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neeb
United States367 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/In1PM.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/EfUqd.png) Playhem's third week of showmatches brings one of the biggest Zerg's in Starcraft II: Millenium's Stephano! Going up against him is former GSL Code A player TAiLS playing for Complexity/MVP. Date: Sunday November 6th Time: 2:00 PM PST // 5:00 PM EST // 11:00 PM CET // 7:00 AM KST Format: Best of 7 Prizes: Winner - $100 Loser - $50 Casters: Andrew "Kibbelz" Dunne and Tim "Robin" Frazier Stream: PlayhemTV | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44271 Posts
And it's going to be a close one! This should be good  | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Josketh
United States155 Posts
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Robin_thewonder
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On November 05 2011 15:04 Josketh wrote: excited for this. Nome | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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devPLEASE
Kenya605 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
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neeb
United States367 Posts
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MannerMan
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On November 05 2011 16:15 MannerMan wrote: Is this on the 5th or the 6th? The 6th | ||
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MannerMan
371 Posts
Ah, okay! The countdown banner said 14 hours, I was confused. | ||
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On November 05 2011 16:18 MannerMan wrote: Ah, okay! The countdown banner said 14 hours, I was confused. Yeah it has a mind of its own sometimes apparently lol, I took it down until it's fixed xD | ||
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neeb
United States367 Posts
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cold-
Canada209 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On November 05 2011 15:21 devPLEASE wrote: Hopefully this is played on KR server why ? only if stephano is in korea, if he in europe they must play on US, the lag from EU -> Korea is unplayable with no lag i dont see a chance for tails here, he is not as good vs zerg, i saw him playhem lose to sleivko pretty hard and stephano is 10 classes higher | ||
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On November 06 2011 06:10 CoR wrote: why ? only if stephano is in korea, if he in europe they must play on US, the lag from EU -> Korea is unplayable with no lag i dont see a chance for tails here, he is not as good vs zerg, i saw him playhem lose to sleivko pretty hard and stephano is 10 classes higher I definitely wouldn't be so quick to count TAiLS out of this. The games he lost to sLivko were played on the EU server where there's super bad lag from Korea. I think this will be a pretty good match played on NA :D | ||
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xi Tempest x
Scotland340 Posts
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Ruscour
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OGKruemmel
Croatia270 Posts
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
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Grapefruit
Germany439 Posts
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MuK_x
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Tails 4 stephano 3 with epic games~~ | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On November 06 2011 07:50 Grapefruit wrote: Didn't Tails kill NesTea in the GSTL? and MVP | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On November 05 2011 16:23 neeb wrote: Yeah it has a mind of its own sometimes apparently lol, I took it down until it's fixed xD Sorry my fault shouldn't do math when sleepy.Also really hope we get to see this series go to game 7, this will no doubt be an interesting match up. I'm still cheering for TAiLS after his hold against MVP's 1-1-1 all in and defeating NesTea, but at the same time we all know how good Stephano is. I voted that it's too close to call. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
Toss+Lag=French win | ||
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trucane
United States553 Posts
I think it should be a close match | ||
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Denar
France1633 Posts
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ambrosiaa
Singapore333 Posts
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On November 06 2011 21:59 Denar wrote: Wow, I am not into showmatches usually, but this cast has me very excited. I expect some very epic games Haha yes! | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On November 06 2011 21:59 Denar wrote: Wow, I am not into showmatches usually, but this cast has me very excited. I expect some very epic games Same here, both very interesting players, hope lag doesn't affect the whole thing too much. | ||
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Dr. Von Derful
United States363 Posts
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
On November 06 2011 10:56 Eppa! wrote: 4-1/0 Stephano. Toss+Lag=French win Lag isnt on both side? Can a player lag and his opponent not? (real question here, i'm not being ironic) | ||
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Obaa
France15 Posts
Hmmm 4-2 for Stephano ! | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Flightan
France147 Posts
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
I predict 4:3 for tails | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
On November 07 2011 03:58 Kira__ wrote: top foreigner vs medicore korean, should be cloe A mediocre korean who beats nestea and MVP recently. | ||
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ydeer93
United Kingdom66 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:04 gds wrote: A mediocre korean who beats nestea and MVP recently. If he beat them both in BO5s yea u could speak.. but bo1? hmm ya they dont mean anything really | ||
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zerker2strong
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:08 ydeer93 wrote: If he beat them both in BO5s yea u could speak.. but bo1? hmm ya they dont mean anything really So when people were throwing parties when HuK beat NesTea in a bo1 in that showmatch thing GOM did, despite NesTea saying he was trying something new, they were all like 'A LOSS IS STILL A LOSS, HUK SO GOOD' I'm sorry but even if he beat them once, in a bo1, a win is still a win. | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1721 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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ydeer93
United Kingdom66 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:21 MonkSEA wrote: So when people were throwing parties when HuK beat NesTea in a bo1 in that showmatch thing GOM did, despite NesTea saying he was trying something new, they were all like 'A LOSS IS STILL A LOSS, HUK SO GOOD' I'm sorry but even if he beat them once, in a bo1, a win is still a win. ya they was all Huk fanboys, alot of people even said huk was playing really serious for a showmatch, but what proves who a better player, winning a best 5? or winning a bo1 when u may have gotten lucky and fluked the win, | ||
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Tidus Mino
United Kingdom1108 Posts
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IGotPlayguuu
Italy660 Posts
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JohnMatrix
France1357 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:37 Tidus Mino wrote: Yeah I think Tails will win 4-2, Stephano is really good in major LAN's, but I don't think he's crazy good in showmatches and normal tournaments wow you just won the prize of the biggest troll of this thread man ^^ you should check messages about how stephano was called a (only) good online player as nerchio before the ipl. what you said is a pure nonsense. | ||
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edwahn
New Zealand121 Posts
I hope some LRs because I won't be able to watch!!! | ||
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On November 07 2011 05:08 edwahn wrote: Loving the fanboy vs antifanboy :D Almost as good as the match that will ensue. I hope some LRs because I won't be able to watch!!! On November 07 2011 04:22 redloser wrote: would there be VOD's? Vods and replays will be available after the tournament both here and on the thread and in the videos section of our twitch.tv/playhemtv channel. | ||
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Thurken
961 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:17 zerker2strong wrote: with the zvp from stephano i dont see tails having a chance tbh but it wil be fun games ZvP is actually Stephano's worst matchup. (even if he doesn't have a matchup way under the others) And it is not some fake worst matchup to put pressure on the opponent. Watch his recent games if you don't believe me, the games are much closer when he is facing a protoss. | ||
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Poopi
France12803 Posts
Stephano in his worst match-up against a very good (and underrated) korean protoss player, it should be close. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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s1eger
United States126 Posts
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legaton
France1763 Posts
Stephano said several times his worst match-up is vZ, but actually, i think he's a very equilibrated player, without any evident weakness in any match-up. | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
Stephano 4 - 3 Tails If it's on EU/US Serv : Stephano 4-0 Tails | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
edit: Aww too late, even before the match started. :/ | ||
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On November 07 2011 06:11 Poopi wrote: against a very good (and underrated) korean protoss player, it should be close. TAiLS needs some more love in the poll, where are all the fans at?  | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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Elean
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neeb
United States367 Posts
On November 07 2011 06:41 Elean wrote: on which server is this played ? NA | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On November 07 2011 03:25 gds wrote: Lag isnt on both side? Can a player lag and his opponent not? (real question here, i'm not being ironic) Since Z is the least micro intensive race P the most and EU->NA has less lag than KR->Na . | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
On November 07 2011 06:49 Eppa! wrote: Since Z is the least micro intensive race P the most and EU->NA has less lag than KR->Na . woot? KR --> NA delay is higher then EU --> NA, so prolly small advantage for stephano. although Tails even plays the EU playham daylies, he might be used to it | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:00 ThisGS wrote: woot? KR --> NA delay is higher then EU --> NA, so prolly small advantage for stephano. although Tails even plays the EU playham daylies, he might be used to it Well, that's exactly what he said, isn't it?  | ||
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steisjo
Sweden81 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Derity
Germany2952 Posts
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edwahn
New Zealand121 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:10 Derity wrote: Stephano is streaming too. Going for DualView. 0.0 OMG so lucky | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38211 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:14 bkrow wrote: I love watching how after all these attacks Stephano maintains his supply lead; macroing well while still building a bank. Unfortunate amount of supply in corrupters It's alright, Stephano actually uses corruption properly so they're not as useless as some peoples corruptors xD ed: wait, I thought he had a greater spire up, guess not XD Nice play from Tails | ||
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
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HeavenS
Colombia2259 Posts
edit: nvm im dumb http://playhem.tv/ | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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knL
Germany400 Posts
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fafalecureuil
France69 Posts
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
at least something to harrass tails and not let him do whatever he wants | ||
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turnip
United States193 Posts
can't wait for next games! | ||
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godulous
United States337 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
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Logros
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
Even the DT's doing really nice harass/scouting. Edit: Clutch defense, perfect fungals. Stephano has the best broodlord timing in the world O_O TAILS DON'T ENGAGE INTO 15 BROODLORDS ON TOP OF SPINES FUUU | ||
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Devise
Canada1131 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:34 Jehct wrote: Stephano might be getting outclassed here O_O 25+ mutas for 14 probes isn't good and he's going into infestors as Tails goes Colossus. All going to come down to the push timing - if he gets in before broodlords there's no way Stephano can hold. Even the DT's doing really nice harass/scouting. Edit: Clutch defense, perfect fungals. Stephano has the best broodlord timing in the world O_O It's irrelevant whether the Mutas kill a ton of probes or not. All they need to do is contain, while Zerg expands and techs up. Infestor + BL is the godcomp. and is usually gg even against Terran, which is a lot better equipped for dealing with it (Vikings, Ghosts, Siege Tanks) at that. For toss, it's far more grim. | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
Why is Stephano pumping so much into air attacks? Don't broodlings get ground attack upgrades? | ||
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Devise
Canada1131 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:40 bkrow wrote: Pump 10 infestors - no problem for Stephano. Why is Stephano pumping so much into air attacks? Don't broodlings get ground attack upgrades? Well the initial attack is air damage, but the the broodlings are ground, I think he's atleast 2/2 for ground though. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38211 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:40 bkrow wrote: Pump 10 infestors - no problem for Stephano. Why is Stephano pumping so much into air attacks? Don't broodlings get ground attack upgrades? First broodlord attack is air, broodlings do ground. | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:40 bkrow wrote: Pump 10 infestors - no problem for Stephano. Why is Stephano pumping so much into air attacks? Don't broodlings get ground attack upgrades? the first attack is an air attack if I'm not mistaking | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:40 bkrow wrote: Pump 10 infestors - no problem for Stephano. Why is Stephano pumping so much into air attacks? Don't broodlings get ground attack upgrades? Broodlings yes, but Broodlords have attack damage in addition to that. | ||
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
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arfyron
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chestnutman
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:42 dangerjoe wrote: Tails need a mothership :D haha, thx for the flashback. ^^ | ||
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:43 arfyron wrote: What map is this? The Shattered Temple Thanks everyone for the BL clarification | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
Go Stephano!! | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
god, worst casters ever, srsly. €: gotta mute, that is disgusting User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Devise
Canada1131 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:44 ThisGS wrote: ye, defense upgrade rly help vs storm. god, worst casters ever, srsly. €: gotta mute, that is disgusting Ya you have said that many times all ready stfu and mute the stream and stop crying our dont watch | ||
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38211 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:45 StaplerPhone wrote: Just curious but how do you beat infestor broodlord as protoss? Besides kiwikaki mothership 20 voidrays | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:38 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: It's irrelevant whether the Mutas kill a ton of probes or not. All they need to do is contain, while Zerg expands and techs up. Infestor + BL is the godcomp. and is usually gg even against Terran, which is a lot better equipped for dealing with it (Vikings, Ghosts, Siege Tanks) at that. For toss, it's far more grim. You need a ton of infestors until your broodlords become near-unkillable. Stephano didn't have a ton of infestors for a long time there. That was just bad choices for engagements by Tails - he could have bypassed all the crawlers and ran straight into Stephano's main if he had wanted to. Die instantly to fungal + infested terrans. You really want HT/archon/colossus/stalker(/mothership) as well as a nice engagement. Honestly there isn't a good protoss counter to mass infestor with enough broodlords though =( | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:45 StaplerPhone wrote: Just curious but how do you beat infestor broodlord as protoss? Besides kiwikaki mothership you don't :0 | ||
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knL
Germany400 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:44 ThisGS wrote: ye, defense upgrade rly help vs storm. god, worst casters ever, srsly. €: gotta mute, that is disgusting Just turn on Stephano's FP view | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Vira
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:45 StaplerPhone wrote: Just curious but how do you beat infestor broodlord as protoss? Besides kiwikaki mothership Ye I dont think you can. Silly as it sounds I think the best answer is indeed archon toilet. | ||
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arfyron
518 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:47 Vira wrote: Sorry if the answers is already in this topic but this showmatch is live or they are casting replay? Live | ||
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m0ck
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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:47 Vira wrote: Sorry if the answers is already in this topic but this showmatch is live or they are casting replay? It's live. | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
not rly, infeostrs pwn voidrays. its gotta be a mix of blinkstalkers, voidrays, archons, colossi, a mothership and HTs for feedback. Archons are useful if you manage to vortex, they tank lots of damage and kill broodlings reasonably fast. colossi kill broodlings, hts feedback infestors. voidray and blinkstalkers to focus and finish the broodlords. mothership quite obvious. | ||
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:44 ThisGS wrote: ye, defense upgrade rly help vs storm. god, worst casters ever, srsly. €: gotta mute, that is disgusting The casters didn't even say that, why are you so insistent on bad mouthing the casters all game long? He said the +1 armor helped Stephano (in the last engagement - he didn't even have templars out then), not that it reduced storm. | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:45 Soleron wrote: Casters are good to listen to. ye, their voices are good. but their analytical skills are on the lower bronze scale | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:49 godulous wrote: The casters didn't even say that, why are you so insistent on bad mouthing the casters all game long? He said the +1 armor helped Stephano (in the last engagement - he didn't even have templars out then), not that it reduced storm. When he said it the last engagement was Stephano trying to push forward with broodlords and getting stormed. They were literally talking about how big the storms were then going "but the +1 armor helped the broodlords so much in that engagement!". There have definitely been a few grievous errors during the cast. | ||
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Denar
France1633 Posts
Anyway, I love it, they can keep on that way all night! | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:49 godulous wrote: The casters didn't even say that, why are you so insistent on bad mouthing the casters all game long? He said the +1 armor helped Stephano (in the last engagement - he didn't even have templars out then), not that it reduced storm. lol, they said it right when the first 2 storms on the bls got off "man the carapace helped so much there" (before the acutal engagement). its just 1 of 100 points i could tell ya, i do not understand how u can defend what these guys are saying. Any1 who has a bit of game-understanding can just facepalm acutally. but enough caster bashing, dont wanna get banned. Thats what mute was made for | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:53 Morrisson wrote: or you can use Stephano's PoV if you dont like the casters. And the music is good :D and you will benefit stephano financially through streaming income probably more than the prize money. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On November 07 2011 07:59 HolyArrow wrote: What server is this being played on? Browsed through topic, didn't see a definitive answer. Did you really browse? The playhem community manager already said. | ||
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
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WaSa
Sweden749 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
why is tails still going for colossi and not immortals+archons. He need something that can snipe Infestors without being useless vs. other things (ie. not HTs; and merging Archons won't do anything in the middle of a battle) and doesn't eat up all his gas. Also, NP can easily grab archons and immortals as he did in the earlier battle. He's going heavy Immortal / Archon now, but that makes things easier for Stephano, with NP. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:01 Jehct wrote: Did you really browse? The playhem community manager already said. Sorry, I'm a bit hungover so I'm not focusing very well >_< Thanks though. | ||
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figq
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TaKiTaKi
Germany58 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Canada48 Posts
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SolidZeal
United States393 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
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m0ck
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happyness
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fafalecureuil
France69 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:07 AndAgain wrote: Stephano really understands supply efficiency. He doesn't max out with shit and then gets rolled like other zergs. Did you watch game 1 ? | ||
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WaSa
Sweden749 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:06 PlasticMilk wrote: Stephano`s play style is just unorthodox so i think he`ll win 4:3 Infestor+broodlord in unorthodox yes. And no one has ever got ultras vs protoss before. | ||
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Insurrectionist
Norway141 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:04 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Wow, getting outmacro'd the whole game and still facerolling with ling/ultra/infestor. Sad is quite an understatement for the Zealot. It should be suicidal depressive. How did Stephano get outmacroed? He was behind on supply for a while yes, but by 11 minutes he was getting hive up, establishing a fourth base (which then went down afterwards, but still), almost done with +2/+2 while Tails was still working on +2/+0, had as many workers as Tails and still had enough spines to defend any attack into his natural Tails could mount with his build, and enough lings that he could have killed a ton of sentries if he'd attacked the retreating army of Tails. Seems to me like knowing how to push out a ton of tech/economy without losing to simple pressure, like ret often does, is great macro. | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
Actually no lol. | ||
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Hummingb1rd
United States97 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
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Morrisson
289 Posts
So much for those who say he is a one style play man | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:11 Agathon wrote: It's 2-1 for Stephano right? Correct | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38211 Posts
I was loving that opening from Tails...and then Stephano handled it perfectly (so far) | ||
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happyness
United States2400 Posts
But not good enough | ||
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Denar
France1633 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
He sits there and pretends he's going to die any moment, so the void ray goes: "alright, I will take damage from two queens, but at least I'm killing that previously weakened queen". *Transfuse* ... "FFFUUU" | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
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TaKiTaKi
Germany58 Posts
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38211 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:17 eYeball wrote: What build did Tails do the game he won? Was an exciting macro game, Tails held off wave after wave of roach/hydra/corruptor and managed to break Stephano before Stephano could get up to broodlords. | ||
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mYiKane
Canada1772 Posts
btw that hold was sooo great by stephano!! | ||
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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
Great showmatch ^^ | ||
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zerker2strong
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:17 eYeball wrote: He was just a step ahead of Stephano in the 1st game (very typical of Stephano to lose 1st games as a kind of a "survey" and then start winning). Crucial was that with colossi he forced a lot of corruptors, and knew it, so instead of making more colossi, suddenly he made a ton of immortals and they rolled the roaches, while aaaallllll the corruptors were just crying.What build did Tails do the game he won? | ||
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m0ck
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Herfelt
Denmark89 Posts
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knL
Germany400 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38211 Posts
so easily the best zerg outside of Korea. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:02 StaplerPhone wrote: Turtle up to hive-tech deathball is just as boring to watch as the P and T versions >.> and thats when Stephano goes for the roach bust he certainly can play every kind of strategy | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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Moralez
Portugal1857 Posts
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vilg
Denmark413 Posts
that last build was desperate. wp by the ling king | ||
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United Kingdom697 Posts
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Kahlgar
411 Posts
impressive nonetheless | ||
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United States15684 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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Sweden5595 Posts
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United States1157 Posts
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Netherlands942 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:26 Morrisson wrote: So stephano see the fast scout, knows the toss is FFE, takes the gold, scouts teh gates and anticipate the zealot push, so put downs the roach warren enf kill tails. Sick play. Not quite, he went for a 2-base roach bust and got lucky EDIT: But a great series non the less from stephano. GGs! | ||
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xi Tempest x
Scotland340 Posts
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
casters got better at the later stages, prolly because there wasnt too much to analyze^^ | ||
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Thurken
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zerker2strong
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Testuser
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Elean
689 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:26 Morrisson wrote: So stephano see the fast scout, knows the toss is FFE, takes the gold, scouts teh gates and anticipate the zealot push, so put downs the roach warren end ends up killing colMVPtails. Sick play. No, I think Stephano was going for a roach ling as soon as he saw the FFE. Taking the gold was just a bait :D | ||
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zerker2strong
775 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:27 VoirDire wrote: Not quite, he went for a 2-base roach bust and got lucky EDIT: But a great series non the less from stephano. GGs! lol anyways tails looked so sad with his 5 zealots | ||
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Ruscour
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
So many different builds from Stephano is like he just make shit up. Ultralisk in a ZvP sure here you go.. What this beast of a zerg will become when he goes to Korea and get better training. | ||
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Morrisson
289 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:27 VoirDire wrote: Not quite, he went for a 2-base roach bust and got lucky EDIT: But a great series non the less from stephano. GGs! No his play was reactive imho. Seeing the FFE, he takes the gold. Tails spots it, wants to put pressure but fails it = > GG. I'm not sure at all he planned a 2base roach bust from the start.... And got lucky? He sure gets very, very lucky these times... | ||
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Dumdik
United States3 Posts
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:32 Dumdik wrote: Are vods going to get put up? http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/299357945 They'll also be on our youtube channel shortly http://youtube.com/playhemtv | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1357 Posts
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Robin_thewonder
154 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:27 ThisGS wrote: unexpected result! casters got better at the later stages, prolly because there wasnt too much to analyze^^ Hey, I was one of the casters. If you have points you would like to point out I'm always open to criticism and actually ask for it. Enlighten me on what I was wrong on and Ill make sure to correct it next time! On that note, hope you enjoyed the show match regardless, have a great day! Robin | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:31 Morrisson wrote: No his play was reactive imho. Seeing the FFE, he takes the gold. Tails spots it, wants to put pressure but fails it = > GG. I'm not sure at all he planned a 2base roach bust from the start.... And got lucky? He sure gets very, very lucky these times... He planned a roach bust from the start. It actually works out for both FE and 3 gate expand builds as it hits about the same time. He didn't take a 3rd and he didn't scout the front to make the toss feel safe and maybe build less cannons. It became obvious the second stephano didn't pull his drones of gas. On November 07 2011 08:33 ThisGS wrote: Its quite normal to build more units then usual while taking a gold expansion, since its harder to defend it and its saturated with less drones anyway. You are wrong, but I'm not going to argue any more in this thread. | ||
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dashmode
60 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:30 tskarzyn wrote: either stephano is imba or zerg is imba, which one? (leaning towards my beloved zerg....) zerg vs protoss? C'mon... overall its 56-44 in favor of zerg, in korea its even more broken (60-40)... so yeah, stephano is amazing zerg, very smart player, top foreign zerg (idra on par) but unless Bisu will switch to sc2 I don't see how this matchup will change soon. | ||
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Willzzz
United Kingdom774 Posts
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:40 Robin_thewonder wrote: Hey, I was one of the casters. If you have points you would like to point out I'm always open to criticism and actually ask for it. Enlighten me on what I was wrong on and Ill make sure to correct it next time! On that note, hope you enjoyed the show match regardless, have a great day! Robin Are you that dark hair guy at last MLG who casted on beta streams? If so you're such a nice caster man, i hope to see you in next big events | ||
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Robin_thewonder
154 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:45 gds wrote: Are you that dark hair guy at last MLG who casted on beta streams? If so you're such a nice caster man, i hope to see you in next big events That is me! Got invited back to Providence. Don't know how but I'm excited to go again. Thanks for the compliment. If your there make sure to come say hi! Glad Stephano won. I love Tails but I'm such a Zerg fan I cant help it. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44271 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:38 JohnMatrix wrote: I dont know what stephano must do to shut the mouth of people who still trying to descredit him. really. he could really take a bo3 or even maybe a bo5 to mvp even it would be close ofc. It's probably posts like yours that make people want to say things like that. Stephano rolled Tails, but there's no way Stephano would beat MVP. Tails isn't even close to the caliber of MVP, and no one (not even Nestea, who's lightyears ahead of Stephano as a Zerg player) is close to the caliber of MVP (except for the occasional MMA battle, but even he can't be considered #1 in the world). Congratulations to Stephano; I hope he keeps kicking ass! | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:38 JohnMatrix wrote: I dont know what stephano must do to shut the mouth of people who still trying to descredit him. really. he could really take a bo3 or even maybe a bo5 to mvp even it would be close ofc. dude, wat. Fan statements like them are what makes people discredit him. He's beaten a few Koreans and MKP and the rest are online victories (with lag might I add). Suggesting he could beat MVP is a really silly statement to make. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's probably posts like yours that make people want to say things like that. Stephano rolled Tails, but there's no way Stephano would beat MVP. Tails isn't even close to the caliber of MVP, and no one (not even Nestea, who's lightyears ahead of Stephano as a Zerg player) is close to the caliber of MVP (except for the occasional MMA battle, but even he can't be considered #1 in the world). Congratulations to Stephano; I hope he keeps kicking ass! Well we gonna find out soon enough. Blizzard cup in December cant wait | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's probably posts like yours that make people want to say things like that. Stephano rolled Tails, but there's no way Stephano would beat MVP. Tails isn't even close to the caliber of MVP, and no one (not even Nestea, who's lightyears ahead of Stephano as a Zerg player) is close to the caliber of MVP (except for the occasional MMA battle, but even he can't be considered #1 in the world). Congratulations to Stephano; I hope he keeps kicking ass! You realize MVP was very lucky not to lose to the relatively unknown zerg player annyong earlier today? You're starstruck! | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1357 Posts
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j0ker
275 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:38 JohnMatrix wrote: I dont know what stephano must do to shut the mouth of people who still trying to descredit him. really. he could really take a bo3 or even maybe a bo5 to mvp even it would be close ofc. you wonder why people try to discredit him then proceed to make an absurd statement that has no objective foundation. there is absolutely no evidence that lends any insight on how a stephano mvp match would go. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:51 Denzil wrote: dude, wat. Fan statements like them are what makes people discredit him. He's beaten a few Koreans and MKP and the rest are online victories (with lag might I add). Suggesting he could beat MVP is a really silly statement to make. Suggesting he couldn't is silly too. We just don't know. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It's probably posts like yours that make people want to say things like that. Stephano rolled Tails, but there's no way Stephano would beat MVP. Tails isn't even close to the caliber of MVP, and no one (not even Nestea, who's lightyears ahead of Stephano as a Zerg player) is close to the caliber of MVP (except for the occasional MMA battle, but even he can't be considered #1 in the world). Congratulations to Stephano; I hope he keeps kicking ass! Why "no way" ? We just don't know. And NesTea isn't as solid as you think. He's the best with preparation, but seems shaky when he didn't really prepare. Tails is not even the same race as MVP, so to the both of you, just don't compare. We shall see, if and when they meet. | ||
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:55 JohnMatrix wrote: I mean he probably could win i didnt tell he can, even Idra could win vs MVP for sure in a bo3. Just stop talking. Think before you speak. | ||
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cheggelund
Norway131 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:35 godulous wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/299357945 They'll also be on our youtube channel shortly http://youtube.com/playhemtv Crap, missed this match altogether. TY for the replay link! NJ Stephano! | ||
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Zeborg
107 Posts
SC2 is a game where any top player can take out any other top player. Upsets do happen. Even in other sports, when Team A is favored against Team B, true fans of Team B will believe that their team will win. Don't try to silence people who don't have the same opinion as you. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
I have nothing against him but fanboyism is really, really, really annoying. People trying to "discredit" him are actually trying to bring you fanboys down to ground. I said the same thing before MLG Orlando. I predicted that he would not get to top8 and people said I was stupid. Stephano has got insane talent and is probably the top2 best foreigners atm, but unless he trains 8 hours a day like most Koreans do he would meet a skill cap. I would rate him as mid-high code A level at the moment. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:17 chosenkerrigan wrote: I love how Stephano fanboys begin to imagine him beating MVP in BO5 after he wins a showmatch against tails.. I have nothing against him but fanboyism is really, really, really annoying. Tails is not the best Protoss alive, but he could beat Nestea and Mvp when it most mattered (being 3-4 behind in sets against IM). | ||
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thane
United States407 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:17 chosenkerrigan wrote: I love how Stephano fanboys begin to imagine him beating MVP in BO5 after he wins a showmatch against tails.. I have nothing against him but fanboyism is really, really, really annoying. Of any Zerg player outside Korea Stephano and Idra have amazing mechanics. Different styles but amazing mechanics all the same. Point is if any Zerg outside Korea is beating MVP or any other top Korean these to have the highest chance. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:22 Djagulingu wrote: Tails is not the best Protoss alive, but he could beat Nestea and Mvp when it most mattered (being 3-4 behind in sets against IM). That was impressive by Tails, but beating MVP in a BO5 when it mattered is a whole different story and the chances are slim to none. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:26 chosenkerrigan wrote: That was impressive by Tails, but beating MVP in a BO5 when it mattered is a whole different story and the chances are slim to none. But if there is a foreigner who could do this, it's either Huk or Stephano. | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:28 Djagulingu wrote: But if there is a foreigner who could do this, it's either Huk or Stephano. I think you forgot how utterly crushed Huk was against Mvp I think 2 or 3 GSLs ago | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:28 Djagulingu wrote: But if there is a foreigner who could do this, it's either Huk or Stephano. I'd say Huk has a better chance than Stephano considering Huk's pvt is strong while MVP's TvP is his worst matchup. That said, I still cannot imagine Huk beat MVP in BO5 any day. But you got a point, these two might have the best chances. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:32 chosenkerrigan wrote: I'd say Huk has a better chance than Stephano considering Huk's pvt is strong while MVP's TvP is his worst matchup. That said, I still cannot imagine Huk beat MVP in BO5 any day. But you got a point, these two might have the best chances. Well, I wouldn't throw out any P's chances against MVP, but Huk is recently 0-5 against him... | ||
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CEPEHDREI
Germany1521 Posts
On November 07 2011 08:52 m0ck wrote: You realize MVP was very lucky not to lose to the relatively unknown zerg player annyong earlier today? You're starstruck! and stephano lost to BoxeR. Now what? | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:26 chosenkerrigan wrote: That was impressive by Tails, but beating MVP in a BO5 when it mattered is a whole different story and the chances are slim to none. I dont say you're wrong. I just want to know what makes you think like that? Why? How can you imagine the result of a match between two different players, who never played together, and never met opponent with the same style, and never played with the same preparation and playing condition? Why a "Slim chance"? Why not "No chance", or "50/50", or every thing else? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44271 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:17 Zeborg wrote: SC2 is a game where any top player can take out any other top player. Upsets do happen. Even in other sports, when Team A is favored against Team B, true fans of Team B will believe that their team will win. Don't try to silence people who don't have the same opinion as you. Now Stephano is a top player? Jesus. Stephano is a top foreigner, sure. I think a few people forgot that he hasn't exactly played GSL yet. You kinda need to think about all the Koreans. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15684 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:38 Agathon wrote: I dont say you're wrong. I just want to know what makes you think like that? Why? How can you imagine the result of a match between two different players, who never played together, and never met opponent with the same style, and never played with the same preparation and playing condition? Why a "Slim chance"? Why not "No chance", or "50/50", or every thing else? Because everything anyone will ever say in these situations comes from a gut instinct rarely grounded in facts or statistics. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:38 Agathon wrote: I dont say you're wrong. I just want to know what makes you think like that? Why? How can you imagine the result of a match between two different players, who never played together, and never met opponent with the same style, and never played with the same preparation and playing condition? Why a "Slim chance"? Why not "No chance", or "50/50", or every thing else? I agree that SC2 is still kinda volatile comparing to BW so we cannot really predict the result of a game very well. However, we do have a few players showing consistent great results while competing against the best of the best for months. Players like MVP, Nestea showed significantly better results than their peers for MONTHS. They displayed better results for a longer time, against stronger players. I really don't see how Stephano would have a split chance against the best TvZer in the world considering Stephano lost to Boxer and theStC (yeah I know he beat mkp at eswc). However, I would not say there's NO chance at all because anything can happen. It's a pure philosophical question.. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:38 Agathon wrote: I dont say you're wrong. I just want to know what makes you think like that? Why? How can you imagine the result of a match between two different players, who never played together, and never met opponent with the same style, and never played with the same preparation and playing condition? Why a "Slim chance"? Why not "No chance", or "50/50", or every thing else? Everything you said applies just as well to say CombatEX vs MVP or your average silver league vs MVP for that matter if you think CombatEX has a chance. Could CombatEX win against vs MVP (HINT: No)? We extrapolate from observing their play and accomplishments. | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1357 Posts
On November 07 2011 09:49 rasnj wrote: Everything you said applies just as well to say CombatEX vs MVP or your average silver league vs MVP for that matter if you think CombatEX has a chance. Could CombatEX win against vs MVP (HINT: No)? We extrapolate from observing their play and accomplishments. well Gatored 3-0 Ogstop and 2-1 DRG at iem ny so its always possible. (jk^^) | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
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cold-
Canada209 Posts
if he goes to korea, he will dominate. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:25 cold- wrote: stephano is code s material, he has proven it plenty of times by beating mkp, mma, stc and other top koreans and litteraly every foreigner except idra (i havent seen them play yet). if he goes to korea, he will dominate. I'm not sure, but i think Idra and Stephano never played together in a tourney, or even in a showmatch. I hope the first time will come soon | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:25 cold- wrote: stephano is code s material, he has proven it plenty of times by beating mkp, mma, stc and other top koreans and litteraly every foreigner except idra (i havent seen them play yet). if he goes to korea, he will dominate. Dominate....first round of code A??? Please we need to wait and see. I love Stephano, he's unstoppable right now in foreigners scene but when it come down to serious business. I don't think he has a slightest chance against any SlayerS terran or just normal code A players. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:25 cold- wrote: stephano is code s material, he has proven it plenty of times by beating mkp, mma, stc and other top koreans and litteraly every foreigner except idra (i havent seen them play yet). if he goes to korea, he will dominate. Yeah just like how he dominated MLG orlando. | ||
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Zeborg
107 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:43 chosenkerrigan wrote: Yeah just like how he dominated MLG orlando. That's like calling Idra a good player because he dominated ESWC. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
Wanna see how his genius compares against the koreans. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:46 Zeborg wrote: That's like calling Idra a good player because he dominated ESWC. What I'm saying is I hate people over-exaggerate how good Stephano is when he has never fucking been to GSL. | ||
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Zeborg
107 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:49 chosenkerrigan wrote: What I'm saying is I hate people over-exaggerate how good Stephano is when he has never fucking been to GSL. Then just say that directly...? | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
Me and a few other people in the above posts have already stated it as clearly as possible. It's just the fanboys can never get it. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
)Edit: Thankyou StarVe | ||
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Zeborg
107 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:52 chosenkerrigan wrote: Me and a few other people in the above posts have already stated it as clearly as possible. It's just the fanboys can never get it. Fanboys (especially fanboys of top foreigners such as idra and stephano) tend to be overenthusiastic. It is what it is. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:55 McFeser wrote: What were the results? (FYI Stephano is a good player )+ Show Spoiler + Stephano 4-1 Tails | ||
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m0ck
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:49 chosenkerrigan wrote: What I'm saying is I hate people over-exaggerate how good Stephano is when he has never fucking been to GSL. I dont like guys who exaggerate his level too, 100% agree. But i dont like when people minimize his performance ("No real good koreans at IPL, lucky bracket", "ESWC lineup was a joke and MKP was cold", "Lol ! Online dont means anything, lags, 7:00 in the morning in Korea, he's just lucky"). He didn't go in Korea yet, it's true. He doesn't play 10h per a day, true. He beats MKP offline, true. He won IPL3, beating many korean players, true. Can he beat the best of korean players, his fanboys can't say "Yes absolutly", but you can't say "No, not a chance". | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
On November 07 2011 10:33 tuho12345 wrote: Dominate....first round of code A??? Please we need to wait and see. I love Stephano, he's unstoppable right now in foreigners scene but when it come down to serious business. I don't think he has a slightest chance against any SlayerS terran or just normal code A players. i dunno about that, i see him beating ryung and possibly ganzi pretty easily... I still will say that a korean terran will be his weakness, but it wont be from just anybody.. Terrans that could hand his ass to him unquestionably are IMHAPPY/MVP/SC/MMA. In mlg he lost to boxer and thestc, but i wont really count those terrans because he did own them at IPL and i dont think he was playing in his right mind at mlg, he always said he does not practice much not because hes lazy but because he gets tired fast and mlg is a stamina tournament especially from open bracket. ( against zerg probably only losira/nestea/DRG stand a chance against him and against protoss no korean toss can beat him i assure you of that) | ||
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arfyron
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 07 2011 11:09 jinixxx123 wrote: i dunno about that, i see him beating ryung and possibly ganzi pretty easily... I still will say that a korean terran will be his weakness, but it wont be from just anybody.. Terrans that could hand his ass to him unquestionably are IMHAPPY/MVP/SC/MMA. In mlg he lost to boxer and thestc, but i wont really count those terrans because he did own them at IPL and i dont think he was playing in his right mind at mlg, he always said he does not practice much not because hes lazy but because he gets tired fast and mlg is a stamina tournament especially from open bracket. ( against zerg probably only losira/nestea/DRG stand a chance against him and against protoss no korean toss can beat him i assure you of that) Beating Ryung and Ganzi pretty easily? I'd say he has a chance but it's definitely a chance below 50%. And no toss can beat him? What about puzzle, sage, and probably MC who did beat him? So when he loses he just doesn't play in his right mind? What the hell is this? When he wins you guys say he's gonna dominate GSL if he goes there and when he loses to boxer and theStC it's just he threw it away? Yeah I get it, your hero can never lose, because when he loses he doesn't play "in his right mind". | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On November 07 2011 11:05 m0ck wrote: Well, he did beat a winner of the most recent GSL. And a former runner-up. As he isn't living in Korea, what more do you want? He can only beat the players he is matched against.. I'd like it if his fans were more realistic, and looked at his results objectively. It isn't like he is crushing every Korean he comes across, or even only losing to MVP/Nestea/etc-level players. I think he's one of the best foreigners right now. (Idra, Huk, and others also compete.) His recent record seems to indicate that he can compete at about par with decent Code S players. (In his most recent games on TLPD, he 2-0'ed MKP (Code S), 1-2'ed Boxer (barely Code A), 0-2'ed TheSTC (Code A), 4-0'ed Lucky (Code A), and 3-1'ed TheSTC (Code A). From that, he seems like perhaps a mid-level Code S player. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On November 07 2011 11:35 Trsjnica wrote: I'd like it if his fans were more realistic, and looked at his results objectively. It isn't like he is crushing every Korean he comes across, or even only losing to MVP/Nestea/etc-level players. I think he's one of the best foreigners right now. (Idra, Huk, and others also compete.) His recent record seems to indicate that he can compete at about par with decent Code S players. (In his most recent games on TLPD, he 2-0'ed MKP (Code S), 1-2'ed Boxer (barely Code A), 0-2'ed TheSTC (Code A), 4-0'ed Lucky (Code A), and 3-1'ed TheSTC (Code A). From that, he seems like perhaps a mid-level Code S player. Also 2-0'ed HuK (Code S) and lost to Alive (code S) 2-0. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Didie
Armenia8 Posts
he's top 10 in the world easy right now but i'm worried about players like flash jaedong sc 1 arriving :/ | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1357 Posts
On November 07 2011 12:52 Didie wrote: Stephano never went to Korea , only training on EU ladder and look at his level... seriously this guy is a genius he could easily reach ro4 gsl code S and even win it when he'll go in korea and train for a month. he's top 10 in the world easy right now but i'm worried about players like flash jaedong sc 1 arriving :/ top 10 in the world "easy" ? I hope you kidding... as he didnt perform in a gsl format with all what it matters (preparation, study of his opponent, etc.) you cant says that.. but he's a code s material ( top tier code a and low/mid code s players are on the same level, even slayers yugioh who is not the best zerg managed to be code s for a while) with no doubt. | ||
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Milvus
Switzerland400 Posts
Great play by Stephano! Thanks for the show matches playhem! | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
stephano will not make a good GSL run for a long time. the reasoning is simple: in code A, you have up to a week to prepare for an opponent. stephano himself admits he doesnt practice nearly as much as other pros. therefore, they have the edge in preparation, build orders, and knowing stephano's weaknesses. while stephano is very very good, he has a distinctive style, and if you give a korean team a few days, they can and will dissect it, break it down, and find every possible hole. | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
On November 07 2011 11:58 StarVe wrote: Also 2-0'ed HuK (Code S) and lost to Alive (code S) 2-0. Also 2-0'ed Boxer at IPL | ||
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KIKIZerg
26 Posts
On November 07 2011 16:27 courtpanda wrote: IMO: stephano will not make a good GSL run for a long time. the reasoning is simple: in code A, you have up to a week to prepare for an opponent. stephano himself admits he doesnt practice nearly as much as other pros. therefore, they have the edge in preparation, build orders, and knowing stephano's weaknesses. while stephano is very very good, he has a distinctive style, and if you give a korean team a few days, they can and will dissect it, break it down, and find every possible hole. and stephano cant change? he's got a huge arsenal of builds... but ok... we will see. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Poilon
France139 Posts
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On November 07 2011 18:29 MooMooMugi wrote: Did Stephano win this showmatch? If so what was the score? 4-1 for Stephano. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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TaKiTaKi
Germany58 Posts
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
Facts : Stephano crushes code A players like a high code S would (ask Violet, Inori, lucky, TaiLS, anypro, revival...) Facts : Stephano can beat "koreans", even code S ones (Ask MMA & puzzle (IPL3 qualifiers), MKP, HuK, ...) Facts : Stephano has displayed a large variety of strategies in pretty much all his matchups, and he has proven to be able to adapt very well to his opponents. Facts : Stephano has shown some weaknesses against high lvl korean terrans, even if says it is / was his best match-up, although he rapes average ones. Facts : Stephano has taken maps from pretty much all koreans he faced since he went pro. Facts : Stephano has never faced those SC2 legends haters say he can't compete against (MvP, Nestea, ..) Conclusion : noone knows what the result of such a match would be. Even if he would not be the favorite, he won't be rolled over and certainly can make those matches entertaining, and can even pretend to win. That will make the Blizzard cup interesting to watch, to say the least. And to those who say he doesn't practice as much as other pros, well, maybe he doesn't play as much, but he certainly thinks about the game and his strategies at least as much, if not more. What I think of Stephano : imho he is the best foreigner atm. Strong in all his matchups, and very rarely loses against a supposely really weaker opponent (as opposed to, let's say, Idra :p) : his play is very safe and well thought, he is the type of player that creates strategies, not apply the ones of others, and that makes him less predictable that many many pros. He has some weaknesses though, sometimes those strategies don't work very well, and he seems to lack some stamina in long run events (4 / 5 big BoX a day seems to be his limit). We don't know yet how he will do in an environment where you have days to prepare to your opponents (GSL type), but as he will go to Korea in december, we will see soon And to those who say he is not topX world wide : it is pretty much as meaningless as those who say he is topY world wide. Considering the volatility of the current SC2 scene(s), there is pretty much no point to build a global ranking. Only way to be credible would to name X players that would be favorite in a Bo5+ match against Stephano, and backup these names with previous results. And this, dear friends, would be hard to do to say the least | ||
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godulous
United States337 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:17 TaKiTaKi wrote: Can I download the replays/VODs somewhere? Really want to steal some of Stephanos plays On November 07 2011 08:35 godulous wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/playhemtv/b/299357945 They'll also be on our youtube channel shortly http://youtube.com/playhemtv | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
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1409 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:33 algue wrote: IMO Gsl isn't the best way to prouve your skill. It shows that you'r a very good player but it's not the best way ! ( Bo1 to qualifi , time to prepare some strategies instead of adapting your style during the game ... ) So all the top BW players weren't actually the best? OSL/MSL gave players much more time to prepare than the GSL. I guess Flash actually wasn't that good in practice. Oh wait. No. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44271 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:33 algue wrote: IMO Gsl isn't the best way to prouve your skill. It shows that you'r a very good player but it's not the best way ! ( Bo1 to qualifi , time to prepare some strategies instead of adapting your style during the game ... ) The most difficult and most prestigious tournament isn't the best way to prove your skill? What is, then? | ||
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ArnaudF
France993 Posts
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Thurken
961 Posts
On November 07 2011 20:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The most difficult and most prestigious tournament isn't the best way to prove your skill? What is, then? I think he meant that there are two type of tournament right now 1) Time to prepare your matchup. Your coach can help you elaborate strategies to counter your opponent. You have to execute them perfectly and adapt if your opponent does something you're not prepared for 2) Little to no time to prepare your matchup. Your coach will help you less significantly here. You can't prepare the perfect counter to your opponent strategy but you have to adapt very well and very quickly. 1) is prefered by korean audience i'd say but is not necessarily the best format. (i'm not taking sides here). | ||
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1409 Posts
On November 07 2011 20:25 Thurken wrote: I think he meant that there are two type of tournament right now 1) Time to prepare your matchup. Your coach can help you elaborate strategies to counter your opponent. You have to execute them perfectly and adapt if your opponent does something you're not prepared for 2) Little to no time to prepare your matchup. Your coach will help you less significantly here. You can't prepare the perfect counter to your opponent strategy but you have to adapt very well and very quickly. 1) is prefered by korean audience i'd say but is not necessarily the best format. (i'm not taking sides here). I know this is a bit silly to argue in the first place, but what's he's also saying, by proxy, is that all of the BW greats actually weren't "necessarily the best" either. Like I pointed to earlier, MSL/OSL gave the players MUCH more time to prepare than the GSL - sometimes twice or even three times as long, and there were plenty of round robin Bo1's up until the Ro8. Yes, MSL/OSL even had Bo1's in the Ro16. Yet, no one's brought up these kinds of arguments in BW for many many years. Why? Because it was also widely known that these guys dominated in practice and online like on ICCup as well. Flash, for example, was unbeatable in practice, and Bisu was dominant in ICCup. Thus, you can't just say: oh, these players get so much time to prepare, but if they don't, they might not necessarily beat XYZ. No, skill is skill. | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:29 Ylrahc wrote: Fanboys or haters, overstating since the dawn of (e)sports. Facts : Stephano crushes code A players like a high code S would (ask Violet, Inori, lucky, TaiLS, anypro, revival...) Facts : Stephano can beat "koreans", even code S ones (Ask MMA & puzzle (IPL3 qualifiers), MKP, HuK, ...) Facts : Stephano has displayed a large variety of strategies in pretty much all his matchups, and he has proven to be able to adapt very well to his opponents. Facts : Stephano has shown some weaknesses against high lvl korean terrans, even if says it is / was his best match-up, although he rapes average ones. Facts : Stephano has taken maps from pretty much all koreans he faced since he went pro. Facts : Stephano has never faced those SC2 legends haters say he can't compete against (MvP, Nestea, ..) Conclusion : noone knows what the result of such a match would be. Even if he would not be the favorite, he won't be rolled over and certainly can make those matches entertaining, and can even pretend to win. That will make the Blizzard cup interesting to watch, to say the least. And to those who say he doesn't practice as much as other pros, well, maybe he doesn't play as much, but he certainly thinks about the game and his strategies at least as much, if not more. What I think of Stephano : imho he is the best foreigner atm. Strong in all his matchups, and very rarely loses against a supposely really weaker opponent (as opposed to, let's say, Idra :p) : his play is very safe and well thought, he is the type of player that creates strategies, not apply the ones of others, and that makes him less predictable that many many pros. He has some weaknesses though, sometimes those strategies don't work very well, and he seems to lack some stamina in long run events (4 / 5 big BoX a day seems to be his limit). We don't know yet how he will do in an environment where you have days to prepare to your opponents (GSL type), but as he will go to Korea in december, we will see soon And to those who say he is not topX world wide : it is pretty much as meaningless as those who say he is topY world wide. Considering the volatility of the current SC2 scene(s), there is pretty much no point to build a global ranking. Only way to be credible would to name X players that would be favorite in a Bo5+ match against Stephano, and backup these names with previous results. And this, dear friends, would be hard to do to say the least Oh please you try to come off with a "realistic" view of Stephano but it's heavily coated with fanboyism. You conviently forget that STC and Boxer both won against Stephano in their 2nd showing, both Code A players. Alive, a low tier Code S terran decisively beat him too. Then you go on to say that a match between Stephano and someone like MVP can not be known but immediatly afterwards claim that MVP would not have an easy ride, suggesting that in fact you do "know" something about the result. Top X world wide implies inclusion of Koreans, and if you told everyone to create a "top 10 in the world" it would probably have almost all the same players, maybe even top 20(they'd probably also be all Koreans). You'd be highly delusional to think that Stephano is better than the high amount of very good Korean Terrans. The scene might be volatile but it's not anything like a sinus curve. This community has extremely short term memory and writes off every player that hasn't won a championship in the last month. You do not see the top tier Koreans or foreigners dropping sets like flies to every other player, please take into consideration that a 70% winrate is considering extremely good. You've probably already written me off as a "hater" but know that I think Stephano is a very good player,on par with Huk and Idra, but his fanboys overhype him to high heaven and aren't afraid to post it -.- | ||
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Farone
Netherlands1219 Posts
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Pippi
Sweden540 Posts
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Spuick
Norway357 Posts
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 08 2011 00:18 Zeroxk wrote: Oh please you try to come off with a "realistic" view of Stephano but it's heavily coated with fanboyism. You conviently forget that STC and Boxer both won against Stephano in their 2nd showing, both Code A players. Alive, a low tier Code S terran decisively beat him too. Then you go on to say that a match between Stephano and someone like MVP can not be known but immediatly afterwards claim that MVP would not have an easy ride, suggesting that in fact you do "know" something about the result. Top X world wide implies inclusion of Koreans, and if you told everyone to create a "top 10 in the world" it would probably have almost all the same players, maybe even top 20(they'd probably also be all Koreans). You'd be highly delusional to think that Stephano is better than the high amount of very good Korean Terrans. The scene might be volatile but it's not anything like a sinus curve. This community has extremely short term memory and writes off every player that hasn't won a championship in the last month. You do not see the top tier Koreans or foreigners dropping sets like flies to every other player, please take into consideration that a 70% winrate is considering extremely good. You've probably already written me off as a "hater" but know that I think Stephano is a very good player,on par with Huk and Idra, but his fanboys overhype him to high heaven and aren't afraid to post it -.- It's almost impossible to actually rank the top 20 players right now, but it's fucking safe to say stephano is not top 10...because TOP 10 would be something like this: MVP, Nestea, MMA, Bomber, Taeja, DRG, IMHappy, MarineKing, Polt, sC, LosirA...and I can also list a bunch of contenders like Jjakji, Curious, Gumiho, Puzzle, Puma, Ryung, Ganzi, Clide, aLive, MC, July, Sage, Leenock, Coca and even TheStC...and the list goes on and on. You would be delusional to think stephano can be rank in top 10...even the worst player I listed above(probably theStC?) might be better than him... Sometimes these fanboys just blindly forget how DEEP the water is in Korea. Again, I'm not a hater. I'm just a viewer who closely follow the scene and know what I'm saying. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On November 08 2011 00:51 chosenkerrigan wrote: It's almost impossible to actually rank the top 20 players right now, but it's fucking safe to say stephano is not top 10...because TOP 10 would be something like this: MVP, Nestea, MMA, Bomber, Taeja, DRG, IMHappy, MarineKing, Polt, sC, LosirA...and I can also list a bunch of contenders like Jjakji, Curious, Gumiho, Puzzle, Puma, Ryung, Ganzi, Clide, aLive, MC, July, Sage, Leenock, Coca and even TheStC...and the list goes on and on. You would be delusional to think stephano can be rank in top 10...even the worst player I listed above(probably theStC?) might be better than him... Sometimes these fanboys just blindly forget how DEEP the water is in Korea. Again, I'm not a hater. I'm just a viewer who closely follow the scene and know what I'm saying. If you list Coca, Leenock and Curious as contenders I don't see how Stephano is not a contender in your eyes. Yes, it's hard to judge his level, but we only really saw him lose during MLG Orlando against well prepared opponents during an exhausting run through the open bracket. There is nothing indicating that he is NOT a contender. | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
On November 08 2011 00:51 chosenkerrigan wrote: It's almost impossible to actually rank the top 20 players right now, but it's fucking safe to say stephano is not top 10...because TOP 10 would be something like this: MVP, Nestea, MMA, Bomber, Taeja, DRG, IMHappy, MarineKing, Polt, sC, LosirA...and I can also list a bunch of contenders like Jjakji, Curious, Gumiho, Puzzle, Puma, Ryung, Ganzi, Clide, aLive, MC, July, Sage, Leenock, Coca and even TheStC...and the list goes on and on. You would be delusional to think stephano can be rank in top 10...even the worst player I listed above(probably theStC?) might be better than him... Sometimes these fanboys just blindly forget how DEEP the water is in Korea. Again, I'm not a hater. I'm just a viewer who closely follow the scene and know what I'm saying. A lot of them havn't won a single major offline tournament such as IPL / MLG / ESWC / GSL / NASL ... | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 08 2011 01:25 McFeser wrote: ^ You do realize that some of the top players you mentioned aren't doing so hot right now? Bomber, Polt, Marineking? Both Polt and Marineking didn't make it out of their groups and and Bomber did horribly in the AoL and lost to IdrA recently. And IMHappy? Besides his one good run to the top 4 what else has he done? I believe someone who can get to TOP 4 code S has much more credibility than someone who won IPL3 and ESWC. Not saying it's not impressive, but the players in these tournaments are much weaker than average player skills in GSL code S, and I don't think any one could argue in this matter. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 08 2011 02:15 algue wrote: A lot of them havn't won a single major offline tournament such as IPL / MLG / ESWC / GSL / NASL ... Because not a lot of koreans have the chance to fly around the world like MC. And look at what MC has done in international tournaments you know what would happen if the players I listed above have equal chances to travel. | ||
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Ylrahc
France496 Posts
On November 08 2011 00:18 Zeroxk wrote: Oh please you try to come off with a "realistic" view of Stephano but it's heavily coated with fanboyism. You conviently forget that STC and Boxer both won against Stephano in their 2nd showing, both Code A players. Alive, a low tier Code S terran decisively beat him too. Actually I didn't, see my sentence on his weakness against top terrans.... Then you go on to say that a match between Stephano and someone like MVP can not be known but immediatly afterwards claim that MVP would not have an easy ride, suggesting that in fact you do "know" something about the result. Of course, if you start putting in my mouth words I haven't said, you get wrong conclusions. No, I don't know the result, I just expect the match to be very exciting to watch and the winner forced to pull off amazing play, which is exactly what not having an easy ride is... Top X world wide implies inclusion of Koreans, and if you told everyone to create a "top 10 in the world" it would probably have almost all the same players, maybe even top 20(they'd probably also be all Koreans). You'd be highly delusional to think that Stephano is better than the high amount of very good Korean Terrans. This is where we don't agree. He is overall 3 - 3 vs theSTC, 3 - 2 vs Boxer, 4 - 1 vs MKP, 1 - 4 vs aLive, 2 - 1 vs MMA...and these are facts. That is 13 - 11 vs some of the best terrans in the world. Saying he won those games because opponents weren't prepared or weren't focused or he lost those because he didn't play seriously / was tired is not part of the discussion, a game is a game, and those kind of players play most of the time to win, and all things balance themselves at the end. (see, trying to be objective here) The scene might be volatile but it's not anything like a sinus curve. This community has extremely short term memory and writes off every player that hasn't won a championship in the last month. You do not see the top tier Koreans or foreigners dropping sets like flies to every other player, please take into consideration that a 70% winrate is considering extremely good. We do agree there. So please take into consideration Stephano's records from last month, and come again and tell me he isn't part of this infamous top20. Obviously, he hasn't faced half of the earth, but that's still a good deal of koreans he beated, and only lost (twice) to terran ones. You've probably already written me off as a "hater" but know that I think Stephano is a very good player,on par with Huk and Idra, but his fanboys overhype him to high heaven and aren't afraid to post it -.- Spot on my friend. I don't overhype him to high even, I strongly doubt he would be able to take a GSL right now like some think, like any player he can be beaten, he has been and he will be, I just don't understand those who say he isn't atm one of the best players in the world. I check his records, I check his tournaments' cash win, and I don't understand those trying to diminish that | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 08 2011 01:48 Maenander wrote: If you list Coca, Leenock and Curious as contenders I don't see how Stephano is not a contender in your eyes. Yes, it's hard to judge his level, but we only really saw him lose during MLG Orlando against well prepared opponents during an exhausting run through the open bracket. There is nothing indicating that he is NOT a contender. If you really think about it, coca has top3 zvp in the world, and his zvz is strong and zvt is okay. Not fantastic, but it's good enough for him to survive in code S for a long time and defeat players like Puma convincingly at MLG and got 2nd in the end. What coca has done is at least equal to, if not better than, Stephano's win in IPL3 and ESWC considering coca has been facing stronger opponents all the time so it's naturally harder for him to actually win more prize. Leenock has been around code A for a long time and finally made to code S. I'd say he has better zvt than Stephano and a lot of you might agree. I can't really say much about zvp because in Korea it's terribly zerg favored and I would say Leenock is favored against most, if not all, of the protosses around. Curious had won code A, which consists of a player pool harder than any foreign tournament except MLG orlando. But since we have seen too few games from him so I cannot say much. It's more like a personal opinion when I listed him there. And are you really saying he lost to boxer and stc because they are well-prepared and they are not tired? TheStC had to fight through the open bracket as well so if you thought stephano was tired and unprepared, I can say the same thing for stc. The suspicious part of this is that Stephano beat both of them at IPL3 but lost to both of them at MLG orlando, so it's not very unreasonable to think that stephano is figured out to some extent (I'm not saying he is totally figured out ofc) by korean terrans, which makes me further question his true abilities against korean terrans. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On November 08 2011 02:45 chosenkerrigan wrote: And are you really saying he lost to boxer and stc because they are well-prepared and they are not tired? All them three had to fight through the open bracket so if you thought stephano was tired and unprepared, I can say the same thing for boxer and stc. Just for the record, Boxer was in Pool Play. | ||
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On November 08 2011 03:18 StarVe wrote: Just for the record, Boxer was in Pool Play. Thanks for pointing out that, but my main points still stand: you cannot attribute stephano's losses to exhaustation. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On November 08 2011 03:22 chosenkerrigan wrote: Thanks for pointing out that, but my main points still stand: you cannot attribute stephano's losses to exhaustation. I don't really like to 'defend' him all the time, because I don't see myself as totally biased, but why not? Boxer and STC have been used to playing Starcraft 10-14 hours a day for ages whereas Stephano only practiced for two hours a day a few months ago and says that now that he's gone full-time, he practices maybe 4-5 hours a day. He also said that his biggest weakness right now is the fact that he can't play more than 4-5 hours without playing significantly worse due to exhaustion of whatever kind. I'm more inclined to believe Stephano's statements that this is indeed the case, than believe statements from people like us who don't even know him personally. | ||
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Poopi
France12803 Posts
On November 08 2011 01:25 McFeser wrote: ^ You do realize that some of the top players you mentioned aren't doing so hot right now? Bomber, Polt, Marineking? Both Polt and Marineking didn't make it out of their groups and and Bomber did horribly in the AoL and lost to IdrA recently. And IMHappy? Besides his one good run to the top 4 what else has he done? LOL. You really do think that going past bo1 groupstage means that you are doing good? | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On November 08 2011 03:52 Poopi wrote: LOL. You really do think that going past bo1 groupstage means that you are doing good? Um Yes Players doing well in tournaments is a good indication that they are doing well | ||
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jere___
France1 Post
That's not really good yet but fortunately he's still progressing very fast. source http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=228601¤tpage=85 original http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/actualites/sc2-quand-boxer-parle-de-stephano-slayers-boxer-dans-les-studios-de-gom-tv-54496 | ||
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xi Tempest x
Scotland340 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On November 08 2011 02:32 chosenkerrigan wrote: Because not a lot of koreans have the chance to fly around the world like MC. And look at what MC has done in international tournaments you know what would happen if the players I listed above have equal chances to travel. uh? http://ipl3.playhem.com/#!/sc2/finals KR : 14 Alive Ryung Boxer Lucky Puma HerO MMA Sleep TheStc Select Artist Violet Inori MC Europe : 8 Haypro Ret Demuslim Socke Whiete-Ra Thorzain Strelok Stephano America : 8 Slush Sheth Minigun Catz Machine Spanishiwa Idra Kiwikaki Should i get the details of MLG orlando? or it's ok? | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
You can't call top 10 players, so just don't. You don't know if stephano is a top 10 player because he hasn't played everybody and his stretch of being really good hasn't lasted long enough. You don't become top 10 for beating a few Koreans. Yet he beat Koreans so he can compete. All we can say is Stephano is a really good player and could compete in all tournaments. He would also have a reasonable chance at winning these tournaments. Did he? Not yet, so you can't rank him. Even if he did win Code S you could call it skill with a lot of luck. Enough of this top 10 bullshit. Stephano is really fucking good and could compete with Koreans. You can't even rank the Korean top 10 other than Nestea, MMA and MVP being somewhere in there based on consistency. That's basically the only thing you say without being stupidly biased. So just stop. | ||
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Betsfrox
Venezuela248 Posts
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
On November 09 2011 01:17 Steel wrote: It's funny that people try to rate top 10s and list people like Taeja the he loses (badly) to Oz. Is Oz top 10 now? Of course he beat Taeja. You can't call top 10 players, so just don't. You don't know if stephano is a top 10 player because he hasn't played everybody and his stretch of being really good hasn't lasted long enough. You don't become top 10 for beating a few Koreans. Yet he beat Koreans so he can compete. All we can say is Stephano is a really good player and could compete in all tournaments. He would also have a reasonable chance at winning these tournaments. Did he? Not yet, so you can't rank him. Even if he did win Code S you could call it skill with a lot of luck. Enough of this top 10 bullshit. Stephano is really fucking good and could compete with Koreans. You can't even rank the Korean top 10 other than Nestea, MMA and MVP being somewhere in there based on consistency. That's basically the only thing you say without being stupidly biased. So just stop. On November 09 2011 01:44 Betsfrox wrote: are replays gonna be released? Finally two good posts. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On November 09 2011 01:17 Steel wrote: It's funny that people try to rate top 10s and list people like Taeja the he loses (badly) to Oz. Is Oz top 10 now? Of course he beat Taeja. You can't call top 10 players, so just don't. You don't know if stephano is a top 10 player because he hasn't played everybody and his stretch of being really good hasn't lasted long enough. You don't become top 10 for beating a few Koreans. Yet he beat Koreans so he can compete. All we can say is Stephano is a really good player and could compete in all tournaments. He would also have a reasonable chance at winning these tournaments. Did he? Not yet, so you can't rank him. Even if he did win Code S you could call it skill with a lot of luck. Enough of this top 10 bullshit. Stephano is really fucking good and could compete with Koreans. You can't even rank the Korean top 10 other than Nestea, MMA and MVP being somewhere in there based on consistency. That's basically the only thing you say without being stupidly biased. So just stop. Nobody should rank until more leagues with a format like "MSL", "OSL" and "GSL" come out where people have time to prepare for their opponent. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
I'm personally not reading much into anyone's success this early in SC2's lifespan, I rate players just by how good their mechanics and multitasking are, and how fast they're improving, because eventually that's what's going to pay off big time in the long run. | ||
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
Just wait and see, he will go to korea soon, then we will know, but i have the conviction he's not another "top" foreign player who will fail in first round of code A. I mean he is on a complete other level. | ||
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Superrubim
United Kingdom10 Posts
Next Idra VS Stephano. Please. | ||
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xi Tempest x
Scotland340 Posts
On November 09 2011 03:23 Superrubim wrote: These showmatches are probably the best idea anyone has ever had. Next Idra VS Stephano. Please. I second this, hopefully would be really good and mabye shut a few people that are hating on one of them up, i don't really like idrA as a player, his style bores me, But when he plays his style to it's best, he is amazing... stephano on the other hand, when he is playing poorly, is still good to watch, but you see the flaws.. In a best of 5 i think stephano would probably win | ||
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