22 danzhang wrote:
MAGICARP MODE ACTIVATED! :D
Oh yea!
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...And now hes dead again
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MVP can't win this, mutas too good
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Thors are too shitty against magic box mutas.
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why the hell did he attack? Overconfident?
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And then MvP gives the game right back, wtf
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i just remembered how much i hate mutas and magic boxing
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now MVP is throwing his stuff away. what are they doing?
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Huge mistake by MVP, donates his entire mech army.
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This is the problem with mech ZvT. Lose your Thors and you are boned.
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yeah Mech ZVT will never really be viable as long as magic box is there. MVP please go rine tank and crush.
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Where are the valkyries :D
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The roach muta style is excellent vs. mech, not enough people use it. The thor-tank balance is so hard to achieve, and the harassment defense is so hard to do. Annyeong really knows what hes doing against this style.
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On November 06 2011 13:24 GGPope wrote:
The roach muta style is excellent vs. mech, not enough people use it. The thor-tank balance is so hard to achieve, and the harassment defense is so hard to do. Annyeong really knows what hes doing against this style.
All you need to do is make enough mutas to kill the thors and use whatever remaining resources you have on roaches
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Totally thought MVP was out of this game...
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why do zergs not put roaches into the nydus first so they come out first?
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That zoom on nydus gave me chills hehe...
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And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz.
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holy crap
dat nydus
who is this kid and how is he owning mvp so bad?
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dont worry guys mvp has this...
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That attack needed more prongs.
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Ugh, MvP needs to stop doing this mech crap and go back to his solid marine-tank aggression.
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On November 06 2011 13:26 Zanno wrote:
holy crap
dat nydus
who is this kid and how is he owning mvp so bad?
Doesn't really look like ownage to me. He needs to be careful, overextending himself a little bit
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Why no harass to the 3rd of MVP, zero defense.
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On November 06 2011 13:27 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:26 Zanno wrote:
holy crap
dat nydus
who is this kid and how is he owning mvp so bad? Doesn't really look like ownage to me. He needs to be careful, overextending himself a little bit
Apart from one or two overextensions, he's picking mvp apart beautifully. Really impressing me.
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broolord inc and Mvp doesnt have an economy to support vikings
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I really hope MVP isn't too stubborn and goes mech again next game.
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MVP made a big big mistake by pushing out and lose his entire army.
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omfg, Annyeong is amazing
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On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz.
yep, and a ton of ppl would still argue against you and believe mech is actually awesome in TvZ. Remember the zerg whining about NP nerf would bring mech terran domination?
yeah about that
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That was pure awesomeness. 
Poll: Recommend MVP vs Annyeong (Game 1)?Yes (34) 85% No (3) 8% If you have time (3) 8% 40 total votes Your vote: Recommend MVP vs Annyeong (Game 1)? (Vote): Yes
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Just go marine/tank MVP. Annyeong seems like he knows how to play vs mech.
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Annyeong really prepared for this match, he countered MvP brilliantly.
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I never knew it was possible to lose 60 drones and still win a game! MVP got this though!
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incoming marine tank into 2-1
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On November 06 2011 13:27 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:26 Zanno wrote:
holy crap
dat nydus
who is this kid and how is he owning mvp so bad? Doesn't really look like ownage to me. He needs to be careful, overextending himself a little bit
you needed to take a look at the supply count
mvp was sub 100 and lost so much of his base he was deep in the red for a long time
game was long over before the greater spire started morphing
i want to see mvp win honestly, because for a lot of the korean audience, this is their first exposure to sc2, so having a former OSL contender place well should provide some legitimacy to the game for them
but on the other hand, damn, that zerg was either really good or had the luckiest game of his life
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On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing
more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead.
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he looks like 15 but liquidpedia shows he is 25!!! never even heard of this guy before too
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On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz.
Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid.
On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead.
Actually that's just how mech works in TvZ. The zerg can be lightyears ahead and then the terran pushes with 150food of mech + scv's and just steamrolls; muta is pretty much the safest counter. If anything, that game showed how freaking stupid thor/tank can be against zerg ground before hivetech.
If MVP had straight up all-in'd in that push (and actually had +1 armor; I think he forgot it?) the game could have swung his way. Poor decisions cost him the game, had nothing to do with how good/bad mech is.
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Mech is viable in TvZ, MVP just made some pretty big miscalculations and unit composition errors.
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you can only win with mech with one death push. if you dont win with that attack you lose the game.
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annyeong is very very good, but why is MVP doing a weird mech style? it seems like every time he has a game vs anyone he always does some weird style in at least one of the games which he usually loses.
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On November 06 2011 13:28 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:27 scarper65 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:26 Zanno wrote:
holy crap
dat nydus
who is this kid and how is he owning mvp so bad? Doesn't really look like ownage to me. He needs to be careful, overextending himself a little bit Apart from one or two overextensions, he's picking mvp apart beautifully. Really impressing me.
Picking apart kinda implies that annyeong did something else other than a big muta switch that won him the game(+11 mutas after the first 10) whilst he didn't.
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I have no idea why MVP went mech
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Amazing back and forth roach/muta switches and attacks. They both made bad trades but well played by annyeong to keep the pressure up.
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hope mvp goes biomech and shits on annyeong so hard that his grandchildren bleed
needs 2 stop this mech tvz, makes me cry when it doesn't work cuz of how shit thors are vs mutas ):
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That was a very good game. That was one of the first times I saw aerial and land map control at the same exact time from a Z. Critical massing mutas and nydusing causes a meching terran to fall apart 100%. Absolutely amazing play by Annyeong. Hope G2 is just as good. 9/10 G1
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On November 06 2011 13:28 crawlingchaos wrote:
Err.. why banes?
I asked myself the same question earlier. until annyeong blew up all the repairing SCVS around the siege tanks/thors
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On November 06 2011 13:29 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. yep, and a ton of ppl would still argue against you and believe mech is actually awesome in TvZ. Remember the zerg whining about NP nerf would bring mech terran domination? yeah about that
That's because mech is good against bad zergs who just let the terran turtle up to 4 bases uncontested and attack into siege lines.
MVP might actually lose this. Metal and TDA are good zerg maps.
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It always looks like Annyeong was overextending a lots of times, yet he managed to macro it up and keep mvp in his base. Awesome comeback
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lol that was a funny game from MVP
get in a comfortable position -> proceed to lose whole army -> claw your way back -> lose whole army again
I would still give him a slight edge to win the whole series, but Meta and Tal Darim isn't going to be a walk in the park.
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I cant get all these Arrested Development-references out of my head!
"There is always money in the Baneling-stand!"
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Annyeong HOW?!?!?
MVP looked quite dominant after his initial Hellion harass, but Annyeong managed to pick apart MVP's mech style quite well.
And I love this song.
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On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead.
What the hell are you talking about?
Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining...
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Mech is horrible in TvZ because it is so easy for Zerg to punish the immobility, and Thors are absolutely horrible GtA. The problem also is that MVP had horrible upgrades. You really need to turtle and get 2-2 / 3-3 fast. Maybe some kind of 2-2 timing to deny the Zerg his third? Whatever you do, you can't play how MVP did that game.
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I'm pretty sure mech is viable. MVP just made some mistakes during his harassment that snowballed. If the best terran in the world beat the best zerg in the world with mech, I consider that viable.
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oh how i missed boesthius's stream.. haven't been watching it since bw proleagues went away. all dat Kpop during match intervals = WIN
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On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining...
Of course he was up on mining, he's zerg, but he was even at one point and even supply which is incredibly bad when you're on roach supply.
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On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining...
He threw his whole army into MVP's natural and evened up the supplies. MVP then made a huge mistake by pushing and getting crushed by mutas after they magic boxed his thors.
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On November 06 2011 13:30 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:28 dmnum wrote:On November 06 2011 13:27 scarper65 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:26 Zanno wrote:
holy crap
dat nydus
who is this kid and how is he owning mvp so bad? Doesn't really look like ownage to me. He needs to be careful, overextending himself a little bit Apart from one or two overextensions, he's picking mvp apart beautifully. Really impressing me. Picking apart kinda implies that annyeong did something else other than a big muta switch that won him the game(+11 mutas after the first 10) whilst he didn't.
And If mvp won all he would've done was make a bunch thors repair them and siege tanks in range of bases. Seriously, the multipronged attacks, the hellion defense(considering mvp thew like 25 hellions at him and he only lost about 45 drones), he played beautifully this game. Stop whining.
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Annyeong actually countered MVP's mech style perfectly. Took quite a lot of damage from the blue flame hellions, but apart from that was very solid.
He hit a roach timing before MVP built up enough of a tank count, mass mutas to take advantage of the relatively weak anti-air capabilities and nydus'ed the main to exploit mech's immobility.
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On November 06 2011 13:31 gulati wrote:
That was a very good game. That was one of the first times I saw aerial and land map control at the same exact time from a Z. Critical massing mutas and nydusing causes a meching terran to fall apart 100%. Absolutely amazing play by Annyeong. Hope G2 is just as good. 9/10 G1
Agreed, great game.
One thing I didn't liked is that despite having a lot of ressources, I never seen any upgrade in Anny production bar. Well, perhaps against mech it's not useful, dunno. But at least air attack and ling upgrades would be useful imo.
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On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining...
yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl...
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This loss didn't have all that much to do with Mech, MVP just got caught being ridiculously greedy. He got his fourth before Annyeong did, threw away loads of units for drone kills and was only just upping his factory count when Annyeong attacked for the first time. If that attack had come 3 minutes later, MVP would've been absolutely fine and in a great position.
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On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. Actually that's just how mech works in TvZ. The zerg can be lightyears ahead and then the terran pushes with 150food of mech + scv's and just steamrolls; muta is pretty much the safest counter. If anything, that game showed how freaking stupid thor/tank can be against zerg ground before hivetech. If MVP had straight up all-in'd in that push (and actually had +1 armor; I think he forgot it?) the game could have swung his way. Poor decisions cost him the game, had nothing to do with how good/bad mech is.
What? Lmao, thors only purpose is to counter mutas in tvz, and there awful at doing that because of magic box. Scv support would just lose you scvs because of the splash....
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On November 06 2011 13:34 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... He threw his whole army into MVP's natural and evened up the supplies. MVP then made a huge mistake by pushing and getting crushed by mutas after they magic boxed his thors.
Actually he attacked MVP's third with roaches while destroying his production with Mutas at the same time.
It didn't matter if he lost all his roaches because his economy was unstoppable.
Having a ton of supply in roaches late game when you have a lot of bases doesn't mean much...
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On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait.
...MVP didn't beat Nestea in multiple games with mech. Neither did Gumiho in WCG.
Go away please, the mech nerfs didn't affect ZvT at all.
On November 06 2011 13:36 Raambo11 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. Actually that's just how mech works in TvZ. The zerg can be lightyears ahead and then the terran pushes with 150food of mech + scv's and just steamrolls; muta is pretty much the safest counter. If anything, that game showed how freaking stupid thor/tank can be against zerg ground before hivetech. If MVP had straight up all-in'd in that push (and actually had +1 armor; I think he forgot it?) the game could have swung his way. Poor decisions cost him the game, had nothing to do with how good/bad mech is. What? Lmao, thors only purpose is to counter mutas in tvz, and there awful at doing that because of magic box. Scv support would just lose you scvs because of the splash....
Are you serious? Go check how many mutas 4 thors can kill with armor +1 and scv's repairing. You'll be amazed. Magic box makes them slow to kill mutas but that doesn't matter if the thors never die.
Expecting 4 thors (1200/900) to kill 2300/2300 in mutas is ridiculous. Stop asking for stupid hard counters (outside of spells) in starcraft.
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On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid.
I'm not arguing that they should've won, I'm arguing that mech isn't a viable option for an infinity of reasons and that people stop crying about the warhounds, thors are the only anti-air available for mech but they take a long time to build and if you go thors the entire game the zerg can just win with pure roaches because you won't have enough tanks, and a muta switch is often deadly and very easy to do if the terran doesn't have the exact amount of thors at all times and if you don't have a critical mass of thors they die without killing a single muta.Also, your analogy made absolutely no sense, don't be stupid.
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I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas.
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fingers crossed and praying he goes biomech and dominates
praying
T_T
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On November 06 2011 13:34 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 ftd.rain wrote:On November 06 2011 13:28 dmnum wrote:On November 06 2011 13:27 scarper65 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:26 Zanno wrote:
holy crap
dat nydus
who is this kid and how is he owning mvp so bad? Doesn't really look like ownage to me. He needs to be careful, overextending himself a little bit Apart from one or two overextensions, he's picking mvp apart beautifully. Really impressing me. Picking apart kinda implies that annyeong did something else other than a big muta switch that won him the game(+11 mutas after the first 10) whilst he didn't. And If mvp won all he would've done was make a bunch thors repair them and siege tanks in range of bases. Seriously, the multipronged attacks, the hellion defense(considering mvp thew like 25 hellions at him and he only lost about 45 drones), he played beautifully this game. Stop whining.
didn't do anything eh
aside from all the hellion deflection (only one attack out of all of them was successful) he:
- completely dismantled mvp's third base
- crushed entrenched tank positions with roach flanks alone
- completely smacked down the banshee tech switch to the point where mvp gave up on the idea completely
- nydused his main and killed half his buildings
- made a grand total of one micro mistake with his mutas the entire game (and only lost 5, instead of the whole flock)
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baneling bust incoming...
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Annyoung going for a baneling bust and trying to take this series right now.
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I hope mvp doesnt lose now
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thank GOD for fail baneling bust
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On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas.
You cannot use Ravens because they are so gas heavy and you have a problem making tanks, thors, and upgrades all ready (plus factories cost gas). Honestly, I think if Terrans are going to go mech they need to build turrets with their push (lots). Perhaps skimp on the hellions a bit and use the minerals to turtle with lots of turrets?
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On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. qxc tried this once in teamleague combined with PF and turrets at a gold base and he looked pretty impenetrable
i still think that pdd is the solution to DRG infinity muta style compositions but it's yet to catch on :\
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On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait.
Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career.
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Baneling bust attempt on TDA lol, so obvious sometimes
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get to watch MVP now and bomber later, what a treat for a terran player like myself
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On November 06 2011 13:41 Zanno wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. qxc tried this once in teamleague combined with PF and turrets at a gold base and he looked pretty impenetrable i still think that pdd is the solution to DRG infinity muta style compositions but it's yet to catch on :\
How is a raven going to keep up with a muta ball...?
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MVP can't lose from this position.
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All right rine tank now that's the way MVP.
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On November 06 2011 13:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:41 Zanno wrote:On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. qxc tried this once in teamleague combined with PF and turrets at a gold base and he looked pretty impenetrable i still think that pdd is the solution to DRG infinity muta style compositions but it's yet to catch on :\ How is a raven going to keep up with a muta ball...?
it doesn't, but it prevents mutas from engaging turrets cost effectively, which let him expand more aggressively
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On November 06 2011 13:37 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. I'm not arguing that they should've won, I'm arguing that mech isn't a viable option for an infinity of reasons and that people stop crying about the warhounds, thors are the only anti-air available for mech but they take a long time to build and if you go thors the entire game the zerg can just win with pure roaches because you won't have enough tanks, and a muta switch is often deadly and very easy to do if the terran doesn't have the exact amount of thors at all times and if you don't have a critical mass of thors they die without killing a single muta.Also, your analogy made absolutely no sense, don't be stupid.
You're saying that mech doesn't work in ZvT when multiple people are doing it including MVP (against Nestea as well as here). Mech also knocked out Nestea in the RO32 (mass thor/hellion mech no less).
Secondly, how did my analogy make no sense? I took the exact same mineral counts (1200) and compared them. You can up that to like 35-40 marines and, if upgrades are even, a well micro'd 25+ muta ball will still take barely any losses. Bouncing in and out of range is cool like that. Medivacs totally null the argument, however (sorta like scv's repairing thors).
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On November 06 2011 13:40 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. You cannot use Ravens because they are so gas heavy and you have a problem making tanks, thors, and upgrades all ready (plus factories cost gas). Honestly, I think if Terrans are going to go mech they need to build turrets with their push (lots). Perhaps skimp on the hellions a bit and use the minerals to turtle with lots of turrets?
He made more than 10 banshees, I said replace them with ravens.
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Thank you MvP for not going the route of fail.
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Woah is MVP married? I think I just saw a ring on dat finga.
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This zerg is getting out matched right now.
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I'm so happy he held the baneling bust, was easy from there.
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AnnYeong lookin a little sweaty there....haha
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On November 06 2011 13:44 Lusankya wrote:
Woah is MVP married? I think I just saw a ring on dat finga.
Probably his Blizzcon championship ring lol.
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On November 06 2011 13:44 Lusankya wrote:
Woah is MVP married? I think I just saw a ring on dat finga.
It means he has a girlfriend.
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On November 06 2011 13:44 Lusankya wrote:
Woah is MVP married? I think I just saw a ring on dat finga.
It's a couple ring, asian kind of tradition/random habit.
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On November 06 2011 13:44 Lusankya wrote:
Woah is MVP married? I think I just saw a ring on dat finga.
In Korean it is common to wear "couples rings", just means he has a girlfriend, he isn't married
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On November 06 2011 13:44 Lusankya wrote:
Woah is MVP married? I think I just saw a ring on dat finga.
In korea those are called 'Couple's rings'
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On November 06 2011 13:44 Lusankya wrote:
Woah is MVP married? I think I just saw a ring on dat finga.
Promise rings with himself and his GF. I'm guessing it's a popular thing because MC did the same thing with his GF.
EDIT: Sorry, I meant Couple rings ^^
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On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career.
Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech.
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After seeing game 2, how did MVP lose game 1?
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Doesn't anyone wear rings "just because" anymore?
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On November 06 2011 13:45 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:44 Lusankya wrote:
Woah is MVP married? I think I just saw a ring on dat finga. It means he has a girlfriend.
Yep, MC has one as well, its a cultural thing.
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On November 06 2011 13:43 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:40 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. You cannot use Ravens because they are so gas heavy and you have a problem making tanks, thors, and upgrades all ready (plus factories cost gas). Honestly, I think if Terrans are going to go mech they need to build turrets with their push (lots). Perhaps skimp on the hellions a bit and use the minerals to turtle with lots of turrets? He made more than 10 banshees, I said replace them with ravens.
It's a tough argument to make; MVP went banshees because he didn't scout the spire. If you want to go raven against roaches with mech you're just making mech's immobility worse - you want to rely on sieged tanks/thors/ravens with PDD?
The advantage of banshees is that they're great for cleaning up roaches, can snipe infestors and they're kinda fast. The advantage of ravens is that PDD/HSM are super powerful in a direct engagement. The thing is, mech is already amazing in direct engagements. Strengthening the strengths mightn't be the best idea.
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On November 06 2011 13:46 TemplarCo. wrote:
After seeing game 2, how did MVP lose game 1?
Combination of several things.
- Annyeong played really well to counter mech play, especially on a large map like Antiga. Really abused the immobility of mech.
- MVP made a variety of mistakes, overcommital on hellion harass, very late tanks, and was not prepared for the muta switch whatsoever.
- Thors suck ass against mutas.
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That micro was fucking amazing. @_@
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AnnYeong having some fun with the air conditioning controls :D
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On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech.
Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol.
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wat was annyeong doing with that device in booth?
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On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol.
I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
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OMG MVP control and crisis managment is fucking scary o_o
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On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
I'd like to see the interview where he says he specifically goes mech because of carpel tunnel issues. I'm not denying he has carpel tunnel, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't change his strategy because of that condition.
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On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol.
Actually he's correct lol.
MVP stated in interviews that mech is easier on his wrists. And if you notice, he's been trying to streamline mech in all his play now, and only pulls out his rapetrain biomech when shit gets serious. Not to mention as a progamer, and especially a trait that MVP has always had, he's got the most variety in builds and playstyles, which is what makes him even more of an amazing player imo. But yeah he's stated multiple times about mech+carpal tunnel, so it's not an ignorant thing to say.
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On November 06 2011 13:47 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:43 MrCon wrote:On November 06 2011 13:40 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. You cannot use Ravens because they are so gas heavy and you have a problem making tanks, thors, and upgrades all ready (plus factories cost gas). Honestly, I think if Terrans are going to go mech they need to build turrets with their push (lots). Perhaps skimp on the hellions a bit and use the minerals to turtle with lots of turrets? He made more than 10 banshees, I said replace them with ravens. It's a tough argument to make; MVP went banshees because he didn't scout the spire. If you want to go raven against roaches with mech you're just making mech's immobility worse - you want to rely on sieged tanks/thors/ravens with PDD? The advantage of banshees is that they're great for cleaning up roaches, can snipe infestors and they're kinda fast. The advantage of ravens is that PDD/HSM are super powerful in a direct engagement. The thing is, mech is already amazing in direct engagements. Strengthening the strengths mightn't be the best idea.
But the point is you don't want to be "cleaning up" roaches. If the roaches clean up your ground army then you've already lost basically. I think investing in more tanks is better, although I guess banshees will prevent you from losing straight up right then and there to pure roach.
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On November 06 2011 13:48 cold- wrote:
wat was annyeong doing with that device in booth?
He was turning up the air conditioning
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On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
How is it ignorant? Any terran will tell you for a fact it is far far far less APM dependant. Marine tank in TVZ requires a lot of apm, which puts stress on the wrists, how does that not make sense?
If you look in his GSL games vs Nestea, game 5 he went Marine tank, when everything was on the line, and absolutely massacred. Seems like he uses it only when he needs too.
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On November 06 2011 13:50 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before. I'd like to see the interview where he says he specifically goes mech because of carpel tunnel issues. I'm not denying he has carpel tunnel, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't change his strategy because of that condition.
Its been in multiple interviews. I'm not going to dig them up for you, but multiple users affirming should be enough.
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On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
He actually has higher apm while playing mech, which probably does not help carpal tunnel
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On November 06 2011 13:46 TemplarCo. wrote:
After seeing game 2, how did MVP lose game 1?
AnnYeong choked under the pressure
his banelings hit all the depots at once so the lings couldn't get in, and then hellions came in and cleaned up all the lings
from there mvp capitalized on his huge mistake and roflstomped him pretty easily
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On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before.
Teams should probably start providing carpal tunnel protection plans or health benefits related to such problems.
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On November 06 2011 13:50 kineticSYN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. Actually he's correct lol. MVP stated in interviews that mech is easier on his wrists. And if you notice, he's been trying to streamline mech in all his play now, and only pulls out his rapetrain biomech when shit gets serious. Not to mention as a progamer, and especially a trait that MVP has always had, he's got the most variety in builds and playstyles, which is what makes him even more of an amazing player imo. But yeah he's stated multiple times about mech+carpal tunnel, so it's not an ignorant thing to say.
Oh, then I stand corrected, sorry to who I called ignorant :[ I guess I am the real ignorant one haha.
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On November 06 2011 13:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:47 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:43 MrCon wrote:On November 06 2011 13:40 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. You cannot use Ravens because they are so gas heavy and you have a problem making tanks, thors, and upgrades all ready (plus factories cost gas). Honestly, I think if Terrans are going to go mech they need to build turrets with their push (lots). Perhaps skimp on the hellions a bit and use the minerals to turtle with lots of turrets? He made more than 10 banshees, I said replace them with ravens. It's a tough argument to make; MVP went banshees because he didn't scout the spire. If you want to go raven against roaches with mech you're just making mech's immobility worse - you want to rely on sieged tanks/thors/ravens with PDD? The advantage of banshees is that they're great for cleaning up roaches, can snipe infestors and they're kinda fast. The advantage of ravens is that PDD/HSM are super powerful in a direct engagement. The thing is, mech is already amazing in direct engagements. Strengthening the strengths mightn't be the best idea. But the point is you don't want to be "cleaning up" roaches. If the roaches clean up your ground army then you've already lost basically. I think investing in more tanks is better, although I guess banshees will prevent you from losing straight up right then and there to pure roach.
You misunderstood; if the zerg is going pure roach/ling he's going to be doing it with drops/nydus and stretching the terran right out - banshees are great at cleaning stuff up in that situation. In straight up engagements they're just some added dps that isn't easily dealt with.
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On November 06 2011 13:51 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before. He actually has higher apm while playing mech, which probably does not help carpal tunnel
Oh yeah? How far up your ass did you find that statistic?
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On November 06 2011 13:51 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before. He actually has higher apm while playing mech, which probably does not help carpal tunnel
how do you know that?
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You can't really say its because its less apm or whatever. Mech requires less wrist movement, this is a fact. Even in BW, bio vs Zerg was much more micro-intensive and in that sense more demanding on your wrists. Whereas Mech was much more immobile, turtley and the vast majority of your APM was simply going into your macro (production, etc.). Now in SC2 with MBS and being able to hold down keys (which still counts towards your apm) Mech is even easier to pull off (in a sense) because the macro aspect is far less-demanding and you were already doing less to begin with.
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On November 06 2011 13:43 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:37 ftd.rain wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. I'm not arguing that they should've won, I'm arguing that mech isn't a viable option for an infinity of reasons and that people stop crying about the warhounds, thors are the only anti-air available for mech but they take a long time to build and if you go thors the entire game the zerg can just win with pure roaches because you won't have enough tanks, and a muta switch is often deadly and very easy to do if the terran doesn't have the exact amount of thors at all times and if you don't have a critical mass of thors they die without killing a single muta.Also, your analogy made absolutely no sense, don't be stupid. You're saying that mech doesn't work in ZvT when multiple people are doing it including MVP (against Nestea as well as here). Mech also knocked out Nestea in the RO32 (mass thor/hellion mech no less). Secondly, how did my analogy make no sense? I took the exact same mineral counts (1200) and compared them. You can up that to like 35-40 marines and, if upgrades are even, a well micro'd 25+ muta ball will still take barely any losses. Bouncing in and out of range is cool like that. Medivacs totally null the argument, however (sorta like scv's repairing thors).
Multiple people?Happy, MVP and gumiho in a couple of games, who else? And iirc their lowest win ratio come from playing mech.
4 thors = 40 marines, no way 40 marines don't kill way the hell more mutas than the thors in any situation and please be my guest and give the mutas to jaedong, your analogy was horrible.
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On November 06 2011 13:53 Noktix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:51 scarper65 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 13:48 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:46 Raambo11 wrote:On November 06 2011 13:41 Razuik wrote:On November 06 2011 13:35 doihy wrote:On November 06 2011 13:32 Toppp wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Dodgin wrote:On November 06 2011 13:29 huyman wrote:
omfg, Annyeong is amazing more like omfg Annyeong made units and attacked with them, abusing how bad thors are against mutas if you micro. He almost gave the game back to MVP when he had a huge lead. What the hell are you talking about? Annyung played that very well and mech in TvZ is extremely powerful if used properly, he never even remotely came close to tossing the game and was always up on mining... yea mech is extremely powerful... which is why we see people using and winning it in the gsl... wait. Winning Blizzcon is not enough of an example for you? Having the ability to play both mech and bio very well has been extremely beneficial for MVP's career. Not at all, he probably only went mech because of carpal tunnel. When he goes marine tank he crushes far harder than when he goes mech. Okay, saying he went mech because of carpal tunnel is an extremely ignorant thing to suggest lol. I believe he's said so as much in interviews before. He actually has higher apm while playing mech, which probably does not help carpal tunnel Oh yeah? How far up your ass did you find that statistic?
Go look at some replays of him. And try playing mech yourself
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OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS AWFUL COMMERCIAL/ROCK SONG THING
AAAAAAAAAAAAA MUTE
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God this song is awful. Ahahaha....
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TIME TO SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
TIME TO SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAYAYAYA
TIME TO SAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
someone kill me now
the singer genuinely seems like a coked up whore
i wouldn't display this on tv..
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On November 06 2011 13:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:47 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:43 MrCon wrote:On November 06 2011 13:40 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. You cannot use Ravens because they are so gas heavy and you have a problem making tanks, thors, and upgrades all ready (plus factories cost gas). Honestly, I think if Terrans are going to go mech they need to build turrets with their push (lots). Perhaps skimp on the hellions a bit and use the minerals to turtle with lots of turrets? He made more than 10 banshees, I said replace them with ravens. It's a tough argument to make; MVP went banshees because he didn't scout the spire. If you want to go raven against roaches with mech you're just making mech's immobility worse - you want to rely on sieged tanks/thors/ravens with PDD? The advantage of banshees is that they're great for cleaning up roaches, can snipe infestors and they're kinda fast. The advantage of ravens is that PDD/HSM are super powerful in a direct engagement. The thing is, mech is already amazing in direct engagements. Strengthening the strengths mightn't be the best idea. But the point is you don't want to be "cleaning up" roaches. If the roaches clean up your ground army then you've already lost basically. I think investing in more tanks is better, although I guess banshees will prevent you from losing straight up right then and there to pure roach.
banshees add alot to ur mobility so the first poster was right. its not only to clean up small runbys but also to support ur small fortified positions everywhere faster.
U can leave a thor and three tanks at ur gold and defend with the rest of ur army ur third nearby and then move ur basnhees + hellions where u need them instead of slow tanks or thors. This way u can defend more places earlier in the game and thats why mvp took his 4 so fast but mutas just outright killed him
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am voting for mvp and supernova so this can be a TvT semi finals
hoping for an Mvp MKP finals again
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I had no idea Fat Joe moved to Korea.
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On November 06 2011 14:00 _Darwin_ wrote:
I had no idea Fat Joe moved to Korea.
You don't know a lot of things about Fat Joe.
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I do believe that is the first truly fat korean I've ever seen.
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On November 06 2011 13:59 devPLEASE wrote:
am voting for mvp and supernova so this can be a TvT semi finals
hoping for an Mvp MKP finals again
Do they actually play the finals? Since both players qualify anyway... what would they be playing for?
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This is so painful.
OMG THAT BASS PLAYERS MUSTACHE. 0.o
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I want to formally apologize for what the west has done. Supa Baby, you and your Supa Baby Chain have opened my eyes.
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On November 06 2011 14:00 Lunares wrote:
I do believe that is the first truly fat korean I've ever seen.
What do you call Julyzerg?
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What's up with this insanely long break between games? Get on with it already.
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On November 06 2011 13:59 Nakama wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 06 2011 13:47 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:43 MrCon wrote:On November 06 2011 13:40 Wegandi wrote:On November 06 2011 13:38 MrCon wrote:
I wonder if ravens for pdd and eventual missiles wouldn't have been better than banshees. At least cloak would have helped as they could have escaped the mutas. You cannot use Ravens because they are so gas heavy and you have a problem making tanks, thors, and upgrades all ready (plus factories cost gas). Honestly, I think if Terrans are going to go mech they need to build turrets with their push (lots). Perhaps skimp on the hellions a bit and use the minerals to turtle with lots of turrets? He made more than 10 banshees, I said replace them with ravens. It's a tough argument to make; MVP went banshees because he didn't scout the spire. If you want to go raven against roaches with mech you're just making mech's immobility worse - you want to rely on sieged tanks/thors/ravens with PDD? The advantage of banshees is that they're great for cleaning up roaches, can snipe infestors and they're kinda fast. The advantage of ravens is that PDD/HSM are super powerful in a direct engagement. The thing is, mech is already amazing in direct engagements. Strengthening the strengths mightn't be the best idea. But the point is you don't want to be "cleaning up" roaches. If the roaches clean up your ground army then you've already lost basically. I think investing in more tanks is better, although I guess banshees will prevent you from losing straight up right then and there to pure roach. banshees add alot to ur mobility so the first poster was right. its not only to clean up small runbys but also to support ur small fortified positions everywhere faster. U can leave a thor and three tanks at ur gold and defend with the rest of ur army ur third nearby and then move ur basnhees + hellions where u need them instead of slow tanks or thors. This way u can defend more places earlier in the game and thats why mvp took his 4 so fast but mutas just outright killed him
All the zerg has to do is get mutas out and it stops any sort of banshee movement without moving your thors as well. There's really no reason not to go mutas since you want a spire anyway, they're good in mass numbers, and roaches just don't cut it after a certain point.They can also stop helions better than roaches.
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would you rather listen to that crap jinair promotes or kpop...
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that was probbly the worst song i've ever heard
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Mvp, why u no awesome hair anymore?!
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On November 06 2011 14:02 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:00 Lunares wrote:
I do believe that is the first truly fat korean I've ever seen. What do you call Julyzerg?
He just has a ready supply of larva.
+ Show Spoiler +i have no idea what i mean by that
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On November 06 2011 14:04 _Darwin_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:02 scarper65 wrote:On November 06 2011 14:00 Lunares wrote:
I do believe that is the first truly fat korean I've ever seen. What do you call Julyzerg? He just has a ready supply of larva. + Show Spoiler +i have no idea what i mean by that
Hahahaha
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Is there an English cast available by chance? One of the various streams I tried seemed to imply that there was, but I couldn't find it.
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On November 06 2011 13:55 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:43 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:37 ftd.rain wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. I'm not arguing that they should've won, I'm arguing that mech isn't a viable option for an infinity of reasons and that people stop crying about the warhounds, thors are the only anti-air available for mech but they take a long time to build and if you go thors the entire game the zerg can just win with pure roaches because you won't have enough tanks, and a muta switch is often deadly and very easy to do if the terran doesn't have the exact amount of thors at all times and if you don't have a critical mass of thors they die without killing a single muta.Also, your analogy made absolutely no sense, don't be stupid. You're saying that mech doesn't work in ZvT when multiple people are doing it including MVP (against Nestea as well as here). Mech also knocked out Nestea in the RO32 (mass thor/hellion mech no less). Secondly, how did my analogy make no sense? I took the exact same mineral counts (1200) and compared them. You can up that to like 35-40 marines and, if upgrades are even, a well micro'd 25+ muta ball will still take barely any losses. Bouncing in and out of range is cool like that. Medivacs totally null the argument, however (sorta like scv's repairing thors). Multiple people?Happy, MVP and gumiho in a couple of games, who else? And iirc their lowest win ratio come from playing mech. 4 thors = 40 marines, no way 40 marines don't kill way the hell more mutas than the thors in any situation and please be my guest and give the mutas to jaedong, your analogy was horrible.
3 != multiple to you? Gumiho only plays mech in a couple of games? You seriously want to trade gas > minerals 1:1? And Jaedong could kill a marine/tank ball with 40 marines without losing a single fucking mutalisk; have you seen what happens if there isn't medivac support in that situation? Forcing stims and running away isn't hard, nor is picking off any marines on the edges off the ball.
The advantage of marines over thors is that they can buy time (yay reinforcements), get upgrade advantages and have a ton of units that are generally stupid good against anything that isn't a baneling; thor's are very different. That has nothing to do with how good each is against mutas.
You're making my head hurt by going into every argument with the assumption that you're right. Read you're first post again before you try and call me stupid.
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mmmmmmmm yummy bbq drone!
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Holy shit 26 workers killed. Just forced those helions up there
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How hard is it for zergs to keep one queen blocking the ramp? Sigh........ and people balance whine when a player can't even do a simple defense.
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Tons of drones killed, MVP has a huge lead in this game.
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MVP is about to break a nerds neck.
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As someone said, when its serious business, MVP goes bio + mech and he's almost unstoppable TvZ.
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DAT mistake >< Make roaches, lose to hellions....
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Hold position queen at ramp is a very good talent toi have
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Splitting down to the very last marine lol.
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+2+2 lings already started tho, MVP just starts his +1 bio.
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Does anyone remember the last time you saw Mvp do some of his amazing marine splitting?
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On November 06 2011 14:11 MrCon wrote:
+2+2 lings already started tho, MVP just starts his +1 bio.
MVP is starting +2 weapons, +1 armor, and +1 mech.
Not that far behind.
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Did two mules just stood there at his third?
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Wtf is annyeong trying to tech to? 1k/1k banked no infestation pit no spire.
Edit: oh, 3 base baneling bust ok...
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On November 06 2011 14:12 scarper65 wrote:
Does anyone remember the last time you saw Mvp do some of his amazing marine splitting?
I don't even remember when I saw Mvp play bio last time.
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THATS A LOT OF FUCKING BANELINGS LOL
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So many banelings. This might be hard for MVP to deal with.
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making 60 banelings at once lol
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Sooooooo many banelings, holy crap.
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missing combat shields mvp! (i think)
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Annyeong with SOOOO MANY BANELINGS!!!
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Jesus they were both floating like 1.5k minerals for ~40s there. Weird (but intense) game.
Edit: What the fuck is going on, I have no idea who's winning O_O
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That +2 timing will HURT.
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did someone say BANELINGS?
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MVP holds like a boss, and denies the third again.
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MVP right up in supply still. CMON SON!
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Did I hear... THORUUUUUUU?
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SO MANY BANELINGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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That drop saved MVP's ass. If he hadn't killed that hatch this game would've been alot closer.
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MVP holds, takes out the zerg's 2nd expansion. Should have this game locked up now.
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He needs to hold the next big attack and he wins
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Cmon MVP you can do this!
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Wow that crises management............. how the heck do you not die to that? Sick tank placement as well...
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MVP's face after that bust was priceless!
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as my comment got buried, does mvp have combat shields? doesnt seem to me edit: oh he does now
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On November 06 2011 14:15 Termit wrote:
Did I hear... THORUUUUUUU?
Yes, yes you did. And this is why korean commentary >>> english commentary. :D Thoruuuuu!
That zoom in on MVP going :O was awesome. :D OGN for the win.
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On November 06 2011 14:16 Obelisco wrote:
as my comment got buried, does mvp have combat shields? doesnt seem to me
Standard face son
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Easily done. MVP can't lose from here.
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MVP has otherwordly crisis management. The guy is insane.
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just wasting units now =[
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MvP should have this in the bag.
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Supermegafail banelings right there. >_<;
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that baneling wave and tanks looked alot like tower defense custom I played earlier
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mvp trying to embarass this zerg now
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I missed the start of game 3, why is he still going ling/bane?
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On November 06 2011 14:16 Termit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:16 Obelisco wrote:
as my comment got buried, does mvp have combat shields? doesnt seem to me Standard face son
MVP's standard face is NO COMBAT SHIELDS.
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Uh oh, if Mvp doesn't kill him before infestors he is gonna die
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that was the least damage that 50 banelings can possibly do. coulda 1a'd and done more damage.
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No mutas = mass drops, just like day9 said...
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omfg imbagestors are coming
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He threw away like 50+ banelings =/ I'm trying to imagine a world where Annyeong makes a spire (or infestors) and doesn't throw the game away =( This should actually be really close but it's just not.
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Shame he screwed up his attack. This mass ling-bane style looks really cool. Annyeong is actually a pretty promising player...
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On November 06 2011 14:18 scarper65 wrote:
Uh oh, if Mvp doesn't kill him before infestors he is gonna die
nope.
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Also, MVP does have combat sheilds.
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On November 06 2011 14:18 scarper65 wrote:
Uh oh, if Mvp doesn't kill him before infestors he is gonna die
Uhm... No, MVP can't lose from here.
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MVP's multitask is so fucking sick.
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TvTvTvT semi-final almost confirmed
this is starting to look alot like GSL lol
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Lol, that's why you don't take the gold vs terran.
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It feels like annyeong has a lot more units than sub 100 supply
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What is the zerg doing... -.-
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MVP's drop harass is unrelenting
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MvP so methodical with those drops.
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On November 06 2011 14:19 cENTRYZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:18 scarper65 wrote:
Uh oh, if Mvp doesn't kill him before infestors he is gonna die Uhm... No, MVP can't lose from here.
Just wait. If the infestors and brood lords don't, the remax on 400 lings will
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On November 06 2011 14:20 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:19 cENTRYZ wrote:On November 06 2011 14:18 scarper65 wrote:
Uh oh, if Mvp doesn't kill him before infestors he is gonna die Uhm... No, MVP can't lose from here. Just wait. If the infestors and brood lords don't, the remax on 400 lings will
annyeong has no economy
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On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special.
MMAs drops are abit better.
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On November 06 2011 14:20 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:19 cENTRYZ wrote:On November 06 2011 14:18 scarper65 wrote:
Uh oh, if Mvp doesn't kill him before infestors he is gonna die Uhm... No, MVP can't lose from here. Just wait. If the infestors and brood lords don't, the remax on 400 lings will
Remax? He's idling at 100 supply.
Edit: sigh, Annyeong is actually really good but his decision making that game was just unbelievable. MVP looks pretty mortal going into the semi-finals, anyway.
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On November 06 2011 14:20 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:19 cENTRYZ wrote:On November 06 2011 14:18 scarper65 wrote:
Uh oh, if Mvp doesn't kill him before infestors he is gonna die Uhm... No, MVP can't lose from here. Just wait. If the infestors and brood lords don't, the remax on 400 lings will
What game are you watching...
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Wow MVP is a boss! Anneyong played pretty decent as well.
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On November 06 2011 14:20 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:19 cENTRYZ wrote:On November 06 2011 14:18 scarper65 wrote:
Uh oh, if Mvp doesn't kill him before infestors he is gonna die Uhm... No, MVP can't lose from here. Just wait. If the infestors and brood lords don't, the remax on 400 lings will
I just wanted to be the first to tell you're wrong.
Guess I'm not.
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On November 06 2011 14:20 CEPEHDREI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. MMAs drops are abit better.
There was nothing about those drops that you could say MMA was better. The same? Sure.
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Poll: Recommend MVP vs Annyeong (Game 3)?Yes (31) 82% No (4) 11% If you have time (3) 8% 38 total votes Your vote: Recommend MVP vs Annyeong (Game 3)? (Vote): Yes
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SOOO MANY BANNEELINGS!!
MVP's multitask is superb :D
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On November 06 2011 14:21 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:20 CEPEHDREI wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. MMAs drops are abit better. There was nothing about those drops that you could say MMA was better. The same? Sure.
MMA pushes the same time he's doing the drops. Though, you could say turtling was the better decision in this game.
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On November 06 2011 14:21 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:20 CEPEHDREI wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. MMAs drops are abit better. There was nothing about those drops that you could say MMA was better. The same? Sure.
hes focussing more and keeps his drops way longer alive.
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On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special.
Well, MMA's drop are the same but with added mutas =)
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If MVP just plays bio+mech and harasses like that with that amazing multitasking, I don't see him not getting a couple more GSL's soon.
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That wasn't really MVP taking control of that game as much as Annyeong giving it away. MVP might win anyway, but there was no doubt after he threw away 50 banelings, lost his third, and did literally no damage to MVP's third or his army.
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On November 06 2011 14:22 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:21 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 CEPEHDREI wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. MMAs drops are abit better. There was nothing about those drops that you could say MMA was better. The same? Sure. MMA pushes the same time he's doing the drops. Though, you could say turtling was the better decision in this game.
Yeap, with so many banelings on the field, moving out with unsieged tanks ain't the best idea
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Well done MVP. WCGTvTvTvT confirmed!
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Welcome to MVP's biomech.
Thanks for coming. Enjoy the trashing. :D
Unparalleled biomech TvZ imo. Stays on top of macro, best crisis management, sick micro, methodical and appropriate drops, perfect unit comp (#'s of marines/tanks/thors/medivacs), solid upgrade timings, solid everything.
That was fun to watch. :D
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I am so excited for this Terran only semi and finals!
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MVP playing very well but Annyeong also looking surprisingly strong despite be relatively unknown in comparison.
Grats to MVP, who looks poised to win WCG. I may follow Annyeong a bit more seeing how surprisingly decent he played in this last match. I expected a much more dominant win from MVP this series, but Annyeong looking rather good.
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On November 06 2011 14:23 DizzySheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:22 Inflicted_ wrote:On November 06 2011 14:21 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 CEPEHDREI wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. MMAs drops are abit better. There was nothing about those drops that you could say MMA was better. The same? Sure. MMA pushes the same time he's doing the drops. Though, you could say turtling was the better decision in this game. Yeap, with so many banelings on the field, moving out with unsieged tanks ain't the best idea
But against mass ling/bling, you could be clearing the creep while you're multi-dropping.
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On November 06 2011 14:22 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. Well, MMA's drop are the same but with added mutas =)
Well if there are mutas, MVP won't even bother to drop. Thats why he so good, dosen't take any risks and loses units needlessly while MMA goes for the jugular and sometimes his drops pay off/or not.
Different styles really, though MVP TvZ will be a lot more consistent since he plays safe. Both still great players.
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On November 06 2011 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote:
MVP playing very well but Annyeong also looking surprisingly strong despite be relatively unknown in comparison.
Grats to MVP, who looks poised to win WCG. I may follow Annyeong a bit more seeing how surprisingly decent he played in this last match. I expected a much more dominant win from MVP this series, but Annyeong looking rather good.
I think annyeong had his weakest showing in the last game, lots and lots of mistakes piling up.
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On November 06 2011 14:24 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:23 DizzySheep wrote:On November 06 2011 14:22 Inflicted_ wrote:On November 06 2011 14:21 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 CEPEHDREI wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. MMAs drops are abit better. There was nothing about those drops that you could say MMA was better. The same? Sure. MMA pushes the same time he's doing the drops. Though, you could say turtling was the better decision in this game. Yeap, with so many banelings on the field, moving out with unsieged tanks ain't the best idea But against mass ling/bling, you could be clearing the creep while you're multi-dropping.
T move out, then Z counter attack.
yeah you gosu =)
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On November 06 2011 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote:
MVP playing very well but Annyeong also looking surprisingly strong despite be relatively unknown in comparison.
Grats to MVP, who looks poised to win WCG. I may follow Annyeong a bit more seeing how surprisingly decent he played in this last match. I expected a much more dominant win from MVP this series, but Annyeong looking rather good.
The interesting thing is that (if I remember right) he was the guy who denied Jinro Code A 2-1. Says something about Jinro's current form if he can almost win (apparently he threw a lead away in the final game against broodlords) against someone who shows games like Annyeong did (outside of his awful decision making lolo).
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sC has been on fire lately, but so has SuperNoVa. This should be a good match.
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Man, MVP has been so consistent lately, making it deep in every tournament. GSL win, GSL runner up, Blizzcon win, MLG invitational win, MLG win, Ro4 WCG. All those tournaments in a row, and he's made it past first rounds of ace invitational and GSL november
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Epic TvT incoming. So excited for this match!
Let the return of sC CONTINUE!
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if only MVP didnt have carpel tunnel, wonder how good he can really be :/
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On November 06 2011 14:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Man, MVP has been so consistent lately, making it deep in every tournament. GSL win, GSL runner up, Blizzcon win, MLG invitational win, MLG win, Ro4 WCG. All those tournaments in a row, and he's made it past first rounds of ace invitational and GSL november
Makes me happy. :')
When MVP dropped to Code A, those were dark, dark times. T_T
But now he's back where he belongs. :D
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On November 06 2011 14:26 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:22 MrCon wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. Well, MMA's drop are the same but with added mutas =) Well if there are mutas, MVP won't even bother to drop. Thats why he so good, dosen't take any risks and loses units needlessly while MMA goes for the jugular and sometimes his drops pay off/or not. Different styles really, though MVP TvZ will be a lot more consistent since he plays safe. Both still great players.
Yeah, they play completely different styles.
MMA uses his multi-tasking to wither down the Zerg as they stop focusing on upgrades/creep spread/muta-usage if they're constantly cleaning up drops, pushes and whatnot.
MVP plays completely safe building up his siege tank count and either waits for the Zerg to be aggressive (which is unfavorable for Zergs) or they lose to his end-game composition.
MMA loses to those who are good enough to crush his drops or deal enough damage in return while MVP loses to any Zerg who understands how late-game works and sets themself up for it (upgrades, hive tech, broods, creep spread etc.)
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On November 06 2011 14:29 hai2u wrote:
if only MVP didnt have carpel tunnel, wonder how good he can really be :/
Well he was beginning to do decent in BW at the end of his career, beating some really good players. If he didn't have any, i wager he probably be an actual A-Teamer
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On November 06 2011 14:30 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:26 poorcloud wrote:On November 06 2011 14:22 MrCon wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. Well, MMA's drop are the same but with added mutas =) Well if there are mutas, MVP won't even bother to drop. Thats why he so good, dosen't take any risks and loses units needlessly while MMA goes for the jugular and sometimes his drops pay off/or not. Different styles really, though MVP TvZ will be a lot more consistent since he plays safe. Both still great players. Yeah, they play completely different styles. MMA uses his multi-tasking to wither down the Zerg as they stop focusing on upgrades/creep spread/muta-usage if they're constantly cleaning up drops, pushes and whatnot. MVP plays completely safe building up his siege tank count and either waits for the Zerg to be aggressive (which is unfavorable for Zergs) or they lose to his end-game composition. MMA loses to those who are good enough to crush his drops or deal enough damage in return while MVP loses to any Zerg who understands how late-game works and sets themself up for it (upgrades, hive tech, broods, creep spread etc.)
Except neither of them have lost a televised series TvZ to anything other than cheese/timings (MVP lost 1 series to July's baneling busts, MMA 1 series to Lucky's roachling timing). So apparently no ones good enough and no one understands lategame =P
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On November 06 2011 14:09 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:55 ftd.rain wrote:On November 06 2011 13:43 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:37 ftd.rain wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. I'm not arguing that they should've won, I'm arguing that mech isn't a viable option for an infinity of reasons and that people stop crying about the warhounds, thors are the only anti-air available for mech but they take a long time to build and if you go thors the entire game the zerg can just win with pure roaches because you won't have enough tanks, and a muta switch is often deadly and very easy to do if the terran doesn't have the exact amount of thors at all times and if you don't have a critical mass of thors they die without killing a single muta.Also, your analogy made absolutely no sense, don't be stupid. You're saying that mech doesn't work in ZvT when multiple people are doing it including MVP (against Nestea as well as here). Mech also knocked out Nestea in the RO32 (mass thor/hellion mech no less). Secondly, how did my analogy make no sense? I took the exact same mineral counts (1200) and compared them. You can up that to like 35-40 marines and, if upgrades are even, a well micro'd 25+ muta ball will still take barely any losses. Bouncing in and out of range is cool like that. Medivacs totally null the argument, however (sorta like scv's repairing thors). Multiple people?Happy, MVP and gumiho in a couple of games, who else? And iirc their lowest win ratio come from playing mech. 4 thors = 40 marines, no way 40 marines don't kill way the hell more mutas than the thors in any situation and please be my guest and give the mutas to jaedong, your analogy was horrible. 3 != multiple to you? Gumiho only plays mech in a couple of games? You seriously want to trade gas > minerals 1:1? And Jaedong could kill a marine/tank ball with 40 marines without losing a single fucking mutalisk; have you seen what happens if there isn't medivac support in that situation? Forcing stims and running away isn't hard, nor is picking off any marines on the edges off the ball. The advantage of marines over thors is that they can buy time (yay reinforcements), get upgrade advantages and have a ton of units that are generally stupid good against anything that isn't a baneling; thor's are very different. That has nothing to do with how good each is against mutas. You're making my head hurt by going into every argument with the assumption that you're right. Read you're first post again before you try and call me stupid. Given the amount of terrans playing at the highest level, I consider 3 to be a pretty bleak number.Oh yea! You are right, gas is actually more valuable than minerals in almost every situation, so 4 thors = 50 marines , also, our main issue was always direct engagements, i.e when the zerg player is forced to defend or vice-versa, with 50 marines no amount of muta micro is gonna help and since the zerg will have a decently sized mutaball there won't be that many banelings to help against marines coming from every side, thors aren't nearly as efficient as marines vs mutas, they are actually a horrible anti-air how can you even begin to argue against that?
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Hmm, I feel like with better micro sC should've won right there.
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On November 06 2011 14:27 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote:
MVP playing very well but Annyeong also looking surprisingly strong despite be relatively unknown in comparison.
Grats to MVP, who looks poised to win WCG. I may follow Annyeong a bit more seeing how surprisingly decent he played in this last match. I expected a much more dominant win from MVP this series, but Annyeong looking rather good. The interesting thing is that (if I remember right) he was the guy who denied Jinro Code A 2-1. Says something about Jinro's current form if he can almost win (apparently he threw a lead away in the final game against broodlords) against someone who shows games like Annyeong did (outside of his awful decision making lolo).
outside of his awful decision making...? what the hell is this...if you think "outside of his awful decision making" it's not him any more...how about this: i can beat mvp if I have some gosu micro and macro and decision making...but it's not me any more...
see my point?
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sC was too aggressive with those marines. He should've just contained the natural and not let sC mine instead of rushing up into the main.
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Its unbelievable how sC went from winning the game to absolutely being destroyed...
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On November 06 2011 14:35 ftd.rain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:09 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:55 ftd.rain wrote:On November 06 2011 13:43 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:37 ftd.rain wrote:On November 06 2011 13:30 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 13:25 ftd.rain wrote:
And some dude kept arguing with me that thors are good and that idra was right about his whining, even MVP can't make pure mech work tvz , annyeong didn't lose a single muta to the 4 thors, mech just isn't viable tvz. Complaining that 4 thors without scv support die to 25 mutas is the equivalent of complaining that 24 marines without medivacs do nothing to a well-micro'd muta ball. Don't be stupid. I'm not arguing that they should've won, I'm arguing that mech isn't a viable option for an infinity of reasons and that people stop crying about the warhounds, thors are the only anti-air available for mech but they take a long time to build and if you go thors the entire game the zerg can just win with pure roaches because you won't have enough tanks, and a muta switch is often deadly and very easy to do if the terran doesn't have the exact amount of thors at all times and if you don't have a critical mass of thors they die without killing a single muta.Also, your analogy made absolutely no sense, don't be stupid. You're saying that mech doesn't work in ZvT when multiple people are doing it including MVP (against Nestea as well as here). Mech also knocked out Nestea in the RO32 (mass thor/hellion mech no less). Secondly, how did my analogy make no sense? I took the exact same mineral counts (1200) and compared them. You can up that to like 35-40 marines and, if upgrades are even, a well micro'd 25+ muta ball will still take barely any losses. Bouncing in and out of range is cool like that. Medivacs totally null the argument, however (sorta like scv's repairing thors). Multiple people?Happy, MVP and gumiho in a couple of games, who else? And iirc their lowest win ratio come from playing mech. 4 thors = 40 marines, no way 40 marines don't kill way the hell more mutas than the thors in any situation and please be my guest and give the mutas to jaedong, your analogy was horrible. 3 != multiple to you? Gumiho only plays mech in a couple of games? You seriously want to trade gas > minerals 1:1? And Jaedong could kill a marine/tank ball with 40 marines without losing a single fucking mutalisk; have you seen what happens if there isn't medivac support in that situation? Forcing stims and running away isn't hard, nor is picking off any marines on the edges off the ball. The advantage of marines over thors is that they can buy time (yay reinforcements), get upgrade advantages and have a ton of units that are generally stupid good against anything that isn't a baneling; thor's are very different. That has nothing to do with how good each is against mutas. You're making my head hurt by going into every argument with the assumption that you're right. Read you're first post again before you try and call me stupid. Given the amount of terrans playing at the highest level, I consider 3 to be a pretty bleak number.Oh yea! You are right, gas is actually more valuable than minerals in almost every situation, so 4 thors = 50 marines , also, our main issue was always direct engagements, i.e when the zerg player is forced to defend or vice-versa, with 50 marines no amount of muta micro is gonna help and since the zerg will have a decently sized mutaball there won't be that many banelings to help against marines coming from every side, thors aren't nearly as efficient as marines vs mutas, they are actually a horrible anti-air how can you even begin to argue against that?
My whole point is that both marines and thors suck against mass muta alone. Give marines medivacs and they can cope with the first ~20 mutas; once an Idra-style mutaball (30+ with upgrades) gets out you absolutely need thors. Similarly, give thors repair and armor upgrades and they can cope with mass mutalisks - I have no idea what happens once 30+ upgraded mutas are out, but considering that armor upgrades > mutalisk attack upgrades, it probably isn't pretty for the zerg.
Basically, they both suck. If you don't cover up their weaknesses you should lose. If you have 4 thors or 40 marines and nothing else, it doesn't matter whether you kill 2 mutas or 0, you're still fucked. Don't use one example where someone went into a bad situation with an imbalanced unit composition to make your argument.
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On November 06 2011 14:39 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I hate bo3 ro8s though.
Especially from the quality of the games tonight!
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On November 06 2011 14:35 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:30 Inflicted_ wrote:On November 06 2011 14:26 poorcloud wrote:On November 06 2011 14:22 MrCon wrote:On November 06 2011 14:20 Telcontar wrote:
MVP showing MMA's drops aren't that special. Well, MMA's drop are the same but with added mutas =) Well if there are mutas, MVP won't even bother to drop. Thats why he so good, dosen't take any risks and loses units needlessly while MMA goes for the jugular and sometimes his drops pay off/or not. Different styles really, though MVP TvZ will be a lot more consistent since he plays safe. Both still great players. Yeah, they play completely different styles. MMA uses his multi-tasking to wither down the Zerg as they stop focusing on upgrades/creep spread/muta-usage if they're constantly cleaning up drops, pushes and whatnot. MVP plays completely safe building up his siege tank count and either waits for the Zerg to be aggressive (which is unfavorable for Zergs) or they lose to his end-game composition. MMA loses to those who are good enough to crush his drops or deal enough damage in return while MVP loses to any Zerg who understands how late-game works and sets themself up for it (upgrades, hive tech, broods, creep spread etc.) Except neither of them have lost a televised series TvZ to anything other than cheese/timings (MVP lost 1 series to July's baneling busts, MMA 1 series to Lucky's roachling timing). So apparently no ones good enough and no one understands lategame =P
It's because MVP macros well enough that he usually hits max supply about the same time as a Zerg who prepares for late-game. He moves out after hitting max while dropping the 4th/5th/6th bases so that he forces them to create useless units to deal with them (Muta/ling) and have a weaker army or to lose their economy, all the while he techs to ghosts to deal with their hive-tech army.
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sC showing pretty bad crisis managment against those reapers. =/ He might be in trouble.
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Heh, Supernova building a manner Depot to delay sC's factory from dropping onto that Reactor addon.
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On November 06 2011 14:37 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:27 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote:
MVP playing very well but Annyeong also looking surprisingly strong despite be relatively unknown in comparison.
Grats to MVP, who looks poised to win WCG. I may follow Annyeong a bit more seeing how surprisingly decent he played in this last match. I expected a much more dominant win from MVP this series, but Annyeong looking rather good. The interesting thing is that (if I remember right) he was the guy who denied Jinro Code A 2-1. Says something about Jinro's current form if he can almost win (apparently he threw a lead away in the final game against broodlords) against someone who shows games like Annyeong did (outside of his awful decision making lolo). outside of his awful decision making...? what the hell is this...if you think "outside of his awful decision making" it's not him any more...how about this: i can beat mvp if I have some gosu micro and macro and decision making...but it's not me any more... see my point?
You can't judge someones general decision making based on one game. You especially can't judge them when the series is 1-1 and they're playing against a name as big as MVP. In fucking WCG.
We have no idea if Annyeong just got nervous or what; I'd bet he is generally smarter than that considering Nestea was coaching him in the Code A quals.
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Hehe, boesthius playing the trololol song for a bit while Supernova's Banshees ravage sC's SCVs.
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lol, boesthius, you are amazing.
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Did Supernova mech the first game as well?
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LOL this game is messy af
and HAHA the loss music... Boes... incredible hahaha
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Supernova's Siege Tank: "lalala, driving into the enemy base. Hello burning Orbital. lalala. Oh, I was supposed to shoot at it? OK. One hit and it's dead."
sC holding on for dear life but Supernova is in a decisive position.
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Wow that was a really, really messy game.
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sC TvT is easily his weakest matchup.
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Finished just in time for the AOL tournament
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On November 06 2011 14:27 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote:
MVP playing very well but Annyeong also looking surprisingly strong despite be relatively unknown in comparison.
Grats to MVP, who looks poised to win WCG. I may follow Annyeong a bit more seeing how surprisingly decent he played in this last match. I expected a much more dominant win from MVP this series, but Annyeong looking rather good. The interesting thing is that (if I remember right) he was the guy who denied Jinro Code A 2-1. Says something about Jinro's current form if he can almost win (apparently he threw a lead away in the final game against broodlords) against someone who shows games like Annyeong did (outside of his awful decision making lolo).
It was IMminseok that faught jinro not annyeong
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Supernova and his Banshees bringing the hurt!
It's hilarious to see pros' pride making them hate making a turret. Only to lose the game because they have 0 SCVs.
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On November 06 2011 14:54 Snausages wrote:
paaaaainful
yeah the fact that the casters couldn't stop laughing the entire game is a testament to how bad it was
overall some really good games and some really bad games, it's been a long time since i watched a korean language broadcast and that in itself was enough to make today worthwhile to me
perhaps i should buy a korean gsl ticket next season lol
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Supernova has been playing great starcraft lately. Good to see he finally got back to form.
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On November 06 2011 14:56 movac wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 14:27 Jehct wrote:On November 06 2011 14:24 eviltomahawk wrote:
MVP playing very well but Annyeong also looking surprisingly strong despite be relatively unknown in comparison.
Grats to MVP, who looks poised to win WCG. I may follow Annyeong a bit more seeing how surprisingly decent he played in this last match. I expected a much more dominant win from MVP this series, but Annyeong looking rather good. The interesting thing is that (if I remember right) he was the guy who denied Jinro Code A 2-1. Says something about Jinro's current form if he can almost win (apparently he threw a lead away in the final game against broodlords) against someone who shows games like Annyeong did (outside of his awful decision making lolo). It was IMminseok that faught jinro not annyeong
You're correct, good detective work sir! My mistake.
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Hm, yet another TvTvTvT ro4. There has been quite some amount of those all-T semifinals in the past year and a half.
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On November 06 2011 15:06 figq wrote:
Hm, yet another TvTvTvT ro4. There has been quite some amount of those all-T semifinals in the past year and a half.
With NesTea losing in the Ro32, and when the likes DRG couldn't even make it out of the prelims (losing in a ZvZ to AnnYeong, ironically), yeah...going to be a lot of T's.
Hell, it's not even as bad as it could be. MMA and Bomber didn't make it out of their prelims either. MMA lost to Hero, and Bomber lost to some unknown Terran in the first round of the prelims.
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On November 06 2011 15:06 figq wrote:
Hm, yet another TvTvTvT ro4. There has been quite some amount of those all-T semifinals in the past year and a half.
The AOL Ace Invitational has 3T 4Z 1P.
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I love how no one gave a crap about the second series lol
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EPT![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/36825.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/590.jpg)
VS ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2088.jpg)
MVP <Antiga Shipyard> 
AnnYeong![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/26.jpg)
VS ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2095.jpg)
